Snowed in again... gave up air-commuting for the next month

[Peter R.]

Arrived at my t-hanger this morning in Syracuse, NY (KSYR), to pull the
Bonanza out for my weekly commute to my customer's city only to discover 3
feet of snow (.9 m) in front of the t-hangar and on the adjacent taxiway, as
well as snow banks higher than a low-wing aircraft can safely pass. The rest
of the class C airport was nicely plowed.

Both the City of Syracuse and my FBO have been extremely negligent in their
plowing duties down at this row of t-hangars. With only two FBOs at this
airport and a long waiting list for t-hangars at the competition, it seems as
if I have no recourse here.

This was the second time in two weeks I complained to both parties and both
gave me the same lip service as before. "Blah, blah, blah, you are the
customer and that is unacceptable. We will be sure to take care of the
situation, blah, blah, blah."

While watching the front-end loader very slowly remove the snow from in front
of my t-hangar, I decided that I have had enough of this winter's weather
hassle. My annual is due at the end of March but I asked the mechanic if he
could do it now. Hell, take the entire month, that airplane is not going
anywhere. Driving the three hours one way at the point will be less
stressful.

There really are many forces at work to kill GA in the US.


--
Peter

[Paul Riley]

"Peter R." > wrote in message
...
> Arrived at my t-hanger this morning in Syracuse, NY (KSYR), to pull the
> Bonanza out for my weekly commute to my customer's city only to discover 3
> feet of snow (.9 m) in front of the t-hangar and on the adjacent taxiway,
> as
> well as snow banks higher than a low-wing aircraft can safely pass. The
> rest
> of the class C airport was nicely plowed.
>
> Both the City of Syracuse and my FBO have been extremely negligent in
> their
> plowing duties down at this row of t-hangars. With only two FBOs at this
> airport and a long waiting list for t-hangars at the competition, it seems
> as
> if I have no recourse here.
>
> This was the second time in two weeks I complained to both parties and
> both
> gave me the same lip service as before. "Blah, blah, blah, you are the
> customer and that is unacceptable. We will be sure to take care of the
> situation, blah, blah, blah."
>
> While watching the front-end loader very slowly remove the snow from in
> front
> of my t-hangar, I decided that I have had enough of this winter's weather
> hassle. My annual is due at the end of March but I asked the mechanic if
> he
> could do it now. Hell, take the entire month, that airplane is not going
> anywhere. Driving the three hours one way at the point will be less
> stressful.
>
> There really are many forces at work to kill GA in the US.
>
>
> --
> Peter

Hey Peter,

Just to add some humor to try to relieve your stress factor!!! <G>

What you do is put a snow shovel on your shoulder, start walking south. When
you get to a place where someone asks you what you are carrying, THAT is the
place where you move to and settle in. Hey, worked for me!!! :-)))))

We may have SOME snow in Oklahoma, but the SW part of the state normally
gets only one or two days a year--comes in at midnight, melted by noon!!!
:-)))

Paul

[DaveB]

On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:40:29 -0500, "Peter R." >
wrote:

>Arrived at my t-hanger this morning in Syracuse, NY (KSYR), to pull the
>Bonanza out for my weekly commute to my customer's city only to discover 3
>feet of snow (.9 m) in front of the t-hangar and on the adjacent taxiway, as
>well as snow banks higher than a low-wing aircraft can safely pass. The rest
>of the class C airport was nicely plowed.
>
>Both the City of Syracuse and my FBO have been extremely negligent in their
>plowing duties down at this row of t-hangars. With only two FBOs at this
>airport and a long waiting list for t-hangars at the competition, it seems as
>if I have no recourse here.
>
>This was the second time in two weeks I complained to both parties and both
>gave me the same lip service as before. "Blah, blah, blah, you are the
>customer and that is unacceptable. We will be sure to take care of the
>situation, blah, blah, blah."
>
>While watching the front-end loader very slowly remove the snow from in front
>of my t-hangar, I decided that I have had enough of this winter's weather
>hassle. My annual is due at the end of March but I asked the mechanic if he
>could do it now. Hell, take the entire month, that airplane is not going
>anywhere. Driving the three hours one way at the point will be less
>stressful.
>
>There really are many forces at work to kill GA in the US.
>
>
>--
>Peter

Glad to see global warming at work
Daveb

[Peter R.]

On 2/19/2007 6:46:39 PM, "Paul Riley" wrote:

> What you do is put a snow shovel on your shoulder, start walking south. When
> you get to a place where someone asks you what you are carrying, THAT is the
> place where you move to and settle in. Hey, worked for me!!! :-)))))

After this winter where we made up all of our average season's snowfall in
three weeks time, I might actually take your advice to heart. :)

--
Peter

[Lou]

What would happen if you went in there with a check for half the rent,
told them since you only get half the use of the hanger you should
only have
to pay for half the rent. Try it once, you may get a late charge but
I'll bet they
won't even collect that. It seems to me if your only getting half the
service (storage but
not use) you should only be charged half.
Lou

[Matt Whiting]

Lou wrote:

> What would happen if you went in there with a check for half the rent,
> told them since you only get half the use of the hanger you should
> only have
> to pay for half the rent. Try it once, you may get a late charge but
> I'll bet they
> won't even collect that. It seems to me if your only getting half the
> service (storage but
> not use) you should only be charged half.
> Lou
>

He would likely get evicted as pretty much every airport in the
northeast has a long waiting list for hangars ... even with these
conditions.

I have a plow on my pickup so getting my plane out of the hangar was
never a problem. Although, I must admit that ELM was pretty good about
snow removal when I had a hangar there. You had to shovel the windrow
right in front of the door that that plow couldn't remove as they didn't
bother to backblade, but that wasn't a big deal.

Matt

[Peter R.]

On 2/19/2007 6:53:08 PM, wrote:

> Glad to see global warming at work

Not sure if you are sarcastic or serious, but consider this: November,
December, and the first two weeks of January were about 10 to 20 degrees
warmer than average in the Northeast US.

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2007/s2772.htm

This resulted in the water temperatures of the lower, eastern Great Lakes
(Huron, Erie, and Ontario) to remain well above freezing much longer into the
winter. When the extremely cold, Canadian air aloft finally did drop into the
area, the lake effect snow was more intense than average.

In a typical year, Lake Erie will almost completely freeze over and the
majority of Lake Ontario freezes over by mid-January or so, which turns off
the lake effect snow "engine" and lowers the amount of snowfall produced by
the lakes.

Personally, I am on the fence about global warming but the fact remains that
the deep snow those who live downwind of the lakes are fighting now was
caused by warmer temperatures early in the winter.


--
Peter

[Allen[_1_]]

"Peter R." > wrote in message
...
> On 2/19/2007 6:53:08 PM, wrote:
>
>> Glad to see global warming at work
>
> Not sure if you are sarcastic or serious, but consider this: November,
> December, and the first two weeks of January were about 10 to 20 degrees
> warmer than average in the Northeast US.
>
> http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2007/s2772.htm
>
> This resulted in the water temperatures of the lower, eastern Great Lakes
> (Huron, Erie, and Ontario) to remain well above freezing much longer into
> the
> winter. When the extremely cold, Canadian air aloft finally did drop into
> the
> area, the lake effect snow was more intense than average.
>
> In a typical year, Lake Erie will almost completely freeze over and the
> majority of Lake Ontario freezes over by mid-January or so, which turns
> off
> the lake effect snow "engine" and lowers the amount of snowfall produced
> by
> the lakes.
>
> Personally, I am on the fence about global warming but the fact remains
> that
> the deep snow those who live downwind of the lakes are fighting now was
> caused by warmer temperatures early in the winter.
>
>
> --
> Peter

Idaho, Colorado and Wyoming have had much less snowfall than usual, it has
been much colder than normal there.

Allen

[Marco Leon]

On Feb 20, 10:11 am, "Allen" > wrote:
>
> Idaho, Colorado and Wyoming have had much less snowfall than usual, it has
> been much colder than normal there.

....and Long Island had a total of three inches this year (read: no
lake effect). If your commute bearing is due south/southeast, then
your flight time difference for the commute would be negligible. Oh,
and you'd still be a New Yorker! I recall one trip where I was
boating on Lake George with the family in the morning and sitting on
the beach with them in the afternoon.

Brookhaven (KHWV) is building new t-hangars right now and may have
some still available. But you'd switch sharing the runway with F-16's
to a P-51.

Marco

[Montblack]

("Allen" wrote)
> Idaho, Colorado and Wyoming have had much less snowfall than usual, it has
> been much colder than normal there.


My sister and her hubby flew back to Boulder, Colorado this morning. She
said they've had many, many "feet" worth of snow this year, along with the
unusually cold temps.

The Twin Cities, so far this winter, has gotten little snow ...we did have a
pretty respectable (below zero) cold snap, though.


Montblack

[Chris Curtis]

> Idaho, Colorado and Wyoming have had much less snowfall than usual, it has
> been much colder than normal there.
>
> Allen

Don't know about Idaho and Wyoming but enter 'Denver Snow' into the search
window on the BBC News website!
Our firends who live there were pretty fed up a few weeks ago.

Chris

[LWG]

Yeah, I saw that on TV, too. And global warming is responsible for Brittany
Spears inability to tolerate panties.

1.Global warming causes a decrease in humidity.

2. Dry air irritates razor burn.

3. Some women ... Oh, I forget the rest.

> Not sure if you are sarcastic or serious, but consider this: November,
> December, and the first two weeks of January were about 10 to 20 degrees
> warmer than average in the Northeast US.
>
> http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2007/s2772.htm
>
> This resulted in the water temperatures of the lower, eastern Great Lakes
> (Huron, Erie, and Ontario) to remain well above freezing much longer into
> the
> winter. When the extremely cold, Canadian air aloft finally did drop into
> the
> area, the lake effect snow was more intense than average.
>

[Peter R.]

On 2/21/2007 6:57:36 PM, "LWG" wrote:

> Yeah, I saw that on TV, too. And global warming is responsible for Brittany
> Spears inability to tolerate panties.

Hopefully comedy is not the source of your primary income.

--
Peter