A Bad Day For KJFK Ground Controller

[Larry Dighera]

I received the following from a friend:

Here is a funny episode with a JFK ground controller and numerous
aircraft taxiing on the ground. Ground control at busy airports
like JFK is the busiest and most complex position in the tower.
There can be a hundred different taxi ways and most of them are
crossing runways or very close to it. One wrong turn by an
aircraft can lead to disaster or just a nightmare like this sound
clip: http://home.online.no/~chainly/JFKGround.mp3


So you can follow the action, there is an airport diagram available
here:
http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0703/00610AD.PDF

[Tony]

Talk about needing situational awareness!!!

Think about this guy at home, when his kid wants to go to the
bathroom: "Roger, left turn out of the bedroom, right at the third
door, hold short until company vacates the number one position."

On Mar 16, 12:20 pm, Larry Dighera > wrote:
> I received the following from a friend:
>
> Here is a funny episode with a JFK ground controller and numerous
> aircraft taxiing on the ground. Ground control at busy airports
> like JFK is the busiest and most complex position in the tower.
> There can be a hundred different taxi ways and most of them are
> crossing runways or very close to it. One wrong turn by an
> aircraft can lead to disaster or just a nightmare like this sound
> clip: http://home.online.no/~chainly/JFKGround.mp3
>
> So you can follow the action, there is an airport diagram available
> here:http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0703/00610AD.PDF

[Kevin Clarke]

Larry Dighera wrote:
> I received the following from a friend:
>
> Here is a funny episode with a JFK ground controller and numerous
> aircraft taxiing on the ground. Ground control at busy airports
> like JFK is the busiest and most complex position in the tower.
> There can be a hundred different taxi ways and most of them are
> crossing runways or very close to it. One wrong turn by an
> aircraft can lead to disaster or just a nightmare like this sound
> clip: http://home.online.no/~chainly/JFKGround.mp3
>
That serves as a good reason to never fly into JFK. Good God.

KC

[Larry Dighera]

On 16 Mar 2007 09:37:21 -0700, "Tony" > wrote in
om>:

>Talk about needing situational awareness!!!

If you listen closely, it appears that one of the pilots failed to
follow the controllers instructions, and that resulted in the loss of
orderly movement on the taxiways.

Imagine trying to control a plethora of airliners on a myriad of
taxiways each operated by personnel for whom English may be a second
language. It's a wonder there aren't more runway incursion incidents.

[Pelican223]

RE: Here is a funny episode with a JFK ground controller and numerous
aircraft taxiing on the ground.

Coincidentally I was listening to JFK Clearance Delevery/Ground last night.
The controller was one of the rudest I have ever heard, not so much in words
although there was some of that; but by the tone of his voice.

--
Regards,
Mike Mc
(Microsoft Certified Professional)

Pelican 223
A/123 AV BN 23rd ID
Chu Lai '68-'69

[Shirl]

> Here is a funny episode with a JFK ground controller and numerous
> aircraft taxiing on the ground. Ground control at busy airports
> like JFK is the busiest and most complex position in the tower.
> There can be a hundred different taxi ways and most of them are
> crossing runways or very close to it. One wrong turn by an
> aircraft can lead to disaster or just a nightmare like this sound
> clip: http://home.online.no/~chainly/JFKGround.mp3

My daughter is in Oklahoma at Air Traffic Control school.
No wonder she chose Enroute Control! Wow.

[Matt Whiting]

Pelican223 wrote:
> RE: Here is a funny episode with a JFK ground controller and numerous
> aircraft taxiing on the ground.
>
> Coincidentally I was listening to JFK Clearance Delevery/Ground last night.
> The controller was one of the rudest I have ever heard, not so much in words
> although there was some of that; but by the tone of his voice.
>

That isn't rude, that is just a typical NYC accent! :-)

Matt

[john smith]

After listening to that, I really appreciate a good controller with a
sense of humor that can sort everything out as this guy did.

[Matt Whiting]

Larry Dighera wrote:
>
> I received the following from a friend:
>
> Here is a funny episode with a JFK ground controller and numerous
> aircraft taxiing on the ground. Ground control at busy airports
> like JFK is the busiest and most complex position in the tower.
> There can be a hundred different taxi ways and most of them are
> crossing runways or very close to it. One wrong turn by an
> aircraft can lead to disaster or just a nightmare like this sound
> clip: http://home.online.no/~chainly/JFKGround.mp3
>
>
> So you can follow the action, there is an airport diagram available
> here:
> http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0703/00610AD.PDF
>

I couldn't follow the action even with the diagram! I thought the guy
did a masterful job, even though someone else thought he was rude. I'll
take this guy any day.

Matt

[B A R R Y]

On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 21:52:09 GMT, Matt Whiting >
wrote:
>
>That isn't rude, that is just a typical NYC accent! :-)
>

That's exactly what I was thinking! <G>

[john smith]

The Little French Girl flys in and out of JFK.
Here is her response:

Yes! I had heard that one. I like the part when he says "you guys should
come up here some times!" - really don't think I could do that job!!!
It is usually not that bad though, but sometimes you hear "China Air,
why are you in the freight ramp?", or "Lan Chile, make a left turn, not
a right turn!", or the british guy from BA arguing with the controller
that we are supposed to be counterclockwise on B and clockwise on A (or
vice-versa), because it says so on the chart, and the controller
replying he doesn't care what the chart says, because he is the one
deciding who goes where. The brit come back several times with it...
clearly not from here!!
You get to hear all the accents of the world, including the very
new-york accents of the controllers, and it is fun!!

[skym]

I frequently tune in to JFK ground at the office at the end of my day
(Mountain time zone) to listen to this guy. He's a regular. Don't
know his name but he obviously knows his stuff, and he is usually
pretty entertaining. I've never heard him in this type of mess, but
he definitely has command of the situation. One of my favoites " Jet
Blue 503, where art thou?"

[A Guy Called Tyketto]

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skym > wrote:
> I frequently tune in to JFK ground at the office at the end of my day
> (Mountain time zone) to listen to this guy. He's a regular. Don't
> know his name but he obviously knows his stuff, and he is usually
> pretty entertaining. I've never heard him in this type of mess, but
> he definitely has command of the situation. One of my favoites " Jet
> Blue 503, where art thou?"
>

I believe you may be talking about Arnie. there's plenty of
talk of him and Boston John at the LiveATC.net forums.

BL.
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[Jim[_14_]]

On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:40:03 GMT, Kevin Clarke >
wrote:

>Larry Dighera wrote:
>> I received the following from a friend:
>>
>> Here is a funny episode with a JFK ground controller and numerous
>> aircraft taxiing on the ground. Ground control at busy airports
>> like JFK is the busiest and most complex position in the tower.
>> There can be a hundred different taxi ways and most of them are
>> crossing runways or very close to it. One wrong turn by an
>> aircraft can lead to disaster or just a nightmare like this sound
>> clip: http://home.online.no/~chainly/JFKGround.mp3
>>
>That serves as a good reason to never fly into JFK. Good God.
>
>KC
I heard Delta several times, remember Delta = Don't Ever Leave The
Airport

--
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[Jim[_14_]]

On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 21:52:09 GMT, Matt Whiting >
wrote:

>Pelican223 wrote:
>> RE: Here is a funny episode with a JFK ground controller and numerous
>> aircraft taxiing on the ground.
>>
>> Coincidentally I was listening to JFK Clearance Delevery/Ground last night.
>> The controller was one of the rudest I have ever heard, not so much in words
>> although there was some of that; but by the tone of his voice.
>>
>
>That isn't rude, that is just a typical NYC accent! :-)
>
>Matt
I think that the controller should be commended, he kept his cool,
didn't bite any ones head off, joked a bit, and even invited the
pilots to come into the cab and enjoy the fun. I think he did a great
job.
--

Jim in Houston

Nurse's creed: Fill what's empty, empty what's full,
and scratch where it itches!! RN does NOT mean Real Nerd!

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

[B A R R Y]

On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 03:14:58 -0500, Jim
> wrote:

>I think that the controller should be commended, he kept his cool,
>didn't bite any ones head off, joked a bit, and even invited the
>pilots to come into the cab and enjoy the fun. I think he did a great
>job.
>--

I really liked the "You guys should come up here some time. You'd
enjoy the show." comment, as well as the "Aww... Jeezz.. You just
can't..." <G>

Did anyone catch the very end when somebody called him that wasn't
pushing back for an hour?

In the past there have been railroad switching puzzles published in
magazines and books. Maybe "Ground Controller" would make a fun video
game? The game would end with a runway incursion or two widebodies
stopped nose to nose on the same t-way. The computer could
occasionally toss in a guy who moves without permission!

[Matt Whiting]

Jim wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 21:52:09 GMT, Matt Whiting >
> wrote:
>
>> Pelican223 wrote:
>>> RE: Here is a funny episode with a JFK ground controller and numerous
>>> aircraft taxiing on the ground.
>>>
>>> Coincidentally I was listening to JFK Clearance Delevery/Ground last night.
>>> The controller was one of the rudest I have ever heard, not so much in words
>>> although there was some of that; but by the tone of his voice.
>>>
>> That isn't rude, that is just a typical NYC accent! :-)
>>
>> Matt
> I think that the controller should be commended, he kept his cool,
> didn't bite any ones head off, joked a bit, and even invited the
> pilots to come into the cab and enjoy the fun. I think he did a great
> job.

That was my reaction as well. If the poster above really felt this was
the rudest controller they have ever heard, then I can only conclude
that they have heard very few controllers. I've heard many that were a
LOT more rude than this controller and with MUCH less reason to be rude.
This guy clearly had his plate full and I thought he did an excellent job.

Matt

[Matt Whiting]

B A R R Y wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 03:14:58 -0500, Jim
> > wrote:
>
>> I think that the controller should be commended, he kept his cool,
>> didn't bite any ones head off, joked a bit, and even invited the
>> pilots to come into the cab and enjoy the fun. I think he did a great
>> job.
>> --
>
> I really liked the "You guys should come up here some time. You'd
> enjoy the show." comment, as well as the "Aww... Jeezz.. You just
> can't..." <G>
>
> Did anyone catch the very end when somebody called him that wasn't
> pushing back for an hour?

Yes. Pilots like that should be slapped upside the head. What an idiot.

Matt

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, Matt Whiting > said:
>Jim wrote:
>> On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 21:52:09 GMT, Matt Whiting >
>> wrote:
>>> Pelican223 wrote:
>>>> Coincidentally I was listening to JFK Clearance Delevery/Ground last night.
>>>> The controller was one of the rudest I have ever heard, not so much in words
>>>> although there was some of that; but by the tone of his voice.
>That was my reaction as well. If the poster above really felt this was
>the rudest controller they have ever heard, then I can only conclude

Read what he said again. He didn't say the controller on the recording
was the rudest he'd ever heard, he said that the one he'd heard while
listening to JFK Clearance Delivery/Ground the previous night.


--
Paul Tomblin > http://blog.xcski.com/
"But I heard him exclaim, as he climbed in the night
Merry Christmas to all, I have traffic in sight" - Phyllis Moses

[Matt Whiting]

Paul Tomblin wrote:
> In a previous article, Matt Whiting > said:
>> Jim wrote:
>>> On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 21:52:09 GMT, Matt Whiting >
>>> wrote:
>>>> Pelican223 wrote:
>>>>> Coincidentally I was listening to JFK Clearance Delevery/Ground last night.
>>>>> The controller was one of the rudest I have ever heard, not so much in words
>>>>> although there was some of that; but by the tone of his voice.
>> That was my reaction as well. If the poster above really felt this was
>> the rudest controller they have ever heard, then I can only conclude
>
> Read what he said again. He didn't say the controller on the recording
> was the rudest he'd ever heard, he said that the one he'd heard while
> listening to JFK Clearance Delivery/Ground the previous night.

Ah, yes, I misread it. Thanks for pointing that out.

Matt

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

This can actually be a trained technique. In extremely high intensity
pressure jobs requiring radio transmissions between working parties, the
carefully timed insertion of dialog geared to lower the stress level is
a mark of professionalism.
Dudley Henriques

skym wrote:
> I frequently tune in to JFK ground at the office at the end of my day
> (Mountain time zone) to listen to this guy. He's a regular. Don't
> know his name but he obviously knows his stuff, and he is usually
> pretty entertaining. I've never heard him in this type of mess, but
> he definitely has command of the situation. One of my favoites " Jet
> Blue 503, where art thou?"
>

[Mike Young]

"Jim" > wrote in message
...
> I heard Delta several times, remember Delta = Don't Ever Leave The
> Airport

"Deliver Everyone's Luggage To Atlanta."

[Peter R.]

On 3/16/2007 12:20:44 PM, Larry Dighera wrote:

> One wrong turn by an
> aircraft can lead to disaster or just a nightmare like this sound
> clip: http://home.online.no/~chainly/JFKGround.mp3

Yet another excellent ATC clip originally brought to you by LiveATC.net.

Larry, is that your website there?

--
Peter

[Larry Dighera]

On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 17:26:32 -0400, "Peter R." >
wrote in >:

>On 3/16/2007 12:20:44 PM, Larry Dighera wrote:
>
>> One wrong turn by an
>> aircraft can lead to disaster or just a nightmare like this sound
>> clip: http://home.online.no/~chainly/JFKGround.mp3
>
>Yet another excellent ATC clip originally brought to you by LiveATC.net.
>
>Larry, is that your website there?


Nope.

[Darkwing]

"Mike Young" > wrote in message
...
> "Jim" > wrote in message
> ...
>> I heard Delta several times, remember Delta = Don't Ever Leave The
>> Airport
>
> "Deliver Everyone's Luggage To Atlanta."
>
>

"Don't Expect Luggage To Arrive."

------------------------------------------------
DW

[Mortimer Schnerd, RN[_2_]]

Matt Whiting wrote:
>>> Pelican223 wrote:
>>>> RE: Here is a funny episode with a JFK ground controller and numerous
>>>> aircraft taxiing on the ground.
>>>>
>>>> Coincidentally I was listening to JFK Clearance Delevery/Ground last night.
>>>> The controller was one of the rudest I have ever heard, not so much in
>>>> words although there was some of that; but by the tone of his voice.
>
> That was my reaction as well. If the poster above really felt this was
> the rudest controller they have ever heard, then I can only conclude
> that they have heard very few controllers. I've heard many that were a
> LOT more rude than this controller and with MUCH less reason to be rude.
> This guy clearly had his plate full and I thought he did an excellent job.


Gentlemen:

I think you misread what the original poster said. If you look at the two
consecutive paragraphs you'd see he's talking about two different guys. I think
we can all agree the first guy was funny and very much on top of his duties.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

[Gene Seibel]

On Mar 16, 10:20 am, Larry Dighera > wrote:
> I received the following from a friend:
>
> Here is a funny episode with a JFK ground controller and numerous
> aircraft taxiing on the ground. Ground control at busy airports
> like JFK is the busiest and most complex position in the tower.
> There can be a hundred different taxi ways and most of them are
> crossing runways or very close to it. One wrong turn by an
> aircraft can lead to disaster or just a nightmare like this sound
> clip: http://home.online.no/~chainly/JFKGround.mp3
>
> So you can follow the action, there is an airport diagram available
> here:http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0703/00610AD.PDF

Couldn't keep from thinking about Abbot and Castello's "Who's on
First?" ;)
--
Gene Seibel
Tales of Flight - http://pad39a.com/gene/tales.html
Because I fly, I envy no one.

[Larry Dighera]

On 18 Mar 2007 05:59:34 -0700, "Gene Seibel" > wrote
in . com>:

>
>Couldn't keep from thinking about Abbot and Castello's "Who's on
>First?" ;)

I couldn't help thinking, that if Boeing want's to continue to book
orders for new airliners to be put into service, something will have
to be done about the limitations of the NAS and the airline
hub-and-spoke route structure. The A380 will only buy a little more
time until certain facilities are completely overwhelmed.

And it's high time for the installation of ADS-B on airliners to
assist ground controllers at busy airline airports.