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[Jim[_3_]]

c-150 crashed into house Man and 8 year old daughter Possible suicide
flight http://www.wishtv.com/

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Jim" > wrote in message
...
> c-150 crashed into house Man and 8 year old daughter Possible suicide
> flight http://www.wishtv.com/

Someone needs to show that to all government officials that are in favor of
keeping all of the permanent temporary flight restricted areas.

That 150 hardly tore a hole in a wood frame home.

Lots to fear from GA suicide pilots, huh?
--
Jim in NC

[Kyle Boatright]

I can't understand how/why they would venture a "suicide" theory so soon.
That may be the case, but lots more people have hit a house while buzzing it
than have hit one kamikaze style.





"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Jim" > wrote in message
> ...
>> c-150 crashed into house Man and 8 year old daughter Possible suicide
>> flight http://www.wishtv.com/
>
> Someone needs to show that to all government officials that are in favor
> of keeping all of the permanent temporary flight restricted areas.
>
> That 150 hardly tore a hole in a wood frame home.
>
> Lots to fear from GA suicide pilots, huh?
> --
> Jim in NC
>

[Marco Leon]

"Kyle Boatright" > wrote in message
. ..
>I can't understand how/why they would venture a "suicide" theory so soon.
>That may be the case, but lots more people have hit a house while buzzing
>it than have hit one kamikaze style.

Ask yourself what the odds are of the following facts:
- separated from wife
- daughter kidnapped the day before (reported missing by mother)
- of all the houses to hit, they hit the ex-wife's mother's house

Yeah, they could have been buzzing the house but how many guys kidnap their
own daughter to go sightseeing in a rental?

Marco

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Kyle Boatright" > wrote ...
>I can't understand how/why they would venture a "suicide" theory so soon.
>That may be the case, but lots more people have hit a house while buzzing
>it than have hit one kamikaze style.

It was his estranged wife's mother's house.

A real case of "disliking" your mother-in-law!

Does that change your idea of why they are jumping to that conclusion? :-(
--
Jim in NC

[Kyle Boatright]

"Marco Leon" > wrote in message
...
> "Kyle Boatright" > wrote in message
> . ..
>>I can't understand how/why they would venture a "suicide" theory so soon.
>>That may be the case, but lots more people have hit a house while buzzing
>>it than have hit one kamikaze style.
>
> Ask yourself what the odds are of the following facts:
> - separated from wife
> - daughter kidnapped the day before (reported missing by mother)
> - of all the houses to hit, they hit the ex-wife's mother's house
>
> Yeah, they could have been buzzing the house but how many guys kidnap
> their own daughter to go sightseeing in a rental?
>
> Marco

I missed the suspicious items in the story. I must have either skimmed it,
read an early version, or read an abbreviated version.

Anyway, it makes more sense now. From my original perspective, it looked
like the speculators were getting way ahead of themselves.

KB

[Bob Clough]

Jim wrote:
> c-150 crashed into house Man and 8 year old daughter Possible suicide
> flight http://www.wishtv.com/

If that's what happened, it's not called suicide...it's murder.

Sad, sad, sad...

[Montblack]

("Marco Leon" wrote)
> Yeah, they could have been buzzing the house but how many guys kidnap
> their own daughter to go sightseeing in a rental?


Not to be pick nits, but I don't believe you can kidnap your own daughter.

Words mean something ...and kidnap means something else, in my book.

Sorry, just my 2 cents worth.


Montblack

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Montblack" wrote >
>
> Not to be pick nits, but I don't believe you can kidnap your own daughter.
>
> Words mean something ...and kidnap means something else, in my book.
>
> Sorry, just my 2 cents worth.

If it was his estranged wife, as the report said, and depending on custody
arrangements, it would be considered a kidnapping, if the mother had custody
at the time.
--
Jim in NC

[Mxsmanic]

Montblack writes:

> Not to be pick nits, but I don't believe you can kidnap
> your own daughter.

You can, if you don't have legal custody of her.

The vast majority of "child abductions" you hear about are in fact one parent
"kidnapping" a child from the other parent who has exclusive or principal
custody.

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

[Montblack]

("Morgans" wrote)
> If it was his estranged wife, as the report said, and depending on custody
> arrangements, it would be considered a kidnapping, if the mother had
> custody at the time.


Granted, that's the current jargon, I simply disagree with the inference -
that a father can kidnap his own daughter.

Much like calling someone "verbally abusive" or "emotionally abusive" kind
of gloms onto a word that used to mean something a little more specific.
Those terms (for example) have an inflated potency (in court say) because of
what "abuse" really means.

Getting back to the nut-job murdering SOB!

I'll do Dr. Jack K one better, and maybe land myself a gig on cable TV's
"Dirty Jobs."

If you feel like you need to go out in a blaze of glory (while also making a
statement) my company will arrange it for you. You choose from one of our
five (FREE) package deals. Again, all at no cost to you!

The only requirement is ...DO NOT include your sweet little daughter in some
pitiful quest for finality. No airplanes either!


Montblack
No medicals required!

[Jim[_3_]]

Bob Clough wrote:
> Jim wrote:
>
>> c-150 crashed into house Man and 8 year old daughter Possible
>> suicide flight http://www.wishtv.com/
>
>
> If that's what happened, it's not called suicide...it's murder.
>
> Sad, sad, sad...


I was told he only had 1 supervised solo
I know for a fact the house is only about 100 yards from end of runway

Mighty close to be buzzing and wasnt cleared to solo without supervision

[Matt Whiting]

Montblack wrote:
> ("Marco Leon" wrote)
>> Yeah, they could have been buzzing the house but how many guys kidnap
>> their own daughter to go sightseeing in a rental?
>
>
> Not to be pick nits, but I don't believe you can kidnap your own daughter.
>
> Words mean something ...and kidnap means something else, in my book.

If you don't have legal custody you can...

Matt

[[email protected]]

On Mar 6, 4:24 am, Jim > wrote:
> Bob Clough wrote:
> > Jim wrote:
>
> >> c-150 crashed into house Man and 8 year old daughter Possible
> >> suicide flight http://www.wishtv.com/
>
> > If that's what happened, it's not called suicide...it's murder.
>
> > Sad, sad, sad...
>
> I was told he only had 1 supervised solo
> I know for a fact the house is only about 100 yards from end of runway
>
> Mighty close to be buzzing and wasnt cleared to solo without supervision

This guy clearly had his short field landings down pat... Too bad he
took out the little girl and a good plane in the
process.................

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Montblack" < wrote

>
> The only requirement is ...DO NOT include your sweet little daughter in
> some pitiful quest for finality. No airplanes either!
>
>
> Montblack
> No medicals required!

On the subject of medicals, I have to wonder if this guy had been on
anti-depressants, if he and his daughter would still be alive.

Medicals obviously don't catch mental problems, do they?
--
Jim in NC

[Marco Leon]

"Kyle Boatright" > wrote in message
...
>
> I missed the suspicious items in the story. I must have either skimmed it,
> read an early version, or read an abbreviated version.
>
> Anyway, it makes more sense now. From my original perspective, it looked
> like the speculators were getting way ahead of themselves.

Well, Kyle, no one here will ever blame you for assuming that the media has
a tendancy to jump to conclusions!

Besides, the details were not in most of the overview articles.

Marco

[Mike Proctor]

Morgans wrote:
> "Montblack" < wrote
>
>> The only requirement is ...DO NOT include your sweet little daughter in
>> some pitiful quest for finality. No airplanes either!
>>
>>
>> Montblack
>> No medicals required!
>
> On the subject of medicals, I have to wonder if this guy had been on
> anti-depressants, if he and his daughter would still be alive.
>
> Medicals obviously don't catch mental problems, do they?

If he soloed in a 150 he would have had to pass a medical.

[Guy Elden Jr]

On Mar 5, 9:37 pm, Jim > wrote:
> c-150 crashed into house Man and 8 year old daughter Possible suicide
> flight http://www.wishtv.com/


*sigh* ... wonder how long before the ex-wife sues Cessna for
manufacturing a "deadly" airplane.

[Marco Leon]

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
> On the subject of medicals, I have to wonder if this guy had been on
> anti-depressants, if he and his daughter would still be alive.
>
> Medicals obviously don't catch mental problems, do they?

I don't believe they test for it so they rely on what you answer on the
form.

Marco

[Marco Leon]

"Guy Elden Jr" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> *sigh* ... wonder how long before the ex-wife sues Cessna for
> manufacturing a "deadly" airplane.

Something tells me it's the same amount of time it takes for a lawyer to
track down her phone number and dial it.

[Don Tuite]

On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 15:08:16 -0500, "Marco Leon" >
wrote:

>"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>> On the subject of medicals, I have to wonder if this guy had been on
>> anti-depressants, if he and his daughter would still be alive.
>>
>> Medicals obviously don't catch mental problems, do they?
>
>I don't believe they test for it so they rely on what you answer on the
>form.
>
I'm not sure happy pills would have done much good. There are people
who see others as simply tools to be manipulated to achieve some
objective -- including hurting other people they are angry with. The
mother who used her baby to hit her husband over the head with is one
example. When a suicide is involved, it could more a case of berserk
agression than of depression.

It's a wiring defect that can sometimes be channeled to make good (and
I'm not being snide) CEOs and Generals.

Don

[Tony]

About anti depressants -- sorry, Jim, but their use has to be
carefully monitored -- you probably already knew that. One of the side
effects ooften mentioned is "thoughts of suicide". "Under professional
care" might have helped, but you know, an intellegent person with a
mental disorder can who chooses to can often mislead a psychologest.
Getting help for mental illnesses almost always requires a cooperative
patient.





On Mar 6, 11:42 am, "Morgans" > wrote:
> "Montblack" < wrote
>
>
>
> > The only requirement is ...DO NOT include your sweet little daughter in
> > some pitiful quest for finality. No airplanes either!
>
> > Montblack
> > No medicals required!
>
> On the subject of medicals, I have to wonder if this guy had been on
> anti-depressants, if he and his daughter would still be alive.
>
> Medicals obviously don't catch mental problems, do they?
> --
> Jim in NC

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Tony" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> About anti depressants -- sorry, Jim, but their use has to be
> carefully monitored -- you probably already knew that. One of the side
> effects ooften mentioned is "thoughts of suicide".

I thought the suicide problem was encountered in the initial stages of
getting used to the drugs.

I don't know-don't need them. It does seem strange that people can fly
around without them and have a medical, but if they really need them, they
can't have them, and have a medical.

This is really just a rant about the FAA's slow to adapt / sometimes
puzzling stance on medicals.
--
Jim in NC

[Peter Dohm]

> > Yeah, they could have been buzzing the house but how many guys kidnap
> > their own daughter to go sightseeing in a rental?
>
>
> Not to be pick nits, but I don't believe you can kidnap your own daughter.
>
> Words mean something ...and kidnap means something else, in my book.
>
I agree. It appears to be a way to dramatically increase the stakes in
contempt of court cases--as it certainly appears to have done in this
instance.

> Sorry, just my 2 cents worth.
>
I am sorry about the daughter, who was a bit player at most. But I am not
at all sorry about what either of us said!

Peter