How are avionics technicians certificated?

[Jim Stewart]

They don't typically have an A&P rating do they?
By what authority do they sign off repairs and
how do they get that authority? I haven't been
able to find anything specific to avionics in
FAR/AIM.

[**THE-RFI-EMI-GUY**]

Whats the going pay for avionics techs? Do they specialize IE:
communications vs flight controls etc? What is the general hourly rate
for repairs?

Blanche wrote:

>Jim Stewart > wrote:
>
>
>>They don't typically have an A&P rating do they?
>>By what authority do they sign off repairs and
>>how do they get that authority? I haven't been
>>able to find anything specific to avionics in
>>FAR/AIM.
>>
>>
>
>The A&P is not needed, but most of them have it. Talking to
>the director of the local A&P school, the only part required is
>the A (airframe). Then there's another "school" exclusively for
>avionics. I've discussed this with the avionics shop that does
>most of the work (as well as the pitot/static & transpoder check)
>for me. Dick has the A&P because it was just easier to do the
>entire program.
>
>Avionics is under the jurisdiction of the FCC (Fed. Communications)
>So in order to do any mods to the aircraft, the person needs
>a minimum of Airframe (FAA) and the Avionics (FCC).
>
>That's why you don't find anything about avionics in 14CFR (the FARs).
>
>Here's more info from another Technical college that describes
>the process: (I'm not advocating this school, it's just the first
>one that appeared in Google search)
>
>"The Avionics/Electronics Technology program offered at Pulaski
>Technical College is designed to provide the student with the
>knowledge and abilities to enter the aviation workforce as an
>Avionics Installer/Technician.
>
>Much of the Avionics program is incorporated into the Airframe Program.
>As an Avionics student you would be required to take the Aviation
>General Course, specific courses within the airframe curriculum
>and Circuit Analysis I and II offered at the Main Campus.
>
>After completing the Avionics/Electronic Technology program
>requirements the student is eligible to take the Federal
>Communications Commission Examination (FCC) and receive their FCC License."
>
>Then, the avionics person goes to work for a certified repair
>station, blessed under the FCC and FAA.
>
>
>

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"Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason?
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[Jim Macklin]

To add or remove from the aircraft, the Airframe license is
required or the avionics technician must be working under
the supervision of an A rated mechanic or in an FAA Repair
Station.

Most avionics techs do not hold an FAA certificate as a
mechanic, however they are required to hold an FCC
certificate in order to make any repairs to transmitters,
such as comm radios, transponders and radar.

After getting the required FCC certificate and endorsements
for the transponder and/or radar they usually will attend
factory schools for specific hardware/manufacturers.

They make very good wages. Shop rates are probably around
$100 to $150 per hour and the tech gets only part of that,
the shop gets the majority for lights, heat, a/c, insurance
and tech manuals/training costs and a little profit.

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"**THE-RFI-EMI-GUY**" > wrote in
message ...
Whats the going pay for avionics techs? Do they specialize
IE: communications vs flight controls etc? What is the
general hourly rate for repairs?

Blanche wrote:

Jim Stewart > wrote:

They don't typically have an A&P rating do they?
By what authority do they sign off repairs and
how do they get that authority? I haven't been
able to find anything specific to avionics in
FAR/AIM.


The A&P is not needed, but most of them have it. Talking to
the director of the local A&P school, the only part required
is
the A (airframe). Then there's another "school" exclusively
for
avionics. I've discussed this with the avionics shop that
does
most of the work (as well as the pitot/static & transpoder
check)
for me. Dick has the A&P because it was just easier to do
the
entire program.

Avionics is under the jurisdiction of the FCC (Fed.
Communications)
So in order to do any mods to the aircraft, the person needs
a minimum of Airframe (FAA) and the Avionics (FCC).

That's why you don't find anything about avionics in 14CFR
(the FARs).

Here's more info from another Technical college that
describes
the process: (I'm not advocating this school, it's just the
first
one that appeared in Google search)

"The Avionics/Electronics Technology program offered at
Pulaski
Technical College is designed to provide the student with
the
knowledge and abilities to enter the aviation workforce as
an
Avionics Installer/Technician.

Much of the Avionics program is incorporated into the
Airframe Program.
As an Avionics student you would be required to take the
Aviation
General Course, specific courses within the airframe
curriculum
and Circuit Analysis I and II offered at the Main Campus.

After completing the Avionics/Electronic Technology program
requirements the student is eligible to take the Federal
Communications Commission Examination (FCC) and receive
their FCC License."

Then, the avionics person goes to work for a certified
repair
station, blessed under the FCC and FAA.




--
Joe Leikhim K4SAT
"The RFI-EMI-GUY"©

"Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason?
For if it prosper, none dare call it treason."

"Follow The Money" ;-P

[Jim Stewart]

Jim Macklin wrote:
> To add or remove from the aircraft, the Airframe license is
> required or the avionics technician must be working under
> the supervision of an A rated mechanic or in an FAA Repair
> Station.
>
> Most avionics techs do not hold an FAA certificate as a
> mechanic, however they are required to hold an FCC
> certificate in order to make any repairs to transmitters,
> such as comm radios, transponders and radar.
>
> After getting the required FCC certificate and endorsements
> for the transponder and/or radar they usually will attend
> factory schools for specific hardware/manufacturers.

Ok, that makes sense.

Given that I hold a valid FCC General Radiotelephone
license, I presume I can do my own panel work providing..

1. Any structural or weight and balance issue is
signed off by an A or A&P rated mechanic.

2. Any required calibration is done by a shop having
the proper instruments and factory training.

Does that sound reasonable?

[Peter Clark]

On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:34:25 -0800, Jim Stewart >
wrote:

>They don't typically have an A&P rating do they?
>By what authority do they sign off repairs and
>how do they get that authority? I haven't been
>able to find anything specific to avionics in
>FAR/AIM.

The ones I know either work for a Repair Station and so the authorized
avionics inspector signs the work off under the station's licence, or
they have an Airframe rating.

[Jim Macklin]

Sounds good to me. Check FCC and FAA rules, part 43 and 65
for FAA, as well as 91. FCC you;will need to look for the
special endorsements.
Talk to your local A&P/AI and make arrangements for
supervision and endorsements of work in progress and
finished for return to service.

"Jim Stewart" > wrote in message
.. .
| Jim Macklin wrote:
| > To add or remove from the aircraft, the Airframe license
is
| > required or the avionics technician must be working
under
| > the supervision of an A rated mechanic or in an FAA
Repair
| > Station.
| >
| > Most avionics techs do not hold an FAA certificate as a
| > mechanic, however they are required to hold an FCC
| > certificate in order to make any repairs to
transmitters,
| > such as comm radios, transponders and radar.
| >
| > After getting the required FCC certificate and
endorsements
| > for the transponder and/or radar they usually will
attend
| > factory schools for specific hardware/manufacturers.
|
| Ok, that makes sense.
|
| Given that I hold a valid FCC General Radiotelephone
| license, I presume I can do my own panel work providing..
|
| 1. Any structural or weight and balance issue is
| signed off by an A or A&P rated mechanic.
|
| 2. Any required calibration is done by a shop having
| the proper instruments and factory training.
|
| Does that sound reasonable?

[Ron Natalie]

> Given that I hold a valid FCC General Radiotelephone
> license, I presume I can do my own panel work providing..
>
> 1. Any structural or weight and balance issue is
> signed off by an A or A&P rated mechanic.
>
> 2. Any required calibration is done by a shop having
> the proper instruments and factory training.
>
Nope, you presume wrong. The work must be done in an
FAA approved repair facility. Your general phone only
qualifies you to work in such a facility.

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On Mar 15, 7:34 pm, Jim Stewart > wrote:
> They don't typically have an A&P rating do they?
> By what authority do they sign off repairs and
> how do they get that authority? I haven't been
> able to find anything specific to avionics in
> FAR/AIM.

I work in a CRS in NY. I think only one or 2 of the avionics techs at
the shop I work at have an A&P and I do know that it is not required.
The authority is under the CRS assigned to the facility. A shop can
have something like instrument or radio 1, 2, 3, and 4, or limited. Im
not sure of all the ratings a shop can have. I do instrument repair
and before I worked here I worked for a major avionics mfr for over 19
yrs as well as over 7 at my current job. As far as salaries go, I can
only hope other shops pay better than the one Im working at, which
IMHO are poverty level for the area we are in.