747-400 questions

[Mxsmanic]

Two things bothering me lately:

1. Sometimes when I autostart 2 and 3 after starting 1 and 4, I get an alarm
as I pull the start switch or when I pull the start button. However, there's
no message on the MFD or anything, so I can't figure out what they aircraft is
complaining about. I haven't been able to find a reason in the documentation.
Does anyone know what would cause an annunicator to go off when I start 2 or
3?

2. Is there any way to turn off all heading modes in the MCP? That is,
neither SEL nor HOLD nor LNAV nor anything else. The idea being that I could
use the autopilot to hold altitude but I could still steer the aircraft by
hand. Right now I can turn by hand, but the autopilot will turn me back to
the previous heading as soon as I release the controls.

3. If I throttle up to 70% and engage TOGA to take off, per the documentation,
the autothrottle seems to set the throttle mighty low. This happens when I'm
lightly loaded and I still reach rotation speed and all. Is this normal
behavior of the autothrottle if rotation speed is low on a lightly loaded
aircraft, or am I doing something wrong? If I don't touch the throttles and
just press the TOGA switch, I seem to get full throttle (although then I also
get an excessive pitch up and climb rate sometimes). What mistake(s) am I
making?

4. How can I find an optimal throttle setting for taxi? It seems I'm always
either accelerating or decelerating. I'm also surprised at how far I have to
advance the throttles just to get moving (and then once I'm moving, I have to
throttle back to avoid constant acceleration).

This is all in the PMDG 747-400, not the default one.

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[Rip]

Mxsmanic wrote:
> Two things bothering me lately:
>
> 1. Sometimes when I autostart 2 and 3 after starting 1 and 4, I get an alarm
> as I pull the start switch or when I pull the start button. However, there's
> no message on the MFD or anything, so I can't figure out what they aircraft is
> complaining about. I haven't been able to find a reason in the documentation.
> Does anyone know what would cause an annunicator to go off when I start 2 or
> 3?
>
> 2. Is there any way to turn off all heading modes in the MCP? That is,
> neither SEL nor HOLD nor LNAV nor anything else. The idea being that I could
> use the autopilot to hold altitude but I could still steer the aircraft by
> hand. Right now I can turn by hand, but the autopilot will turn me back to
> the previous heading as soon as I release the controls.
>
> 3. If I throttle up to 70% and engage TOGA to take off, per the documentation,
> the autothrottle seems to set the throttle mighty low. This happens when I'm
> lightly loaded and I still reach rotation speed and all. Is this normal
> behavior of the autothrottle if rotation speed is low on a lightly loaded
> aircraft, or am I doing something wrong? If I don't touch the throttles and
> just press the TOGA switch, I seem to get full throttle (although then I also
> get an excessive pitch up and climb rate sometimes). What mistake(s) am I
> making?
>
> 4. How can I find an optimal throttle setting for taxi? It seems I'm always
> either accelerating or decelerating. I'm also surprised at how far I have to
> advance the throttles just to get moving (and then once I'm moving, I have to
> throttle back to avoid constant acceleration).
>
> This is all in the PMDG 747-400, not the default one.
>
Anthony (aka mzsmanic; alias simpilot). In another post you stated (and
I quote), "I do not make spelling mistakes".

The most cursory perusal of this, your most recent post, reveals that
again you have misrepresented yourself. Please correct your errors,
apologise for your previous lie, and hope for some empathic souls to
take note of your pathetic existence so that they may bring themselves
to provide an answer to your misguided question.

Rip

[[email protected]]

On Feb 24, 6:34 pm, Mxsmanic > wrote:
> Two things bothering me lately:
>
> 1. Sometimes when I autostart 2 and 3 after starting 1 and 4, I get an alarm
> as I pull the start switch or when I pull the start button. However, there's
> no message on the MFD or anything, so I can't figure out what they aircraft is
> complaining about. I haven't been able to find a reason in the documentation.
> Does anyone know what would cause an annunicator to go off when I start 2 or
> 3?
>
> 2. Is there any way to turn off all heading modes in the MCP? That is,
> neither SEL nor HOLD nor LNAV nor anything else. The idea being that I could
> use the autopilot to hold altitude but I could still steer the aircraft by
> hand. Right now I can turn by hand, but the autopilot will turn me back to
> the previous heading as soon as I release the controls.
>
> 3. If I throttle up to 70% and engage TOGA to take off, per the documentation,
> the autothrottle seems to set the throttle mighty low. This happens when I'm
> lightly loaded and I still reach rotation speed and all. Is this normal
> behavior of the autothrottle if rotation speed is low on a lightly loaded
> aircraft, or am I doing something wrong? If I don't touch the throttles and
> just press the TOGA switch, I seem to get full throttle (although then I also
> get an excessive pitch up and climb rate sometimes). What mistake(s) am I
> making?
>
> 4. How can I find an optimal throttle setting for taxi? It seems I'm always
> either accelerating or decelerating. I'm also surprised at how far I have to
> advance the throttles just to get moving (and then once I'm moving, I have to
> throttle back to avoid constant acceleration).
>
> This is all in the PMDG 747-400, not the default one.
>
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Consult the operations manual published by Boeing. Every operator of
a 747-400 is issued a copy with purchase of the airplane...

[BT]

>> I'm also surprised at how far I have to
>> advance the throttles just to get moving (and then once I'm moving, I
>> have to
>> throttle back to avoid constant acceleration).
>>

That's how it is in real airplanes.

BT

[Mxsmanic]

BT writes:

> That's how it is in real airplanes.

Good; I like realism. But is there any technique to finding the right
throttle setting? The 747 seems particularly prone to this (as compared to a
737).

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[Mxsmanic]

writes:

> Consult the operations manual published by Boeing. Every operator of
> a 747-400 is issued a copy with purchase of the airplane...

Actually, that depends on the contract.

However, I don't have access to Boeing's manuals.

I guess there are no 747 pilots here.

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[YaguMac]

Mxsmanic wrote:
> writes:
>
> > Consult the operations manual published by Boeing. Every operator of
> > a 747-400 is issued a copy with purchase of the airplane...
>
> Actually, that depends on the contract.
>
> However, I don't have access to Boeing's manuals.
>
> I guess there are no 747 pilots here.
>
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Guess you need to buy a Mac Flight game

yagu

[Mxsmanic]

YaguMac writes:

> Guess you need to buy a Mac Flight game

I need to find intelligent people who know what they are talking about and can
answer my questions.

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[Not4wood]

Again, I'll have to explain things to MXS:

Side note: Way too many of the members of this great Usenet group agmfs
have put you in there kill files and wont see this. I am crossposting this
for the benefit of the RL Pilots who we have heard that you have ****ed off
as well. I never intentionally cross post until now where I feel I have to
inform the RL counterpart to this group about the latest events..

You've calm down lately and that is a good thing. Sorry to have to tell you
this but you have annoyed way too many people with your arrogant quotes and
self righteous attitude. Believing yourself to be an expert and tell people
that you know something when you dont is arrogant. When you dont do
something in RL and then become an expert because you see it printed by
somebody else and take credit for it. Now, thats arrogant. When, this
group starts to hear your ****ing people off in the RL Pilots Group because
you feel a need to try to be on there level of knowledge, skill and
experience. By arguing with them the things you've picked up in here and
making the mistake that this is real life and then going back to them and
arguing the point. Thats NOT arrogant. Thats just plain stupid. The Real
Life Pilots who fly RL planes see that you do nothing, learn nothing and
experience nothing but feel you have to tell them who are the real
experienced people in the skies what they should know and do. That is
ARROGANT!

First, there are plenty of 747 Virtual Pilots here and good ones to I might
add. The problem is you have ****ed off too many of them and NO ONE wants
to help you. Get it, you've come to that point in time that now of all
things you need this group to help you after you ****ed off just about
everyone.

Now do you understand? Some of us have warned you including me. Now the
truth hurts, but you will probably rationalize your grave mistake so you
wont fully understand the implications of what you've done. Good luck to
you, where ever you go.

Pushes his chair back, and stands. Waits for a second and then bows. Now
turns and walks off into the Sunset to get his first cup of Jo this morning.

Not4wood




"Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
...
> BT writes:
>
>> That's how it is in real airplanes.
>
> Good; I like realism. But is there any technique to finding the right
> throttle setting? The 747 seems particularly prone to this (as compared
> to a
> 737).
>
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[John Ward[_2_]]

Hi Not4wood,

"... you have ****ed off too many of them and NO ONE wants to help you.
...."

I'll try though, just this once.

If Mxsmanic has "calmed down", as you put it, or feels differently about
things these days (and, I must say, I perceived the same thing), and wants
to participate in the n/g, as all the rest of us do, then one thing he could
do is change his moniker, and start afresh, safe in the knowledge that
everyone would have the good grace not to trace him (even though, no matter
what anyone calls themselves, you get to be able to identify people by their
posts, I reckon...).

Then, he would get a whole different reception...

Just a thought, but, hey, I've been wrong before, mate!

Regards,
John Ward


"Not4wood" > wrote in message
news:r4eEh.3727$iF.3506@trndny03...
> Again, I'll have to explain things to MXS:
>
> Side note: Way too many of the members of this great Usenet group agmfs
> have put you in there kill files and wont see this. I am crossposting
> this for the benefit of the RL Pilots who we have heard that you have
> ****ed off as well. I never intentionally cross post until now where I
> feel I have to inform the RL counterpart to this group about the latest
> events..
>
> You've calm down lately and that is a good thing. Sorry to have to tell
> you this but you have annoyed way too many people with your arrogant
> quotes and self righteous attitude. Believing yourself to be an expert
> and tell people that you know something when you dont is arrogant. When
> you dont do something in RL and then become an expert because you see it
> printed by somebody else and take credit for it. Now, thats arrogant.
> When, this group starts to hear your ****ing people off in the RL Pilots
> Group because you feel a need to try to be on there level of knowledge,
> skill and experience. By arguing with them the things you've picked up in
> here and making the mistake that this is real life and then going back to
> them and arguing the point. Thats NOT arrogant. Thats just plain stupid.
> The Real Life Pilots who fly RL planes see that you do nothing, learn
> nothing and experience nothing but feel you have to tell them who are the
> real experienced people in the skies what they should know and do. That
> is ARROGANT!
>
> First, there are plenty of 747 Virtual Pilots here and good ones to I
> might add. The problem is you have ****ed off too many of them and NO ONE
> wants to help you. Get it, you've come to that point in time that now of
> all things you need this group to help you after you ****ed off just about
> everyone.
>
> Now do you understand? Some of us have warned you including me. Now the
> truth hurts, but you will probably rationalize your grave mistake so you
> wont fully understand the implications of what you've done. Good luck to
> you, where ever you go.
>
> Pushes his chair back, and stands. Waits for a second and then bows. Now
> turns and walks off into the Sunset to get his first cup of Jo this
> morning.
>
> Not4wood
>
>
>
>
> "Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
> ...
>> BT writes:
>>
>>> That's how it is in real airplanes.
>>
>> Good; I like realism. But is there any technique to finding the right
>> throttle setting? The 747 seems particularly prone to this (as compared
>> to a
>> 737).
>>
>> --
>> Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.
>
>

[Not4wood]

Hey JW,

I just peaked inside RAP for the first time because of all the commotion
thats gone on because of MX Manic depressed. I cant believe the level of
anger that he has caused in RAP.

Some people are still trying to be nice but he goes and says stupid things
to **** them off also.

Let me introduce myself to the RAP. I am an msfs pilot only. But I do fly
(passenger) and have been in a Beaver for a flight around the mountains of
Mt McKinley this past summer. I cant express how breathtaking it was and
how amazing being in a real plane trying to hear each other over the sound
of the screaming single engine are.

I have heard mentioned (in here) that learning to fly is not expensive. It
is where I live (in New York), but because of my eyes I know that I wont be
able to pass any physical exams for my PPL. So my only choices are to do
what I did when I was younger. Sit on the closest place to an end of the
runway and watch, or sit in a chair and fly on FS9 and dream. Some or
actually most of us on alt.games.microsoft.flight-sim try to learn and
experience why and how about aviation. But we do know its not real life.
Learning to fly isnt just controlling the plane, but being able to handle
all the other situations that can happen. Control Stalls, engine out, using
the radios, plotting routes with weather patterns, worrying which part is
going to fail next and how long the plane will be out of commission waiting
for the parts etc. But the most I feel is what we are really not
experiencing and no matter how hard we try our little corner of the FS world
wont let us. That is looking out the window and seeing this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/TIA2077/Alaska/IMG_0342.jpg

Yup, on approach to landing on that big piece of Glacier. The Beaver had
skies.

enough said.

Mark G
Not4wood


"John Ward" > wrote in message
...
> Hi Not4wood,
>
> "... you have ****ed off too many of them and NO ONE wants to help you.
> ..."
>
> I'll try though, just this once.
>
> If Mxsmanic has "calmed down", as you put it, or feels differently
> about things these days (and, I must say, I perceived the same thing), and
> wants to participate in the n/g, as all the rest of us do, then one thing
> he could do is change his moniker, and start afresh, safe in the knowledge
> that everyone would have the good grace not to trace him (even though, no
> matter what anyone calls themselves, you get to be able to identify people
> by their posts, I reckon...).
>
> Then, he would get a whole different reception...
>
> Just a thought, but, hey, I've been wrong before, mate!
>
> Regards,
> John Ward
>
>
> "Not4wood" > wrote in message
> news:r4eEh.3727$iF.3506@trndny03...
>> Again, I'll have to explain things to MXS:
>>
>> Side note: Way too many of the members of this great Usenet group agmfs
>> have put you in there kill files and wont see this. I am crossposting
>> this for the benefit of the RL Pilots who we have heard that you have
>> ****ed off as well. I never intentionally cross post until now where I
>> feel I have to inform the RL counterpart to this group about the latest
>> events..
>>
>> You've calm down lately and that is a good thing. Sorry to have to tell
>> you this but you have annoyed way too many people with your arrogant
>> quotes and self righteous attitude. Believing yourself to be an expert
>> and tell people that you know something when you dont is arrogant. When
>> you dont do something in RL and then become an expert because you see it
>> printed by somebody else and take credit for it. Now, thats arrogant.
>> When, this group starts to hear your ****ing people off in the RL Pilots
>> Group because you feel a need to try to be on there level of knowledge,
>> skill and experience. By arguing with them the things you've picked up
>> in here and making the mistake that this is real life and then going back
>> to them and arguing the point. Thats NOT arrogant. Thats just plain
>> stupid. The Real Life Pilots who fly RL planes see that you do nothing,
>> learn nothing and experience nothing but feel you have to tell them who
>> are the real experienced people in the skies what they should know and
>> do. That is ARROGANT!
>>
>> First, there are plenty of 747 Virtual Pilots here and good ones to I
>> might add. The problem is you have ****ed off too many of them and NO
>> ONE wants to help you. Get it, you've come to that point in time that
>> now of all things you need this group to help you after you ****ed off
>> just about everyone.
>>
>> Now do you understand? Some of us have warned you including me. Now the
>> truth hurts, but you will probably rationalize your grave mistake so you
>> wont fully understand the implications of what you've done. Good luck to
>> you, where ever you go.
>>
>> Pushes his chair back, and stands. Waits for a second and then bows.
>> Now turns and walks off into the Sunset to get his first cup of Jo this
>> morning.
>>
>> Not4wood
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> BT writes:
>>>
>>>> That's how it is in real airplanes.
>>>
>>> Good; I like realism. But is there any technique to finding the right
>>> throttle setting? The 747 seems particularly prone to this (as compared
>>> to a
>>> 737).
>>>
>>> --
>>> Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.
>>
>>
>
>

[Bob Noel]

In article <ZhfEh.6007$2u.4703@trndny04>,
"Not4wood" > wrote:

> I have heard mentioned (in here) that learning to fly is not expensive. It
> is where I live (in New York), but because of my eyes I know that I wont be
> able to pass any physical exams for my PPL.

Without wanting to pry into your vision issues, have you talked to an AME
(FAA medical examiner) about whether or not you'd qualify for a third class
medical?

http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=5b6818c972b4d692406916cf
c0604324&rgn=div5&view=text&node=14:2.0.1.1.5&idno=14

"Eye standards for a third-class airman medical certificate are:

(a) Distant visual acuity of 20/40 or better in each eye separately, with or
without corrective lenses. If corrective lenses (spectacles or contact lenses)
are necessary for 20/40 vision, the person may be eligible only on the condition
that corrective lenses are worn while exercising the privileges of an airman
certificate.

(b) Near vision of 20/40 or better, Snellen equivalent, at 16 inches in each eye
separately, with or without corrective lenses.

(c) Ability to perceive those colors necessary for the safe performance of
airman duties.

(d) No acute or chronic pathological condition of either eye or adnexa that
interferes with the proper function of an eye, that may reasonably be expected
to progress to that degree, or that may reasonably be expected to be aggravated
by flying. "

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

[Tony]

The sim game player in question likes seeing his handle in the news
group. This non-pilot has made, according to Google, over 500 postings
this month, about 3 times as many as the next most frequent poster.

Try to ignore him. It's difficult, I know, not to point out the errors
he makes, but try.




On Feb 25, 6:43 am, "John Ward" > wrote:
> Hi Not4wood,
>
> "... you have ****ed off too many of them and NO ONE wants to help you.
> ..."
>
> I'll try though, just this once.
>
> If Mxsmanic has "calmed down", as you put it, or feels differently about
> things these days (and, I must say, I perceived the same thing), and wants
> to participate in the n/g, as all the rest of us do, then one thing he could
> do is change his moniker, and start afresh, safe in the knowledge that
> everyone would have the good grace not to trace him (even though, no matter
> what anyone calls themselves, you get to be able to identify people by their
> posts, I reckon...).
>
> Then, he would get a whole different reception...
>
> Just a thought, but, hey, I've been wrong before, mate!
>
> Regards,
> John Ward
>
> "Not4wood" > wrote in message
>
> news:r4eEh.3727$iF.3506@trndny03...
>
>
>
> > Again, I'll have to explain things to MXS:
>
> > Side note: Way too many of the members of this great Usenet group agmfs
> > have put you in there kill files and wont see this. I am crossposting
> > this for the benefit of the RL Pilots who we have heard that you have
> > ****ed off as well. I never intentionally cross post until now where I
> > feel I have to inform the RL counterpart to this group about the latest
> > events..
>
> > You've calm down lately and that is a good thing. Sorry to have to tell
> > you this but you have annoyed way too many people with your arrogant
> > quotes and self righteous attitude. Believing yourself to be an expert
> > and tell people that you know something when you dont is arrogant. When
> > you dont do something in RL and then become an expert because you see it
> > printed by somebody else and take credit for it. Now, thats arrogant.
> > When, this group starts to hear your ****ing people off in the RL Pilots
> > Group because you feel a need to try to be on there level of knowledge,
> > skill and experience. By arguing with them the things you've picked up in
> > here and making the mistake that this is real life and then going back to
> > them and arguing the point. Thats NOT arrogant. Thats just plain stupid.
> > The Real Life Pilots who fly RL planes see that you do nothing, learn
> > nothing and experience nothing but feel you have to tell them who are the
> > real experienced people in the skies what they should know and do. That
> > is ARROGANT!
>
> > First, there are plenty of 747 Virtual Pilots here and good ones to I
> > might add. The problem is you have ****ed off too many of them and NO ONE
> > wants to help you. Get it, you've come to that point in time that now of
> > all things you need this group to help you after you ****ed off just about
> > everyone.
>
> > Now do you understand? Some of us have warned you including me. Now the
> > truth hurts, but you will probably rationalize your grave mistake so you
> > wont fully understand the implications of what you've done. Good luck to
> > you, where ever you go.
>
> > Pushes his chair back, and stands. Waits for a second and then bows. Now
> > turns and walks off into the Sunset to get his first cup of Jo this
> > morning.
>
> > Not4wood
>
> > "Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> BT writes:
>
> >>> That's how it is in real airplanes.
>
> >> Good; I like realism. But is there any technique to finding the right
> >> throttle setting? The 747 seems particularly prone to this (as compared
> >> to a
> >> 737).
>
> >> --
> >> Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

[Not4wood]

Yes, I was at an Optician/Eye Doctor (I forgot exactly what his title was)
getting my eyes done and I happened to mention to him about me trying to
take the eye test for the FAA. He looked at me and gave me the test right
there.

I have a lazy eye, and the vision is so poor it prevents me from seeing
clearly from about 8 inches and better in this one eye. I can see movements
on the peripheral but thats about it. Its not so bad I do see everything
but with no detail. I have no 3 dimensional judgment because of this. The
example would be catching a ball. If the ball is coming straight toward me
I cant make even a slight judgment to catch it. If I can twist or move
slightly out of plane then I can grab it. Not good, and didn't let me do a
few things when I was younger but I tried. My other eye is OK, I can make
partial judgments and get by. The bad thing is my situation wont allow me
to wear those stupid 3 dimensional glasses when a bunch of us go to the
movies for anything that was in 3D. LOL

Did I pass the FAA Medical, NO not even close. So I gave up with the
thought of getting my PPL. I dont care how cheap it is, knowing I wont be
able to pass the FAA Medical will still prevent me from wasting my money on
something I wont be able to complete no matter what I score or learn on any
of the other tests. Its called beating a Dead Horse. So what do I do? I
fly on Flight Simulator instead, or I sit in another seat and watch the PIC
take the controls.

Mark G
Not4wood



"Bob Noel" > wrote in message
...
> In article <ZhfEh.6007$2u.4703@trndny04>,
> "Not4wood" > wrote:
>
>> I have heard mentioned (in here) that learning to fly is not expensive.
>> It
>> is where I live (in New York), but because of my eyes I know that I wont
>> be
>> able to pass any physical exams for my PPL.
>
> Without wanting to pry into your vision issues, have you talked to an AME
> (FAA medical examiner) about whether or not you'd qualify for a third
> class
> medical?
>
> http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=5b6818c972b4d692406916cf
> c0604324&rgn=div5&view=text&node=14:2.0.1.1.5&idno=14
>
> "Eye standards for a third-class airman medical certificate are:
>
> (a) Distant visual acuity of 20/40 or better in each eye separately, with
> or
> without corrective lenses. If corrective lenses (spectacles or contact
> lenses)
> are necessary for 20/40 vision, the person may be eligible only on the
> condition
> that corrective lenses are worn while exercising the privileges of an
> airman
> certificate.
>
> (b) Near vision of 20/40 or better, Snellen equivalent, at 16 inches in
> each eye
> separately, with or without corrective lenses.
>
> (c) Ability to perceive those colors necessary for the safe performance of
> airman duties.
>
> (d) No acute or chronic pathological condition of either eye or adnexa
> that
> interferes with the proper function of an eye, that may reasonably be
> expected
> to progress to that degree, or that may reasonably be expected to be
> aggravated
> by flying. "
>
> --
> Bob Noel
> Looking for a sig the
> lawyers will hate
>

[Mxsmanic]

Not4wood writes:

> First, there are plenty of 747 Virtual Pilots here and good ones to I might
> add.

Maybe they'll speak up. Your post is useless to me.

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[Mxsmanic]

Nomen Nescio writes:

> You also need people who give a flyin' f**k about your questions and
> don't think you're a waste of human life.

Intelligent people are uniformly members of that category.

> It looks like you've run out of those in RAP.

I'm not sure that there were any to run out of.

> Maybe it would be more effective to look elsewhere.

I posted these questions to two newsgroups. I'm still waiting for intelligent
answers. I thought it rather unlikely that 747 pilots would be on either
group, but it didn't hurt to try.

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[Mxsmanic]

Not4wood writes:

> Did I pass the FAA Medical, NO not even close. So I gave up with the
> thought of getting my PPL.

Since you've resigned yourself to the idea of never passing the medical, what
would it hurt to investigate further and see if there is any way to pass? If
the answer is no, you've not lost much (except a small amount of money), and
if the answer is yes, you've gained a great deal.

There's always the possibility that medicals will be rationalized in the
future sometime, too, although I'm not holding my breath.

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

[Viperdoc[_4_]]

Good advice- did you have similar issues on your FAA medical?

[Peter Dohm]

> Yes, I was at an Optician/Eye Doctor (I forgot exactly what his title was)
> getting my eyes done and I happened to mention to him about me trying to
> take the eye test for the FAA. He looked at me and gave me the test right
> there.
>
> I have a lazy eye, and the vision is so poor it prevents me from seeing
> clearly from about 8 inches and better in this one eye. I can see
movements
> on the peripheral but thats about it. Its not so bad I do see everything
> but with no detail. I have no 3 dimensional judgment because of this.
The
> example would be catching a ball. If the ball is coming straight toward
me
> I cant make even a slight judgment to catch it. If I can twist or move
> slightly out of plane then I can grab it. Not good, and didn't let me do
a
> few things when I was younger but I tried. My other eye is OK, I can make
> partial judgments and get by. The bad thing is my situation wont allow me
> to wear those stupid 3 dimensional glasses when a bunch of us go to the
> movies for anything that was in 3D. LOL
>
> Did I pass the FAA Medical, NO not even close. So I gave up with the
> thought of getting my PPL. I dont care how cheap it is, knowing I wont be
> able to pass the FAA Medical will still prevent me from wasting my money
on
> something I wont be able to complete no matter what I score or learn on
any
> of the other tests. Its called beating a Dead Horse. So what do I do? I
> fly on Flight Simulator instead, or I sit in another seat and watch the
PIC
> take the controls.
>
From reading your post, I am not at all convinced that you were tested
correctly.

I have personally known a pilot, with a lazy eye, who was certified with a
third class medical; and there have been many one eyed pilots, in addition
to Wiley Post, who were also certified. However, I don't know whether that
was something implicit in the normal testing procedure, or if a Statement Of
Demonstrated Ability (SODA) was required. I am not a doctor, and my own
vision complaint is simply near-sightedness, which is readily corrected to
better than 20/20 with glasses--so I have had no real motivation to research
the matter.

The best recommendation that I can give you is to attend a Wings Seminar, so
called because pilots who attend are eligible for Wings program credit
toward their bienial flight review requirement. I am not sure of the
correct name for the events, but look on http://faasafety.gov and pick
"SPANS Events and Seminars" about mid way down on the left side of the page,
then search on your zip-code and the number on miles you are willing to
travel. Many, perhaps most, of the events intended for pilots are hosted by
FAA Safety Program Coordinators from the nearest FSDO. They won't have all
of the answers, but will have excellent suggestions regarding who to call,
and I would take the opportunity to ask who is the Chief AME in your area
because that is who I would go to see--starting with a consultation BEFORE
filling out a new medical application. (The previous refusal may require
some paperwork to be accomplished much more quickly than would be practical
after you "start the clock" with a new application.)

BTW, this is also an area where an AOPA mambership can be a big asset.

Peter

P.S.: Please let us all know how you did!

[BT]

if he just gave you the eye test.. was he an FAA AME?
was any paper work turned into the FAA for a failed medical?
Can you drive a car.. and you have a US State issued drivers license?

Then look into the new Light Sport Pilot certificate.
No FAA Medical required, as long as you have never failed an FAA Medical.
If the Eye Doc was not an AME and just said, you won't pass... then you have
not failed the Medical.
If there is a failed medical on record at FAA OKC. Then you will have to
clear that with a SODA before continuing.

Never give up
BT

"Not4wood" > wrote in message
news:kHkEh.25976$kr6.12211@trndny09...
> Yes, I was at an Optician/Eye Doctor (I forgot exactly what his title was)
> getting my eyes done and I happened to mention to him about me trying to
> take the eye test for the FAA. He looked at me and gave me the test right
> there.
>
> I have a lazy eye, and the vision is so poor it prevents me from seeing
> clearly from about 8 inches and better in this one eye. I can see
> movements on the peripheral but thats about it. Its not so bad I do see
> everything but with no detail. I have no 3 dimensional judgment because
> of this. The example would be catching a ball. If the ball is coming
> straight toward me I cant make even a slight judgment to catch it. If I
> can twist or move slightly out of plane then I can grab it. Not good, and
> didn't let me do a few things when I was younger but I tried. My other
> eye is OK, I can make partial judgments and get by. The bad thing is my
> situation wont allow me to wear those stupid 3 dimensional glasses when a
> bunch of us go to the movies for anything that was in 3D. LOL
>
> Did I pass the FAA Medical, NO not even close. So I gave up with the
> thought of getting my PPL. I dont care how cheap it is, knowing I wont be
> able to pass the FAA Medical will still prevent me from wasting my money
> on something I wont be able to complete no matter what I score or learn on
> any of the other tests. Its called beating a Dead Horse. So what do I
> do? I fly on Flight Simulator instead, or I sit in another seat and watch
> the PIC take the controls.
>
> Mark G
> Not4wood
>
>
>
> "Bob Noel" > wrote in message
> ...
>> In article <ZhfEh.6007$2u.4703@trndny04>,
>> "Not4wood" > wrote:
>>
>>> I have heard mentioned (in here) that learning to fly is not expensive.
>>> It
>>> is where I live (in New York), but because of my eyes I know that I wont
>>> be
>>> able to pass any physical exams for my PPL.
>>
>> Without wanting to pry into your vision issues, have you talked to an AME
>> (FAA medical examiner) about whether or not you'd qualify for a third
>> class
>> medical?
>>
>> http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=5b6818c972b4d692406916cf
>> c0604324&rgn=div5&view=text&node=14:2.0.1.1.5&idno=14
>>
>> "Eye standards for a third-class airman medical certificate are:
>>
>> (a) Distant visual acuity of 20/40 or better in each eye separately, with
>> or
>> without corrective lenses. If corrective lenses (spectacles or contact
>> lenses)
>> are necessary for 20/40 vision, the person may be eligible only on the
>> condition
>> that corrective lenses are worn while exercising the privileges of an
>> airman
>> certificate.
>>
>> (b) Near vision of 20/40 or better, Snellen equivalent, at 16 inches in
>> each eye
>> separately, with or without corrective lenses.
>>
>> (c) Ability to perceive those colors necessary for the safe performance
>> of
>> airman duties.
>>
>> (d) No acute or chronic pathological condition of either eye or adnexa
>> that
>> interferes with the proper function of an eye, that may reasonably be
>> expected
>> to progress to that degree, or that may reasonably be expected to be
>> aggravated
>> by flying. "
>>
>> --
>> Bob Noel
>> Looking for a sig the
>> lawyers will hate
>>
>
>

[Dave[_1_]]

Ahhhhh.... In other words..

You don't know the answer(s) to Mx's questions...

:)

Dave





On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 11:05:59 GMT, "Not4wood"
> wrote:

>Again, I'll have to explain things to MXS:
>
>Side note: Way too many of the members of this great Usenet group agmfs
>have put you in there kill files and wont see this. I am crossposting this
>for the benefit of the RL Pilots who we have heard that you have ****ed off
>as well. I never intentionally cross post until now where I feel I have to
>inform the RL counterpart to this group about the latest events..
>
>You've calm down lately and that is a good thing. Sorry to have to tell you
>this but you have annoyed way too many people with your arrogant quotes and
>self righteous attitude. Believing yourself to be an expert and tell people
>that you know something when you dont is arrogant. When you dont do
>something in RL and then become an expert because you see it printed by
>somebody else and take credit for it. Now, thats arrogant. When, this
>group starts to hear your ****ing people off in the RL Pilots Group because
>you feel a need to try to be on there level of knowledge, skill and
>experience. By arguing with them the things you've picked up in here and
>making the mistake that this is real life and then going back to them and
>arguing the point. Thats NOT arrogant. Thats just plain stupid. The Real
>Life Pilots who fly RL planes see that you do nothing, learn nothing and
>experience nothing but feel you have to tell them who are the real
>experienced people in the skies what they should know and do. That is
>ARROGANT!
>
>First, there are plenty of 747 Virtual Pilots here and good ones to I might
>add. The problem is you have ****ed off too many of them and NO ONE wants
>to help you. Get it, you've come to that point in time that now of all
>things you need this group to help you after you ****ed off just about
>everyone.
>
>Now do you understand? Some of us have warned you including me. Now the
>truth hurts, but you will probably rationalize your grave mistake so you
>wont fully understand the implications of what you've done. Good luck to
>you, where ever you go.
>
>Pushes his chair back, and stands. Waits for a second and then bows. Now
>turns and walks off into the Sunset to get his first cup of Jo this morning.
>
>Not4wood
>
>
>
>
>"Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
...
>> BT writes:
>>
>>> That's how it is in real airplanes.
>>
>> Good; I like realism. But is there any technique to finding the right
>> throttle setting? The 747 seems particularly prone to this (as compared
>> to a
>> 737).
>>
>> --
>> Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.
>

[Not4wood]

No, there was no paper work on this test. He just told me that I wouldn't
pass it. No again, I really dont know if he was an FAA AME. But it seemed
to me at that time many years ago that he knew what he was talking about so
I never did question him. From what I've seen about poor eye site and some
one eyed Pilots maybe I do stand a chance for going to more information and
trying again. I'll look into it in my neck of the woods.

Yes, I can drive a car. Also, I drive a 4X4 pickup and plow the snow
without hitting or tearing up anything in site. LOL Although some of my
co-workers have torn up other cars. LOL.

Thank you all, and you've given me more hope of possibly getting my PPL.

Not4wood


"BT" > wrote in message
...
> if he just gave you the eye test.. was he an FAA AME?
> was any paper work turned into the FAA for a failed medical?
> Can you drive a car.. and you have a US State issued drivers license?
>
> Then look into the new Light Sport Pilot certificate.
> No FAA Medical required, as long as you have never failed an FAA Medical.
> If the Eye Doc was not an AME and just said, you won't pass... then you
> have not failed the Medical.
> If there is a failed medical on record at FAA OKC. Then you will have to
> clear that with a SODA before continuing.
>
> Never give up
> BT
>
> "Not4wood" > wrote in message
> news:kHkEh.25976$kr6.12211@trndny09...
>> Yes, I was at an Optician/Eye Doctor (I forgot exactly what his title
>> was) getting my eyes done and I happened to mention to him about me
>> trying to take the eye test for the FAA. He looked at me and gave me the
>> test right there.
>>
>> I have a lazy eye, and the vision is so poor it prevents me from seeing
>> clearly from about 8 inches and better in this one eye. I can see
>> movements on the peripheral but thats about it. Its not so bad I do see
>> everything but with no detail. I have no 3 dimensional judgment because
>> of this. The example would be catching a ball. If the ball is coming
>> straight toward me I cant make even a slight judgment to catch it. If I
>> can twist or move slightly out of plane then I can grab it. Not good,
>> and didn't let me do a few things when I was younger but I tried. My
>> other eye is OK, I can make partial judgments and get by. The bad thing
>> is my situation wont allow me to wear those stupid 3 dimensional glasses
>> when a bunch of us go to the movies for anything that was in 3D. LOL
>>
>> Did I pass the FAA Medical, NO not even close. So I gave up with the
>> thought of getting my PPL. I dont care how cheap it is, knowing I wont
>> be able to pass the FAA Medical will still prevent me from wasting my
>> money on something I wont be able to complete no matter what I score or
>> learn on any of the other tests. Its called beating a Dead Horse. So
>> what do I do? I fly on Flight Simulator instead, or I sit in another
>> seat and watch the PIC take the controls.
>>
>> Mark G
>> Not4wood
>>
>>
>>
>> "Bob Noel" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> In article <ZhfEh.6007$2u.4703@trndny04>,
>>> "Not4wood" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have heard mentioned (in here) that learning to fly is not expensive.
>>>> It
>>>> is where I live (in New York), but because of my eyes I know that I
>>>> wont be
>>>> able to pass any physical exams for my PPL.
>>>
>>> Without wanting to pry into your vision issues, have you talked to an
>>> AME
>>> (FAA medical examiner) about whether or not you'd qualify for a third
>>> class
>>> medical?
>>>
>>> http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=5b6818c972b4d692406916cf
>>> c0604324&rgn=div5&view=text&node=14:2.0.1.1.5&idno=14
>>>
>>> "Eye standards for a third-class airman medical certificate are:
>>>
>>> (a) Distant visual acuity of 20/40 or better in each eye separately,
>>> with or
>>> without corrective lenses. If corrective lenses (spectacles or contact
>>> lenses)
>>> are necessary for 20/40 vision, the person may be eligible only on the
>>> condition
>>> that corrective lenses are worn while exercising the privileges of an
>>> airman
>>> certificate.
>>>
>>> (b) Near vision of 20/40 or better, Snellen equivalent, at 16 inches in
>>> each eye
>>> separately, with or without corrective lenses.
>>>
>>> (c) Ability to perceive those colors necessary for the safe performance
>>> of
>>> airman duties.
>>>
>>> (d) No acute or chronic pathological condition of either eye or adnexa
>>> that
>>> interferes with the proper function of an eye, that may reasonably be
>>> expected
>>> to progress to that degree, or that may reasonably be expected to be
>>> aggravated
>>> by flying. "
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bob Noel
>>> Looking for a sig the
>>> lawyers will hate
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

[YaguMac]

Not4wood wrote:
> Hey JW,
>
> I just peaked inside RAP for the first time because of all the commotion
> thats gone on because of MX Manic depressed. I cant believe the level of
> anger that he has caused in RAP.
>
> Some people are still trying to be nice but he goes and says stupid things
> to **** them off also.
>
> Let me introduce myself to the RAP. I am an msfs pilot only. But I do fly
> (passenger) and have been in a Beaver for a flight around the mountains of
> Mt McKinley this past summer. I cant express how breathtaking it was and
> how amazing being in a real plane trying to hear each other over the sound
> of the screaming single engine are.
>
> I have heard mentioned (in here) that learning to fly is not expensive. It
> is where I live (in New York), but because of my eyes I know that I wont be
> able to pass any physical exams for my PPL. So my only choices are to do
> what I did when I was younger. Sit on the closest place to an end of the
> runway and watch, or sit in a chair and fly on FS9 and dream. Some or
> actually most of us on alt.games.microsoft.flight-sim try to learn and
> experience why and how about aviation. But we do know its not real life.
> Learning to fly isnt just controlling the plane, but being able to handle
> all the other situations that can happen. Control Stalls, engine out, using
> the radios, plotting routes with weather patterns, worrying which part is
> going to fail next and how long the plane will be out of commission waiting
> for the parts etc. But the most I feel is what we are really not
> experiencing and no matter how hard we try our little corner of the FS world
> wont let us. That is looking out the window and seeing this:
>
> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/TIA2077/Alaska/IMG_0342.jpg
>
> Yup, on approach to landing on that big piece of Glacier. The Beaver had
> skies.
>
> enough said.
>
> Mark G
> Not4wood
>
>
> "John Ward" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Hi Not4wood,
> >
> > "... you have ****ed off too many of them and NO ONE wants to help you.
> > ..."
> >
> > I'll try though, just this once.
> >
> > If Mxsmanic has "calmed down", as you put it, or feels differently
> > about things these days (and, I must say, I perceived the same thing), and
> > wants to participate in the n/g, as all the rest of us do, then one thing
> > he could do is change his moniker, and start afresh, safe in the knowledge
> > that everyone would have the good grace not to trace him (even though, no
> > matter what anyone calls themselves, you get to be able to identify people
> > by their posts, I reckon...).
> >
> > Then, he would get a whole different reception...
> >
> > Just a thought, but, hey, I've been wrong before, mate!
> >
> > Regards,
> > John Ward
> >
> >
> > "Not4wood" > wrote in message
> > news:r4eEh.3727$iF.3506@trndny03...
> >> Again, I'll have to explain things to MXS:
> >>
> >> Side note: Way too many of the members of this great Usenet group agmfs
> >> have put you in there kill files and wont see this. I am crossposting
> >> this for the benefit of the RL Pilots who we have heard that you have
> >> ****ed off as well. I never intentionally cross post until now where I
> >> feel I have to inform the RL counterpart to this group about the latest
> >> events..
> >>
> >> You've calm down lately and that is a good thing. Sorry to have to tell
> >> you this but you have annoyed way too many people with your arrogant
> >> quotes and self righteous attitude. Believing yourself to be an expert
> >> and tell people that you know something when you dont is arrogant. When
> >> you dont do something in RL and then become an expert because you see it
> >> printed by somebody else and take credit for it. Now, thats arrogant.
> >> When, this group starts to hear your ****ing people off in the RL Pilots
> >> Group because you feel a need to try to be on there level of knowledge,
> >> skill and experience. By arguing with them the things you've picked up
> >> in here and making the mistake that this is real life and then going back
> >> to them and arguing the point. Thats NOT arrogant. Thats just plain
> >> stupid. The Real Life Pilots who fly RL planes see that you do nothing,
> >> learn nothing and experience nothing but feel you have to tell them who
> >> are the real experienced people in the skies what they should know and
> >> do. That is ARROGANT!
> >>
> >> First, there are plenty of 747 Virtual Pilots here and good ones to I
> >> might add. The problem is you have ****ed off too many of them and NO
> >> ONE wants to help you. Get it, you've come to that point in time that
> >> now of all things you need this group to help you after you ****ed off
> >> just about everyone.
> >>
> >> Now do you understand? Some of us have warned you including me. Now the
> >> truth hurts, but you will probably rationalize your grave mistake so you
> >> wont fully understand the implications of what you've done. Good luck to
> >> you, where ever you go.
> >>
> >> Pushes his chair back, and stands. Waits for a second and then bows.
> >> Now turns and walks off into the Sunset to get his first cup of Jo this
> >> morning.
> >>
> >> Not4wood
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>> BT writes:
> >>>
> >>>> That's how it is in real airplanes.
> >>>
> >>> Good; I like realism. But is there any technique to finding the right
> >>> throttle setting? The 747 seems particularly prone to this (as compared
> >>> to a
> >>> 737).
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >

Awsome Picture mate!

yagu

[Not4wood]

Thanks, I was lucky. I was sitting right behind the Pilot and watching
everything he was doing. I still cant get over the fact is that he was
trimming constantly. Never stopped as if it was a nervous habit.

Even in moderate winds in a small GA craft I dont have to trim as much as he
did. Granted we ended up at about 11000 ft in a beaver. I was surprised
but then looking around we had to clear a lot of high peaks.

One other picture cause you liked the last one.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/TIA2077/Alaska/IMG_0302.jpg


Not4wood



"YaguMac" > wrote in message
s.com...
>
> Not4wood wrote:
>> Hey JW,
>>
>> I just peaked inside RAP for the first time because of all the commotion
>> thats gone on because of MX Manic depressed. I cant believe the level of
>> anger that he has caused in RAP.
>>
>> Some people are still trying to be nice but he goes and says stupid
>> things
>> to **** them off also.
>>
>> Let me introduce myself to the RAP. I am an msfs pilot only. But I do
>> fly
>> (passenger) and have been in a Beaver for a flight around the mountains
>> of
>> Mt McKinley this past summer. I cant express how breathtaking it was and
>> how amazing being in a real plane trying to hear each other over the
>> sound
>> of the screaming single engine are.
>>
>> I have heard mentioned (in here) that learning to fly is not expensive.
>> It
>> is where I live (in New York), but because of my eyes I know that I wont
>> be
>> able to pass any physical exams for my PPL. So my only choices are to do
>> what I did when I was younger. Sit on the closest place to an end of the
>> runway and watch, or sit in a chair and fly on FS9 and dream. Some or
>> actually most of us on alt.games.microsoft.flight-sim try to learn and
>> experience why and how about aviation. But we do know its not real life.
>> Learning to fly isnt just controlling the plane, but being able to handle
>> all the other situations that can happen. Control Stalls, engine out,
>> using
>> the radios, plotting routes with weather patterns, worrying which part is
>> going to fail next and how long the plane will be out of commission
>> waiting
>> for the parts etc. But the most I feel is what we are really not
>> experiencing and no matter how hard we try our little corner of the FS
>> world
>> wont let us. That is looking out the window and seeing this:
>>
>> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/TIA2077/Alaska/IMG_0342.jpg
>>
>> Yup, on approach to landing on that big piece of Glacier. The Beaver had
>> skies.
>>
>> enough said.
>>
>> Mark G
>> Not4wood
>>
>>
>> "John Ward" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Hi Not4wood,
>> >
>> > "... you have ****ed off too many of them and NO ONE wants to help
>> > you.
>> > ..."
>> >
>> > I'll try though, just this once.
>> >
>> > If Mxsmanic has "calmed down", as you put it, or feels differently
>> > about things these days (and, I must say, I perceived the same thing),
>> > and
>> > wants to participate in the n/g, as all the rest of us do, then one
>> > thing
>> > he could do is change his moniker, and start afresh, safe in the
>> > knowledge
>> > that everyone would have the good grace not to trace him (even though,
>> > no
>> > matter what anyone calls themselves, you get to be able to identify
>> > people
>> > by their posts, I reckon...).
>> >
>> > Then, he would get a whole different reception...
>> >
>> > Just a thought, but, hey, I've been wrong before, mate!
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > John Ward
>> >
>> >
>> > "Not4wood" > wrote in message
>> > news:r4eEh.3727$iF.3506@trndny03...
>> >> Again, I'll have to explain things to MXS:
>> >>
>> >> Side note: Way too many of the members of this great Usenet group
>> >> agmfs
>> >> have put you in there kill files and wont see this. I am crossposting
>> >> this for the benefit of the RL Pilots who we have heard that you have
>> >> ****ed off as well. I never intentionally cross post until now where
>> >> I
>> >> feel I have to inform the RL counterpart to this group about the
>> >> latest
>> >> events..
>> >>
>> >> You've calm down lately and that is a good thing. Sorry to have to
>> >> tell
>> >> you this but you have annoyed way too many people with your arrogant
>> >> quotes and self righteous attitude. Believing yourself to be an
>> >> expert
>> >> and tell people that you know something when you dont is arrogant.
>> >> When
>> >> you dont do something in RL and then become an expert because you see
>> >> it
>> >> printed by somebody else and take credit for it. Now, thats arrogant.
>> >> When, this group starts to hear your ****ing people off in the RL
>> >> Pilots
>> >> Group because you feel a need to try to be on there level of
>> >> knowledge,
>> >> skill and experience. By arguing with them the things you've picked
>> >> up
>> >> in here and making the mistake that this is real life and then going
>> >> back
>> >> to them and arguing the point. Thats NOT arrogant. Thats just plain
>> >> stupid. The Real Life Pilots who fly RL planes see that you do
>> >> nothing,
>> >> learn nothing and experience nothing but feel you have to tell them
>> >> who
>> >> are the real experienced people in the skies what they should know and
>> >> do. That is ARROGANT!
>> >>
>> >> First, there are plenty of 747 Virtual Pilots here and good ones to I
>> >> might add. The problem is you have ****ed off too many of them and NO
>> >> ONE wants to help you. Get it, you've come to that point in time that
>> >> now of all things you need this group to help you after you ****ed off
>> >> just about everyone.
>> >>
>> >> Now do you understand? Some of us have warned you including me. Now
>> >> the
>> >> truth hurts, but you will probably rationalize your grave mistake so
>> >> you
>> >> wont fully understand the implications of what you've done. Good luck
>> >> to
>> >> you, where ever you go.
>> >>
>> >> Pushes his chair back, and stands. Waits for a second and then bows.
>> >> Now turns and walks off into the Sunset to get his first cup of Jo
>> >> this
>> >> morning.
>> >>
>> >> Not4wood
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >>> BT writes:
>> >>>
>> >>>> That's how it is in real airplanes.
>> >>>
>> >>> Good; I like realism. But is there any technique to finding the
>> >>> right
>> >>> throttle setting? The 747 seems particularly prone to this (as
>> >>> compared
>> >>> to a
>> >>> 737).
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>
> Awsome Picture mate!
>
> yagu
>

[BT]

>
> Thank you all, and you've given me more hope of possibly getting my PPL.
>
> Not4wood

I was not talking of the PPL, I was talking Light Sport Pilot.

That is two steps below PPL. Light Sport Pilot relies on your auto license
Recreational and Private Pilot requires the Class III Medical.
Be careful.. ever fail an FAA Medical and you cannot do Light Sport Pilot.

But yes, based on SODA, PPL with Class III is possible.

BT

[Mxsmanic]

BT writes:

> I was not talking of the PPL, I was talking Light Sport Pilot.

The PPL should not be ruled out. I don't see any FAA regulation that says you
must have depth perception in order to fly. Depth perception only works for a
distance of 60 feet or so, anyway, and if you're within 60 feet of another
aircraft, you have more serious problems than vision correction to worry
about.

> Be careful.. ever fail an FAA Medical and you cannot do Light Sport Pilot.

Why not?

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[Jim Logajan]

"Not4wood" > wrote:
> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/TIA2077/Alaska/IMG_0302.jpg

Have you read "Wager with the Wind: The Don Sheldon Story" by James
Greiner?

[Mxsmanic]

Not4wood writes:

> But the most I feel is what we are really not
> experiencing and no matter how hard we try our little corner of the FS world
> wont let us. That is looking out the window and seeing this:
>
> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/TIA2077/Alaska/IMG_0342.jpg
>
> Yup, on approach to landing on that big piece of Glacier. The Beaver had
> skies.

Then there's this:

http://www.mxsmanic.com/mckinley.jpg

Taken from a chase plane as I turn in my private 747-400 towards the UMM NDB,
after heading straight for the summit of Mount McKinley out of Anchorage,
purely for the purpose of this photo op.

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[BT]

>> Be careful.. ever fail an FAA Medical and you cannot do Light Sport
>> Pilot.
>
> Why not?
>
> --
> Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

Because that's what the rules state.

BT

[Mxsmanic]

BT writes:

> Because that's what the rules state.

I thought the U.S. was supposed to be a democracy. Do you just obey whatever
rules come along without question?

In this case, it sounds like quite a stupid rule.

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[capt]

on T/O set the IAS to 250
arm the autothrottles and the engine speed will come up automtically


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"Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
...
> BT writes:
>
>> That's how it is in real airplanes.
>
> Good; I like realism. But is there any technique to finding the right
> throttle setting? The 747 seems particularly prone to this (as compared
> to a
> 737).
>
> --
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[capt]

FAA has a new catagory out. It's been out about a year.
Sport Pilot where you don't have to take the medical to get the license
(this is if you've never been turned down in a medical before by FAA
doctors.)
You can only fly GTW 1320 lbs (Piper Cubs, and other lightweight A/C)

Ground time is the same, but you only have to have 20 hrs cross country as I
remember when the FBO told me up here.

King Schools offers the ground courses
and I think volunteer CFI examiners give the test.

All you have to show is your driver's license.




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"Not4wood" > wrote in message
news:ZhfEh.6007$2u.4703@trndny04...
> Hey JW,
>
> I just peaked inside RAP for the first time because of all the commotion
> thats gone on because of MX Manic depressed. I cant believe the level of
> anger that he has caused in RAP.
>
> Some people are still trying to be nice but he goes and says stupid things
> to **** them off also.
>
> Let me introduce myself to the RAP. I am an msfs pilot only. But I do
> fly (passenger) and have been in a Beaver for a flight around the
> mountains of Mt McKinley this past summer. I cant express how
> breathtaking it was and how amazing being in a real plane trying to hear
> each other over the sound of the screaming single engine are.
>
> I have heard mentioned (in here) that learning to fly is not expensive.
> It is where I live (in New York), but because of my eyes I know that I
> wont be able to pass any physical exams for my PPL. So my only choices
> are to do what I did when I was younger. Sit on the closest place to an
> end of the runway and watch, or sit in a chair and fly on FS9 and dream.
> Some or actually most of us on alt.games.microsoft.flight-sim try to learn
> and experience why and how about aviation. But we do know its not real
> life. Learning to fly isnt just controlling the plane, but being able to
> handle all the other situations that can happen. Control Stalls, engine
> out, using the radios, plotting routes with weather patterns, worrying
> which part is going to fail next and how long the plane will be out of
> commission waiting for the parts etc. But the most I feel is what we are
> really not experiencing and no matter how hard we try our little corner of
> the FS world wont let us. That is looking out the window and seeing this:
>
> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/TIA2077/Alaska/IMG_0342.jpg
>
> Yup, on approach to landing on that big piece of Glacier. The Beaver had
> skies.
>
> enough said.
>
> Mark G
> Not4wood
>
>
> "John Ward" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Hi Not4wood,
>>
>> "... you have ****ed off too many of them and NO ONE wants to help
>> you. ..."
>>
>> I'll try though, just this once.
>>
>> If Mxsmanic has "calmed down", as you put it, or feels differently
>> about things these days (and, I must say, I perceived the same thing),
>> and wants to participate in the n/g, as all the rest of us do, then one
>> thing he could do is change his moniker, and start afresh, safe in the
>> knowledge that everyone would have the good grace not to trace him (even
>> though, no matter what anyone calls themselves, you get to be able to
>> identify people by their posts, I reckon...).
>>
>> Then, he would get a whole different reception...
>>
>> Just a thought, but, hey, I've been wrong before, mate!
>>
>> Regards,
>> John Ward
>>
>>
>> "Not4wood" > wrote in message
>> news:r4eEh.3727$iF.3506@trndny03...
>>> Again, I'll have to explain things to MXS:
>>>
>>> Side note: Way too many of the members of this great Usenet group agmfs
>>> have put you in there kill files and wont see this. I am crossposting
>>> this for the benefit of the RL Pilots who we have heard that you have
>>> ****ed off as well. I never intentionally cross post until now where I
>>> feel I have to inform the RL counterpart to this group about the latest
>>> events..
>>>
>>> You've calm down lately and that is a good thing. Sorry to have to tell
>>> you this but you have annoyed way too many people with your arrogant
>>> quotes and self righteous attitude. Believing yourself to be an expert
>>> and tell people that you know something when you dont is arrogant. When
>>> you dont do something in RL and then become an expert because you see it
>>> printed by somebody else and take credit for it. Now, thats arrogant.
>>> When, this group starts to hear your ****ing people off in the RL Pilots
>>> Group because you feel a need to try to be on there level of knowledge,
>>> skill and experience. By arguing with them the things you've picked up
>>> in here and making the mistake that this is real life and then going
>>> back to them and arguing the point. Thats NOT arrogant. Thats just
>>> plain stupid. The Real Life Pilots who fly RL planes see that you do
>>> nothing, learn nothing and experience nothing but feel you have to tell
>>> them who are the real experienced people in the skies what they should
>>> know and do. That is ARROGANT!
>>>
>>> First, there are plenty of 747 Virtual Pilots here and good ones to I
>>> might add. The problem is you have ****ed off too many of them and NO
>>> ONE wants to help you. Get it, you've come to that point in time that
>>> now of all things you need this group to help you after you ****ed off
>>> just about everyone.
>>>
>>> Now do you understand? Some of us have warned you including me. Now
>>> the truth hurts, but you will probably rationalize your grave mistake so
>>> you wont fully understand the implications of what you've done. Good
>>> luck to you, where ever you go.
>>>
>>> Pushes his chair back, and stands. Waits for a second and then bows.
>>> Now turns and walks off into the Sunset to get his first cup of Jo this
>>> morning.
>>>
>>> Not4wood
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> BT writes:
>>>>
>>>>> That's how it is in real airplanes.
>>>>
>>>> Good; I like realism. But is there any technique to finding the right
>>>> throttle setting? The 747 seems particularly prone to this (as
>>>> compared to a
>>>> 737).
>>>>
>>>> --
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>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

[capt]

go for your sportpilot license. No medical required there.


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"Not4wood" > wrote in message
news:kHkEh.25976$kr6.12211@trndny09...
> Yes, I was at an Optician/Eye Doctor (I forgot exactly what his title was)
> getting my eyes done and I happened to mention to him about me trying to
> take the eye test for the FAA. He looked at me and gave me the test right
> there.
>
> I have a lazy eye, and the vision is so poor it prevents me from seeing
> clearly from about 8 inches and better in this one eye. I can see
> movements on the peripheral but thats about it. Its not so bad I do see
> everything but with no detail. I have no 3 dimensional judgment because
> of this. The example would be catching a ball. If the ball is coming
> straight toward me I cant make even a slight judgment to catch it. If I
> can twist or move slightly out of plane then I can grab it. Not good, and
> didn't let me do a few things when I was younger but I tried. My other
> eye is OK, I can make partial judgments and get by. The bad thing is my
> situation wont allow me to wear those stupid 3 dimensional glasses when a
> bunch of us go to the movies for anything that was in 3D. LOL
>
> Did I pass the FAA Medical, NO not even close. So I gave up with the
> thought of getting my PPL. I dont care how cheap it is, knowing I wont be
> able to pass the FAA Medical will still prevent me from wasting my money
> on something I wont be able to complete no matter what I score or learn on
> any of the other tests. Its called beating a Dead Horse. So what do I
> do? I fly on Flight Simulator instead, or I sit in another seat and watch
> the PIC take the controls.
>
> Mark G
> Not4wood
>
>
>
> "Bob Noel" > wrote in message
> ...
>> In article <ZhfEh.6007$2u.4703@trndny04>,
>> "Not4wood" > wrote:
>>
>>> I have heard mentioned (in here) that learning to fly is not expensive.
>>> It
>>> is where I live (in New York), but because of my eyes I know that I wont
>>> be
>>> able to pass any physical exams for my PPL.
>>
>> Without wanting to pry into your vision issues, have you talked to an AME
>> (FAA medical examiner) about whether or not you'd qualify for a third
>> class
>> medical?
>>
>> http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=5b6818c972b4d692406916cf
>> c0604324&rgn=div5&view=text&node=14:2.0.1.1.5&idno=14
>>
>> "Eye standards for a third-class airman medical certificate are:
>>
>> (a) Distant visual acuity of 20/40 or better in each eye separately, with
>> or
>> without corrective lenses. If corrective lenses (spectacles or contact
>> lenses)
>> are necessary for 20/40 vision, the person may be eligible only on the
>> condition
>> that corrective lenses are worn while exercising the privileges of an
>> airman
>> certificate.
>>
>> (b) Near vision of 20/40 or better, Snellen equivalent, at 16 inches in
>> each eye
>> separately, with or without corrective lenses.
>>
>> (c) Ability to perceive those colors necessary for the safe performance
>> of
>> airman duties.
>>
>> (d) No acute or chronic pathological condition of either eye or adnexa
>> that
>> interferes with the proper function of an eye, that may reasonably be
>> expected
>> to progress to that degree, or that may reasonably be expected to be
>> aggravated
>> by flying. "
>>
>> --
>> Bob Noel
>> Looking for a sig the
>> lawyers will hate
>>
>
>

[Thomas Borchert]

Mxsmanic,

> > You also need people who give a flyin' f**k about your questions and
> > don't think you're a waste of human life.
>
> Intelligent people are uniformly members of that category.
>

Ah, priceless.

>> It looks like you've run out of those in RAP.
>
> I'm not sure that there were any to run out of.

Then why do you hang out here so much, posting more messages than any
other member? That can hardly be considered intelligent.

--
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[Not4wood]

Ya see. This is your problem M8.

Even though your photo is very nice. Mine isnt from FS9, its real life and
you cant tell the difference if you tripped over it.

Your trying to compare your Flight Sim world to the Real Life world and you
cant tell the difference. You gotta get out of the house more often to be
able to see how beautiful the Real World Really is. Take a breath of Fresh
Air (cough) and look at Nature. Animals, plant life, the water where these
things that float move around, look up at the Real Sky and can you see a
difference to what you see on the computer screen. It doesnt cost you
nuffin.

Not4wood


"Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
...
> Not4wood writes:
>
>> But the most I feel is what we are really not
>> experiencing and no matter how hard we try our little corner of the FS
>> world
>> wont let us. That is looking out the window and seeing this:
>>
>> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/TIA2077/Alaska/IMG_0342.jpg
>>
>> Yup, on approach to landing on that big piece of Glacier. The Beaver had
>> skies.
>
> Then there's this:
>
> http://www.mxsmanic.com/mckinley.jpg
>
> Taken from a chase plane as I turn in my private 747-400 towards the UMM
> NDB,
> after heading straight for the summit of Mount McKinley out of Anchorage,
> purely for the purpose of this photo op.
>
> --
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[Marcel Kuijper]

"Not4wood" wrote:

> First, there are plenty of 747 Virtual Pilots here and good ones to I might
> add. The problem is you have ****ed off too many of them and NO ONE wants
> to help you. Get it, you've come to that point in time that now of all
> things you need this group to help you after you ****ed off just about
> everyone.

Well said!
I happen to care enough about this hobby (and the PMDG products I fly)
that I went
out and purchased and downloaded all the necessary manuals to help me
fly these
machines. I even bought the real FMC manual for the big Boeings.
So I know how to solve his problem.

But...I ain't gonna. Not this time.
He always knows better any way. He always has advice, which is the
exact same
advice and answer somone else conviently posted a minute sonner than
him, and
he presumes to know everything like he's flown and done everything
IRL.

Nope. This is the first time I'm declining to help someone here and
I'm not
feeling the least bit bad about myself!


Marcel

[Mxsmanic]

capt writes:

> on T/O set the IAS to 250
> arm the autothrottles and the engine speed will come up automtically

I usually don't have any problem with take-off. I look at the speeds that the
FMC gives me for take off, set the speed selector to that speed or just above,
then set the throttles by hand to about 70% N1 and press the TOGA button. The
autothrottle then sets full thrust and, since I'm usually light, a slight
backward pull on the yoke at Vr starts the nose up. I immediately back off a
bit to avoid a tail strike and try to hold it at about 7 degrees, and as soon
as I have positive climb it's gear up. At 500-1000 feet, I engage LNAV and
VNAV. By then I've also retracted the flaps.

Usually that works well, although on a few occasions the aircraft has really
pitched up steeply and I'm not sure why.

Anyway, it's taxiing that's difficult. It seems that around 36% N1 can get me
rolling at a reasonable speed, but there's still a tendency to end up going 40
kts on the taxiway. And if I throttle back, I end up coming to a gentle stop
instead. It's problematic no matter how the aircraft is loaded.

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[Mxsmanic]

Not4wood writes:

> Even though your photo is very nice. Mine isnt from FS9, its real life and
> you cant tell the difference if you tripped over it.

Yes, but I didn't have to fly to Alaska to get my photo. I daresay I got a
better deal for my time and money than you did.

> Your trying to compare your Flight Sim world to the Real Life world and you
> cant tell the difference.

Oh, I can tell the difference. But very often the difference isn't important.
I'm trying to simulate flight, not look at picture postcards.

> You gotta get out of the house more often to be
> able to see how beautiful the Real World Really is.

I've seen some things in person. The Grand Canyon in real life looks just
like it does in postcards, only it's in three dimensions; I'm not sure that
it's worth the five-hour car trip that was required to get there.

> Take a breath of Fresh
> Air (cough) and look at Nature. Animals, plant life, the water where these
> things that float move around, look up at the Real Sky and can you see a
> difference to what you see on the computer screen. It doesnt cost you
> nuffin.

I'm not much into nature.

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[Mxsmanic]

Marcel Kuijper writes:

> Well said!
> I happen to care enough about this hobby (and the PMDG products I fly)
> that I went
> out and purchased and downloaded all the necessary manuals to help me
> fly these
> machines. I even bought the real FMC manual for the big Boeings.
> So I know how to solve his problem.

No, you don't.

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[Mxsmanic]

Thomas Borchert writes:

> Then why do you hang out here so much, posting more messages than any
> other member?

I'm an optimist.

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[capt]

You should taxi the aircraft yourself.
which is what I do.
I do not use TOGA on T/O

Now on win 98 on 2002 I can't get the throttles to reverse thrust but on
this PC I can.

TOGA I tried to use that once, but dunno what it is.

What does it do.



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"Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
...
> capt writes:
>
>> on T/O set the IAS to 250
>> arm the autothrottles and the engine speed will come up automtically
>
> I usually don't have any problem with take-off. I look at the speeds that
> the
> FMC gives me for take off, set the speed selector to that speed or just
> above,
> then set the throttles by hand to about 70% N1 and press the TOGA button.
> The
> autothrottle then sets full thrust and, since I'm usually light, a slight
> backward pull on the yoke at Vr starts the nose up. I immediately back
> off a
> bit to avoid a tail strike and try to hold it at about 7 degrees, and as
> soon
> as I have positive climb it's gear up. At 500-1000 feet, I engage LNAV
> and
> VNAV. By then I've also retracted the flaps.
>
> Usually that works well, although on a few occasions the aircraft has
> really
> pitched up steeply and I'm not sure why.
>
> Anyway, it's taxiing that's difficult. It seems that around 36% N1 can
> get me
> rolling at a reasonable speed, but there's still a tendency to end up
> going 40
> kts on the taxiway. And if I throttle back, I end up coming to a gentle
> stop
> instead. It's problematic no matter how the aircraft is loaded.
>
> --
> Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

[Mxsmanic]

capt writes:

> You should taxi the aircraft yourself.
> which is what I do.

I do.

> I do not use TOGA on T/O

I use it more often than not on the 737-800 and 747-400, mainly just to be
practiced with it. I already know how to push the throttles forward by hand.

> Now on win 98 on 2002 I can't get the throttles to reverse thrust but on
> this PC I can.

How are you engaging reverse thrust? I just press and hold F2, which sets
reverse thrust after it sets throttles to idle.

> TOGA I tried to use that once, but dunno what it is.

TOGA initiates take-off thrust if you are taking off, and initiates a
go-around procedure if you need to go around on an abandoned landing approach.

In the real aircraft, it's on the throttle handles. In PMDG aircraft, one of
the screws on the MCP panel doubles as a hot spot that you can click on to
engage TOGA.

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[Thomas Borchert]

Mxsmanic,

> I'm an optimist.
>

Among many other things...

Well, if you don't lie in your blogs, I guess there's hope for all of
us. They might just actually switch off the power you keep stealing
from the utility company. Would be good for the NG, but it would also
be good for you.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Gig 601XL Builder]

BT wrote:
>>> Be careful.. ever fail an FAA Medical and you cannot do Light Sport
>>> Pilot.
>>
>> Why not?
>>
>> --
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>
> Because that's what the rules state.
>
> BT

Just to clear it up for MX and for others that might read this in the
fullness of time. "Ever" is a little strong. Should you fail an FAA medical
and want to fly under the current FAA SLA rules you would need to a waiver
for the condition. After you have been granted the waiver once and not had
the waiver revoked you can fly under the SLA rules in SLA aircraft after the
medical that was granted the waiver expires.

[Gig 601XL Builder]

Mxsmanic wrote:
> BT writes:
>
>> Because that's what the rules state.
>
> I thought the U.S. was supposed to be a democracy. Do you just obey
> whatever rules come along without question?
>
> In this case, it sounds like quite a stupid rule.

While I agree with you it is a stupid rule it is what came out of MANY years
of negotiations between representatives of interested parties. Quite frankly
I think this double standard rule kind of slipped through the cracks during
the negotiations but it made it in there none the less. Once the rule was
finalized it is somewhat hard to change though there are people at EAA &
AOPA working on it.

[Danny Deger]

"Not4wood" > wrote in message
news:kHkEh.25976$kr6.12211@trndny09...
> Yes, I was at an Optician/Eye Doctor (I forgot exactly what his title was)
> getting my eyes done and I happened to mention to him about me trying to
> take the eye test for the FAA. He looked at me and gave me the test right
> there.
>
> I have a lazy eye, and the vision is so poor it prevents me from seeing
> clearly from about 8 inches and better in this one eye. I can see
> movements on the peripheral but thats about it. Its not so bad I do see
> everything but with no detail. I have no 3 dimensional judgment because
> of this. The example would be catching a ball. If the ball is coming
> straight toward me I cant make even a slight judgment to catch it. If I
> can twist or move slightly out of plane then I can grab it. Not good, and
> didn't let me do a few things when I was younger but I tried. My other
> eye is OK, I can make partial judgments and get by. The bad thing is my
> situation wont allow me to wear those stupid 3 dimensional glasses when a
> bunch of us go to the movies for anything that was in 3D. LOL
>
> Did I pass the FAA Medical, NO not even close. So I gave up with the
> thought of getting my PPL. I dont care how cheap it is, knowing I wont be
> able to pass the FAA Medical will still prevent me from wasting my money
> on something I wont be able to complete no matter what I score or learn on
> any of the other tests. Its called beating a Dead Horse. So what do I
> do? I fly on Flight Simulator instead, or I sit in another seat and watch
> the PIC take the controls.
>
> Mark G
> Not4wood
>

Have you actually been denied a medical? If not, you can fly under Light
Sport Aircraft rules.

Also, you might call the medical people at the FAA in OK City and see if
your condition can be waived.

Danny Deger


>
>
> "Bob Noel" > wrote in message
> ...
>> In article <ZhfEh.6007$2u.4703@trndny04>,
>> "Not4wood" > wrote:
>>
>>> I have heard mentioned (in here) that learning to fly is not expensive.
>>> It
>>> is where I live (in New York), but because of my eyes I know that I wont
>>> be
>>> able to pass any physical exams for my PPL.
>>
>> Without wanting to pry into your vision issues, have you talked to an AME
>> (FAA medical examiner) about whether or not you'd qualify for a third
>> class
>> medical?
>>
>> http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=5b6818c972b4d692406916cf
>> c0604324&rgn=div5&view=text&node=14:2.0.1.1.5&idno=14
>>
>> "Eye standards for a third-class airman medical certificate are:
>>
>> (a) Distant visual acuity of 20/40 or better in each eye separately, with
>> or
>> without corrective lenses. If corrective lenses (spectacles or contact
>> lenses)
>> are necessary for 20/40 vision, the person may be eligible only on the
>> condition
>> that corrective lenses are worn while exercising the privileges of an
>> airman
>> certificate.
>>
>> (b) Near vision of 20/40 or better, Snellen equivalent, at 16 inches in
>> each eye
>> separately, with or without corrective lenses.
>>
>> (c) Ability to perceive those colors necessary for the safe performance
>> of
>> airman duties.
>>
>> (d) No acute or chronic pathological condition of either eye or adnexa
>> that
>> interferes with the proper function of an eye, that may reasonably be
>> expected
>> to progress to that degree, or that may reasonably be expected to be
>> aggravated
>> by flying. "
>>
>> --
>> Bob Noel
>> Looking for a sig the
>> lawyers will hate
>>
>
>

[Danny Deger]

"capt" > wrote in message
. ..

> go for your sportpilot license. No medical required there.
>

That is what I am doing but I found I have to buy a plane to find a sport
airplane to fly. Check out your area and maybe you can find one to rent.

Also, call the FAA in OK City and ask them if your condition can be waived.

Danny

>
> --
> Whoever refuses to fight or take up arms pulls the plow
> "Not4wood" > wrote in message
> news:kHkEh.25976$kr6.12211@trndny09...
>> Yes, I was at an Optician/Eye Doctor (I forgot exactly what his title
>> was) getting my eyes done and I happened to mention to him about me
>> trying to take the eye test for the FAA. He looked at me and gave me the
>> test right there.
>>
>> I have a lazy eye, and the vision is so poor it prevents me from seeing
>> clearly from about 8 inches and better in this one eye. I can see
>> movements on the peripheral but thats about it. Its not so bad I do see
>> everything but with no detail. I have no 3 dimensional judgment because
>> of this. The example would be catching a ball. If the ball is coming
>> straight toward me I cant make even a slight judgment to catch it. If I
>> can twist or move slightly out of plane then I can grab it. Not good,
>> and didn't let me do a few things when I was younger but I tried. My
>> other eye is OK, I can make partial judgments and get by. The bad thing
>> is my situation wont allow me to wear those stupid 3 dimensional glasses
>> when a bunch of us go to the movies for anything that was in 3D. LOL
>>
>> Did I pass the FAA Medical, NO not even close. So I gave up with the
>> thought of getting my PPL. I dont care how cheap it is, knowing I wont
>> be able to pass the FAA Medical will still prevent me from wasting my
>> money on something I wont be able to complete no matter what I score or
>> learn on any of the other tests. Its called beating a Dead Horse. So
>> what do I do? I fly on Flight Simulator instead, or I sit in another
>> seat and watch the PIC take the controls.
>>
>> Mark G
>> Not4wood
>>
>>
>>
>> "Bob Noel" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> In article <ZhfEh.6007$2u.4703@trndny04>,
>>> "Not4wood" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have heard mentioned (in here) that learning to fly is not expensive.
>>>> It
>>>> is where I live (in New York), but because of my eyes I know that I
>>>> wont be
>>>> able to pass any physical exams for my PPL.
>>>
>>> Without wanting to pry into your vision issues, have you talked to an
>>> AME
>>> (FAA medical examiner) about whether or not you'd qualify for a third
>>> class
>>> medical?
>>>
>>> http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=5b6818c972b4d692406916cf
>>> c0604324&rgn=div5&view=text&node=14:2.0.1.1.5&idno=14
>>>
>>> "Eye standards for a third-class airman medical certificate are:
>>>
>>> (a) Distant visual acuity of 20/40 or better in each eye separately,
>>> with or
>>> without corrective lenses. If corrective lenses (spectacles or contact
>>> lenses)
>>> are necessary for 20/40 vision, the person may be eligible only on the
>>> condition
>>> that corrective lenses are worn while exercising the privileges of an
>>> airman
>>> certificate.
>>>
>>> (b) Near vision of 20/40 or better, Snellen equivalent, at 16 inches in
>>> each eye
>>> separately, with or without corrective lenses.
>>>
>>> (c) Ability to perceive those colors necessary for the safe performance
>>> of
>>> airman duties.
>>>
>>> (d) No acute or chronic pathological condition of either eye or adnexa
>>> that
>>> interferes with the proper function of an eye, that may reasonably be
>>> expected
>>> to progress to that degree, or that may reasonably be expected to be
>>> aggravated
>>> by flying. "
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bob Noel
>>> Looking for a sig the
>>> lawyers will hate
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

[Tony Cox]

On Feb 25, 10:37 am, "Not4wood" > wrote:
>
> Did I pass the FAA Medical, NO not even close. So I gave up with the
> thought of getting my PPL. I dont care how cheap it is, knowing I wont be
> able to pass the FAA Medical will still prevent me from wasting my money on
> something I wont be able to complete no matter what I score or learn on any
> of the other tests. Its called beating a Dead Horse. So what do I do? I
> fly on Flight Simulator instead, or I sit in another seat and watch the PIC
> take the controls.

I have a "lazy eye". You simply need a "statement of
demonstrated ability" (SODA), which is granted after
a special FAA flight test. It is no big deal -- I did mine
about 2 months before my private checkride.

I missed out on 20 years of flying because I believed
some idiot who told me I'd "never be able to become
a pilot with just one eye".

[Kingfish]

On Feb 26, 10:53 am, "Tony Cox" > wrote:

> > Did I pass the FAA Medical, NO not even close. So I gave up with the
> > thought of getting my PPL. I dont care how cheap it is, knowing I wont be
> > able to pass the FAA Medical will still prevent me from wasting my money on
> > something I wont be able to complete no matter what I score or learn on any
> > of the other tests. Its called beating a Dead Horse. So what do I do? I
> > fly on Flight Simulator instead, or I sit in another seat and watch the PIC
> > take the controls.
>
> I have a "lazy eye". You simply need a "statement of
> demonstrated ability" (SODA), which is granted after
> a special FAA flight test. It is no big deal -- I did mine
> about 2 months before my private checkride.
>
> I missed out on 20 years of flying because I believed
> some idiot who told me I'd "never be able to become
> a pilot with just one eye".

Now that is a damn shame. I was issued a SODA for deficient color
vision, which removed the night flying restriction from my license. I
found out about my red/green deficiency when I physicaled for the Army
in '89 - I wanted to fly a Cobra gunship but was disqualified. It
didn't keep me from getting all my ratings thru CFI (ATP will come
this summer methinks)

Wood, if you really have a bug up yer butt to fly (as I did/do) then
give this its due dilligence and consult an AME as to your options,
and see if whatever condition you have is waivable with a SODA.

Buena suerte, amigo

[JB]

On Feb 26, 12:08 am, Mxsmanic > wrote:
> Not4wood writes:
> > But the most I feel is what we are really not
> > experiencing and no matter how hard we try our little corner of the FS world
> > wont let us. That is looking out the window and seeing this:
>
> >http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/TIA2077/Alaska/IMG_0342.jpg
>
> > Yup, on approach to landing on that big piece of Glacier. The Beaver had
> > skies.
>
> Then there's this:
>
> http://www.mxsmanic.com/mckinley.jpg
>
> Taken from a chase plane as I turn in my private 747-400 towards the UMM NDB,
> after heading straight for the summit of Mount McKinley out of Anchorage,
> purely for the purpose of this photo op.
>
> --
> Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

When I first opened up N4W's picture of the Alaskan peaks, I said to
myself "Wow!...just breathtaking!". When I opened up your faux
picture of McKinley, I said to myself "How boring". CGI will NEVER
take the place of real life.

--Jeff

[Peter Dohm]

>
> > I was not talking of the PPL, I was talking Light Sport Pilot.
>
> The PPL should not be ruled out. I don't see any FAA regulation that says
you
> must have depth perception in order to fly. Depth perception only works
for a
> distance of 60 feet or so, anyway, and if you're within 60 feet of another
> aircraft, you have more serious problems than vision correction to worry
> about.
>
> > Be careful.. ever fail an FAA Medical and you cannot do Light Sport
Pilot.
>
> Why not?
>
Please be advised that, although our favorite Troll appears to be correct in
this case, he NEVER obtains or reads complete documents. Therefore, his
imformation is gained from the excerpts posted by other contributors,
frequently (as in this case) postings earlier in the same conversation!

POSTING BY MXSMANIC IS FOR ENTERTAINMENT ONLY !!!!

If you have, or suspect, any condition which might affect your medical
certification, discuss it with an AME before you "start the clock" with an
application, have a verbal discussion with your local Safety Program
Coordinator for Flight Standards, or *better still*, call AOPA and make full
use of your membership.

Your AOPA membership would be a good value is all you received was the
magazine. However, the combination of advocacy and advice make one of the
best bargains anywhere!

Peter

[Mxsmanic]

JB writes:

> When I first opened up N4W's picture of the Alaskan peaks, I said to
> myself "Wow!...just breathtaking!". When I opened up your faux
> picture of McKinley, I said to myself "How boring". CGI will NEVER
> take the place of real life.

As I've said, it's a flight simulation, not a scenery simulation.

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

[Peter Dohm]

> No, there was no paper work on this test. He just told me that I wouldn't
> pass it. No again, I really dont know if he was an FAA AME. But it
seemed
> to me at that time many years ago that he knew what he was talking about
so
> I never did question him. From what I've seen about poor eye site and
some
> one eyed Pilots maybe I do stand a chance for going to more information
and
> trying again. I'll look into it in my neck of the woods.
>
> Yes, I can drive a car. Also, I drive a 4X4 pickup and plow the snow
> without hitting or tearing up anything in site. LOL Although some of my
> co-workers have torn up other cars. LOL.
>
> Thank you all, and you've given me more hope of possibly getting my PPL.
>
> Not4wood
>
OK, in that case you have a current medical (your driver's license) for
Sport Pilot.

There airspace restrictions, but most of the ones that I would care about
can be overcome by endorsements.

The real problem with Sport Pilot is the maximum gross weight of
600KG/1320LB. If they had chosen 800KG/1760LB, nearly half of the existing
rental fleet would have been accessible for use; but the low weight limit
makes a rental at a distant location very problematic. If the weight
porblem was not present, I would be looking seriously at Sport Pilot as
well--if only to have one less qualification required.

The rental problem may change in the next ten years. But for now, it
remains a good reason to investigate an appropriate waiver to obtain a third
class medical.

Peter
(Just my $0.02)

[Crash Lander[_1_]]

"Peter Dohm" > wrote in message
news:UUIEh.18374$z6.13492@bigfe9...
> The real problem with Sport Pilot is the maximum gross weight of
> 600KG/1320LB. If they had chosen 800KG/1760LB, nearly half of the
> existing
> rental fleet would have been accessible for use; but the low weight limit
> makes a rental at a distant location very problematic.

I believe, and don't quote me here, but I think the limit here in Australia
is 544kg, but there is currently a campaign to get that raised to 750kg. I'm
unsure as to how successful that campaign will be.
Oz Lander

[John Ward[_2_]]

Hi Studmuffin,

Well said yourself, mate!

Regards,
John Ward
"Marcel Kuijper" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> "Not4wood" wrote:
>
>> First, there are plenty of 747 Virtual Pilots here and good ones to I
>> might
>> add. The problem is you have ****ed off too many of them and NO ONE
>> wants
>> to help you. Get it, you've come to that point in time that now of all
>> things you need this group to help you after you ****ed off just about
>> everyone.
>
> Well said!
> I happen to care enough about this hobby (and the PMDG products I fly)
> that I went
> out and purchased and downloaded all the necessary manuals to help me
> fly these
> machines. I even bought the real FMC manual for the big Boeings.
> So I know how to solve his problem.
>
> But...I ain't gonna. Not this time.
> He always knows better any way. He always has advice, which is the
> exact same
> advice and answer somone else conviently posted a minute sonner than
> him, and
> he presumes to know everything like he's flown and done everything
> IRL.
>
> Nope. This is the first time I'm declining to help someone here and
> I'm not
> feeling the least bit bad about myself!
>
>
> Marcel
>

[EridanMan]

> > You also need people who give a flyin' f**k about your questions and
> > don't think you're a waste of human life.
>
> Intelligent people are uniformly members of that category.

Waste of human life is a bit harsh... sad example is a bit more on-
mark.

> > It looks like you've run out of those in RAP.
>
> I'm not sure that there were any to run out of.

And its those kind of zingers which have made you so beloved to this
community.

> > Maybe it would be more effective to look elsewhere.
>
> I posted these questions to two newsgroups. I'm still waiting for intelligent
> answers. I thought it rather unlikely that 747 pilots would be on either
> group,

The 747 jocks all hang out on A.net (http://airliners.net).
Unfortunately for you, that is a moderated forum, and I doubt you'll
last more than 3 days without being banned...

Or maybe not - play your cards right and take your ego down a few
notches, and you might learn something.

> but it didn't hurt to try.

Eh... I actually tried to answer your questions until today, when I
finally sat down and read your posts... each day you stay on this
forum, you alienate more and more of the contributers... So yes, it
does hurt to try.

[Not4wood]

Tony,

Hmmm, now you really got me thinking. Of course no paperwork was done it
was just on the fly for him to see if I could pass.

Now with this waiver, makes me interested to find out more. I'm in New York
and there are a lot of airports around me that I can inquire about this. Me
thinks the membership for the Pilots Organization and magazine is now
looking way more important to me.

Sports Pilot license with the weight restriction to me would be defeating
the purpose of flying. I dont think a small plane of that weight would make
the trip from the tri-state New York area to at least Boston. But it would
at least get me in the air, and thats what I think is very important.

Thank you all for all the suggestions. Now I have a whole lot of home work
to do. Gee thanks.... LOL

Mark G
Not4wood




"Tony Cox" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> On Feb 25, 10:37 am, "Not4wood" > wrote:
>>
>> Did I pass the FAA Medical, NO not even close. So I gave up with the
>> thought of getting my PPL. I dont care how cheap it is, knowing I wont
>> be
>> able to pass the FAA Medical will still prevent me from wasting my money
>> on
>> something I wont be able to complete no matter what I score or learn on
>> any
>> of the other tests. Its called beating a Dead Horse. So what do I do?
>> I
>> fly on Flight Simulator instead, or I sit in another seat and watch the
>> PIC
>> take the controls.
>
> I have a "lazy eye". You simply need a "statement of
> demonstrated ability" (SODA), which is granted after
> a special FAA flight test. It is no big deal -- I did mine
> about 2 months before my private checkride.
>
> I missed out on 20 years of flying because I believed
> some idiot who told me I'd "never be able to become
> a pilot with just one eye".
>
>

[John Ward[_2_]]

Hi Not4wood,

Do that homework and go for it, mate!!

Regards,
John Ward

"Not4wood" > wrote in message
news:RZMEh.8909$Xe1.8020@trndny01...
> Tony,
>
> Hmmm, now you really got me thinking. Of course no paperwork was done it
> was just on the fly for him to see if I could pass.
>
> Now with this waiver, makes me interested to find out more. I'm in New
> York and there are a lot of airports around me that I can inquire about
> this. Me thinks the membership for the Pilots Organization and magazine
> is now looking way more important to me.
>
> Sports Pilot license with the weight restriction to me would be defeating
> the purpose of flying. I dont think a small plane of that weight would
> make the trip from the tri-state New York area to at least Boston. But it
> would at least get me in the air, and thats what I think is very
> important.
>
> Thank you all for all the suggestions. Now I have a whole lot of home
> work to do. Gee thanks.... LOL
>
> Mark G
> Not4wood
>
>
>
>
> "Tony Cox" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
>> On Feb 25, 10:37 am, "Not4wood" > wrote:
>>>
>>> Did I pass the FAA Medical, NO not even close. So I gave up with the
>>> thought of getting my PPL. I dont care how cheap it is, knowing I wont
>>> be
>>> able to pass the FAA Medical will still prevent me from wasting my money
>>> on
>>> something I wont be able to complete no matter what I score or learn on
>>> any
>>> of the other tests. Its called beating a Dead Horse. So what do I do?
>>> I
>>> fly on Flight Simulator instead, or I sit in another seat and watch the
>>> PIC
>>> take the controls.
>>
>> I have a "lazy eye". You simply need a "statement of
>> demonstrated ability" (SODA), which is granted after
>> a special FAA flight test. It is no big deal -- I did mine
>> about 2 months before my private checkride.
>>
>> I missed out on 20 years of flying because I believed
>> some idiot who told me I'd "never be able to become
>> a pilot with just one eye".
>>
>>
>
>

[Not4wood]

Way to go Marcel,

I agree and I did feel bad at first. But we've had some real strange people
of late getting off on trying to stir it up in agmfs but this one just
reminds me of a stalker mentality/troll at the same time who cant take the
hint. Where is the Unabomber???

What bothers me though is his rationalizing all the time without a stop.
Making excuses for a fear of leaving the house and not experiencing real
life! Look what he says to the comments about my Alaskan images. If thats
not strange what is??

Mark G
Not4wood


"Marcel Kuijper" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> "Not4wood" wrote:
>
>> First, there are plenty of 747 Virtual Pilots here and good ones to I
>> might
>> add. The problem is you have ****ed off too many of them and NO ONE
>> wants
>> to help you. Get it, you've come to that point in time that now of all
>> things you need this group to help you after you ****ed off just about
>> everyone.
>
> Well said!
> I happen to care enough about this hobby (and the PMDG products I fly)
> that I went
> out and purchased and downloaded all the necessary manuals to help me
> fly these
> machines. I even bought the real FMC manual for the big Boeings.
> So I know how to solve his problem.
>
> But...I ain't gonna. Not this time.
> He always knows better any way. He always has advice, which is the
> exact same
> advice and answer somone else conviently posted a minute sonner than
> him, and
> he presumes to know everything like he's flown and done everything
> IRL.
>
> Nope. This is the first time I'm declining to help someone here and
> I'm not
> feeling the least bit bad about myself!
>
>
> Marcel
>

[John Ward[_2_]]

Hi Not4wood,

"... If thats not strange what is??"

This is: His website "PORTRAYS" him as a tour guide around Paris.

I just had a casual squizz the other day, when a link to his site was
given here on the n/g.

Despite trying, I can't change my opinion of him - he sure upsets any
n/g that he's on, and doesn't seem to add anything positive.

So what's the use of that, it's pointless.

I sure can't see this n/g being in any way diminished if he never made
another post, or if nobody replied to ANY of his posts.

BTW, phenomenal last Alaskan image, mate!!

Regards,
John Ward

"Not4wood" > wrote in message
news:E5NEh.10069$tA1.7630@trndny02...
> Way to go Marcel,
>
> I agree and I did feel bad at first. But we've had some real strange
> people of late getting off on trying to stir it up in agmfs but this one
> just reminds me of a stalker mentality/troll at the same time who cant
> take the hint. Where is the Unabomber???
>
> What bothers me though is his rationalizing all the time without a stop.
> Making excuses for a fear of leaving the house and not experiencing real
> life! Look what he says to the comments about my Alaskan images. If
> thats not strange what is??
>
> Mark G
> Not4wood
>
>
> "Marcel Kuijper" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>> "Not4wood" wrote:
>>
>>> First, there are plenty of 747 Virtual Pilots here and good ones to I
>>> might
>>> add. The problem is you have ****ed off too many of them and NO ONE
>>> wants
>>> to help you. Get it, you've come to that point in time that now of all
>>> things you need this group to help you after you ****ed off just about
>>> everyone.
>>
>> Well said!
>> I happen to care enough about this hobby (and the PMDG products I fly)
>> that I went
>> out and purchased and downloaded all the necessary manuals to help me
>> fly these
>> machines. I even bought the real FMC manual for the big Boeings.
>> So I know how to solve his problem.
>>
>> But...I ain't gonna. Not this time.
>> He always knows better any way. He always has advice, which is the
>> exact same
>> advice and answer somone else conviently posted a minute sonner than
>> him, and
>> he presumes to know everything like he's flown and done everything
>> IRL.
>>
>> Nope. This is the first time I'm declining to help someone here and
>> I'm not
>> feeling the least bit bad about myself!
>>
>>
>> Marcel
>>
>
>

[Not4wood]

In all my years on the net and puters, I've never seen anyone **** off more
people than this clown.

I think there might be a record here somewhere.... LOL

I've never really read thru RAP before this and it looks like both
newsgroups are as helpful to anybody that has a legitimate question.
Someone like MX Manic has just about got banned from two newsgroups at the
same time. Put the numbers of steady readers together for both and you have
some major amounts of people that normally have nothing but encouragement
for all newcomers. Thats sad.

Its a shame that this person gets his kicks from annoying everybody that
winds up with the knowledge to actually help him and would you believe these
people who have more patience than the average person refuses to help him
because of his attitude. What I'm trying to say is he doesnt realize that
the people he is isolating himself from are the people he should be nice
too.

But there is good that comes out of this. Separately we all have something
in common and a lot of people do read both groups. Our shared obsession for
aviation has brought all of us together and I've never seen so much
communication being crossposted. Maybe in the future and also from now on
we can all have more communication between both groups besides being from
and about an asshole..

Respectfully Submitted,

Mark G
Not4wood




"EridanMan" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>> > You also need people who give a flyin' f**k about your questions and
>> > don't think you're a waste of human life.
>>
>> Intelligent people are uniformly members of that category.
>
> Waste of human life is a bit harsh... sad example is a bit more on-
> mark.
>
>> > It looks like you've run out of those in RAP.
>>
>> I'm not sure that there were any to run out of.
>
> And its those kind of zingers which have made you so beloved to this
> community.
>
>> > Maybe it would be more effective to look elsewhere.
>>
>> I posted these questions to two newsgroups. I'm still waiting for
>> intelligent
>> answers. I thought it rather unlikely that 747 pilots would be on either
>> group,
>
> The 747 jocks all hang out on A.net (http://airliners.net).
> Unfortunately for you, that is a moderated forum, and I doubt you'll
> last more than 3 days without being banned...
>
> Or maybe not - play your cards right and take your ego down a few
> notches, and you might learn something.
>
>> but it didn't hurt to try.
>
> Eh... I actually tried to answer your questions until today, when I
> finally sat down and read your posts... each day you stay on this
> forum, you alienate more and more of the contributers... So yes, it
> does hurt to try.
>

[Mxsmanic]

EridanMan writes:

> The 747 jocks all hang out on A.net (http://airliners.net).

They certainly don't hang out here, it seems.

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

[capt]

"Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
...
> How are you engaging reverse thrust? I just press and hold F2, which sets
> reverse thrust after it sets throttles to idle.

when I press F2 the reverse thrusters won't engage. I'ts a gitch in the
operatin' system I'm sure, cause I tried it in 2 of them, with results the
same

> TOGA initiates take-off thrust if you are taking off,

I've seen it in the 737-400 on the throttle panel, so do you have to put the
autopilot with altitude set on to use it

>and initiates a go-around procedure if you need to go around on an
>abandoned landing approach.

after tower tells you to go around.
I'll have to try it.

[Not4wood]

Thanks JW.

Because I've gotten some great comments on my pics so far I will add one
more tonight. This one is when were walking around Vancouver. After the
cruise we ended up staying on our own for two days just walking around and
taking in the sites.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/TIA2077/Alaska/IMG_0887.jpg

OK, this is from the top of the Cruise ship looking at Hubbard Glacier. We
are on the Celebrity Summit and the Glacier is higher than we are.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/TIA2077/Alaska/IMG_0460.jpg

BTW, for anybody who is thinking of the Blue in the Ice. The Blue is the
Old Ancient "Ice Age" Ice that has been crushed and has its particles
re-aligned thru the years. It reflects the light differently thus letting
us see the Blue. If you notice the sky is white not blue so it is not a
reflection. If we have any climbers here supposedly the Mountain Climbers
look for the Old Blue Ice since its denser and safer to sleep on.

Not4wood



"John Ward" > wrote in message
u...
> Hi Not4wood,
>
> "... If thats not strange what is??"
>
> This is: His website "PORTRAYS" him as a tour guide around Paris.
>
> I just had a casual squizz the other day, when a link to his site was
> given here on the n/g.
>
> Despite trying, I can't change my opinion of him - he sure upsets any
> n/g that he's on, and doesn't seem to add anything positive.
>
> So what's the use of that, it's pointless.
>
> I sure can't see this n/g being in any way diminished if he never made
> another post, or if nobody replied to ANY of his posts.
>
> BTW, phenomenal last Alaskan image, mate!!
>
> Regards,
> John Ward
>
> "Not4wood" > wrote in message
> news:E5NEh.10069$tA1.7630@trndny02...
>> Way to go Marcel,
>>
>> I agree and I did feel bad at first. But we've had some real strange
>> people of late getting off on trying to stir it up in agmfs but this one
>> just reminds me of a stalker mentality/troll at the same time who cant
>> take the hint. Where is the Unabomber???
>>
>> What bothers me though is his rationalizing all the time without a stop.
>> Making excuses for a fear of leaving the house and not experiencing real
>> life! Look what he says to the comments about my Alaskan images. If
>> thats not strange what is??
>>
>> Mark G
>> Not4wood
>>
>>
>> "Marcel Kuijper" > wrote in message
>> oups.com...
>>> "Not4wood" wrote:
>>>
>>>> First, there are plenty of 747 Virtual Pilots here and good ones to I
>>>> might
>>>> add. The problem is you have ****ed off too many of them and NO ONE
>>>> wants
>>>> to help you. Get it, you've come to that point in time that now of all
>>>> things you need this group to help you after you ****ed off just about
>>>> everyone.
>>>
>>> Well said!
>>> I happen to care enough about this hobby (and the PMDG products I fly)
>>> that I went
>>> out and purchased and downloaded all the necessary manuals to help me
>>> fly these
>>> machines. I even bought the real FMC manual for the big Boeings.
>>> So I know how to solve his problem.
>>>
>>> But...I ain't gonna. Not this time.
>>> He always knows better any way. He always has advice, which is the
>>> exact same
>>> advice and answer somone else conviently posted a minute sonner than
>>> him, and
>>> he presumes to know everything like he's flown and done everything
>>> IRL.
>>>
>>> Nope. This is the first time I'm declining to help someone here and
>>> I'm not
>>> feeling the least bit bad about myself!
>>>
>>>
>>> Marcel
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

[capt]

we don't have any here, but I'm told Cody (KCOD) has a club. 84 miles away

the guy called me from up there about 2 months ago cause we were trying to
start up a CAP unit down here
and he told me they had a club

"Danny Deger" > wrote in message
...
>
> "capt" > wrote in message
> . ..
>
>> go for your sportpilot license. No medical required there.
>>
>
> That is what I am doing but I found I have to buy a plane to find a sport
> airplane to fly. Check out your area and maybe you can find one to rent.

[capt]

I remember FAA telling me that at DAL back in 86 when I talked to them

"Tony Cox" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> On Feb 25, 10:37 am, "Not4wood" > wrote:
>>
>> Did I pass the FAA Medical, NO not even close. So I gave up with the
>> thought of getting my PPL. I dont care how cheap it is, knowing I wont
>> be
>> able to pass the FAA Medical will still prevent me from wasting my money
>> on
>> something I wont be able to complete no matter what I score or learn on
>> any
>> of the other tests. Its called beating a Dead Horse. So what do I do?
>> I
>> fly on Flight Simulator instead, or I sit in another seat and watch the
>> PIC
>> take the controls.
>
> I have a "lazy eye". You simply need a "statement of
> demonstrated ability" (SODA), which is granted after
> a special FAA flight test. It is no big deal -- I did mine
> about 2 months before my private checkride.
>
> I missed out on 20 years of flying because I believed
> some idiot who told me I'd "never be able to become
> a pilot with just one eye".
>
>

[capt]

don't go to the city airports they are more expensive for flying lessons, go
to a smaller outlying airport it should be cheaper
you might be able to do it for half or even 1/4th the cost.


"Not4wood" > wrote in message
news:RZMEh.8909$Xe1.8020@trndny01...
> Tony,
>
> Hmmm, now you really got me thinking. Of course no paperwork was done it
> was just on the fly for him to see if I could pass.
>
> Now with this waiver, makes me interested to find out more. I'm in New
> York and there are a lot of airports around me that I can inquire about
> this. Me thinks the membership for the Pilots Organization and magazine
> is now looking way more important to me.
>
> Sports Pilot license with the weight restriction to me would be defeating
> the purpose of flying. I dont think a small plane of that weight would
> make the trip from the tri-state New York area to at least Boston. But it
> would at least get me in the air, and thats what I think is very
> important.
>
> Thank you all for all the suggestions. Now I have a whole lot of home
> work to do. Gee thanks.... LOL
>
> Mark G
> Not4wood
>
>
>
>
> "Tony Cox" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
>> On Feb 25, 10:37 am, "Not4wood" > wrote:
>>>
>>> Did I pass the FAA Medical, NO not even close. So I gave up with the
>>> thought of getting my PPL. I dont care how cheap it is, knowing I wont
>>> be
>>> able to pass the FAA Medical will still prevent me from wasting my money
>>> on
>>> something I wont be able to complete no matter what I score or learn on
>>> any
>>> of the other tests. Its called beating a Dead Horse. So what do I do?
>>> I
>>> fly on Flight Simulator instead, or I sit in another seat and watch the
>>> PIC
>>> take the controls.
>>
>> I have a "lazy eye". You simply need a "statement of
>> demonstrated ability" (SODA), which is granted after
>> a special FAA flight test. It is no big deal -- I did mine
>> about 2 months before my private checkride.
>>
>> I missed out on 20 years of flying because I believed
>> some idiot who told me I'd "never be able to become
>> a pilot with just one eye".
>>
>>
>
>

[Mxsmanic]

capt writes:

> when I press F2 the reverse thrusters won't engage. I'ts a gitch in the
> operatin' system I'm sure, cause I tried it in 2 of them, with results the
> same

Hmm. I think F2 is the standard for reducing thrust (and reversing thrust).

> I've seen it in the 737-400 on the throttle panel, so do you have to put the
> autopilot with altitude set on to use it

In the default 737-400, I'm not sure how it works, but you should be able to
turn on the autothrottle as you sit on the runway and set a speed or something
and then engage it, and it should bring you up to take-off thrust.

On the 737-800 from PMDG, which is much more faithful to real life, you
configure your desired take-off speed (a bit above Vr, or whatever you prefer)
on the speed selector, make sure the FD and autothrottle are enabled, then
press the TOGA switch to start. For convenience, as I've said, PMDG puts a
hot spot on the MCP that you can click to do this (in reality, it's on the
throttle levers, but they are awkward to get to when you're taking off on the
sim).

> after tower tells you to go around.

Or when you decide to go around on your own. TOGA then puts the aircraft in a
go-around configuration that varies somewhat by model, and it continues until
you override it. The idea is to spare you some of the details of the
go-around procedure, in order to enhance safety.

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[Tony Cox]

On Feb 26, 6:48 pm, "Not4wood" > wrote:
> Tony,
>
> Hmmm, now you really got me thinking. Of course no paperwork was done it
> was just on the fly for him to see if I could pass.
>
> Now with this waiver, makes me interested to find out more. I'm in New York
> and there are a lot of airports around me that I can inquire about this. Me
> thinks the membership for the Pilots Organization and magazine is now
> looking way more important to me.

Go for it!

In spite of having useful vision in only one eye (according
to the FAA, that is, actually my peripheral vision is fine),
it has never really been an issue when flying. Depth
perception when landing comes from visual queues, not
binocular vision. But I have used it as an excuse for those
very rare occasions (!) when the landing has been bumpy.

Cheers!

[Ron Garret]

In article >,
Mxsmanic > wrote:

> I thought the U.S. was supposed to be a democracy.

"Supposed to be" being the operative words here.

rg

[capt]

did you take your flight sim along. I would have.

"Not4wood" > wrote in message
news:Z_OEh.14300$sv6.8040@trndny08...
> Thanks JW.
>
> Because I've gotten some great comments on my pics so far I will add one
> more tonight. This one is when were walking around Vancouver. After the
> cruise we ended up staying on our own for two days just walking around and
> taking in the sites.
> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/TIA2077/Alaska/IMG_0887.jpg
>
> OK, this is from the top of the Cruise ship looking at Hubbard Glacier.
> We are on the Celebrity Summit and the Glacier is higher than we are.
> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/TIA2077/Alaska/IMG_0460.jpg
>
> BTW, for anybody who is thinking of the Blue in the Ice. The Blue is the
> Old Ancient "Ice Age" Ice that has been crushed and has its particles
> re-aligned thru the years. It reflects the light differently thus letting
> us see the Blue. If you notice the sky is white not blue so it is not a
> reflection. If we have any climbers here supposedly the Mountain Climbers
> look for the Old Blue Ice since its denser and safer to sleep on.
>
> Not4wood
>
>
>
> "John Ward" > wrote in message
> u...
>> Hi Not4wood,
>>
>> "... If thats not strange what is??"
>>
>> This is: His website "PORTRAYS" him as a tour guide around Paris.
>>
>> I just had a casual squizz the other day, when a link to his site was
>> given here on the n/g.
>>
>> Despite trying, I can't change my opinion of him - he sure upsets any
>> n/g that he's on, and doesn't seem to add anything positive.
>>
>> So what's the use of that, it's pointless.
>>
>> I sure can't see this n/g being in any way diminished if he never made
>> another post, or if nobody replied to ANY of his posts.
>>
>> BTW, phenomenal last Alaskan image, mate!!
>>
>> Regards,
>> John Ward
>>
>> "Not4wood" > wrote in message
>> news:E5NEh.10069$tA1.7630@trndny02...
>>> Way to go Marcel,
>>>
>>> I agree and I did feel bad at first. But we've had some real strange
>>> people of late getting off on trying to stir it up in agmfs but this one
>>> just reminds me of a stalker mentality/troll at the same time who cant
>>> take the hint. Where is the Unabomber???
>>>
>>> What bothers me though is his rationalizing all the time without a stop.
>>> Making excuses for a fear of leaving the house and not experiencing real
>>> life! Look what he says to the comments about my Alaskan images. If
>>> thats not strange what is??
>>>
>>> Mark G
>>> Not4wood
>>>
>>>
>>> "Marcel Kuijper" > wrote in message
>>> oups.com...
>>>> "Not4wood" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> First, there are plenty of 747 Virtual Pilots here and good ones to I
>>>>> might
>>>>> add. The problem is you have ****ed off too many of them and NO ONE
>>>>> wants
>>>>> to help you. Get it, you've come to that point in time that now of
>>>>> all
>>>>> things you need this group to help you after you ****ed off just about
>>>>> everyone.
>>>>
>>>> Well said!
>>>> I happen to care enough about this hobby (and the PMDG products I fly)
>>>> that I went
>>>> out and purchased and downloaded all the necessary manuals to help me
>>>> fly these
>>>> machines. I even bought the real FMC manual for the big Boeings.
>>>> So I know how to solve his problem.
>>>>
>>>> But...I ain't gonna. Not this time.
>>>> He always knows better any way. He always has advice, which is the
>>>> exact same
>>>> advice and answer somone else conviently posted a minute sonner than
>>>> him, and
>>>> he presumes to know everything like he's flown and done everything
>>>> IRL.
>>>>
>>>> Nope. This is the first time I'm declining to help someone here and
>>>> I'm not
>>>> feeling the least bit bad about myself!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Marcel
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

[Bryan[_2_]]

capt wrote:
> "Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
> ...
>> How are you engaging reverse thrust? I just press and hold F2, which sets
>> reverse thrust after it sets throttles to idle.
>
> when I press F2 the reverse thrusters won't engage. I'ts a gitch in the
> operatin' system I'm sure, cause I tried it in 2 of them, with results the
> same
>

Dumb question but is there a function lock key on your keyboard?

Bryan

[Mxsmanic]

boB writes:

> Do you know how arrogant that is????

There's nothing arrogant about it. A post filled with personal attacks and
nothing else does not address the topic of the thread, nor does it answer the
questions that I originally posted. Therefore it is of no use to me.

> Why should anyone help you at all???

Because he knows the answers?

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[boB[_5_]]

Mxsmanic wrote:
> Not4wood writes:
>
>> First, there are plenty of 747 Virtual Pilots here and good ones to I might
>> add.
>
> Maybe they'll speak up. Your post is useless to me.
>

Do you know how arrogant that is???? Why should anyone help you at all???

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* boB*
* copter.six*
*-----------*

[John Ward[_2_]]

Hi Mxmanic,

You appear to miss the whole point sometimes, mate!!

Rather than standby and let you aggravate a bloke like Downloader (not
to mention many other folk here, who I also value greatly), which is deeply
offensive to me, and many other people here, how about opening up a thread
with just you and me, mate, on anything at all that tickles your fancy??

That way, whatever the outcome may be, nobody else here will be
responding to any of your posts, because it would also be a condition that
you and I both post nowhere else for the duration of the thread, mate.

What do you say - have you got the balls?

If you haven't, I would urge everyone here to simply not reply to any of
your posts, ever, so that, eventually, you would feel as though there was
something wrong with you, wouldn't you, as any normal person would?

What do you say, mate - yes or no? Quite simple.

Anything other than a simple yes or no from you should be a signal to
everyone else, and myself, to simply ignore your posts completely in the
future.

Can't be fairer than that, mate.

Regards,
John Ward

"Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
...
> boB writes:
>
>> Do you know how arrogant that is????
>
> There's nothing arrogant about it. A post filled with personal attacks
> and
> nothing else does not address the topic of the thread, nor does it answer
> the
> questions that I originally posted. Therefore it is of no use to me.
>
>> Why should anyone help you at all???
>
> Because he knows the answers?
>
> --
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[Crash Lander[_2_]]

John Ward wrote:

> Hi Mxmanic,
>
> You appear to miss the whole point sometimes, mate!!
>
> Rather than standby and let you aggravate a bloke like Downloader
> (not to mention many other folk here, who I also value greatly),
> which is deeply offensive to me, and many other people here, how
> about opening up a thread with just you and me, mate, on anything at
> all that tickles your fancy??
>
> That way, whatever the outcome may be, nobody else here will be
> responding to any of your posts, because it would also be a condition
> that you and I both post nowhere else for the duration of the thread,
> mate.
>
> What do you say - have you got the balls?
>
> If you haven't, I would urge everyone here to simply not reply to
> any of your posts, ever, so that, eventually, you would feel as
> though there was something wrong with you, wouldn't you, as any
> normal person would?
>
> What do you say, mate - yes or no? Quite simple.
>
> Anything other than a simple yes or no from you should be a signal
> to everyone else, and myself, to simply ignore your posts completely
> in the future.
>
> Can't be fairer than that, mate.
>
> Regards,
> John Ward
>
> "Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
> ...
> > boB writes:
> >
> > > Do you know how arrogant that is????
> >
> > There's nothing arrogant about it. A post filled with personal
> > attacks and nothing else does not address the topic of the thread,
> > nor does it answer the questions that I originally posted.
> > Therefore it is of no use to me.
> >
> > > Why should anyone help you at all???
> >
> > Because he knows the answers?
> >
> > -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

Doesn't bother me anymore JW! This new newsreader I'm using has a 'Bozo
Author" button, which I can set to not even download messages from
anyone I deem to be a Bozo! Guess who's on the list!

--
Crash Lander.
I'm not always right,
But I'm never wrong.

[John Ward[_2_]]

Me?

JW
"Crash Lander" > wrote in message
...
> John Ward wrote:
>
>> Hi Mxmanic,
>>
>> You appear to miss the whole point sometimes, mate!!
>>
>> Rather than standby and let you aggravate a bloke like Downloader
>> (not to mention many other folk here, who I also value greatly),
>> which is deeply offensive to me, and many other people here, how
>> about opening up a thread with just you and me, mate, on anything at
>> all that tickles your fancy??
>>
>> That way, whatever the outcome may be, nobody else here will be
>> responding to any of your posts, because it would also be a condition
>> that you and I both post nowhere else for the duration of the thread,
>> mate.
>>
>> What do you say - have you got the balls?
>>
>> If you haven't, I would urge everyone here to simply not reply to
>> any of your posts, ever, so that, eventually, you would feel as
>> though there was something wrong with you, wouldn't you, as any
>> normal person would?
>>
>> What do you say, mate - yes or no? Quite simple.
>>
>> Anything other than a simple yes or no from you should be a signal
>> to everyone else, and myself, to simply ignore your posts completely
>> in the future.
>>
>> Can't be fairer than that, mate.
>>
>> Regards,
>> John Ward
>>
>> "Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > boB writes:
>> >
>> > > Do you know how arrogant that is????
>> >
>> > There's nothing arrogant about it. A post filled with personal
>> > attacks and nothing else does not address the topic of the thread,
>> > nor does it answer the questions that I originally posted.
>> > Therefore it is of no use to me.
>> >
>> > > Why should anyone help you at all???
>> >
>> > Because he knows the answers?
>> >
>> > -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.
>
> Doesn't bother me anymore JW! This new newsreader I'm using has a 'Bozo
> Author" button, which I can set to not even download messages from
> anyone I deem to be a Bozo! Guess who's on the list!
>
> --
> Crash Lander.
> I'm not always right,
> But I'm never wrong.

[John Ward[_2_]]

Hi Crash Lander,

Never bothered me either, mate, personally - just a part of life's rich
tapestry, but I could tell that it bothered others.

Regards,
John Ward


"Crash Lander" > wrote in message
...
> John Ward wrote:
>
>> Hi Mxmanic,
>>
>> You appear to miss the whole point sometimes, mate!!
>>
>> Rather than standby and let you aggravate a bloke like Downloader
>> (not to mention many other folk here, who I also value greatly),
>> which is deeply offensive to me, and many other people here, how
>> about opening up a thread with just you and me, mate, on anything at
>> all that tickles your fancy??
>>
>> That way, whatever the outcome may be, nobody else here will be
>> responding to any of your posts, because it would also be a condition
>> that you and I both post nowhere else for the duration of the thread,
>> mate.
>>
>> What do you say - have you got the balls?
>>
>> If you haven't, I would urge everyone here to simply not reply to
>> any of your posts, ever, so that, eventually, you would feel as
>> though there was something wrong with you, wouldn't you, as any
>> normal person would?
>>
>> What do you say, mate - yes or no? Quite simple.
>>
>> Anything other than a simple yes or no from you should be a signal
>> to everyone else, and myself, to simply ignore your posts completely
>> in the future.
>>
>> Can't be fairer than that, mate.
>>
>> Regards,
>> John Ward
>>
>> "Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > boB writes:
>> >
>> > > Do you know how arrogant that is????
>> >
>> > There's nothing arrogant about it. A post filled with personal
>> > attacks and nothing else does not address the topic of the thread,
>> > nor does it answer the questions that I originally posted.
>> > Therefore it is of no use to me.
>> >
>> > > Why should anyone help you at all???
>> >
>> > Because he knows the answers?
>> >
>> > -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.
>
> Doesn't bother me anymore JW! This new newsreader I'm using has a 'Bozo
> Author" button, which I can set to not even download messages from
> anyone I deem to be a Bozo! Guess who's on the list!
>
> --
> Crash Lander.
> I'm not always right,
> But I'm never wrong.

[Mxsmanic]

John Ward writes:

> Rather than standby and let you aggravate a bloke like Downloader (not
> to mention many other folk here, who I also value greatly), which is deeply
> offensive to me, and many other people here, how about opening up a thread
> with just you and me, mate, on anything at all that tickles your fancy??

Do you know the answers to my 747-400 questions?

I think I may have found the answer to one of them. Apparently I'm supposed
to start one and two after closing the isolation valve to the opposite side of
the aircraft. Then, once they are running, I can open the value and use the
air to start three and four. I suppose the alarm has something to do with not
having enough bleed air or something (although I showed 35 psi, I think). The
documentation doesn't specifically address it, though.

> That way, whatever the outcome may be, nobody else here will be
> responding to any of your posts, because it would also be a condition that
> you and I both post nowhere else for the duration of the thread, mate.

I'm not interested in censorship, sorry.

> If you haven't, I would urge everyone here to simply not reply to any of
> your posts, ever, so that, eventually, you would feel as though there was
> something wrong with you, wouldn't you, as any normal person would?

There are thousands of people on this newsgroup. I doubt that all of them are
going to remain silent on your command alone.

> Anything other than a simple yes or no from you should be a signal to
> everyone else, and myself, to simply ignore your posts completely in the
> future.

If you can't answer my questions, there's no loss in that.

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[John Ward[_2_]]

That doesn't sound like a simple Yes/No Answer, to me, mate.

JW

"Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
...
> John Ward writes:
>
>> Rather than standby and let you aggravate a bloke like Downloader (not
>> to mention many other folk here, who I also value greatly), which is
>> deeply
>> offensive to me, and many other people here, how about opening up a
>> thread
>> with just you and me, mate, on anything at all that tickles your fancy??
>
> Do you know the answers to my 747-400 questions?
>
> I think I may have found the answer to one of them. Apparently I'm
> supposed
> to start one and two after closing the isolation valve to the opposite
> side of
> the aircraft. Then, once they are running, I can open the value and use
> the
> air to start three and four. I suppose the alarm has something to do with
> not
> having enough bleed air or something (although I showed 35 psi, I think).
> The
> documentation doesn't specifically address it, though.
>
>> That way, whatever the outcome may be, nobody else here will be
>> responding to any of your posts, because it would also be a condition
>> that
>> you and I both post nowhere else for the duration of the thread, mate.
>
> I'm not interested in censorship, sorry.
>
>> If you haven't, I would urge everyone here to simply not reply to any of
>> your posts, ever, so that, eventually, you would feel as though there was
>> something wrong with you, wouldn't you, as any normal person would?
>
> There are thousands of people on this newsgroup. I doubt that all of them
> are
> going to remain silent on your command alone.
>
>> Anything other than a simple yes or no from you should be a signal to
>> everyone else, and myself, to simply ignore your posts completely in the
>> future.
>
> If you can't answer my questions, there's no loss in that.
>
> --
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[Mxsmanic]

John Ward writes:

> That doesn't sound like a simple Yes/No Answer, to me, mate.

It's not.

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[Blanche]

Ron Garret > wrote:
> Mxsmanic > wrote:
>
>> I thought the U.S. was supposed to be a democracy.
>
>"Supposed to be" being the operative words here.

No, it's a republic.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_2_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> capt writes:
>
>> when I press F2 the reverse thrusters won't engage. I'ts a gitch in
>> the operatin' system I'm sure, cause I tried it in 2 of them, with
>> results the same
>
> Hmm. I think F2 is the standard for reducing thrust (and reversing
> thrust).
>
>> I've seen it in the 737-400 on the throttle panel, so do you have to
>> put the autopilot with altitude set on to use it
>
> In the default 737-400, I'm not sure how it works, but you should be
> able to turn on the autothrottle as you sit on the runway and set a
> speed or something and then engage it, and it should bring you up to
> take-off thrust.
>
> On the 737-800 from PMDG, which is much more faithful to real life,

How the **** would you know, wannabe boi?


bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_2_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> BT writes:
>
>> Because that's what the rules state.
>
> I thought the U.S. was supposed to be a democracy. Do you just obey
> whatever rules come along without question?
>
> In this case, it sounds like quite a stupid rule.

what a fjukkkwit



Bertie