please help me with identifying this acft

[scott king]

I have just recently discover these pictures of my great uncle. I believe
the aircraft to be a b-17 or a b-24. I don't have a lot of experience
identifying planes of this era. any help would be appreciated

[Jim Morris[_2_]]

"scott king" > wrote in message
nk.net...
>I have just recently discover these pictures of my great uncle. I believe
>the aircraft to be a b-17 or a b-24. I don't have a lot of experience
>identifying planes of this era. any help would be appreciated

It is a B-24 Liberator.

Short story and links here:
http://tinpan.fortunecity.com/aprilskies/264/memories.html

And so much more history of that era here:
http://tinpan.fortunecity.com/aprilskies/264/oldbuck.html

You have a picture of a downed Liberator that may be historical and
precious. Value it.

Cheers,

Jim Morris via 15 minutes with www.Google.com/images

[Mitchell Holman[_2_]]

"scott king" > wrote in news:_3tGh.6343$PL.1823
@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net:

> I have just recently discover these pictures of my great uncle. I believe
> the aircraft to be a b-17 or a b-24. I don't have a lot of experience
> identifying planes of this era. any help would be appreciated
>
>

It is a B-25, the H model.

Fitted with 75 mm Cannon in nose for close
ground attack work.

[West Sanders]

B-25
"scott king" > wrote in message
nk.net...
> I have just recently discover these pictures of my great uncle. I believe
> the aircraft to be a b-17 or a b-24. I don't have a lot of experience
> identifying planes of this era. any help would be appreciated
>
>
>

[Jim Morris[_2_]]

"Mitchell Holman" > wrote in message
...
> "scott king" > wrote in news:_3tGh.6343$PL.1823
> @newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net:
>
>> I have just recently discover these pictures of my great uncle. I believe
>> the aircraft to be a b-17 or a b-24. I don't have a lot of experience
>> identifying planes of this era. any help would be appreciated
>>
>>
>
> It is a B-25, the H model.
>
> Fitted with 75 mm Cannon in nose for close
> ground attack work.

I guess there were many aircraft with the same "nose art" names.
I thought it was a B-25 myself but all I could find on the web was this:

42-52191 LILLIE BELLE B-24H-10-FO N Ditched in North Sea 3/6/1944. One
survivor: Lt. Gerald J. Cyr


But on this aircraft the name is spelled differently. Lillie Bell.
Oh well, I tried but am normally wrong.

Jim Morris

[John Stewart]

"scott king" > wrote in
nk.net:

> I have just recently discover these pictures of my great uncle. I
> believe the aircraft to be a b-17 or a b-24. I don't have a lot of
> experience identifying planes of this era. any help would be
> appreciated
>
>
> begin 666 B-25.jpg
>
> Attachment decoded: B-25.jpg
> `
> end
>
> begin 666 E&B-25.jpg
>
> Attachment decoded: E&B-25.jpg
> `
> end
>

North American B-25 Mitchell, probably a B-25G. Only WWII aircraft to
mount a 75mm cannon in the nose.

[Syke]

"John Stewart" > wrote in message
. 3.44...
> "scott king" > wrote in
> nk.net:
>
>> I have just recently discover these pictures of my great uncle. I
>> believe the aircraft to be a b-17 or a b-24. I don't have a lot of
>> experience identifying planes of this era. any help would be
>> appreciated
>>
>>
>> begin 666 B-25.jpg
>>
>> Attachment decoded: B-25.jpg
>> `
>> end
>>
>> begin 666 E&B-25.jpg
>>
>> Attachment decoded: E&B-25.jpg
>> `
>> end
>>
>
> North American B-25 Mitchell, probably a B-25G. Only WWII aircraft to
> mount a 75mm cannon in the nose.

I think you'll find that the Henschel Hs 129 B-3 carried a 75mm gun in the
nose, but not very successfully.

Pat Macguire

[Enzo Matrix]

Syke wrote:
> "John Stewart" > wrote in message
> . 3.44...
>> "scott king" > wrote in
>> nk.net:
>>
>>> I have just recently discover these pictures of my great uncle. I
>>> believe the aircraft to be a b-17 or a b-24. I don't have a lot of
>>> experience identifying planes of this era. any help would be
>>> appreciated
>>>
>>>
>>> begin 666 B-25.jpg
>>>
>>> Attachment decoded: B-25.jpg
>>> `
>>> end
>>>
>>> begin 666 E&B-25.jpg
>>>
>>> Attachment decoded: E&B-25.jpg
>>> `
>>> end
>>>
>>
>> North American B-25 Mitchell, probably a B-25G. Only WWII aircraft
>> to mount a 75mm cannon in the nose.
>
> I think you'll find that the Henschel Hs 129 B-3 carried a 75mm gun
> in the nose, but not very successfully.

The Mosquito XVIII carried a 6-pdr Molins gun, but that was 57mm calibre.
It gave U-boat crews something to think about, though!

--
Enzo

I wear the cheese. It does not wear me.

[[email protected]]

With the twin .50s in the nose above the .75 mm cannon my vote is for a
B-25H. And the tropical background is a dead givaway for the Pacific
theater.

Interesting shot and it's always nice to see new nose art.

Brian

[CWO4 Dave Mann]

scott king wrote:
> I have just recently discover these pictures of my great uncle. I believe
> the aircraft to be a b-17 or a b-24. I don't have a lot of experience
> identifying planes of this era. any help would be appreciated
>
>
>
This is a photograph of a Douglas Aircraft Company B-25-H, called the
"Mitchell" after General Billy Mitchell.

http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-air-support/ww2-allied/mitchell_b15.htm

This site has a good amount of info and talks about the development from
the B-18 Bolo.

This model B25 was fitted with a 75mm cannon (the large apeture on the
lower right of the nose nacelle. It is probably this design which
prompted later designers to come up with the AC-47, AC-119 and AC-130
"Gun Ships (viz.).

While the P39 Airacobra had a 37mm slow firing automatic cannon (cyclic
rate of about 4 rpm), the B25H had a gunner/loader whose job was to feed
the rounds into the modified 75mm pack howitzer.

Note that the B-17 and B-25 are four-engine aircraft whilst the B-25 is
a twin engine aeroplane.

HTH,

Dave

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"scott king" > wrote in message
nk.net...
>
> I have just recently discover these pictures of my great uncle. I believe
> the aircraft to be a b-17 or a b-24. I don't have a lot of experience
> identifying planes of this era. any help would be appreciated

North American B-25G Mitchell

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Jim Morris" > wrote in message
...
>
> "scott king" > wrote in message
> nk.net...
>>I have just recently discover these pictures of my great uncle. I believe
>>the aircraft to be a b-17 or a b-24. I don't have a lot of experience
>>identifying planes of this era. any help would be appreciated
>
> It is a B-24 Liberator.
>
> Short story and links here:
> http://tinpan.fortunecity.com/aprilskies/264/memories.html
>
> And so much more history of that era here:
> http://tinpan.fortunecity.com/aprilskies/264/oldbuck.html
>
> You have a picture of a downed Liberator that may be historical and
> precious. Value it.
>

The photograph is of a North American B-25G Mitchell. With so many aircraft
there was bound to be duplication of names.

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Mitchell Holman" > wrote in message
...
>
> It is a B-25, the H model.
>

No, it's a B-25G. The B-25H had two more .50s in the nose and the upper
turret moved forward.

[Steven P. McNicoll]

> wrote in message
g.com...
>
> With the twin .50s in the nose above the .75 mm cannon my vote is for a
> B-25H.
>

Most B-25Hs had four .50s in the nose, all were built with the upper turret
moved forward. The airplane in the photo is a B-25G.

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"CWO4 Dave Mann" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> This is a photograph of a Douglas Aircraft Company B-25-H, called the
> "Mitchell" after General Billy Mitchell.
>
> http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-air-support/ww2-allied/mitchell_b15.htm
>
> This site has a good amount of info and talks about the development from
> the B-18 Bolo.
>

North American developed the B-25, not Douglas.

[CWO4 Dave Mann]

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
> "CWO4 Dave Mann" > wrote in message
> . ..
>> This is a photograph of a Douglas Aircraft Company B-25-H, called the
>> "Mitchell" after General Billy Mitchell.
>>
>> http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-air-support/ww2-allied/mitchell_b15.htm
>>
>> This site has a good amount of info and talks about the development from
>> the B-18 Bolo.
>>
>
> North American developed the B-25, not Douglas.
>
>

Of course. Sorry -- brain freeze!

Cheers,

Dave

[Mitchell Holman[_2_]]

"Steven P. McNicoll" > wrote in news:GbCGh.8495$_
:

>
> "Mitchell Holman" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> It is a B-25, the H model.
>>
>
> No, it's a B-25G. The B-25H had two more .50s in the nose and the upper
> turret moved forward.
>
>

[Herman]

"Syke" > schreef in bericht
...
>
> "John Stewart" > wrote in message
> . 3.44...
>> "scott king" > wrote in
>> nk.net:
>>
>>> I have just recently discover these pictures of my great uncle. I
>>> believe the aircraft to be a b-17 or a b-24. I don't have a lot of
>>> experience identifying planes of this era. any help would be
>>> appreciated
>>>
>>>
>>> begin 666 B-25.jpg
>>>
>>> Attachment decoded: B-25.jpg
>>> `
>>> end
>>>
>>> begin 666 E&B-25.jpg
>>>
>>> Attachment decoded: E&B-25.jpg
>>> `
>>> end
>>>
>>
>> North American B-25 Mitchell, probably a B-25G. Only WWII aircraft to
>> mount a 75mm cannon in the nose.
>
> I think you'll find that the Henschel Hs 129 B-3 carried a 75mm gun in the
> nose, but not very successfully.
>
> Pat Macguire
I will have to disagree here. Together with the PaK 37 equipped Stuka the Hs
129 was a very succesful can-opener on the Russian front.

Regards,
Herman

[[email protected]]

Ah, "G" and "H" are right next to each other on the keyboard. I shoulh have
typed G, especially with the twin vs. quad .50s in the nose.

Brian

[Peavey_HP_Signature_Guy]

"Herman" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Syke" > schreef in bericht
> ...
>>
>> "John Stewart" > wrote in message
>> . 3.44...
>>> "scott king" > wrote in
>>> nk.net:
>>>
>>>> I have just recently discover these pictures of my great uncle. I
>>>> believe the aircraft to be a b-17 or a b-24. I don't have a lot of
>>>> experience identifying planes of this era. any help would be
>>>> appreciated
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> begin 666 B-25.jpg
>>>>
>>>> Attachment decoded: B-25.jpg
>>>> `
>>>> end
>>>>
>>>> begin 666 E&B-25.jpg
>>>>
>>>> Attachment decoded: E&B-25.jpg
>>>> `
>>>> end
>>>>
>>>
>>> North American B-25 Mitchell, probably a B-25G. Only WWII aircraft to
>>> mount a 75mm cannon in the nose.
>>
>> I think you'll find that the Henschel Hs 129 B-3 carried a 75mm gun in
>> the nose, but not very successfully.
>>
>> Pat Macguire
> I will have to disagree here. Together with the PaK 37 equipped Stuka the
> Hs 129 was a very succesful can-opener on the Russian front.
>
> Regards,
> Herman
>

Just not successful enough...thank God...

[Blume, Alf]

Hello, Peavey_HP_Signature_Guy!
You wrote on Mon, 5 Mar 2007 16:27:59 -0600:

>> Hs 129 was a very succesful can-opener on the Russian front.

>> Regards,
>> Herman

PHS> Just not successful enough...thank God...

That's like saying the B-52 was not succesful enough in Vietnam - you can
not sum up an aircraft like that . .

[Dave Kearton]

Blume, Alf wrote:
> Hello, Peavey_HP_Signature_Guy!
> You wrote on Mon, 5 Mar 2007 16:27:59 -0600:
>
>>> Hs 129 was a very succesful can-opener on the Russian front.
>
>>> Regards,
>>> Herman
>
>> Just not successful enough...thank God...
>
> That's like saying the B-52 was not succesful enough in Vietnam - you
> can not sum up an aircraft like that . .



Thank goodness, that one never mated witha 262, even though it was ready
for it.




--

Cheers

Dave Kearton