Airbus loses UPS

[Jim Morris[_2_]]

http://www.playfuls.com/news_09_3987-UPS-to-Cancel-28B-Order-for-10-Airbus-A380-Freighters.html

Fearing Airbus will not be able to deliver before the new revised deadline
in 2012, United Parcel Service Inc., the world's largest package shipper,
has announced it will scrap their $2.8 billion order for 10 SAS A380
freighters. As such, Airbus lost the last customer on the freighter version
of its superjumbo jet.

FedEx Corp. dropped its 10-aircraft order in November, and International
Lease Finance Corp., the world's largest plane lessor, switched its order
for five freighters to passenger versions of the A380 a month later.

"UPS had intended to complete an internal study of whether it could wait
until 2012 for the aircraft, but now understands Airbus is diverting
employees from the A380 freighter program to work on the passenger version
of the plane," the shipping company said.

"Based on our previous discussions, we had felt that 2012 was a reasonable
estimate of when Airbus could supply this plane," David Abney, UPS chief
operating officer and president of UPS Airline, said in a statement. "We no
longer are confident that Airbus can adhere to that schedule."

UPS is concerned that Airbus has shifted employees from the A380 freighter
program to work on the passenger version of the plane, which makes much more
money. Airbus said on Thursday development of the A380F freighter had been
"temporarily cut off... so that all capacities can be directed at the A380
passenger version".

"Airbus is disappointed that UPS intends to cancel the A380 freighter
order," said Justin Dubon, a spokesman for Airbus in Toulouse, France. "We
respect the airline's decision, and this is consistent with the agreement we
reached last week."

UPS ordered its first 10 A380 aircraft in January 2005 for use on U.S.-Asia
routes. The triple-decker freighter has 2.4 times the lift capacity of a
Boeing 747, a big advantage for long routes with limited number of flights.

FedEx, after canceling its A380 order with Airbus in November, announced it
would purchase 15 U.S.-made Boeing 777 freighters with an option to buy 15
more.

Richard Branson's Virgin Atlantic, which has six A380's on order, said it
expects to decide within a month whether it will acquire new Airbus or
Boeing planes to help it deal with the delay. Virgin Atlantic will receive,
hopefully, their planes in 2013 if additional delays are not announced.

Airbus sees the A380F, which has a range of 10,400 kilometers and is capable
of carrying 150 tons of freight, as a rival to Boeing's 777F.

I just wonder how much more the A380 cancellations are going to tear into
Airbus' bottom line. Maybe the 'worlds largest airliner' was not a good idea
or maybe the wrong climate. The employees and contractors and suppliers the
world over are going to be hit hard, again!

Jim Morris

I don't have an A380 photo on this computer to post. Here is one of PHL's
A330's

[Ray O'Hara]

"Jim Morris" > wrote in message
...
>
>
>
http://www.playfuls.com/news_09_3987-UPS-to-Cancel-28B-Order-for-10-Airbus-A
380-Freighters.html
>
> Fearing Airbus will not be able to deliver before the new revised deadline
> in 2012, United Parcel Service Inc., the world's largest package shipper,
> has announced it will scrap their $2.8 billion order for 10 SAS A380
> freighters. As such, Airbus lost the last customer on the freighter
version
> of its superjumbo jet.

if airbus was supported by the governments it would have died years ago.
its the chrystler of the air.

[Scenic]

Ray O'Hara wrote:

>
> "Jim Morris" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>>
>
http://www.playfuls.com/news_09_3987-UPS-to-Cancel-28B-Order-for-10-Airbus-A
> 380-Freighters.html
>>
>> Fearing Airbus will not be able to deliver before the new revised
>> deadline in 2012, United Parcel Service Inc., the world's largest package
>> shipper, has announced it will scrap their $2.8 billion order for 10 SAS
>> A380 freighters. As such, Airbus lost the last customer on the freighter
> version
>> of its superjumbo jet.
>
> if airbus was supported by the governments it would have died years ago.
> its the chrystler of the air.

Whaaat?

[Les Matheson]

"Ray O'Hara" > wrote in message
. ..
>
>>
> if airbus was supported by the governments it would have died years ago.
> its the chrystler of the air.
>
>
But Airbus is supported by Governments - That's why it has lasted.

The Chrysler analogy is wrong. The U.S. guaranteed loans IF Chrysler
defaulted. They didn't, and the U.S. government never paid a penny to "bail
out " Chrysler. Chrysler paid off all it's loans the old fashioned way, by
making money with innovative products consumers wanted to buy. Sadly they
seem to have lost that ability.

Les

[Mitchell Holman[_2_]]

"Ray O'Hara" > wrote in
:

>
> "Jim Morris" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>>
> http://www.playfuls.com/news_09_3987-UPS-to-Cancel-28B-Order-for-10-Airbu
> s-A 380-Freighters.html
>>
>> Fearing Airbus will not be able to deliver before the new revised
>> deadline in 2012, United Parcel Service Inc., the world's largest
>> package shipper, has announced it will scrap their $2.8 billion order
>> for 10 SAS A380 freighters. As such, Airbus lost the last customer on
>> the freighter
> version
>> of its superjumbo jet.
>
> if airbus was supported by the governments it would have died years
> ago.
> its the chrystler of the air.


Boeing gets all the boosts government wants
to give it via it's military orders. Airbus doesn't
have that option.

[Mitchell Holman[_2_]]

"Jim Morris" > wrote in
:

>
>
> http://www.playfuls.com/news_09_3987-UPS-to-Cancel-28B-Order-for-10-Airbu
> s-A380-Freighters.html
>
> Fearing Airbus will not be able to deliver before the new revised
> deadline in 2012, United Parcel Service Inc., the world's largest
> package shipper, has announced it will scrap their $2.8 billion order
> for 10 SAS A380 freighters. As such, Airbus lost the last customer on
> the freighter version of its superjumbo jet.
>
> FedEx Corp. dropped its 10-aircraft order in November, and International
> Lease Finance Corp., the world's largest plane lessor, switched its
> order for five freighters to passenger versions of the A380 a month
> later.
>
> "UPS had intended to complete an internal study of whether it could wait
> until 2012 for the aircraft, but now understands Airbus is diverting
> employees from the A380 freighter program to work on the passenger
> version of the plane," the shipping company said.
>
> "Based on our previous discussions, we had felt that 2012 was a
> reasonable estimate of when Airbus could supply this plane," David
> Abney, UPS chief operating officer and president of UPS Airline, said in
> a statement. "We no longer are confident that Airbus can adhere to that
> schedule."
>
> UPS is concerned that Airbus has shifted employees from the A380
> freighter program to work on the passenger version of the plane, which
> makes much more money. Airbus said on Thursday development of the A380F
> freighter had been "temporarily cut off... so that all capacities can be
> directed at the A380 passenger version".
>
> "Airbus is disappointed that UPS intends to cancel the A380 freighter
> order," said Justin Dubon, a spokesman for Airbus in Toulouse, France.
> "We respect the airline's decision, and this is consistent with the
> agreement we reached last week."
>
> UPS ordered its first 10 A380 aircraft in January 2005 for use on
> U.S.-Asia routes. The triple-decker freighter has 2.4 times the lift
> capacity of a Boeing 747, a big advantage for long routes with limited
> number of flights.
>
> FedEx, after canceling its A380 order with Airbus in November, announced
> it would purchase 15 U.S.-made Boeing 777 freighters with an option to
> buy 15 more.
>
> Richard Branson's Virgin Atlantic, which has six A380's on order, said
> it expects to decide within a month whether it will acquire new Airbus
> or Boeing planes to help it deal with the delay. Virgin Atlantic will
> receive, hopefully, their planes in 2013 if additional delays are not
> announced.
>
> Airbus sees the A380F, which has a range of 10,400 kilometers and is
> capable of carrying 150 tons of freight, as a rival to Boeing's 777F.
>
> I just wonder how much more the A380 cancellations are going to tear
> into Airbus' bottom line. Maybe the 'worlds largest airliner' was not a
> good idea or maybe the wrong climate. The employees and contractors and
> suppliers the world over are going to be hit hard, again!


Remember the good old days when there were more
than two long haul airline builders in the world?

[Scenic]

Mitchell Holman wrote:

> Remember the good old days when there were more
> than two long haul airline builders in the world?

Airline builders?

[John Godwin]

Mitchell Holman > wrote in
:

> Boeing gets all the boosts government wants
> to give it via it's military orders. Airbus doesn't
> have that option.
>
What planet are you living on? Ever heard of the Eurofighter?

http://www.eads.net/1024/en/Trailer_EADS.html

--

[Jim Morris[_2_]]

> Remember the good old days when there were more
> than two long haul airline builders in the world?

Yes I do. Used to be 10-15 or so. Now there are only 2 building the "big"
ones.
Mitch, do you think the 787 Dreamliner will look as classy as the Connie?
Doubtful.

Jim Morris

[Jim Morris[_2_]]

"Jim Morris" > wrote in message
...
>> Remember the good old days when there were more
>> than two long haul airline builders in the world?
>
> Yes I do. Used to be 10-15 or so. Now there are only 2 building the "big"
> ones.
> Mitch, do you think the 787 Dreamliner will look as classy as the Connie?
> Doubtful.
>
> Jim Morris

Real airliners have round engines that snort, belch and fart when you start
them up.

Real airliners run on high octane avgas, not computer chips.

Real airliners have passengers who wear fancy clothes and look down
(literally) on the peasants.

Real airliners have grace and style

http://www.coastcomp.com/av/fltline2/airlin50.htm

Jim Morris

[Mitchell Holman[_2_]]

Scenic > wrote in news:newscache$ez5dej$qs6$1
@tomato.pcug.org.au:

> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>
>> Remember the good old days when there were more
>> than two long haul airline builders in the world?
>
> Airline builders?
>


Lockheed, Convair, McDonnel Douglas - where are they now?

[Scenic]

Mitchell Holman wrote:

> Scenic > wrote in news:newscache$ez5dej$qs6$1
> @tomato.pcug.org.au:
>
>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>
>>> Remember the good old days when there were more
>>> than two long haul airline builders in the world?
>>
>> Airline builders?
>>
>
>
> Lockheed, Convair, McDonnel Douglas - where are they now?

They were aircraft builders. Lockheed is still there, but not building
commercial aircraft. McDD has built its last commercial aircraft under the
arm of Boeing. You also need to add the UK and European ones if you're
trying to make that point. All the good aircraft builders in the UK got
done over by successive governments which wanted to guide the way things
went.

[David Hartung]

Mitchell Holman wrote:
> "Jim Morris" > wrote in
> :
>
>>
>> http://www.playfuls.com/news_09_3987-UPS-to-Cancel-28B-Order-for-10-Airbu
>> s-A380-Freighters.html
>>
>> Fearing Airbus will not be able to deliver before the new revised
>> deadline in 2012, United Parcel Service Inc., the world's largest
>> package shipper, has announced it will scrap their $2.8 billion order
>> for 10 SAS A380 freighters. As such, Airbus lost the last customer on
>> the freighter version of its superjumbo jet.
>>
>> FedEx Corp. dropped its 10-aircraft order in November, and International
>> Lease Finance Corp., the world's largest plane lessor, switched its
>> order for five freighters to passenger versions of the A380 a month
>> later.
>>
>> "UPS had intended to complete an internal study of whether it could wait
>> until 2012 for the aircraft, but now understands Airbus is diverting
>> employees from the A380 freighter program to work on the passenger
>> version of the plane," the shipping company said.
>>
>> "Based on our previous discussions, we had felt that 2012 was a
>> reasonable estimate of when Airbus could supply this plane," David
>> Abney, UPS chief operating officer and president of UPS Airline, said in
>> a statement. "We no longer are confident that Airbus can adhere to that
>> schedule."
>>
>> UPS is concerned that Airbus has shifted employees from the A380
>> freighter program to work on the passenger version of the plane, which
>> makes much more money. Airbus said on Thursday development of the A380F
>> freighter had been "temporarily cut off... so that all capacities can be
>> directed at the A380 passenger version".
>>
>> "Airbus is disappointed that UPS intends to cancel the A380 freighter
>> order," said Justin Dubon, a spokesman for Airbus in Toulouse, France.
>> "We respect the airline's decision, and this is consistent with the
>> agreement we reached last week."
>>
>> UPS ordered its first 10 A380 aircraft in January 2005 for use on
>> U.S.-Asia routes. The triple-decker freighter has 2.4 times the lift
>> capacity of a Boeing 747, a big advantage for long routes with limited
>> number of flights.
>>
>> FedEx, after canceling its A380 order with Airbus in November, announced
>> it would purchase 15 U.S.-made Boeing 777 freighters with an option to
>> buy 15 more.
>>
>> Richard Branson's Virgin Atlantic, which has six A380's on order, said
>> it expects to decide within a month whether it will acquire new Airbus
>> or Boeing planes to help it deal with the delay. Virgin Atlantic will
>> receive, hopefully, their planes in 2013 if additional delays are not
>> announced.
>>
>> Airbus sees the A380F, which has a range of 10,400 kilometers and is
>> capable of carrying 150 tons of freight, as a rival to Boeing's 777F.
>>
>> I just wonder how much more the A380 cancellations are going to tear
>> into Airbus' bottom line. Maybe the 'worlds largest airliner' was not a
>> good idea or maybe the wrong climate. The employees and contractors and
>> suppliers the world over are going to be hit hard, again!
>
>
> Remember the good old days when there were more
> than two long haul airline builders in the world?

Why were they "good"?

[Mitchell Holman[_2_]]

David Hartung > wrote in
:

> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> "Jim Morris" > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>>
>>> http://www.playfuls.com/news_09_3987-UPS-to-Cancel-28B-Order-for-10-
Airbu
>>> s-A380-Freighters.html
>>>
>>> Fearing Airbus will not be able to deliver before the new revised
>>> deadline in 2012, United Parcel Service Inc., the world's largest
>>> package shipper, has announced it will scrap their $2.8 billion order
>>> for 10 SAS A380 freighters. As such, Airbus lost the last customer on
>>> the freighter version of its superjumbo jet.
>>>
>>> FedEx Corp. dropped its 10-aircraft order in November, and
International
>>> Lease Finance Corp., the world's largest plane lessor, switched its
>>> order for five freighters to passenger versions of the A380 a month
>>> later.
>>>
>>> "UPS had intended to complete an internal study of whether it could
wait
>>> until 2012 for the aircraft, but now understands Airbus is diverting
>>> employees from the A380 freighter program to work on the passenger
>>> version of the plane," the shipping company said.
>>>
>>> "Based on our previous discussions, we had felt that 2012 was a
>>> reasonable estimate of when Airbus could supply this plane," David
>>> Abney, UPS chief operating officer and president of UPS Airline, said
in
>>> a statement. "We no longer are confident that Airbus can adhere to that
>>> schedule."
>>>
>>> UPS is concerned that Airbus has shifted employees from the A380
>>> freighter program to work on the passenger version of the plane, which
>>> makes much more money. Airbus said on Thursday development of the A380F
>>> freighter had been "temporarily cut off... so that all capacities can
be
>>> directed at the A380 passenger version".
>>>
>>> "Airbus is disappointed that UPS intends to cancel the A380 freighter
>>> order," said Justin Dubon, a spokesman for Airbus in Toulouse, France.
>>> "We respect the airline's decision, and this is consistent with the
>>> agreement we reached last week."
>>>
>>> UPS ordered its first 10 A380 aircraft in January 2005 for use on
>>> U.S.-Asia routes. The triple-decker freighter has 2.4 times the lift
>>> capacity of a Boeing 747, a big advantage for long routes with limited
>>> number of flights.
>>>
>>> FedEx, after canceling its A380 order with Airbus in November,
announced
>>> it would purchase 15 U.S.-made Boeing 777 freighters with an option to
>>> buy 15 more.
>>>
>>> Richard Branson's Virgin Atlantic, which has six A380's on order, said
>>> it expects to decide within a month whether it will acquire new Airbus
>>> or Boeing planes to help it deal with the delay. Virgin Atlantic will
>>> receive, hopefully, their planes in 2013 if additional delays are not
>>> announced.
>>>
>>> Airbus sees the A380F, which has a range of 10,400 kilometers and is
>>> capable of carrying 150 tons of freight, as a rival to Boeing's 777F.
>>>
>>> I just wonder how much more the A380 cancellations are going to tear
>>> into Airbus' bottom line. Maybe the 'worlds largest airliner' was not a
>>> good idea or maybe the wrong climate. The employees and contractors and
>>> suppliers the world over are going to be hit hard, again!
>>
>>
>> Remember the good old days when there were more
>> than two long haul airline builders in the world?
>
> Why were they "good"?


Choice is good, no?

[Blume, Alf]

"John Godwin" > skrev i en meddelelse
. 3.50...
> Mitchell Holman > wrote in
> :
>
>> Boeing gets all the boosts government wants
>> to give it via it's military orders. Airbus doesn't
>> have that option.
>>
> What planet are you living on? Ever heard of the Eurofighter?
>
> http://www.eads.net/1024/en/Trailer_EADS.html
>

And this has to do with Airbus - how?

[Rolf T. Kappe]

On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 18:02:00 +0100, "Blume, Alf"
<AlfBlume(a)hotmaildotcom> wrote:

>
>"John Godwin" > skrev i en meddelelse
. 3.50...
>> Mitchell Holman > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> Boeing gets all the boosts government wants
>>> to give it via it's military orders. Airbus doesn't
>>> have that option.
>>>
>> What planet are you living on? Ever heard of the Eurofighter?
>>
>> http://www.eads.net/1024/en/Trailer_EADS.html
>>
>
>And this has to do with Airbus - how?
>
Airbus is 100% owned by EADS.
--Rolf

[Greg[_2_]]

Ugly looking bugger..is'nt it?

Greg

[Ray O'Hara]

"Mitchell Holman" > wrote in message
...
> "Ray O'Hara" > wrote in
> :
>
> >
> > "Jim Morris" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
http://www.playfuls.com/news_09_3987-UPS-to-Cancel-28B-Order-for-10-Airbu
> > s-A 380-Freighters.html
> >>
> >> Fearing Airbus will not be able to deliver before the new revised
> >> deadline in 2012, United Parcel Service Inc., the world's largest
> >> package shipper, has announced it will scrap their $2.8 billion order
> >> for 10 SAS A380 freighters. As such, Airbus lost the last customer on
> >> the freighter
> > version
> >> of its superjumbo jet.
> >
> > if airbus was supported by the governments it would have died years
> > ago.
> > its the chrystler of the air.
>
>
> Boeing gets all the boosts government wants
> to give it via it's military orders. Airbus doesn't
> have that option.
>

boeing has to deliver planes for government money. airbus gets help with no
strings.

[Ray O'Hara]

"Mitchell Holman" > wrote in message
...
> David Hartung > wrote in
> :
>
> > Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >> "Jim Morris" > wrote in
> >> :
> >>
> >>>
> >>> http://www.playfuls.com/news_09_3987-UPS-to-Cancel-28B-Order-for-10-
> Airbu
> >>> s-A380-Freighters.html
> >>>
> >>> Fearing Airbus will not be able to deliver before the new revised
> >>> deadline in 2012, United Parcel Service Inc., the world's largest
> >>> package shipper, has announced it will scrap their $2.8 billion order
> >>> for 10 SAS A380 freighters. As such, Airbus lost the last customer on
> >>> the freighter version of its superjumbo jet.
> >>>
> >>> FedEx Corp. dropped its 10-aircraft order in November, and
> International
> >>> Lease Finance Corp., the world's largest plane lessor, switched its
> >>> order for five freighters to passenger versions of the A380 a month
> >>> later.
> >>>
> >>> "UPS had intended to complete an internal study of whether it could
> wait
> >>> until 2012 for the aircraft, but now understands Airbus is diverting
> >>> employees from the A380 freighter program to work on the passenger
> >>> version of the plane," the shipping company said.
> >>>
> >>> "Based on our previous discussions, we had felt that 2012 was a
> >>> reasonable estimate of when Airbus could supply this plane," David
> >>> Abney, UPS chief operating officer and president of UPS Airline, said
> in
> >>> a statement. "We no longer are confident that Airbus can adhere to
that
> >>> schedule."
> >>>
> >>> UPS is concerned that Airbus has shifted employees from the A380
> >>> freighter program to work on the passenger version of the plane, which
> >>> makes much more money. Airbus said on Thursday development of the
A380F
> >>> freighter had been "temporarily cut off... so that all capacities can
> be
> >>> directed at the A380 passenger version".
> >>>
> >>> "Airbus is disappointed that UPS intends to cancel the A380 freighter
> >>> order," said Justin Dubon, a spokesman for Airbus in Toulouse, France.
> >>> "We respect the airline's decision, and this is consistent with the
> >>> agreement we reached last week."
> >>>
> >>> UPS ordered its first 10 A380 aircraft in January 2005 for use on
> >>> U.S.-Asia routes. The triple-decker freighter has 2.4 times the lift
> >>> capacity of a Boeing 747, a big advantage for long routes with limited
> >>> number of flights.
> >>>
> >>> FedEx, after canceling its A380 order with Airbus in November,
> announced
> >>> it would purchase 15 U.S.-made Boeing 777 freighters with an option to
> >>> buy 15 more.
> >>>
> >>> Richard Branson's Virgin Atlantic, which has six A380's on order, said
> >>> it expects to decide within a month whether it will acquire new Airbus
> >>> or Boeing planes to help it deal with the delay. Virgin Atlantic will
> >>> receive, hopefully, their planes in 2013 if additional delays are not
> >>> announced.
> >>>
> >>> Airbus sees the A380F, which has a range of 10,400 kilometers and is
> >>> capable of carrying 150 tons of freight, as a rival to Boeing's 777F.
> >>>
> >>> I just wonder how much more the A380 cancellations are going to tear
> >>> into Airbus' bottom line. Maybe the 'worlds largest airliner' was not
a
> >>> good idea or maybe the wrong climate. The employees and contractors
and
> >>> suppliers the world over are going to be hit hard, again!
> >>
> >>
> >> Remember the good old days when there were more
> >> than two long haul airline builders in the world?
> >
> > Why were they "good"?
>
>
> Choice is good, no?
>
>
>
>

and they choose boeing. boeing delivers its planes.

[[email protected]]

Ray O'Hara wrote:
> ...
> and they choose boeing. boeing delivers its planes.
> ...

But American sattelites are still airlifted from the Moffett Field by
An-124's.