The Seven Levels of Aviation (not for the humor-impaired)

[C J Campbell]

The Seven Levels of Aviation (Satire) (and with apologies to Ken Rockwell,
the Seven Levels of Photographers)

Master: Level 7 (the highest level)

The Master has a Vision in a tangible form called Flying. He and the aircraft
are one. The Master is the aircraft and the aircraft is the Master. The
Master but thinks, and the aircraft responds.

The Master is a complete Master of his tools. He does not look for the pitot
heat switch; he knows where it is. His hand goes to it before the Master even
consciously thinks it.

Some Pilots think that one who can fly a tailwheel airplane, perform an
outside loop, or land on a gravel bar must be a Master. A Master may be able
to do those things, but they are a part of the Master. One who merely
executes the maneuvers competently is not a Master. A Pilot may be able to
survive an unexpected encounter with bad weather. The Master intuitively
avoids any weather he does not wish to fly in.

A Master may have many type certificates and have logged time in many
different aircraft. Or he may have flown only a single aircraft in his entire
life. It does not matter. The Master does not care what he flies. He cares
only that he flies. An old Master may no longer be able to fly, but he
remains a Master.

The Master does not fly to please others. He may dress strangely or fly a
filthy airplane. The Master probably subscribes to strange or oddball
political or religious philosophies.

Masters do not get along well with management. They show up at the airport
when they wish, fly where they want, teach whom they will, and return when it
suits them. Consequently Masters have a tough time making a living in
aviation. They have difficulty promoting themselves. Frequently the Master
will have a reputation as being rebellious or difficult. Because a Master
speaks his mind, he is often in trouble. However, merely boldly speaking
one's mind does not make one a Master. It is a characteristic also of
Measurebators. Those who achieve financial success almost always have dropped
down to Whore.

Examples of famous Masters are Charles Lindbergh, Jimmy Doolittle, or Bob
Hoover.

Whore: Level 6

The Whore is a pilot who sells his soul and his freedom for mere money or
other rewards. The Whore is not free to do as he pleases; he is not master of
himself, but of his employers. The Whore does not experiment. He follows the
rules of his employers. He goes to work because he needs the money, not
because he loves his job.

Whores are employed by pimps, who schedule their time and set the rules for
flying, and johns, who buy time in an airplane, go sightseeing, or take
instruction.

Many airline pilots and time-building flight instructors are Whores. The
mantra of the Whore is "Strike!"

Pilot: Level 5

The Pilot does not earn his living from flying, though he may occasionally be
paid for his services. He flies for the love of it. The Pilot has not
achieved the level of skill of the Master, but he flies for the same reasons.
Many Pilots are very good at what they do.

A Pilot who loses himself in the air, feeling the moment, is on the path to
Enlightenment.

The Pilot still views the aircraft as a tool, a means to an end, and not the
end in itself. He is not one with the aircraft.

Sunday Flyer: Level 4

The Sunday Flyer likes to get out once in awhile and fly. Sunday Flyers may
be seen at air shows, fly-ins, and pancake breakfasts. The Sunday Flyer may
fly quite well. Some of them are Masters and do not realize it.

Most Sunday Flyers fly simple, single engine airplanes.

The food of the Sunday Flyer is the $100 hamburger.

Throttle Jock: Level 3

The Throttle Jock likes to call himself a Professional. Many believe that
they are Masters. The Throttle Jock, like the Whore, earns his entire living
from aviation. Unlike the Whore, however, the Throttle Jock is usually poor.

The Throttle Jock does not fly for enjoyment. He flies for commerce. The
Throttle Jock usually knows his way around an airplane, but there is still
much that he does not understand. He will believe and spread many myths and
false information about flight.

The Throttle Jock spends much of his time complaining about how hard it is to
find jobs and how little they pay. He gripes about aviation rules, the
government, and everything else he can think of to blame for his problems.
The one person he never finds fault with is himself.

Rich Pilot: Level 2

There are pilots who, having too much money, buy all of the latest aircraft
and aviation gizmos. They are often professionals in other fields, such as
doctors and lawyers. Many are old and retired.

Rich Pilots fly Cirrus, Bonanzas, King Airs, Lancairs, Malibus, Eclipse jets,
and other airplanes that the rest of us wish we could afford. These are the
pilots who will buy a Mustang simply because it costs millions of dollars.
Other levels of pilots may also fly these aircraft, but Rich Pilots do it
simply because they are rich.

If a Rich Pilot flies well, he will believe it is because of the airplane
that he flies. If he does not, he will blame that also on the airplane.

Some Rich Pilots go on to become merely Pilots, because they have spent all
their money. Others become Masters. Still others sink to the level of
Measurebators.

Measurebators: Level 1 (You cannot get any lower than this.)

The Measurebator has no interest in aviation. What interests him is proving
his superiority over everyone else. He may have many certificates and ratings
and flown every type ever made, and he will never let you forget it. The
Measurebator never stops bragging about his ratings, the types of aircraft he
has flown, the dangers he has faced, or how good his flight simulator is. The
Measurebator is convinced that everyone else is an idiot.

If he somehow manages to acquire a student, he will constantly tell the
student that the Measurebator is one of the greatest pilots of all time, and
that other pilots are ignorant slobs. If the student does not quit, he will
become a Measurebator himself.

The key word is "Pride." The Measurebator must always be comparing himself
and everything else with everything else. All he is interested in is ranking.

The Measurebator is interested in equipment only for its own sake. He will
spend hours poring over engineering reports, looking over the tiniest flaws.
Although the Measurebator does not produce anything himself, he spends a
great deal of time criticizing those who do.

Measurebators may be trial lawyers, engineers, or video game players. Most of
them would rather read about flying than actually fly.

To the uninitiated, the Measurebator will seem a font of knowledge. But
beware. Their sick, lifeless souls want to drag you down to their personal
hells, where you will never again feel the freedom and beauty of flight.

The Measurebator is not interested in why you fly or where you fly. He is not
interested in improving your ability to fly. He is only interested in what
you fly and what your credentials are so he can criticize your inadequacies.
Beware.

One difference between a Master and a Measurebator is that the Master seeks
to build others up, while the Measurebator seeks to tear others down. If you
are concerned about your level of aviation, then you are a Measurebator.

[Jay B]

Attsa Keeper...!

Jay B
(Languishing in Daytona for four more days...)

[kontiki]

Now that's an excellent read CJ, thanks. I believe I am a Pilot level 5.

I'll have to work on "Master" :^)

[[email protected]]

Good one, sometimes humor turns out to be quite accurate. I am at
level 4, I wish I was one of those Masters who don't realize it, but I
am not :(

[Jim Logajan]

C J Campbell > wrote:
> The Seven Levels of Aviation (Satire) (and with apologies to Ken
> Rockwell, the Seven Levels of Photographers)
>
> Master: Level 7 (the highest level)
....

You missed one. Fortunately I've done a lot of programming in "C" where
array indices begin at zero so there is still a place for this level:

Not yet flying: Level 0 (the lowest level)

By the way, did you know that there are also Seven Levels of Baiting a
Fishing Line? The levels are:

Master: Level 7 (the highest level)

The Master Baiter has a vision, with one hand on ....

Er - nevermind!

[Dave[_5_]]

Well stated - and I am sure we all know pilots who fit the various
categories. No doubt some of us will inaccurately rank ourselves,
though. I suspect that you could change
the wording and adapt this to nearly any field of human endeavor. It
ts really about human nature rather than specific to aviation.

David Johnson

[[email protected]]

On Feb 15, 3:42 pm, C J Campbell
> wrote:
> The Seven Levels of Aviation (Satire) (and with apologies to Ken Rockwell,
> the Seven Levels of Photographers)
>
> Master: Level 7 (the highest level)
>
> The Master has a Vision in a tangible form called Flying. He and the aircraft
> are one. The Master is the aircraft and the aircraft is the Master. The
> Master but thinks, and the aircraft responds.
>
> The Master is a complete Master of his tools. He does not look for the pitot
> heat switch; he knows where it is. His hand goes to it before the Master even
> consciously thinks it.
>
> Some Pilots think that one who can fly a tailwheel airplane, perform an
> outside loop, or land on a gravel bar must be a Master. A Master may be able
> to do those things, but they are a part of the Master. One who merely
> executes the maneuvers competently is not a Master. A Pilot may be able to
> survive an unexpected encounter with bad weather. The Master intuitively
> avoids any weather he does not wish to fly in.
>
> A Master may have many type certificates and have logged time in many
> different aircraft. Or he may have flown only a single aircraft in his entire
> life. It does not matter. The Master does not care what he flies. He cares
> only that he flies. An old Master may no longer be able to fly, but he
> remains a Master.
>
> The Master does not fly to please others. He may dress strangely or fly a
> filthy airplane. The Master probably subscribes to strange or oddball
> political or religious philosophies.
>
> Masters do not get along well with management. They show up at the airport
> when they wish, fly where they want, teach whom they will, and return when it
> suits them. Consequently Masters have a tough time making a living in
> aviation. They have difficulty promoting themselves. Frequently the Master
> will have a reputation as being rebellious or difficult. Because a Master
> speaks his mind, he is often in trouble. However, merely boldly speaking
> one's mind does not make one a Master. It is a characteristic also of
> Measurebators. Those who achieve financial success almost always have dropped
> down to Whore.
>
> Examples of famous Masters are Charles Lindbergh, Jimmy Doolittle, or Bob
> Hoover.
>
> Whore: Level 6
>
> The Whore is a pilot who sells his soul and his freedom for mere money or
> other rewards. The Whore is not free to do as he pleases; he is not master of
> himself, but of his employers. The Whore does not experiment. He follows the
> rules of his employers. He goes to work because he needs the money, not
> because he loves his job.
>
> Whores are employed by pimps, who schedule their time and set the rules for
> flying, and johns, who buy time in an airplane, go sightseeing, or take
> instruction.
>
> Many airline pilots and time-building flight instructors are Whores. The
> mantra of the Whore is "Strike!"
>
> Pilot: Level 5
>
> The Pilot does not earn his living from flying, though he may occasionally be
> paid for his services. He flies for the love of it. The Pilot has not
> achieved the level of skill of the Master, but he flies for the same reasons.
> Many Pilots are very good at what they do.
>
> A Pilot who loses himself in the air, feeling the moment, is on the path to
> Enlightenment.
>
> The Pilot still views the aircraft as a tool, a means to an end, and not the
> end in itself. He is not one with the aircraft.
>
> Sunday Flyer: Level 4
>
> The Sunday Flyer likes to get out once in awhile and fly. Sunday Flyers may
> be seen at air shows, fly-ins, and pancake breakfasts. The Sunday Flyer may
> fly quite well. Some of them are Masters and do not realize it.
>
> Most Sunday Flyers fly simple, single engine airplanes.
>
> The food of the Sunday Flyer is the $100 hamburger.
>
> Throttle Jock: Level 3
>
> The Throttle Jock likes to call himself a Professional. Many believe that
> they are Masters. The Throttle Jock, like the Whore, earns his entire living
> from aviation. Unlike the Whore, however, the Throttle Jock is usually poor.
>
> The Throttle Jock does not fly for enjoyment. He flies for commerce. The
> Throttle Jock usually knows his way around an airplane, but there is still
> much that he does not understand. He will believe and spread many myths and
> false information about flight.
>
> The Throttle Jock spends much of his time complaining about how hard it is to
> find jobs and how little they pay. He gripes about aviation rules, the
> government, and everything else he can think of to blame for his problems.
> The one person he never finds fault with is himself.
>
> Rich Pilot: Level 2
>
> There are pilots who, having too much money, buy all of the latest aircraft
> and aviation gizmos. They are often professionals in other fields, such as
> doctors and lawyers. Many are old and retired.
>
> Rich Pilots fly Cirrus, Bonanzas, King Airs, Lancairs, Malibus, Eclipse jets,
> and other airplanes that the rest of us wish we could afford. These are the
> pilots who will buy a Mustang simply because it costs millions of dollars.
> Other levels of pilots may also fly these aircraft, but Rich Pilots do it
> simply because they are rich.
>
> If a Rich Pilot flies well, he will believe it is because of the airplane
> that he flies. If he does not, he will blame that also on the airplane.
>
> Some Rich Pilots go on to become merely Pilots, because they have spent all
> their money. Others become Masters. Still others sink to the level of
> Measurebators.
>
> Measurebators: Level 1 (You cannot get any lower than this.)
>
> The Measurebator has no interest in aviation. What interests him is proving
> his superiority over everyone else. He may have many certificates and ratings
> and flown every type ever made, and he will never let you forget it. The
> Measurebator never stops bragging about his ratings, the types of aircraft he
> has flown, the dangers he has faced, or how good his flight simulator is. The
> Measurebator is convinced that everyone else is an idiot.
>
> If he somehow manages to acquire a student, he will constantly tell the
> student that the Measurebator is one of the greatest pilots of all time, and
> that other pilots are ignorant slobs. If the student does not quit, he will
> become a Measurebator himself.
>
> The key word is "Pride." The Measurebator must always be comparing himself
> and everything else with everything else. All he is interested in is ranking.
>
> The Measurebator is interested in equipment only for its own sake. He will
> spend hours poring over engineering reports, looking over the tiniest flaws.
> Although the Measurebator does not produce anything himself, he spends a
> great deal of time criticizing those who do.
>
> Measurebators may be trial lawyers, engineers, or video game players. Most of
> them would rather read about flying than actually fly.
>
> To the uninitiated, the Measurebator will seem a font of knowledge. But
> beware. Their sick, lifeless souls want to drag you down to their personal
> hells, where you will never again feel the freedom and beauty of flight.
>
> The Measurebator is not interested in why you fly or where you fly. He is not
> interested in improving your ability to fly. He is only interested in what
> you fly and what your credentials are so he can criticize your inadequacies.
> Beware.
>
> One difference between a Master and a Measurebator is that the Master seeks
> to build others up, while the Measurebator seeks to tear others down. If you
> are concerned about your level of aviation, then you are a Measurebator.

I had the misfortune of working for a measurebator who was the V.P. of
engineering at an avionics company I worked for... your description
nails him right on the head. He is an ex-Navy F-18 pilot and former
patent attorney with an Aerospace degree. He was always bragging
about himself while tearing down and criticizing those who worked for
him to make them seem inadequate to his superiority.

All the other descriptions seem very apt and describe the various
types of pilots that I have encountered as well! I think that I fall
into the Sunday Flyer category myself...

[Jim Macklin]

As a Zen Master Aviator, I make the weather change to suit
me.



"C J Campbell" > wrote
in message
e.com...
| The Seven Levels of Aviation (Satire) (and with apologies
to Ken Rockwell,
| the Seven Levels of Photographers)
|
| Master: Level 7 (the highest level)
|
| The Master has a Vision in a tangible form called Flying.
He and the aircraft
| are one. The Master is the aircraft and the aircraft is
the Master. The
| Master but thinks, and the aircraft responds.
|
| The Master is a complete Master of his tools. He does not
look for the pitot
| heat switch; he knows where it is. His hand goes to it
before the Master even
| consciously thinks it.
|
| Some Pilots think that one who can fly a tailwheel
airplane, perform an
| outside loop, or land on a gravel bar must be a Master. A
Master may be able
| to do those things, but they are a part of the Master. One
who merely
| executes the maneuvers competently is not a Master. A
Pilot may be able to
| survive an unexpected encounter with bad weather. The
Master intuitively
| avoids any weather he does not wish to fly in.
|
| A Master may have many type certificates and have logged
time in many
| different aircraft. Or he may have flown only a single
aircraft in his entire
| life. It does not matter. The Master does not care what he
flies. He cares
| only that he flies. An old Master may no longer be able to
fly, but he
| remains a Master.
|
| The Master does not fly to please others. He may dress
strangely or fly a
| filthy airplane. The Master probably subscribes to strange
or oddball
| political or religious philosophies.
|
| Masters do not get along well with management. They show
up at the airport
| when they wish, fly where they want, teach whom they will,
and return when it
| suits them. Consequently Masters have a tough time making
a living in
| aviation. They have difficulty promoting themselves.
Frequently the Master
| will have a reputation as being rebellious or difficult.
Because a Master
| speaks his mind, he is often in trouble. However, merely
boldly speaking
| one's mind does not make one a Master. It is a
characteristic also of
| Measurebators. Those who achieve financial success almost
always have dropped
| down to Whore.
|
| Examples of famous Masters are Charles Lindbergh, Jimmy
Doolittle, or Bob
| Hoover.
|
| Whore: Level 6
|
| The Whore is a pilot who sells his soul and his freedom
for mere money or
| other rewards. The Whore is not free to do as he pleases;
he is not master of
| himself, but of his employers. The Whore does not
experiment. He follows the
| rules of his employers. He goes to work because he needs
the money, not
| because he loves his job.
|
| Whores are employed by pimps, who schedule their time and
set the rules for
| flying, and johns, who buy time in an airplane, go
sightseeing, or take
| instruction.
|
| Many airline pilots and time-building flight instructors
are Whores. The
| mantra of the Whore is "Strike!"
|
| Pilot: Level 5
|
| The Pilot does not earn his living from flying, though he
may occasionally be
| paid for his services. He flies for the love of it. The
Pilot has not
| achieved the level of skill of the Master, but he flies
for the same reasons.
| Many Pilots are very good at what they do.
|
| A Pilot who loses himself in the air, feeling the moment,
is on the path to
| Enlightenment.
|
| The Pilot still views the aircraft as a tool, a means to
an end, and not the
| end in itself. He is not one with the aircraft.
|
| Sunday Flyer: Level 4
|
| The Sunday Flyer likes to get out once in awhile and fly.
Sunday Flyers may
| be seen at air shows, fly-ins, and pancake breakfasts. The
Sunday Flyer may
| fly quite well. Some of them are Masters and do not
realize it.
|
| Most Sunday Flyers fly simple, single engine airplanes.
|
| The food of the Sunday Flyer is the $100 hamburger.
|
| Throttle Jock: Level 3
|
| The Throttle Jock likes to call himself a Professional.
Many believe that
| they are Masters. The Throttle Jock, like the Whore, earns
his entire living
| from aviation. Unlike the Whore, however, the Throttle
Jock is usually poor.
|
| The Throttle Jock does not fly for enjoyment. He flies for
commerce. The
| Throttle Jock usually knows his way around an airplane,
but there is still
| much that he does not understand. He will believe and
spread many myths and
| false information about flight.
|
| The Throttle Jock spends much of his time complaining
about how hard it is to
| find jobs and how little they pay. He gripes about
aviation rules, the
| government, and everything else he can think of to blame
for his problems.
| The one person he never finds fault with is himself.
|
| Rich Pilot: Level 2
|
| There are pilots who, having too much money, buy all of
the latest aircraft
| and aviation gizmos. They are often professionals in other
fields, such as
| doctors and lawyers. Many are old and retired.
|
| Rich Pilots fly Cirrus, Bonanzas, King Airs, Lancairs,
Malibus, Eclipse jets,
| and other airplanes that the rest of us wish we could
afford. These are the
| pilots who will buy a Mustang simply because it costs
millions of dollars.
| Other levels of pilots may also fly these aircraft, but
Rich Pilots do it
| simply because they are rich.
|
| If a Rich Pilot flies well, he will believe it is because
of the airplane
| that he flies. If he does not, he will blame that also on
the airplane.
|
| Some Rich Pilots go on to become merely Pilots, because
they have spent all
| their money. Others become Masters. Still others sink to
the level of
| Measurebators.
|
| Measurebators: Level 1 (You cannot get any lower than
this.)
|
| The Measurebator has no interest in aviation. What
interests him is proving
| his superiority over everyone else. He may have many
certificates and ratings
| and flown every type ever made, and he will never let you
forget it. The
| Measurebator never stops bragging about his ratings, the
types of aircraft he
| has flown, the dangers he has faced, or how good his
flight simulator is. The
| Measurebator is convinced that everyone else is an idiot.
|
| If he somehow manages to acquire a student, he will
constantly tell the
| student that the Measurebator is one of the greatest
pilots of all time, and
| that other pilots are ignorant slobs. If the student does
not quit, he will
| become a Measurebator himself.
|
| The key word is "Pride." The Measurebator must always be
comparing himself
| and everything else with everything else. All he is
interested in is ranking.
|
| The Measurebator is interested in equipment only for its
own sake. He will
| spend hours poring over engineering reports, looking over
the tiniest flaws.
| Although the Measurebator does not produce anything
himself, he spends a
| great deal of time criticizing those who do.
|
| Measurebators may be trial lawyers, engineers, or video
game players. Most of
| them would rather read about flying than actually fly.
|
| To the uninitiated, the Measurebator will seem a font of
knowledge. But
| beware. Their sick, lifeless souls want to drag you down
to their personal
| hells, where you will never again feel the freedom and
beauty of flight.
|
| The Measurebator is not interested in why you fly or where
you fly. He is not
| interested in improving your ability to fly. He is only
interested in what
| you fly and what your credentials are so he can criticize
your inadequacies.
| Beware.
|
| One difference between a Master and a Measurebator is that
the Master seeks
| to build others up, while the Measurebator seeks to tear
others down. If you
| are concerned about your level of aviation, then you are a
Measurebator.
|

[Matt Whiting]

C J Campbell wrote:

> The Seven Levels of Aviation (Satire) (and with apologies to Ken Rockwell,
> the Seven Levels of Photographers)

You have waaaay too much time on your hands.

Matt

[Al G[_1_]]

"Jim Macklin" > wrote in message
...
> As a Zen Master Aviator, I make the weather change to suit
> me.
>
And lately snow suits you. Why backwards do then not talk?

Al G

[Tony]

What about level 3.14159, for the pilot who flies in circles? Or
2.718, for natural pilots (I know many of you will get it), or even 1,
2, 3, 5, 7, 11, . . . (prime pilots, of course).

I'd better take my meds now.




On Feb 15, 6:25 pm, Jim Logajan > wrote:
> C J Campbell > wrote:> The Seven Levels of Aviation (Satire) (and with apologies to Ken
> > Rockwell, the Seven Levels of Photographers)
>
> > Master: Level 7 (the highest level)
>
> ...
>
> You missed one. Fortunately I've done a lot of programming in "C" where
> array indices begin at zero so there is still a place for this level:
>
> Not yet flying: Level 0 (the lowest level)
>
> By the way, did you know that there are also Seven Levels of Baiting a
> Fishing Line? The levels are:
>
> Master: Level 7 (the highest level)
>
> The Master Baiter has a vision, with one hand on ....
>
> Er - nevermind!

[Jose]

> What about level 3.14159, for the pilot who flies in circles? Or
> 2.718, for natural pilots (I know many of you will get it), or even 1,
> 2, 3, 5, 7, 11, . . . (prime pilots, of course).

For those who are also A&Ps, there is 0.57721...

Ok, I'll go back in my corner. :)

Jose
--
Humans are pack animals. Above all things, they have a deep need to
follow something, be it a leader, a creed, or a mob. Whosoever fully
understands this holds the world in his hands.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[Tony]

My previously mentioned meds are affecting my mind. What does Euler's
constant have to do with A&P's?

On Feb 15, 8:18 pm, Jose > wrote:
> > What about level 3.14159, for the pilot who flies in circles? Or
> > 2.718, for natural pilots (I know many of you will get it), or even 1,
> > 2, 3, 5, 7, 11, . . . (prime pilots, of course).
>
> For those who are also A&Ps, there is 0.57721...
>
> Ok, I'll go back in my corner. :)
>
> Jose
> --
> Humans are pack animals. Above all things, they have a deep need to
> follow something, be it a leader, a creed, or a mob. Whosoever fully
> understands this holds the world in his hands.
> for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[Little Endian]

> > What about level 3.14159, for the pilot who flies in circles? Or

That's an irrational pilot too. And if you ever studied Algebraic
Number Theory this pilot is also a transcedental pilot ;)

[Tony]

I overlooked those observations. Your irrational label works for some
of the posters here. Only you and I, however, will assume the
trancendental cloak.

Nice call.



On Feb 15, 8:46 pm, "Little Endian" > wrote:
> > > What about level 3.14159, for the pilot who flies in circles? Or
>
> That's an irrational pilot too. And if you ever studied Algebraic
> Number Theory this pilot is also a transcedental pilot ;)

[Don Tuite]

On 15 Feb 2007 17:35:23 -0800, "Tony" > wrote:

>My previously mentioned meds are affecting my mind. What does Euler's
>constant have to do with A&P's?
>
Say it out loud. (in German)

Don

[Jose]

> My previously mentioned meds are affecting my mind. What does Euler's
> constant have to do with A&P's?

Well, don't A&Ps use Eule?

Jose
--
Humans are pack animals. Above all things, they have a deep need to
follow something, be it a leader, a creed, or a mob. Whosoever fully
understands this holds the world in his hands.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[Tony]

OK, I get that, but I used his equations for examing (I think) end
loaded beam collapse at one time in my career.

I have a lot of respect for Jose, but somehow saying Euler (in Engish
we say 'Oiler' -- how is it pronounced in German -- Aircraft
mechanic?) I would have put a degree or two too subtle for him.

Maybe not.

I'll have another bit of meds ( Scotch would be the Rx) over rocks and
try to think of a clever reply.



On Feb 15, 9:41 pm, Don Tuite >
wrote:
> On 15 Feb 2007 17:35:23 -0800, "Tony" > wrote:
>
> >My previously mentioned meds are affecting my mind. What does Euler's
> >constant have to do with A&P's?
>
> Say it out loud. (in German)
>
> Don

[Jim Macklin]

Snow and ice, we all need a vacation. Besides, skiplanes
need snow.

I can't talk like Yoda, I'm a Zen Master not a Jedi Master!




"Al G" > wrote in message
...
|
| "Jim Macklin" > wrote
in message
| ...
| > As a Zen Master Aviator, I make the weather change to
suit
| > me.
| >
| And lately snow suits you. Why backwards do then not
talk?
|
| Al G
|
|
|

[Tony]

This is a stretch, but in Rome would we be cleared to land on Runway
XXX?

And here's a thought: would a Roman pilot consider a runway marked X
as closed or oriented with a magnetic heading of C degrees?

Enough about numbers -- we're celebrating Black History Month here,
it's time to go integrate.


On Feb 15, 10:06 pm, "Tony" > wrote:
> OK, I get that, but I used his equations for examing (I think) end
> loaded beam collapse at one time in my career.
>
> I have a lot of respect for Jose, but somehow saying Euler (in Engish
> we say 'Oiler' -- how is it pronounced in German -- Aircraft
> mechanic?) I would have put a degree or two too subtle for him.
>
> Maybe not.
>
> I'll have another bit of meds ( Scotch would be the Rx) over rocks and
> try to think of a clever reply.
>
> On Feb 15, 9:41 pm, Don Tuite >
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 15 Feb 2007 17:35:23 -0800, "Tony" > wrote:
>
> > >My previously mentioned meds are affecting my mind. What does Euler's
> > >constant have to do with A&P's?
>
> > Say it out loud. (in German)
>
> > Don- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

[Jose]

> This is a stretch, but in Rome would we be cleared to land on Runway
> XXX?

In certain towns of ill repute, yes.

> And here's a thought: would a Roman pilot consider a runway marked X
> as closed or oriented with a magnetic heading of C degrees?

If he makes the wrong decision, he might be in H2O at C degrees C.

> Enough about numbers -- we're celebrating Black History Month here,
> it's time to go integrate.

Being partial to history, you should know that most of what you read are
derivitive works whose quality is variable. You should seek the origin
and look for parallels with the axis.

Oh gosh, have I just invoked Godwin's law?

Jose
--
Humans are pack animals. Above all things, they have a deep need to
follow something, be it a leader, a creed, or a mob. Whosoever fully
understands this holds the world in his hands.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[Tony]

Extrapolation to this extent from the newsgroup's subject may get us
kill filed. It's time to move over to rec.humor.mathematics.





On Feb 16, 9:05 am, Jose > wrote:
> > This is a stretch, but in Rome would we be cleared to land on Runway
> > XXX?
>
> In certain towns of ill repute, yes.
>
> > And here's a thought: would a Roman pilot consider a runway marked X
> > as closed or oriented with a magnetic heading of C degrees?
>
> If he makes the wrong decision, he might be in H2O at C degrees C.
>
> > Enough about numbers -- we're celebrating Black History Month here,
> > it's time to go integrate.
>
> Being partial to history, you should know that most of what you read are
> derivitive works whose quality is variable. You should seek the origin
> and look for parallels with the axis.
>
> Oh gosh, have I just invoked Godwin's law?
>
> Jose
> --
> Humans are pack animals. Above all things, they have a deep need to
> follow something, be it a leader, a creed, or a mob. Whosoever fully
> understands this holds the world in his hands.
> for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[Jose]

> Extrapolation to this extent from the newsgroup's subject may get us
> kill filed. It's time to move over to rec.humor.mathematics.

You think we've reached the limit?

Jose
--
Humans are pack animals. Above all things, they have a deep need to
follow something, be it a leader, a creed, or a mob. Whosoever fully
understands this holds the world in his hands.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[Al G[_1_]]

"Jim Macklin" > wrote in message
...
> Snow and ice, we all need a vacation. Besides, skiplanes
> need snow.
>
> I can't talk like Yoda, I'm a Zen Master not a Jedi Master!
>

I sit corrected.

Al G

[Tony]

I am close to the limit of my ability to add to the humor of this
thread, that's clear! By now only two of us (maybe only one, make that
1, is enjoying the thread -- I can't speak, err, type, for you.




On Feb 16, 10:22 am, Jose > wrote:
> > Extrapolation to this extent from the newsgroup's subject may get us
> > kill filed. It's time to move over to rec.humor.mathematics.
>
> You think we've reached the limit?
>
> Jose
> --
> Humans are pack animals. Above all things, they have a deep need to
> follow something, be it a leader, a creed, or a mob. Whosoever fully
> understands this holds the world in his hands.
> for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[Blanche]

And don't forget about poor, Little Polly Nomial.

Once upon a time (1/t) pretty little Polly Nomial was strolling across
a field of vectors when she came to the boundary of a singularly large matrix.

[Blueskies]

"Nomen Nescio" > wrote in message ...
: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
:
: From: "Tony" >
:
: >What about level 3.14159, for the pilot who flies in circles? Or
: >2.718, for natural pilots (I know many of you will get it), or even 1,
: >2, 3, 5, 7, 11, . . . (prime pilots, of course).
: >
: >I'd better take my meds now.
:
: 42
:
:
:


That is a good answer...

[Blueskies]

"Jose" > wrote in message et...
:
: If he makes the wrong decision, he might be in H2O at C degrees C.
:
:

That would be HIIO

[Tony]

dihydrogen monoxide, actually.

On Feb 16, 7:31 pm, "Blueskies" > wrote:
> "Jose" > wrote in odigy.net...
>
> :
> : If he makes the wrong decision, he might be in H2O at C degrees C.
> :
> :
>
> That would be HIIO

[Tony]

Opps. Sorry, I didn't know my keyboard as loaded.

On Feb 16, 7:33 pm, "Tony" > wrote:
> dihydrogen monoxide, actually.
>
> On Feb 16, 7:31 pm, "Blueskies" > wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Jose" > wrote in odigy.net...
>
> > :
> > : If he makes the wrong decision, he might be in H2O at C degrees C.
> > :
> > :
>
> > That would be HIIO- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

[Jose]

> dihydrogen monoxide, actually.

Hydrogen hydroxide, actually, if one counts the way the molecule splits. :)

Jose
--
Humans are pack animals. Above all things, they have a deep need to
follow something, be it a leader, a creed, or a mob. Whosoever fully
understands this holds the world in his hands.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[Peter Dohm]

> > dihydrogen monoxide, actually.
>
> Hydrogen hydroxide, actually, if one counts the way the molecule splits.
:)
>
I believe that you are right, but something akin to dihydrogen-monoxide or
possibly dihydrogen-oxide was the name used to perpetrate an amusing prank
in which a city council allegedly voted to ban any use or possession of the
substance in their city. As the story was related to me: the perpetrators
supposedly admitted the prank and the council then withdrew allegedly
withdrew the ordinance before final passage.

Now, if we can only get the perpetrators of the global warming prank to
confess...

[Jim Macklin]

No such thing a warming limited to Global, Mars ice caps
receding, Rovers still running, atmosphere getting thicker,
Pluto warmer, Jupiter has a second spot, comets brighter;
the whole damned solar system is getting a heat wave.



"Peter Dohm" > wrote in message
.. .
|> > dihydrogen monoxide, actually.
| >
| > Hydrogen hydroxide, actually, if one counts the way the
molecule splits.
| :)
| >
| I believe that you are right, but something akin to
dihydrogen-monoxide or
| possibly dihydrogen-oxide was the name used to perpetrate
an amusing prank
| in which a city council allegedly voted to ban any use or
possession of the
| substance in their city. As the story was related to me:
the perpetrators
| supposedly admitted the prank and the council then
withdrew allegedly
| withdrew the ordinance before final passage.
|
| Now, if we can only get the perpetrators of the global
warming prank to
| confess...
|
|
|

[Peter Dohm]

> No such thing a warming limited to Global, Mars ice caps
> receding, Rovers still running, atmosphere getting thicker,
> Pluto warmer, Jupiter has a second spot, comets brighter;
> the whole damned solar system is getting a heat wave.
>
>
Exactly!

[Jose]

> I believe that you are right, but something akin to dihydrogen-monoxide or
> possibly dihydrogen-oxide was the name used

Yes, but dihydrogen monoxide is an extremely dangerous substance which
needs to be treated with enormous respect.

Hydrogen hydroxide is just water.

:) Jose
--
Humans are pack animals. Above all things, they have a deep need to
follow something, be it a leader, a creed, or a mob. Whosoever fully
understands this holds the world in his hands.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[Tony]

Jose said

On Feb 17, 7:54 am, Jose > wrote:
> > I believe that you are right, but something akin to dihydrogen-monoxide or
> > possibly dihydrogen-oxide was the name used
>
> Yes, but dihydrogen monoxide is an extremely dangerous substance which
> needs to be treated with enormous respect.
>
> Hydrogen hydroxide is just water.
>
Which, I'll remind him, is an extremely dangerous substance which
needs to be treated with enormous respect.

[Jose]

> Which, I'll remind him, is an extremely dangerous substance which
> needs to be treated with enormous respect.

Oh, you're all wet!

Jose
--
Humans are pack animals. Above all things, they have a deep need to
follow something, be it a leader, a creed, or a mob. Whosoever fully
understands this holds the world in his hands.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[Matt Whiting]

Jim Macklin wrote:

> No such thing a warming limited to Global, Mars ice caps
> receding, Rovers still running, atmosphere getting thicker,
> Pluto warmer, Jupiter has a second spot, comets brighter;
> the whole damned solar system is getting a heat wave.

And all because Americans are driving SUVs. Who'd a thunk we had such
power?


Matt

[Tony]

That's what flaming is all about. Best results if I'm leaned to peak,
though. Makes sense, doesn't it, that one would lean towards a peak --
there's more mass there, after all.


On Feb 17, 9:05 am, Clark > wrote:
> Jose > wrote in news:rEDBh.22585$zH1.19929
> @newssvr29.news.prodigy.net:
>
> >> Which, I'll remind him, is an extremely dangerous substance which
> >> needs to be treated with enormous respect.
>
> > Oh, you're all wet!
>
> Are you trying to get him steamed?
>
> --
> ---
> there should be a "sig" here

[Tony]

OK, I'm ready to declare an emergency for you here, you are exhibiting
an unusual attitude, I suspect your gyro is caged.

Hey, that'll make a good lunch -- a gyro and a salad. I've got to feta
along now.

See you on the reciprocal, and I claim extra points for getting an
aviation reference in every paragraph.

Someone change the thread title, we've drifted off course.




On Feb 17, 10:47 am, Clark > wrote:
> "Tony" > wrote in news:1171726390.632404.317280
> @a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com:
>
> > That's what flaming is all about. Best results if I'm leaned to peak,
> > though. Makes sense, doesn't it, that one would lean towards a peak --
> > there's more mass there, after all.
>
> I think you're overstating the gravity of the situation...
> --
> ---
> there should be a "sig" here

[Mxsmanic]

"Jim Macklin" > writes:

> No such thing a warming limited to Global, Mars ice caps
> receding, Rovers still running, atmosphere getting thicker,
> Pluto warmer, Jupiter has a second spot, comets brighter;
> the whole damned solar system is getting a heat wave.

I have read about some of this, also. The only explanation in that case is
that solar output has increased, in which case human activity may not make any
difference at all, which comes as no surprise (human beings like to
overestimate their influence on their environment).

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

[Peter Dohm]

> > I believe that you are right, but something akin to dihydrogen-monoxide
or
> > possibly dihydrogen-oxide was the name used
>
> Yes, but dihydrogen monoxide is an extremely dangerous substance which
> needs to be treated with enormous respect.
>
> Hydrogen hydroxide is just water.
>
I believe there may have been multiple versions of the story, but here are a
few links relted to the dihydrogen monoxide and dihydrogen oxide versions:

http://www.junkscience.com/news/glassman.html
http://www.snopes.com/science/dhmo.asp
http://www.magicsoil.com/DiHy/DiHydrogen%20Oxide.htm
http://www.magicsoil.com/DiHy/DiHydrogen%20Oxide.htm
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Dihydrogen+oxide

There are many more, too many for my patience.

Peter

[Peter Dohm]

> >
> Go take your meds now. Things won't be so heavy when you wake up.
> >
OK, I see that I also added a rebuttal before reading far enough to see how
trivial it had become.

Peter

[Tony]

OK, no one else has pointed out the error in the leaning towards a
peak statement I made above.

I thought this was peer reviewed.

Someone paying attention would have (in fact, SHOULD HAVE) flamed me
for that remark. If we treat this as a two body problem -- earth and
mountain -- if one were standing in the mutual gravitational fields,
that person would in fact been seen to be leaning AWAY from the
mountain so as to be aligned with the local gravity vector.

Sorry, boys and girls, even gurus make errors from time to time.

..



I beg


Classic physics, of course,
On Feb 17, 10:33 am, "Tony" > wrote:
> That's what flaming is all about. Best results if I'm leaned to peak,
> though. Makes sense, doesn't it, that one would lean towards a peak --
> there's more mass there, after all.
>
> On Feb 17, 9:05 am, Clark > wrote:
>
>
>
> > Jose > wrote in news:rEDBh.22585$zH1.19929
> > @newssvr29.news.prodigy.net:
>
> > >> Which, I'll remind him, is an extremely dangerous substance which
> > >> needs to be treated with enormous respect.
>
> > > Oh, you're all wet!
>
> > Are you trying to get him steamed?
>
> > --
> > ---
> > there should be a "sig" here- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

[Jose]

> Someone paying attention would have (in fact, SHOULD HAVE) flamed me
> for that remark. If we treat this as a two body problem -- earth and
> mountain -- if one were standing in the mutual gravitational fields,
> that person would in fact been seen to be leaning AWAY from the
> mountain so as to be aligned with the local gravity vector.
>
> Sorry, boys and girls, even gurus make errors from time to time.

Depends whether we are considering you to be in the steady state
condition (where you would lean away from the peak), or are unstable
(where you start out vertical, and the mountain pulls on you while your
feet remain planted).

Guess which one the general consensus is. :)

Jose
--
Humans are pack animals. Above all things, they have a deep need to
follow something, be it a leader, a creed, or a mob. Whosoever fully
understands this holds the world in his hands.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[Tony]

In my world the mountain would have been there before I arrived, it
may be (I hope this is not true) you are in a simulated one where
after one's feet are planted the mountain appears. My natural time
constant is significantly shorter than that one associated with
mountains growing.

On the other hand, if you were talking about psychological stability,
well, I do get a discount, I'm married to a shrink!

And, by the way, I am a genuine instrument rated pilot, so if I have
access to an AH, I do know which way is up.



On Feb 17, 8:52 pm, Jose > wrote:
> > Someone paying attention would have (in fact, SHOULD HAVE) flamed me
> > for that remark. If we treat this as a two body problem -- earth and
> > mountain -- if one were standing in the mutual gravitational fields,
> > that person would in fact been seen to be leaning AWAY from the
> > mountain so as to be aligned with the local gravity vector.
>
> > Sorry, boys and girls, even gurus make errors from time to time.
>
> Depends whether we are considering you to be in the steady state
> condition (where you would lean away from the peak), or are unstable
> (where you start out vertical, and the mountain pulls on you while your
> feet remain planted).
>
> Guess which one the general consensus is. :)
>
> Jose
> --
> Humans are pack animals. Above all things, they have a deep need to
> follow something, be it a leader, a creed, or a mob. Whosoever fully
> understands this holds the world in his hands.
> for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[Jose]

> On the other hand, if you were talking about psychological stability,
> well, I do get a discount, I'm married to a shrink!

Well, there you go. Shrink the mountain, straighten up, and fly right!

Jose
--
Humans are pack animals. Above all things, they have a deep need to
follow something, be it a leader, a creed, or a mob. Whosoever fully
understands this holds the world in his hands.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[[email protected]]

On Feb 15, 6:18 pm, Jose > wrote:
> > What about level 3.14159, for the pilot who flies in circles? Or
> > 2.718, for natural pilots (I know many of you will get it), or even 1,
> > 2, 3, 5, 7, 11, . . . (prime pilots, of course).
>
> For those who are also A&Ps, there is 0.57721...
>
> Ok, I'll go back in my corner. :)


HAH! That was funnier than the original!
666 pilots: the pilots who flies like the devil
..45 pilots: anti-terrorist trained
7600 pilots: we don't talk with them.

Ok, yours were better...