XM weather - anyone using it?

[Eric Greenwell]

Is anyone using XM weather in a glider? If so, what system are you using
to get it, and how is it working out? What features are useful?

Or, is there anyone using it in an airplane, and thinks it would be
great to have in a glider?

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Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA
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[bumper]

Eric,

I started out using the XM weather "lite" package on my Garmin 396 in the
Mooney. The lite package costs $29 a month, but does not include lightning,
winds aloft, storm cells, cloud tops and more. After upgrading to the $50
full weather package for a trip (you can enable for a month and then cancel
again for no start-up fee), I was so impressed I just kept the full weather.

At first, I figured I'd continue to use the 196 in the glider, due to its
lower current drain and easy to see mono screen. But after getting used to
having the weather data, I started using the 396 in the glider. Love it.

Going cross country, you can see bands of lightning strikes and precip and
route accordingly. Winds aloft is great, and you can scroll to different
altitudes. TFR, METARS, TAFs, current altimeter from nearest weather source,
and lots more.

The 496, came out after I bought the 396, even has the complete AOPA
database with airport diagrams on board.

bumper


"Eric Greenwell" > wrote in message
news:WZrIh.44$Hb6.21@trndny03...
> Is anyone using XM weather in a glider? If so, what system are you using
> to get it, and how is it working out? What features are useful?
>
> Or, is there anyone using it in an airplane, and thinks it would be great
> to have in a glider?
>
> --
> Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA
> * Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly
> * "Transponders in Sailplanes" http://tinyurl.com/y739x4
> * "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" at www.motorglider.org

[Andy[_1_]]

I have a Garmin 396. I also had the lite weather, upgraded to full
for Oshkosh last year and have not reverted to Lite. The winds aloft,
cloud cover, and storm cell depictions were very nice to have on the
return from Oshkosh to Phoenix.

I have not used it in the glider mostly because I didn't do much
soaring last year. I think its use in contests is prohibited, but I
think it would be very helpful for non contest XC.

The Garmin XM antenna is a power hog though. You can run the 396 all
day on batteries without it but you need external power if the XM
antenna is connected. I have found no way to turn off the antenna and
leave it connected.


Andy

[[email protected]]

I've heard of the GMX30(A) being a power hog from a few owners. Has
anybody measured how much power it (or the GPS+GMX30A combination)
consumes? Numbers for 12 volt external power draw with a fully charged
GPS battery and a flat GPS battery would be great ...

Thanks

Darryl

On Mar 10, 5:58 am, "Andy" > wrote:
> I have a Garmin 396. I also had the lite weather, upgraded to full
> for Oshkosh last year and have not reverted to Lite. The winds aloft,
> cloud cover, and storm cell depictions were very nice to have on the
> return from Oshkosh to Phoenix.
>
> I have not used it in the glider mostly because I didn't do much
> soaring last year. I think its use in contests is prohibited, but I
> think it would be very helpful for non contest XC.
>
> The Garmin XM antenna is a power hog though. You can run the 396 all
> day on batteries without it but you need external power if the XM
> antenna is connected. I have found no way to turn off the antenna and
> leave it connected.
>
> Andy

[Eric Greenwell]

Andy wrote:
> I have a Garmin 396. I also had the lite weather, upgraded to full
> for Oshkosh last year and have not reverted to Lite. The winds aloft,
> cloud cover, and storm cell depictions were very nice to have on the
> return from Oshkosh to Phoenix.
>
> I have not used it in the glider mostly because I didn't do much
> soaring last year. I think its use in contests is prohibited, but I
> think it would be very helpful for non contest XC.
>
> The Garmin XM antenna is a power hog though. You can run the 396 all
> day on batteries without it but you need external power if the XM
> antenna is connected. I have found no way to turn off the antenna and
> leave it connected.

One can also get XM weather using a PDA and Anywhere Weather. It's much
cheaper solution than a 396, and could serve as a backup soaring
computer. Possibly, one could switch between the two programs and get by
with only one PDA in the cockpit. I don't know what draws for power. Can
anyone comment on Anywhere Weather?

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA
* Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly
* "Transponders in Sailplanes" http://tinyurl.com/y739x4
* "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" at www.motorglider.org

[RL]

For slightly different approach I use Pilot My-Cast on my mobile phone
(not a cell phone as mentioned in previous discussions).

https://secure.my-cast.com/pilot.jsp

It works very well in both the glider and the C-172 and I've found it
routinely useful in keeping up to speed on changing weather, dodging
scattered precip, etc. The Sat images are particulary good for an in-
flight snapshot of conditions.

Bob

[[email protected]]

Eric

WX Worx spec the receiver as 1 amp at 9 volts. Ouch. The Manual for
Anywhere Map XP warns the same XM antenna draws over 1 amp.This seems
to be the most popular (only other portable?) non-Garmin XM Weather
receiver.

The other problem is visibility of the map displays. On my iPAQ 4700
running SeeYou Mobile my 40+ year old eyes can barely see anything at
maximum backlight unless I turn off terrain so the background is
white. I can't think how bad trying to look at XM weather cloud tops
or Nexerad might be. And I've go a very good PDA mount position with
the PDA close to me, angled to minimise sky reflections and using a
cleartouch screen protectors (which improve thigns slightly). I know
peoples contrast tollerance with transflective displays varies a lot
but still I coudl not imagine trying to look at this stuff on my PDA
display.

Again, it would be geat if anybody has power consumption numbers for a
Garmin 396 or 496 with and without the XM weather antenna operating.
Ideally also with internal battery charging and internal barttery
fully charged. I've asked Garmin for this information as well. As far
as I know there is also no way to set the backlight to timeout on the
396 or 496 while it has external power. So these numbers should
ideally be at whatever backlight setting makes the display reasonably
daylight readable.

BTW the WX Worx bluetooth antenna would be really nice, having to run
another cable for the Garmin antenna is a pain.


Darryl


On Mar 10, 10:16 am, Eric Greenwell > wrote:
> Andy wrote:
> > I have a Garmin 396. I also had the lite weather, upgraded to full
> > for Oshkosh last year and have not reverted to Lite. The winds aloft,
> > cloud cover, and storm cell depictions were very nice to have on the
> > return from Oshkosh to Phoenix.
>
> > I have not used it in the glider mostly because I didn't do much
> > soaring last year. I think its use in contests is prohibited, but I
> > think it would be very helpful for non contest XC.
>
> > The Garmin XM antenna is a power hog though. You can run the 396 all
> > day on batteries without it but you need external power if the XM
> > antenna is connected. I have found no way to turn off the antenna and
> > leave it connected.
>
> One can also get XM weather using a PDA and Anywhere Weather. It's much
> cheaper solution than a 396, and could serve as a backup soaring
> computer. Possibly, one could switch between the two programs and get by
> with only one PDA in the cockpit. I don't know what draws for power. Can
> anyone comment on Anywhere Weather?
>
> --
> Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA
> * Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly
> * "Transponders in Sailplanes"http://tinyurl.com/y739x4
> * "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" atwww.motorglider.org

[[email protected]]

I clicked send to fast, I also had meant to add that Garmin's specs
for the GXM-30 and GXM 30/A XM antennas state that the antenna alone
consumes 4.5 Watts at 4.5 to 5.5 VDC (i.e. about 0.4 amp equivalent at
12 volts). Not insignificant (> a good transponder) anecdotely it
seems that the XM antennas (plus overhead on the GPS unit?) consume
more than this so some real world measurments of the total draw at 12
volts of the GPS and antenna would be great.

Thanks


Darryl

On Mar 12, 1:39 pm, " >
wrote:
> Eric
>
> WX Worx spec the receiver as 1 amp at 9 volts. Ouch. The Manual for
> Anywhere Map XP warns the same XM antenna draws over 1 amp.This seems
> to be the most popular (only other portable?) non-Garmin XM Weather
> receiver.
>
> The other problem is visibility of the map displays. On my iPAQ 4700
> running SeeYou Mobile my 40+ year old eyes can barely see anything at
> maximum backlight unless I turn off terrain so the background is
> white. I can't think how bad trying to look at XM weather cloud tops
> or Nexerad might be. And I've go a very good PDA mount position with
> the PDA close to me, angled to minimise sky reflections and using a
> cleartouch screen protectors (which improve thigns slightly). I know
> peoples contrast tollerance with transflective displays varies a lot
> but still I coudl not imagine trying to look at this stuff on my PDA
> display.
>
> Again, it would be geat if anybody has power consumption numbers for a
> Garmin 396 or 496 with and without the XM weather antenna operating.
> Ideally also with internal battery charging and internal barttery
> fully charged. I've asked Garmin for this information as well. As far
> as I know there is also no way to set the backlight to timeout on the
> 396 or 496 while it has external power. So these numbers should
> ideally be at whatever backlight setting makes the display reasonably
> daylight readable.
>
> BTW the WX Worx bluetooth antenna would be really nice, having to run
> another cable for the Garmin antenna is a pain.
>
> Darryl
>
> On Mar 10, 10:16 am, Eric Greenwell > wrote:
>
> > Andy wrote:
> > > I have a Garmin 396. I also had the lite weather, upgraded to full
> > > for Oshkosh last year and have not reverted to Lite. The winds aloft,
> > > cloud cover, and storm cell depictions were very nice to have on the
> > > return from Oshkosh to Phoenix.
>
> > > I have not used it in the glider mostly because I didn't do much
> > > soaring last year. I think its use in contests is prohibited, but I
> > > think it would be very helpful for non contest XC.
>
> > > The Garmin XM antenna is a power hog though. You can run the 396 all
> > > day on batteries without it but you need external power if the XM
> > > antenna is connected. I have found no way to turn off the antenna and
> > > leave it connected.
>
> > One can also get XM weather using a PDA and Anywhere Weather. It's much
> > cheaper solution than a 396, and could serve as a backup soaring
> > computer. Possibly, one could switch between the two programs and get by
> > with only one PDA in the cockpit. I don't know what draws for power. Can
> > anyone comment on Anywhere Weather?
>
> > --
> > Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA
> > * Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly
> > * "Transponders in Sailplanes"http://tinyurl.com/y739x4
> > * "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" atwww.motorglider.org

[bumper]

Darryl,

Have a look at

http://www.dvatp.com/aviation/reviews/garmin_396/

About a page or so down in the review, he gives the current draw under
various conditions. Probably not as much data as one could hope for, but
usable. Bottom line is you can expect current draw of from about 500 mills
to as much as 900 milliamps.

bumper

> wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> I clicked send to fast, I also had meant to add that Garmin's specs
> for the GXM-30 and GXM 30/A XM antennas state that the antenna alone
> consumes 4.5 Watts at 4.5 to 5.5 VDC (i.e. about 0.4 amp equivalent at
> 12 volts). Not insignificant (> a good transponder) anecdotely it
> seems that the XM antennas (plus overhead on the GPS unit?) consume
> more than this so some real world measurments of the total draw at 12
> volts of the GPS and antenna would be great.
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Darryl
>
> On Mar 12, 1:39 pm, " >
> wrote:
>> Eric
>>
>> WX Worx spec the receiver as 1 amp at 9 volts. Ouch. The Manual for
>> Anywhere Map XP warns the same XM antenna draws over 1 amp.This seems
>> to be the most popular (only other portable?) non-Garmin XM Weather
>> receiver.
>>
>> The other problem is visibility of the map displays. On my iPAQ 4700
>> running SeeYou Mobile my 40+ year old eyes can barely see anything at
>> maximum backlight unless I turn off terrain so the background is
>> white. I can't think how bad trying to look at XM weather cloud tops
>> or Nexerad might be. And I've go a very good PDA mount position with
>> the PDA close to me, angled to minimise sky reflections and using a
>> cleartouch screen protectors (which improve thigns slightly). I know
>> peoples contrast tollerance with transflective displays varies a lot
>> but still I coudl not imagine trying to look at this stuff on my PDA
>> display.
>>
>> Again, it would be geat if anybody has power consumption numbers for a
>> Garmin 396 or 496 with and without the XM weather antenna operating.
>> Ideally also with internal battery charging and internal barttery
>> fully charged. I've asked Garmin for this information as well. As far
>> as I know there is also no way to set the backlight to timeout on the
>> 396 or 496 while it has external power. So these numbers should
>> ideally be at whatever backlight setting makes the display reasonably
>> daylight readable.
>>
>> BTW the WX Worx bluetooth antenna would be really nice, having to run
>> another cable for the Garmin antenna is a pain.
>>
>> Darryl
>>
>> On Mar 10, 10:16 am, Eric Greenwell > wrote:
>>
>> > Andy wrote:
>> > > I have a Garmin 396. I also had the lite weather, upgraded to full
>> > > for Oshkosh last year and have not reverted to Lite. The winds
>> > > aloft,
>> > > cloud cover, and storm cell depictions were very nice to have on the
>> > > return from Oshkosh to Phoenix.
>>
>> > > I have not used it in the glider mostly because I didn't do much
>> > > soaring last year. I think its use in contests is prohibited, but I
>> > > think it would be very helpful for non contest XC.
>>
>> > > The Garmin XM antenna is a power hog though. You can run the 396 all
>> > > day on batteries without it but you need external power if the XM
>> > > antenna is connected. I have found no way to turn off the antenna
>> > > and
>> > > leave it connected.
>>
>> > One can also get XM weather using a PDA and Anywhere Weather. It's much
>> > cheaper solution than a 396, and could serve as a backup soaring
>> > computer. Possibly, one could switch between the two programs and get
>> > by
>> > with only one PDA in the cockpit. I don't know what draws for power.
>> > Can
>> > anyone comment on Anywhere Weather?
>>
>> > --
>> > Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA
>> > * Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly
>> > * "Transponders in Sailplanes"http://tinyurl.com/y739x4
>> > * "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" atwww.motorglider.org
>
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