Ice storm!

[Jay Honeck]

Freezing rain has been coming down all day here in Iowa City. We've
got 1/2 inch of ice on everything, huge tree limbs crashing down,
grenade-sized chunks of ice raining down.

No one is flying. No one is driving. Most areas have no power. (We
still do, thankfully!)

Crazy.... And they're talking about 6 - 10 inches of snow tomorrow!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Tony]

Soft IMC, huh?

On Feb 24, 6:42 pm, "Jay Honeck" > wrote:
> Freezing rain has been coming down all day here in Iowa City. We've
> got 1/2 inch of ice on everything, huge tree limbs crashing down,
> grenade-sized chunks of ice raining down.
>
> No one is flying. No one is driving. Most areas have no power. (We
> still do, thankfully!)
>
> Crazy.... And they're talking about 6 - 10 inches of snow tomorrow!
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

[Kyle Boatright]

Times like these are when you wish you had even a small back-up generator...

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> Freezing rain has been coming down all day here in Iowa City. We've
> got 1/2 inch of ice on everything, huge tree limbs crashing down,
> grenade-sized chunks of ice raining down.
>
> No one is flying. No one is driving. Most areas have no power. (We
> still do, thankfully!)
>
> Crazy.... And they're talking about 6 - 10 inches of snow tomorrow!
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Jay Honeck" <> wrote

> Freezing rain has been coming down all day here in Iowa City. We've
> got 1/2 inch of ice on everything, huge tree limbs crashing down,
> grenade-sized chunks of ice raining down.
>
> No one is flying. No one is driving. Most areas have no power. (We
> still do, thankfully!)
>
> Crazy.... And they're talking about 6 - 10 inches of snow tomorrow!

If you keep your power, I predict that you will be totally full, for the
next few days.

Time to switch to survival mode!
--
Jim in NC

[Dallas]

On 24 Feb 2007 15:42:58 -0800, Jay Honeck wrote:

> Freezing rain has been coming down all day here in Iowa City.

Dallas got a massive dust storm this afternoon. Wind was out of the west
at 30 - 45 mph, visibility about a half block.

What's next, frogs falling from the sky?

Maybe Al Gore got it right.

--
Dallas

[Blueskies]

"Dallas" > wrote in message ...
: On 24 Feb 2007 15:42:58 -0800, Jay Honeck wrote:
:
: > Freezing rain has been coming down all day here in Iowa City.
:
: Dallas got a massive dust storm this afternoon. Wind was out of the west
: at 30 - 45 mph, visibility about a half block.
:
: What's next, frogs falling from the sky?
:
: Maybe Al Gore got it right.
:
: --
: Dallas


What, he invented frogs falling from the sky?

; -)

[Ross[_2_]]

Jay Honeck wrote:
> Freezing rain has been coming down all day here in Iowa City. We've
> got 1/2 inch of ice on everything, huge tree limbs crashing down,
> grenade-sized chunks of ice raining down.
>
> No one is flying. No one is driving. Most areas have no power. (We
> still do, thankfully!)
>
> Crazy.... And they're talking about 6 - 10 inches of snow tomorrow!
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>

A couple of months ago, central OK had up to 1" on ice on everything.
60,000+ without power. Today here in North Central TX we had 60mph winds
and the dust of west TX come though.

[Mxsmanic]

Jay Honeck writes:

> Freezing rain has been coming down all day here in Iowa City. We've
> got 1/2 inch of ice on everything, huge tree limbs crashing down,
> grenade-sized chunks of ice raining down.
>
> No one is flying. No one is driving. Most areas have no power. (We
> still do, thankfully!)
>
> Crazy.... And they're talking about 6 - 10 inches of snow tomorrow!

Sounds like a great time to climb into the sim cockpit and see if you can
handle the weather.

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

[Jules]

Dallas wrote:

>
> Maybe Al Gore got it right.
>

Hotter than you like, maybe Al Gore got it right.

Colder than you like, maybe Al Gore got it right.

Wetter than you like, maybe Al Gore got it right.

Windier than you like, maybe Al Gore got it right.

Too much snow, maybe Al Gore got it right.

Too dry, maybe Al Gore got it right.

Icier than you like, maybe Al Gore got it right.

Maybe.

[BDS]

"Jules" > wrote

> Hotter than you like, maybe Al Gore got it right.
>
> Colder than you like, maybe Al Gore got it right.
>
> Wetter than you like, maybe Al Gore got it right.
>
> Windier than you like, maybe Al Gore got it right.
>
> Too much snow, maybe Al Gore got it right.
>
> Too dry, maybe Al Gore got it right.
>
> Icier than you like, maybe Al Gore got it right.

That's what I like about global warming - you can blame anything you want to
on it! Ya gotta love that!!

BDS

[Matt Whiting]

BDS wrote:

> "Jules" > wrote
>
>
>>Hotter than you like, maybe Al Gore got it right.
>>
>>Colder than you like, maybe Al Gore got it right.
>>
>>Wetter than you like, maybe Al Gore got it right.
>>
>>Windier than you like, maybe Al Gore got it right.
>>
>>Too much snow, maybe Al Gore got it right.
>>
>>Too dry, maybe Al Gore got it right.
>>
>>Icier than you like, maybe Al Gore got it right.
>
>
> That's what I like about global warming - you can blame anything you want to
> on it! Ya gotta love that!!

I blame global warming on Al Gore. If he quite blowing hot air, I
suspect the earth would cool one degree overnight. And if Hilary shut
her trap, we'd gain two degrees!

Matt

[Oz Lander[_2_]]

Jay Honeck wrote:

> Freezing rain has been coming down all day here in Iowa City. We've
> got 1/2 inch of ice on everything, huge tree limbs crashing down,
> grenade-sized chunks of ice raining down.
>
> No one is flying. No one is driving. Most areas have no power. (We
> still do, thankfully!)
>
> Crazy.... And they're talking about 6 - 10 inches of snow tomorrow!

Sorry to heretywr.....whoops! Sory about that! Just spilled some of my
suntan oil on the keyboard! Doh! ;-)
Seriously though, got baked red raw all over my back building a
trampoline for the kids yesterday!

--
Oz Lander.
I'm not always right,
But I'm never wrong.

[[email protected]]

Back to the original topic, we just had some "thunder snow" here in
Madison. Thunder and lightning during a snowstorm. I've only heard/
seen it a few times.
We got something like 8 inches of snow last night, another 12-14
tonight.
the plane is safely tucked away in the hanger.

-Ryan

[Orval Fairbairn]

In article >,
"Blueskies" > wrote:

> "Dallas" > wrote in message
> ...
> : On 24 Feb 2007 15:42:58 -0800, Jay Honeck wrote:
> :
> : > Freezing rain has been coming down all day here in Iowa City.
> :
> : Dallas got a massive dust storm this afternoon. Wind was out of the west
> : at 30 - 45 mph, visibility about a half block.
> :
> : What's next, frogs falling from the sky?
> :
> : Maybe Al Gore got it right.
> :
> : --
> : Dallas
>
>
> What, he invented frogs falling from the sky?
>
> ; -)

Only if he collaborated with France on a French paratroop invasion. ;>)

[Montblack]

("Oz Lander" wrote)
> Sorry to heretywr.....whoops! Sory about that! Just spilled some of my
> suntan oil on the keyboard! Doh! ;-)
> Seriously though, got baked red raw all over my back building a trampoline
> for the kids yesterday!


Rereading your post, I notice you failed to include an invite. That's just
not right!


Montblack
10-15 inches of snow forecast for tonight and tomorrow, in the Twin Cities -
St Paul/Minneapolis, MN

[Mxsmanic]

writes:

> We got something like 8 inches of snow last night, another 12-14
> tonight.
> the plane is safely tucked away in the hanger.

How much snow is on the roof?

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

[Oz Lander[_2_]]

Montblack wrote:

> ("Oz Lander" wrote)
> > Sorry to heretywr.....whoops! Sory about that! Just spilled some of
> > my suntan oil on the keyboard! Doh! ;-)
> > Seriously though, got baked red raw all over my back building a
> > trampoline for the kids yesterday!
>
>
> Rereading your post, I notice you failed to include an invite. That's
> just not right!
>
>
> Montblack
> 10-15 inches of snow forecast for tonight and tomorrow, in the Twin
> Cities - St Paul/Minneapolis, MN

I'm in Australia! That means an open invite! You know! "Where the
bloody hell are ya?"
The BBQ is always fired up, and the beers always cold!

--
Oz Lander.
I'm not always right,
But I'm never wrong.

[601XL Builder]

Jay Honeck wrote:
> Freezing rain has been coming down all day here in Iowa City. We've
> got 1/2 inch of ice on everything, huge tree limbs crashing down,
> grenade-sized chunks of ice raining down.
>
> No one is flying. No one is driving. Most areas have no power. (We
> still do, thankfully!)
>
> Crazy.... And they're talking about 6 - 10 inches of snow tomorrow!
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>

I do feel sorry for you. WX here in South Arkansas for Sunday is
supposed to be PC and 63 degrees.

[Jim Macklin]

Yes, global warm and weather/climate changes.
Mankind is alive, ergo, "we did it."

But I want Al Gore et al to explain why Mars is warmers,
Jupiter has a new spot, and even Pluto is getting warmer.



"Jules" > wrote in
message ...
|
|
| Dallas wrote:
|
| >
| > Maybe Al Gore got it right.
| >
|
| Hotter than you like, maybe Al Gore got it right.
|
| Colder than you like, maybe Al Gore got it right.
|
| Wetter than you like, maybe Al Gore got it right.
|
| Windier than you like, maybe Al Gore got it right.
|
| Too much snow, maybe Al Gore got it right.
|
| Too dry, maybe Al Gore got it right.
|
| Icier than you like, maybe Al Gore got it right.
|
| Maybe.
|

[Jim Macklin]

We agree on something!

"Matt Whiting" > wrote in message
...
| BDS wrote:
|
| > "Jules" > wrote
| >
| >
| >>Hotter than you like, maybe Al Gore got it right.
| >>
| >>Colder than you like, maybe Al Gore got it right.
| >>
| >>Wetter than you like, maybe Al Gore got it right.
| >>
| >>Windier than you like, maybe Al Gore got it right.
| >>
| >>Too much snow, maybe Al Gore got it right.
| >>
| >>Too dry, maybe Al Gore got it right.
| >>
| >>Icier than you like, maybe Al Gore got it right.
| >
| >
| > That's what I like about global warming - you can blame
anything you want to
| > on it! Ya gotta love that!!
|
| I blame global warming on Al Gore. If he quite blowing
hot air, I
| suspect the earth would cool one degree overnight. And if
Hilary shut
| her trap, we'd gain two degrees!
|
| Matt

[Jim Macklin]

But have you had a snirt T storm yet?


> wrote in message
ups.com...
| Back to the original topic, we just had some "thunder
snow" here in
| Madison. Thunder and lightning during a snowstorm. I've
only heard/
| seen it a few times.
| We got something like 8 inches of snow last night, another
12-14
| tonight.
| the plane is safely tucked away in the hanger.
|
| -Ryan
|

[Judah]

Dallas > wrote in
:

> What's next, frogs falling from the sky?

Nah, the frogs don't come until after the water turns the blood. We've got
time yet.

[Bob Noel]

In article >,
"Jim Macklin" > wrote:

> Yes, global warm and weather/climate changes.
> Mankind is alive, ergo, "we did it."
>
> But I want Al Gore et al to explain why Mars is warmers,
> Jupiter has a new spot, and even Pluto is getting warmer.

clearly it's a massive right-wing conspiracy, with those right-wing
talk shows radiating all that RF into space!

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

[Jim Macklin]

Actually, if global warming did melt all the ice on land and
the oceans did rise 20 feet, it would make rebuilding New
Orleans moot and save the taxpayers a lot of money. And
just think of all the new seaports. The whole state of
Florida would become a skin-divers paradise, but it would
ruin the bass fishing in the glades.
And Brittney Spears and Anna Nicole Smith are "real" news.



"Bob Noel" > wrote in
message
...
| In article >,
| "Jim Macklin" >
wrote:
|
| > Yes, global warm and weather/climate changes.
| > Mankind is alive, ergo, "we did it."
| >
| > But I want Al Gore et al to explain why Mars is warmers,
| > Jupiter has a new spot, and even Pluto is getting
warmer.
|
| clearly it's a massive right-wing conspiracy, with those
right-wing
| talk shows radiating all that RF into space!
|
| --
| Bob Noel
| Looking for a sig the
| lawyers will hate
|

[Dan Luke]

> Freezing rain has been coming down all day here in Iowa City. We've
> got 1/2 inch of ice on everything, huge tree limbs crashing down,
> grenade-sized chunks of ice raining down.
>
> No one is flying. No one is driving. Most areas have no power. (We
> still do, thankfully!)
>
> Crazy.... And they're talking about 6 - 10 inches of snow tomorrow!


Brrr!

"...can't for the life of me figure out what you guys see in the coasts..."

--Jay Honeck in r.a.owning

[Blueskies]

"Jim Macklin" > wrote in message ...
:
: And Brittney Spears and Anna Nicole Smith are "real" news.
:
:
:


Yup, the Iraq debacle is nothing, keep your eyes on the Oscar, not the lives and billions of dollars wasted in the
desert...

[Jim Macklin]

It wasn't wasted until after the November election, now the
Dimocrats want to be sure George Bush's legacy is failure.
George, I'm sure has other plans.


"Blueskies" > wrote in message
. ..
|
| "Jim Macklin" > wrote
in message ...
| :
| : And Brittney Spears and Anna Nicole Smith are "real"
news.
| :
| :
| :
|
|
| Yup, the Iraq debacle is nothing, keep your eyes on the
Oscar, not the lives and billions of dollars wasted in the
| desert...
|
|

[Jay Honeck]

> The BBQ is always fired up, and the beers always cold!

Hey -- that's *my* line! I *knew* I liked you Ozzies for
something! :-)

We headed home after I started this thread last night, only to sit in
the dark. All of our camping gear sure came handy, especially those
"wind-up-dynamo" lights and radios that went on sale after the Year
2000 didn't become the disaster everyone predicted... ;-)

Came in at 5:30 this morning to start the clean up. The hotel looks
pretty much the way it did after the tornado last spring, except our
new fence wasn't demolished -- only broken where a big tree limb
smashed down on it.

I just got back from Menard's, where I bought a chain saw. There were
25 guys in line buying chain saws -- they'll be sold out in an
hour... We've got limbs the size of my leg down everywhere.
Thankfully, no one was hurt -- but a guest with a beautiful new Chevy
pickup truck learned that it wasn't wise to park under a tree in an
ice storm...

The good news is: They were wrong about the snow. It got too warm,
and it ended up just rain...thankfully. And, hey, our Governor has
declared our county in a "state of emergency"...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Blueskies]

Bush is writing his legacy just fine on his own, doesn't need any help from the dimocrats...

Mission accomplished?.


"Jim Macklin" > wrote in message ...
: It wasn't wasted until after the November election, now the
: Dimocrats want to be sure George Bush's legacy is failure.
: George, I'm sure has other plans.
:
:
: "Blueskies" > wrote in message
: . ..
: |
: | "Jim Macklin" > wrote
: in message ...
: | :
: | : And Brittney Spears and Anna Nicole Smith are "real"
: news.
: | :
: | :
: | :
: |
: |
: | Yup, the Iraq debacle is nothing, keep your eyes on the
: Oscar, not the lives and billions of dollars wasted in the
: | desert...
: |
: |
:
:

[Jim Macklin]

For those not from Illinois or Iowa, Mendard's is a hardware
store/home center.


"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
ps.com...
|> The BBQ is always fired up, and the beers always cold!
|
| Hey -- that's *my* line! I *knew* I liked you Ozzies for
| something! :-)
|
| We headed home after I started this thread last night,
only to sit in
| the dark. All of our camping gear sure came handy,
especially those
| "wind-up-dynamo" lights and radios that went on sale after
the Year
| 2000 didn't become the disaster everyone predicted...
;-)
|
| Came in at 5:30 this morning to start the clean up. The
hotel looks
| pretty much the way it did after the tornado last spring,
except our
| new fence wasn't demolished -- only broken where a big
tree limb
| smashed down on it.
|
| I just got back from Menard's, where I bought a chain saw.
There were
| 25 guys in line buying chain saws -- they'll be sold out
in an
| hour... We've got limbs the size of my leg down
everywhere.
| Thankfully, no one was hurt -- but a guest with a
beautiful new Chevy
| pickup truck learned that it wasn't wise to park under a
tree in an
| ice storm...
|
| The good news is: They were wrong about the snow. It got
too warm,
| and it ended up just rain...thankfully. And, hey, our
Governor has
| declared our county in a "state of emergency"...
| --
| Jay Honeck
| Iowa City, IA
| Pathfinder N56993
| www.AlexisParkInn.com
| "Your Aviation Destination"
|

[Jim Macklin]

The "mission" was the initial full scale small war. It
wasn't the end of the whole Muslim terror. Only the news
media and Democrat party ever pushed or claimed it was over.

Personally, we should have kept the B2 and B1s flying and
taken out Iran's military too. We may still have to do
that.



"Blueskies" > wrote in message
...
| Bush is writing his legacy just fine on his own, doesn't
need any help from the dimocrats...
|
| Mission accomplished?.
|
|
| "Jim Macklin" > wrote
in message ...
| : It wasn't wasted until after the November election, now
the
| : Dimocrats want to be sure George Bush's legacy is
failure.
| : George, I'm sure has other plans.
| :
| :
| : "Blueskies" > wrote in
message
| : . ..
| : |
| : | "Jim Macklin" >
wrote
| : in message ...
| : | :
| : | : And Brittney Spears and Anna Nicole Smith are "real"
| : news.
| : | :
| : | :
| : | :
| : |
| : |
| : | Yup, the Iraq debacle is nothing, keep your eyes on
the
| : Oscar, not the lives and billions of dollars wasted in
the
| : | desert...
| : |
| : |
| :
| :
|
|

[john smith]

In article >,
"Jim Macklin" > wrote:

> Personally, we should have kept the B2 and B1s flying and
> taken out Iran's military too. We may still have to do
> that.

Gosh Jim, that sounds just like George C Scott talking about carrying
the fight to the Russians at the end of WW2 in the movie PATTON. :-))

[Matt Whiting]

Jim Macklin wrote:

> We agree on something!


:-)

Matt

[Dallas]

On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 07:14:06 -0600, Jim Macklin wrote:

> But I want Al Gore et al to explain why Mars is warmers,
> Jupiter has a new spot, and even Pluto is getting warmer.

Cosmic warming?

--
Dallas

[Dallas]

On 25 Feb 2007 07:56:17 -0800, Jay Honeck wrote:

> There were 25 guys in line buying chain saws

Sounds like a great opportunity to make some money.

I'll load up an 18 wheeler with some of our local "undocumented immigrants"
and a bunch of chain saws and be up there tomorrow.

--
Dallas

[Jim Macklin]

A good role model.



"john smith" > wrote in message
...
| In article >,
| "Jim Macklin" >
wrote:
|
| > Personally, we should have kept the B2 and B1s flying
and
| > taken out Iran's military too. We may still have to do
| > that.
|
| Gosh Jim, that sounds just like George C Scott talking
about carrying
| the fight to the Russians at the end of WW2 in the movie
PATTON. :-))

[Jim Macklin]

At least solar system warming. But that doesn't get you an
Oscar.



"Dallas" > wrote in message
...
| On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 07:14:06 -0600, Jim Macklin wrote:
|
| > But I want Al Gore et al to explain why Mars is warmers,
| > Jupiter has a new spot, and even Pluto is getting
warmer.
|
| Cosmic warming?
|
| --
| Dallas

[Matt Whiting]

Jim Macklin wrote:
> At least solar system warming. But that doesn't get you an
> Oscar.

Nor does it gain you research funding.

Matt

[Jim Macklin]

It should, after all we could place large set of louvers or
blinds in an orbit to shade the Earth, or learn to control
the Sun. Besides, when has funding depended on rational
thought, it is all about the children.



"Matt Whiting" > wrote in message
...
| Jim Macklin wrote:
| > At least solar system warming. But that doesn't get you
an
| > Oscar.
|
| Nor does it gain you research funding.
|
| Matt

[Peter Dohm]

> Actually, if global warming did melt all the ice on land and
> the oceans did rise 20 feet, it would make rebuilding New
> Orleans moot and save the taxpayers a lot of money. And
> just think of all the new seaports. The whole state of
> Florida would become a skin-divers paradise, but it would
> ruin the bass fishing in the glades.
> And Brittney Spears and Anna Nicole Smith are "real" news.
>
>
As an interesting asside to all of this, even as the Greens are clming that
we are within one degree of "irreversible and catastrophic" global warming,
I heard a rather interesting asserton about climate a couple of days ago.

It seems that we are still several degrees cooler than the predicted
temperatures from a long term solar cycle and--this is the interesting
part--we are the same amount cooler than the "optimum" temperature for world
wide food production.

BTW, I am no expert on this, but a quick look at a globe type map suggests
that the area of the ice caps over land is very small compared to the area
of the oceans and that--even if the ice caps cold be melted--two feet might
be a better gusee than 20 feet.

However, I personally doubt that the temperature difference from not until
the next temperature peak will make much change in the amount of ice.
Therefore, it will make even less difference in the sea level. I know that
a lot of people deserve it, but it just won't happen within the next few
thousand years.

Peter
Just my $0.02

[[email protected]]

On Feb 25, 3:26 pm, Dallas > wrote:
> On 25 Feb 2007 07:56:17 -0800, Jay Honeck wrote:
>
> > There were 25 guys in line buying chain saws
>
> Sounds like a great opportunity to make some money.
>
> I'll load up an 18 wheeler with some of our local "undocumented immigrants"
> and a bunch of chain saws and be up there tomorrow.
>
> --
> Dallas

ROFL! Wait, don't do that, I'll load up the Aztec with 5 semi-
documented immigrants and be there tonight! no... wait... the snow
plow STILL hasn't been down our road and the drifts are now over 4"
deep.

We've been housebound all day, but we have electricity and heat.
Other than one of my mechanics, who drove out here in a Cat payloader,
we haven't seen a single vehicle, not even a snowmobile, drive by the
house.

Jay, how many chainsaws did Menards have? Glad you got one before
they sold the other one! :)

Jim

[Chris]

"Peter Dohm" > wrote in message
.. .
>> Actually, if global warming did melt all the ice on land and
>> the oceans did rise 20 feet, it would make rebuilding New
>> Orleans moot and save the taxpayers a lot of money. And
>> just think of all the new seaports. The whole state of
>> Florida would become a skin-divers paradise, but it would
>> ruin the bass fishing in the glades.
>> And Brittney Spears and Anna Nicole Smith are "real" news.
>>
>>
> As an interesting asside to all of this, even as the Greens are clming
> that
> we are within one degree of "irreversible and catastrophic" global
> warming,
> I heard a rather interesting asserton about climate a couple of days ago.
>
> It seems that we are still several degrees cooler than the predicted
> temperatures from a long term solar cycle and--this is the interesting
> part--we are the same amount cooler than the "optimum" temperature for
> world
> wide food production.
>
> BTW, I am no expert on this,

you are so right there - you are no expert, better leave it to those who
have spent a lifetime studying the matter.

[Alan Gerber]

wrote:
> no... wait... the snow
> plow STILL hasn't been down our road and the drifts are now over 4"
> deep.

> We've been housebound all day, but we have electricity and heat.

Please tell me that was a typo, and you mean four FEET deep, not four
inches!

Being housebound in four-inch snow is kind of like having to spend the
night on an escalator due to a power failure.

.... Alan
--
Alan Gerber
PP-ASEL
gerber AT panix DOT com

[Margy Natalie]

Oz Lander wrote:
> Montblack wrote:
>
>
>>("Oz Lander" wrote)
>>
>>>Sorry to heretywr.....whoops! Sory about that! Just spilled some of
>>>my suntan oil on the keyboard! Doh! ;-)
>>>Seriously though, got baked red raw all over my back building a
>>>trampoline for the kids yesterday!
>>
>>
>>Rereading your post, I notice you failed to include an invite. That's
>>just not right!
>>
>>
>>Montblack
>>10-15 inches of snow forecast for tonight and tomorrow, in the Twin
>>Cities - St Paul/Minneapolis, MN
>
>
> I'm in Australia! That means an open invite! You know! "Where the
> bloody hell are ya?"
> The BBQ is always fired up, and the beers always cold!
>
Where? I'm ready for another visit!! Well, Maybe in 3-5 years.

Margy

[Jay Honeck]

> no... wait... the snow
> plow STILL hasn't been down our road and the drifts are now over 4"
> deep.

I'll bet you meant to say four FEET deep, no? Four inch drifts aren't
very impressive, nowadays... :-)

> Jay, how many chainsaws did Menards have? Glad you got one before
> they sold the other one! :)

Just got our internet/cable back here at the house, at 7:30 PM CST.
It took our cable provider 24 hours to get the neighborhood back on-
line -- but one of our two buildings at the hotel is still without
TV.

I am sure glad we installed DVD players in all the suites, and decided
to provide free DVD borrowing priveleges for all of our guests!
That's kept 'em quiet for 24 hours...

Menard's had dozens of chainsaws, but they were flying off the
shelves. I got a real nice Homelite 45 cc, 18-inch model that made
quick work of my mess.

I can't stand up straight, and my arms are still vibrating -- but we
got it done. Joe and I worked 6 long hours, in ankle-deep slush,
cutting and hauling. We've got three truck-loads of kindling, for
anyone who would like it!?

Required aviation content: I have not heard nor seen a plane in Iowa
City in 48 hours. First time since 9/11 I can say that.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[[email protected]]

yup should have read four feet.... dang shiftomatic keyboard

OR

the air compressor is shot on the family lowrider

[Crash Lander[_1_]]

"Margy Natalie" > wrote in message
...

> Where? I'm ready for another visit!! Well, Maybe in 3-5 years.
>
> Margy

Victoria.
Oz Lander

[Matt Whiting]

Chris wrote:

> "Peter Dohm" > wrote in message
> .. .
>
>>>Actually, if global warming did melt all the ice on land and
>>>the oceans did rise 20 feet, it would make rebuilding New
>>>Orleans moot and save the taxpayers a lot of money. And
>>>just think of all the new seaports. The whole state of
>>>Florida would become a skin-divers paradise, but it would
>>>ruin the bass fishing in the glades.
>>>And Brittney Spears and Anna Nicole Smith are "real" news.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>As an interesting asside to all of this, even as the Greens are clming
>>that
>>we are within one degree of "irreversible and catastrophic" global
>>warming,
>>I heard a rather interesting asserton about climate a couple of days ago.
>>
>>It seems that we are still several degrees cooler than the predicted
>>temperatures from a long term solar cycle and--this is the interesting
>>part--we are the same amount cooler than the "optimum" temperature for
>>world
>>wide food production.
>>
>>BTW, I am no expert on this,
>
>
> you are so right there - you are no expert, better leave it to those who
> have spent a lifetime studying the matter.

You mean the same ones that proclaimed global cooling in the 70s?

Matt

[Matt Whiting]

Jay Honeck wrote:

> Menard's had dozens of chainsaws, but they were flying off the
> shelves. I got a real nice Homelite 45 cc, 18-inch model that made
> quick work of my mess.

Jay,

I hate to burst your bubble, but I was a professional logger for several
years and there is no such thing as a nice Homelite. :-)

If it isn't a Stihl, it isn't a chainsaw. :-)

My 056 is 20 years old and still going strong and I use it a fair bit.
My only complaint is that Stihl no longer stocks parts for it. I think
it will outlive me if I don't drop a tree on nit.


Matt

[Mxsmanic]

Chris writes:

> you are so right there - you are no expert, better leave it to those who
> have spent a lifetime studying the matter.

The ones who have spent a lifetime studying it know no more about it than
Peter does, unfortunately. You can roll dice and match the accuracy of
predictions made by the "experts."

Remember, we still cannot predict the weather even 24 hours in advance with
any degree of accuracy. We know absolutely nothing about what the weather
will be like ten or a hundred years from now.

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Jim Macklin"> wrote

> It should, after all we could place large set of louvers or
> blinds in an orbit to shade the Earth, or learn to control
> the Sun. Besides, when has funding depended on rational
> thought, it is all about the children.

IF you could actually do this, (the problems and costs are immense, and most
of the technology is far from existing) what is to keep this from creating a
problem as large as the possible threat from global warming.

Remember the dark ages? Famine, wholesale crop failures? All because the
solar cycle did not keep the earth within the ideal temperature range, by a
couple degrees.

Climatic science is far from a perfected science. We still do not know more
than we know.

For example, we could prevent the buildup of a few degrees, and when the
solar cycle swings the other way, everything could be too cold. If there
was some extra heat around, the cool-down might just bring us back to
normal. Lots of variables, when we don't even know what the equation is.
--
Jim in NC

[Jose]

> Remember the dark ages? Famine, wholesale crop failures? All because the
> solar cycle did not keep the earth within the ideal temperature range, by a
> couple degrees.

That's the first I'd heard of that particular cause. Got a cite?

Jose
--
Humans are pack animals. Above all things, they have a deep need to
follow something, be it a leader, a creed, or a mob. Whosoever fully
understands this holds the world in his hands.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[Jay Honeck]

> I hate to burst your bubble, but I was a professional logger for several
> years and there is no such thing as a nice Homelite. :-)
>
> If it isn't a Stihl, it isn't a chainsaw. :-)

Actually, I was talking with an experienced chain saw owner/user, as
he and I were selecting the Homelite, and we both came to the
following conclusion, after years of buying home-use yard tools:

1. The names no long mean anything. Most lawn tools are now made by
two or three companies, who sell their stuff to other brands. I've
bought top-of-the-line good-name stuff that has lasted two hours, and
I've bought no-name stuff that has lasted years of hard use.

2. Don't buy cheap.

3. Don't buy under-powered.

The Homelite had the biggest engine, and was actually the most
expensive chain saw Menard's sells. It was easy to start, easy to
run, and made quick work of what I needed to cut -- which was branches
up to 9 inches in diameter.

If I'm lucky, I'll use it MAYBE once per year, probably less. At that
rate, it will last me a lifetime.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jim Macklin]

Sounds like a good blonde joke.


"Alan Gerber" > wrote in message
...
| wrote:
| > no... wait... the snow
| > plow STILL hasn't been down our road and the drifts are
now over 4"
| > deep.
|
| > We've been housebound all day, but we have electricity
and heat.
|
| Please tell me that was a typo, and you mean four FEET
deep, not four
| inches!
|
| Being housebound in four-inch snow is kind of like having
to spend the
| night on an escalator due to a power failure.
|
| ... Alan
| --
| Alan Gerber
| PP-ASEL
| gerber AT panix DOT com

[Jim Macklin]

But then you get to "solve" that problem. Of course the
Russians ands Chinese will claim it is a weapon. The impact
statement will be 3 million pages and that will require an
impact statement to justify the wood pulp.

The point is that it is beyond human control and our effect
is miniscule.

Water is the major greenhouse gas and water absorbs CO2.
Carbon is locked in rock made by sea life such as corals and
oysters.

Making concrete releases a lot of that CO2. So does
volcanic activity.

We could all die and the world would still get hotter and
colder in a long cycle. But who would know or care?

Just as long as Al Gore gets his Oscar and Art Bell talks to
abductees.

Me, I want to date Buffy and her sister.


"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
|
| "Jim Macklin"> wrote
|
| > It should, after all we could place large set of louvers
or
| > blinds in an orbit to shade the Earth, or learn to
control
| > the Sun. Besides, when has funding depended on rational
| > thought, it is all about the children.
|
| IF you could actually do this, (the problems and costs are
immense, and most
| of the technology is far from existing) what is to keep
this from creating a
| problem as large as the possible threat from global
warming.
|
| Remember the dark ages? Famine, wholesale crop failures?
All because the
| solar cycle did not keep the earth within the ideal
temperature range, by a
| couple degrees.
|
| Climatic science is far from a perfected science. We
still do not know more
| than we know.
|
| For example, we could prevent the buildup of a few
degrees, and when the
| solar cycle swings the other way, everything could be too
cold. If there
| was some extra heat around, the cool-down might just bring
us back to
| normal. Lots of variables, when we don't even know what
the equation is.
| --
| Jim in NC
|
|

[Montblack]

("Dan Luke" wrote)
> Brrr!
>
> "...can't for the life of me figure out what you guys see in the
> coasts..."
>
> --Jay Honeck in r.a.owning


A classic :-)


Montblack

[Montblack]

("Jim Macklin" wrote)
> Personally, we should have kept the B2 and B1s flying and taken out Iran's
> military too. We may still have to do that.


Yeah, if you insist on finding battlefields to fight on. It's all about the
mosques...

Now what are you going to do?


Montblack

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Jose" <> wrote
>
> That's the first I'd heard of that particular cause. Got a cite?

I saw it on a Discovery Channel show, a while back.
--
Jim in NC

[Matt Whiting]

Jay Honeck wrote:

>>I hate to burst your bubble, but I was a professional logger for several
>>years and there is no such thing as a nice Homelite. :-)
>>
>>If it isn't a Stihl, it isn't a chainsaw. :-)
>
>
> Actually, I was talking with an experienced chain saw owner/user, as
> he and I were selecting the Homelite, and we both came to the
> following conclusion, after years of buying home-use yard tools:
>
> 1. The names no long mean anything. Most lawn tools are now made by
> two or three companies, who sell their stuff to other brands. I've
> bought top-of-the-line good-name stuff that has lasted two hours, and
> I've bought no-name stuff that has lasted years of hard use.
>
> 2. Don't buy cheap.
>
> 3. Don't buy under-powered.
>
> The Homelite had the biggest engine, and was actually the most
> expensive chain saw Menard's sells. It was easy to start, easy to
> run, and made quick work of what I needed to cut -- which was branches
> up to 9 inches in diameter.
>
> If I'm lucky, I'll use it MAYBE once per year, probably less. At that
> rate, it will last me a lifetime.

This isn't true with chain saws. The biggest problem is that after a
couple of years, especially if not used frequently, the cheap saws tend
to get very hard to start. My Stihl often sits a year between uses as I
tend to cut and split 7-10 cord each year all in one month or so, yet it
still fires up in 3-5 pulls.

We tried every brand known to man when I was logging as the owner always
wanted to save a buck. McCulloch was the worst with Homelite close
behind along with Poulan, John Deere and several others (I think many of
the cheap saws are just rebranded as with most appliances).

Only three brands really held up at all in the woods: Stihl, Jonsereds
and Husqvarna. These are all solid saws, but the Sthihl's held up the
best. The only way we ever lost a Stihl was to drop a tree on it or run
over it with a log skidder. We NEVER wore out a Stihl engine and we had
some saws that probably had 8,000 hours on them (4-6 years of 8-5
operation 5 days a week). That is just amazing for a two-stroke engine.

I've always wondered by the aviation two-strokes were so unreliable as
Stihl certainly proved to me that two-strokes could be very reliable and
very durable.


Matt

[Matt Barrow[_3_]]

"Chris" > wrote in message
...
>
>>
>> BTW, I am no expert on this,
>
> you are so right there - you are no expert, better leave it to those who
> have spent a lifetime studying the matter.

That doesn't necessarily entail that they are HONEST, especially with
$$$Billions in grants, etc., for coming to the right, preordained
conclusions.

[Matt Barrow[_3_]]

"Alan Gerber" > wrote in message
...
> wrote:
>> no... wait... the snow
>> plow STILL hasn't been down our road and the drifts are now over 4"
>> deep.
>
>> We've been housebound all day, but we have electricity and heat.
>
> Please tell me that was a typo, and you mean four FEET deep, not four
> inches!
>
> Being housebound in four-inch snow is kind of like having to spend the
> night on an escalator due to a power failure.

Or locking your keys in the car with the windows open.

[Jim Macklin]

Or locks on a cloth top convertible.



"Matt Barrow" > wrote in message
...
| "Alan Gerber" > wrote in message
| ...
| > wrote:
| >> no... wait... the snow
| >> plow STILL hasn't been down our road and the drifts are
now over 4"
| >> deep.
| >
| >> We've been housebound all day, but we have electricity
and heat.
| >
| > Please tell me that was a typo, and you mean four FEET
deep, not four
| > inches!
| >
| > Being housebound in four-inch snow is kind of like
having to spend the
| > night on an escalator due to a power failure.
|
| Or locking your keys in the car with the windows open.
|
|

[Jay Honeck]

> > Brrr!
>
> > "...can't for the life of me figure out what you guys see in the
> > coasts..."
>
> > --Jay Honeck in r.a.owning
>
> A classic :-)

What, the coasts don't get ice storms?

Must be talking about the Gulf coast...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Dallas]

On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 22:00:00 -0500, Jose wrote:

> That's the first I'd heard of that particular cause. Got a cite?

This might help:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age


--
Dallas

[Dallas]

On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 21:38:11 -0600, Jim Macklin wrote:

> Just as long as Al Gore gets his Oscar

(02/26/2007 day after the Oscars)... Good call!

--
Dallas

[Peter Dohm]

> >>
> >> BTW, I am no expert on this,
> >
> > you are so right there - you are no expert, better leave it to those who
> > have spent a lifetime studying the matter.
>
> That doesn't necessarily entail that they are HONEST, especially with
> $$$Billions in grants, etc., for coming to the right, preordained
> conclusions.
>
that does seem to be the problem!

Peter

[Jim Macklin]

The Ivory Coast



"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
oups.com...
|> > Brrr!
| >
| > > "...can't for the life of me figure out what you guys
see in the
| > > coasts..."
| >
| > > --Jay Honeck in r.a.owning
| >
| > A classic :-)
|
| What, the coasts don't get ice storms?
|
| Must be talking about the Gulf coast...
| --
| Jay Honeck
| Iowa City, IA
| Pathfinder N56993
| www.AlexisParkInn.com
| "Your Aviation Destination"
|
|
|

[Jim Macklin]

It was ordained, The Inconvenient Truth is that Gore can't
explain how an SUV makes Mars warmer, new spots on Jupiter,
etc, etc.


"Dallas" > wrote in message
...
| On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 21:38:11 -0600, Jim Macklin wrote:
|
| > Just as long as Al Gore gets his Oscar
|
| (02/26/2007 day after the Oscars)... Good call!
|
| --
| Dallas

[Blueskies]

"Montblack" > wrote in message ...
: ("Jim Macklin" wrote)
: > Personally, we should have kept the B2 and B1s flying and taken out Iran's
: > military too. We may still have to do that.
:
:
: Yeah, if you insist on finding battlefields to fight on. It's all about the
: mosques...
:
: Now what are you going to do?
:
:
: Montblack
:
:

Mosque quitos?

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Matt Whiting" > wrote

> This isn't true with chain saws. The biggest problem is that after a
> couple of years, especially if not used frequently, the cheap saws tend to
> get very hard to start. My Stihl often sits a year between uses as I tend
> to cut and split 7-10 cord each year all in one month or so, yet it still
> fires up in 3-5 pulls.

Things change, over the years.

It is impossible to justify buying a saw at three times the cost, when you
can get a decent saw that will start reliably.

I have a Pouland that gets one or two tanks run through it, every year, or
sometimes two. It is around 6 years old, and I can guarantee that I could
go out to the cold shed, put fresh gas in it, and it would start on the
third pull.

Not everyone needs a lumberjack saw. That's the facts.
--
Jim in NC

[Montblack]

("Morgans" wrote)
> Not everyone needs a lumberjack saw. That's the facts.


But if he's got a lumberjack saw, ...he's ok? <g>


Montyblack

[Jim Macklin]

Be safe, if you are using a chainsaw on ice covered ground,
have spikes on your boots. Kevlar chaps and hearing and eye
protection, too.
If you only have a few trees, an axe will get the job done
and keep Al Gore happy [if that matters].


"Montblack" > wrote
in message ...
| ("Morgans" wrote)
| > Not everyone needs a lumberjack saw. That's the facts.
|
|
| But if he's got a lumberjack saw, ...he's ok? <g>
|
|
| Montyblack
|
|

[Matt Whiting]

Morgans wrote:

> "Matt Whiting" > wrote
>
>
>>This isn't true with chain saws. The biggest problem is that after a
>>couple of years, especially if not used frequently, the cheap saws tend to
>>get very hard to start. My Stihl often sits a year between uses as I tend
>>to cut and split 7-10 cord each year all in one month or so, yet it still
>>fires up in 3-5 pulls.
>
>
> Things change, over the years.
>
> It is impossible to justify buying a saw at three times the cost, when you
> can get a decent saw that will start reliably.
>
> I have a Pouland that gets one or two tanks run through it, every year, or
> sometimes two. It is around 6 years old, and I can guarantee that I could
> go out to the cold shed, put fresh gas in it, and it would start on the
> third pull.

Never heard of a Pouland. We tried a Poulan once, but that was a junk
saw after less than a month.

Actually, the price premium for a Stihl is often less than 50% and never
even close to 3X the cost. You obviously haven't checked prices.

Matt

[Matt Whiting]

Jim Macklin wrote:

> Be safe, if you are using a chainsaw on ice covered ground,
> have spikes on your boots. Kevlar chaps and hearing and eye
> protection, too.

Absolutely. Chainsaws are amazing tools, but also can cause amazing
damage given one second of complacency.


> If you only have a few trees, an axe will get the job done
> and keep Al Gore happy [if that matters].

Axes are nearly as danagerous as chain saws, especially in the hands of
a person who uses an axe once a year or so. And if using my chain saw
bothers Algore, I'll go out and fire it up right now! :-)

Matt

[Matt Whiting]

Montblack wrote:

> ("Morgans" wrote)
>
>>Not everyone needs a lumberjack saw. That's the facts.
>
>
>
> But if he's got a lumberjack saw, ...he's ok? <g>
>
>
> Montyblack

You sure that isn't Mountblack?

Matt

[Jay Honeck]

> Absolutely. Chainsaws are amazing tools, but also can cause amazing
> damage given one second of complacency.

I know. After years of working with woodworking tools (routers,
planers, table saws, etc.) I've developed a remarkable respect for
whirling metal things.

My 16 year old son begged me to let him try the chain saw, and I
eventually relented -- but not till after a 10 minute lecture on
safety.

He did fine -- but it was like watching Mary sky-dive... Not good for
the digestion.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Matt Barrow[_3_]]

"Montblack" > wrote in message
...
> ("Morgans" wrote)
>> Not everyone needs a lumberjack saw. That's the facts.
>
>
> But if he's got a lumberjack saw, ...he's ok? <g>
>

He's a lumberjack and he's okay
He sleeps all night and he works all day.

[Roy Smith]

In article >,
"Matt Barrow" > wrote:

> "Montblack" > wrote in message
> ...
> > ("Morgans" wrote)
> >> Not everyone needs a lumberjack saw. That's the facts.
> >
> >
> > But if he's got a lumberjack saw, ...he's ok? <g>
> >
>
> He's a lumberjack and he's okay
> He sleeps all night and he works all day.

He cuts down trees,
He eats his lunch,
He goes to the lavat'ry

[Matt Barrow[_3_]]

"Jim Macklin" > wrote in message
...
> Or locks on a cloth top convertible.
>

My brother locked his keys in his motorcycle.

>
> "Matt Barrow" > wrote in message
> ...
> | "Alan Gerber" > wrote in message
> | ...
> | > wrote:
> | >> no... wait... the snow
> | >> plow STILL hasn't been down our road and the drifts are
> now over 4"
> | >> deep.
> | >
> | >> We've been housebound all day, but we have electricity
> and heat.
> | >
> | > Please tell me that was a typo, and you mean four FEET
> deep, not four
> | > inches!
> | >
> | > Being housebound in four-inch snow is kind of like
> having to spend the
> | > night on an escalator due to a power failure.
> |
> | Or locking your keys in the car with the windows open.
> |
> |
>
>

[Montblack]

("Matt Barrow" wrote)
> My brother locked his keys in his motorcycle.


My gal got locked out of her sister's old Ford Exploder because the remote
control key fob was low on batteries.

I laughed.


Montblack
And I was able to laugh ....because it wasn't me!

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Matt Whiting" > wrote
>
> Absolutely. Chainsaws are amazing tools, but also can cause amazing
> damage given one second of complacency.

Absolutely positively.

I have my own near miss chainsaw story, from long ago.

I was standing on a very steep hill, of a 45 degree angle or more. The tree
I was cutting down was not that big, but I needed to reposition myself, and
stopped cutting and took the saw out of the cut.

My complacency was that the saw needed adjusting, and I had to keep jazzing
the throttle to keep it running. Big mistake.

Of course, the chain keeps going while you are jazzing the throttle. As I
repositioned, I suddenly saw orange from my International Orange overalls
fly (required aviation content <g>) into the air. The saw got too close to
my leg, but the good thing is that it just touched my clothes, without even
getting down to my jeans.

Needless to say, I stopped and adjusted the saw.
--
Jim in NC

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Matt Whiting" > wrote

> Never heard of a Pouland. We tried a Poulan once, but that was a junk saw
> after less than a month.

So sorry about the spelling. I didn't go out and look at the saw. As far
as the junk, I don't know what the year was, and if they had changed plants,
or if it was made on a Friday, or what. Mine is the second I have owned
over the years, and they have both been of good quality. Again, I don't use
it often.
>
> Actually, the price premium for a Stihl is often less than 50% and never
> even close to 3X the cost. You obviously haven't checked prices.

You are right; I have not checked prices lately, since I do not need another
saw. I still would not pay twice as much when I bought it, for capability I
do not need.

Some like Ford, some like Chevy. That's life. Everyone has their
preferences. I know some that would not buy anything but a Huskavarna. I
probably butchered that name, too.
--
Jim in NC

[Jim Macklin]

Axes are dangerous, but if all you're going to do is lop a
few branches and makes some smaller tree trunks light enough
to move, and axe can do the job for $20 or so given some
time. You also need to be able to swing it.

But a dull axe is a real pain to use. It is also dangerous
because it can fail to bite and skip off the log and if
anyone is close, make a real bad cut or kill them. Lots of
room needed.

Chain saws need to be sharp too. If you don't control the
cut, it can swing into a leg or arm and do a 1 second
amputation that will be very hard to put back. The Kevlar
vests and leggings are designed jam the chain and stall the
saw before it gets to the bone..

And you can get frame or buck saw. It all depends on how
much time you want to trade for money.


I think more chain saws are ruined by improper chain oiling
and the engines are ruined by too much or no oil in the
fuel. Also saw dust can block the cooling fins and the saw
will over-heat and destroy the piston and warp the head.


"Matt Whiting" > wrote in message
...
| Jim Macklin wrote:
|
| > Be safe, if you are using a chainsaw on ice covered
ground,
| > have spikes on your boots. Kevlar chaps and hearing and
eye
| > protection, too.
|
| Absolutely. Chainsaws are amazing tools, but also can
cause amazing
| damage given one second of complacency.
|
|
| > If you only have a few trees, an axe will get the job
done
| > and keep Al Gore happy [if that matters].
|
| Axes are nearly as danagerous as chain saws, especially in
the hands of
| a person who uses an axe once a year or so. And if using
my chain saw
| bothers Algore, I'll go out and fire it up right now! :-)
|
| Matt