Flying from North America to Hawaii

[Marc Erickson]

Is this easily done - that is, are there islands in between I can hop to? Or
do I need big tanks, long range, and a bladder in the cabin (and a pee tube)
to do it?


Marc

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[COLIN LAMB]

There are islands every 100 miles between US and Hawaii. They are not on
the maps. However, they are off limits because they are breeding grounds
for the endangered Puka.

It is rumored that Amelia landed on one and may still be there.

[Blueskies]

"COLIN LAMB" > wrote in message thlink.net...
: There are islands every 100 miles between US and Hawaii. They are not on
: the maps. However, they are off limits because they are breeding grounds
: for the endangered Puka.
:
: It is rumored that Amelia landed on one and may still be there.
:
:
:

That is why the Puka shell necklaces are so expensive and rare...

[Robert Bonomi]

In article <uNIKh.27097$DN.24284@pd7urf2no>,
Marc Erickson > wrote:
>Is this easily done - that is, are there islands in between I can hop to? Or
>do I need big tanks, long range, and a bladder in the cabin (and a pee tube)
>to do it?


Have you looked at a map?

Does it occur to you that just "an island" is *NOT* sufficient?
That you need 'services' -- like being able to buy fuel -- as well?

Do you think any such island would be big enough to have a post office?
Are there any such places listed in the USPS zip-code directory?
What _other_country_ might such an island be a part of?

Do you have the right kind of comm radios?
Do you have _enough_engines_? Can you 'glide' 1500+ miles after a failure?
Is your plane certified for ETOPS? Are _you_ multi-engine rated?

Do you have a co-pilot? Have you computed *how*many*hours* you'll be in
the air without a break?


are you *REALLY* that stupid?

[Mike Gaskins]

On Mar 18, 10:25 am, (Robert Bonomi)
wrote:
> Have you looked at a map?
>
> Does it occur to you that just "an island" is *NOT* sufficient?
> That you need 'services' -- like being able to buy fuel -- as well?
>
> Do you think any such island would be big enough to have a post office?
> Are there any such places listed in the USPS zip-code directory?
> What _other_country_ might such an island be a part of?
>
> Do you have the right kind of comm radios?
> Do you have _enough_engines_? Can you 'glide' 1500+ miles after a failure?
> Is your plane certified for ETOPS? Are _you_ multi-engine rated?
>
> Do you have a co-pilot? Have you computed *how*many*hours* you'll be in
> the air without a break?
>
> are you *REALLY* that stupid?

Not need to resort to flaming. I assumed when he mentioned "islands"
in between that he would have been naturally referring to islands with
sufficient facilities to handle his hypothetical trip.

IF it is even a hypothetical trip. He might be trying to call BS on a
friend's story, or might just be curious. Nothing about his post led
me to believe that he was straping himself in getting ready to head to
Hawaii but just checking with us one last time. Cut the man some
slack ;).

Mike Gaskins

[Montblack]

("COLIN LAMB" wrote)
> There are islands every 100 miles between US and Hawaii. They are not on
> the maps. However, they are off limits because they are breeding grounds
> for the endangered Puka.
>
> It is rumored that Amelia landed on one and may still be there.


Puka-puka...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pukapuka
"Although the island features a well maintained airstrip, flights are very
infrequent as the island is closer to Samoa than to the rest of the Cook
Islands. The five hour flight from Rarotonga operates only once every six
weeks or so."

http://www.cookislands.org.uk/pukapuka.html
"The destruction caused to Pukapuka by Cyclone Percy. These photographs
were taken by the crew of a New Zealand Air Force Orion which overflew the
island a few days after the cyclone struck."

http://www.cookislands.org.uk/pukapics.html
"Pukapuka is one of the remotest places on earth. It's closer to Samoa
than it is to the capital island, Rarotonga. It has its own language and
customs and other Cook Islanders say its main asset is beautiful girls.
The Island's name derives from the puka tree (right) which is commonplace."


Montblack :-)

[Richard Isakson]

"Mike Gaskins" wrote ...
>
> Not need to resort to flaming. I assumed when he mentioned "islands"
> in between that he would have been naturally referring to islands with
> sufficient facilities to handle his hypothetical trip.
>
> IF it is even a hypothetical trip. He might be trying to call BS on a
> friend's story, or might just be curious. Nothing about his post led
> me to believe that he was straping himself in getting ready to head to
> Hawaii but just checking with us one last time. Cut the man some
> slack ;).

You're wrong Mike. It was a dumb question and shows the utter failure of the
modern elementary school system.

I think all of us have gone out for a ten thousand dollar hamburger at
Amelia's at one time or another.

Rich

[Orval Fairbairn]

In article om>,
"Mike Gaskins" > wrote:

> On Mar 18, 10:25 am, (Robert Bonomi)
> wrote:
> > Have you looked at a map?
> >
> > Does it occur to you that just "an island" is *NOT* sufficient?
> > That you need 'services' -- like being able to buy fuel -- as well?
> >
> > Do you think any such island would be big enough to have a post office?
> > Are there any such places listed in the USPS zip-code directory?
> > What _other_country_ might such an island be a part of?
> >
> > Do you have the right kind of comm radios?
> > Do you have _enough_engines_? Can you 'glide' 1500+ miles after a failure?
> > Is your plane certified for ETOPS? Are _you_ multi-engine rated?
> >
> > Do you have a co-pilot? Have you computed *how*many*hours* you'll be in
> > the air without a break?
> >
> > are you *REALLY* that stupid?
>
> Not need to resort to flaming. I assumed when he mentioned "islands"
> in between that he would have been naturally referring to islands with
> sufficient facilities to handle his hypothetical trip.
>
> IF it is even a hypothetical trip. He might be trying to call BS on a
> friend's story, or might just be curious. Nothing about his post led
> me to believe that he was straping himself in getting ready to head to
> Hawaii but just checking with us one last time. Cut the man some
> slack ;).
>
> Mike Gaskins

The mainland/Hawaii leg is the longest overwater leg on the planet.
There are NO intervening islands (perhaps an aircraft carrier or two --
just try taking off if you land on one).

[jls]

"Marc Erickson" > wrote in message
news:uNIKh.27097$DN.24284@pd7urf2no...
> Is this easily done - that is, are there islands in between I can
hop to? Or
> do I need big tanks, long range, and a bladder in the cabin (and a
pee tube)
> to do it?
>
>
> Marc

In 2003 Carol Ann Garratt flew around the world in her Mooney M20J in
honor of her father who had Lou Gehrig's disease. Her longest leg was
from California to Hilo, Hawaii, just under 20 hours and about 2300
NM. She had two extra fuel tanks inside the cockpit, one in the seat
beside her and a 55-gallon tank behind her. Total hours flown: 300,
and 36,667 nautical miles.

Leave your ma a lock of your hair.

Oh, and google "so you want to be a ferry pilot" to psyche yourself up
just before leaving.

[COLIN LAMB]

Actually, there are dozens of islands between North America and Hawaii. The
problem is that they are all within a few miles of the North American coast.
They run up and down the Coast. The one I am most familiar with is about
100 feet offshore. Down in California, some of the islands are a dozen or
two miles off shore.

If you were a really good helicopter pilot and planned well, you might be
able to follow one of the shipping lanes with a diesen powered helicopter
and bargain diesel from the ships crew - if you can find a ship spaced ever
few hundred miles.

In the Dole California-to-Hawaii air race, at least one airplane was denied
entry into the race by the FAA because the calculated fuel (using the
pilot's numbers) was only sufficient to get a bit more than half way across.
The pilot said he was expecting tail winds to make up the difference.

It does not take a lot of intelligence to bring up a map and look to see if
there are any islands on the way. That is what the marines did when they
invaded Grenada. They went to the local travel agent in St. Georges, once
they landed and got all the maps they could get their hands on.

[Morgans[_2_]]

"COLIN LAMB" > wrote
>
> If you were a really good helicopter pilot and planned well, you might be
> able to follow one of the shipping lanes with a diesen powered helicopter
> and bargain diesel from the ships crew - if you can find a ship spaced
> ever few hundred miles.

You would need to find a large enough ship to land on, but small enough to
be burning a diesel that you could burn. That would make things even more
challenging.

Most of the large ships burn "bunker oil" even though they have what are
called diesel powered. For those who do not oil, bunker oil is only one
step above crude oil, and has to be heated to be burned in those huge ship
engines.
--
Jim in NC

[Ron Webb]

Come to Alaska first. Then head south from Cold Bay, Ak airport, stop at
Midway Island, Then proceed to Kawai' airport on the northernmost of the
major Hawaiian islands, and never require a leg more than 1300 miles.

A partially completed "Adventurer" 4 place amphibian sits in my driveway
awaiting such a trip. But I intend to go direct. That makes a single 2200
statute mile leg. I will have 30 Gallons of fuel in each wing, and 60 more
in fuselage tanks. Add an aux tank of around 50 gallons makes a total of 170
gallons of fuel. At 7 gph, and 120 mph I should make it with 41 gallons to
spare. I have mathcad files exploring every variation of this since the
speed and consumption are guesses...

170 gallons of fuel weighs 1020 lb. My 250 and 50 lb of assortes gear makes
1320 lb. That's still 13 lb short of the Adventerer's gross.

If I don't make it, who cares...I'll just land and siphon fuel from the
nearest boat;^}- or maybe raise a sail for the last bit...

Now let's hear from the flame artists, telling me why it's impossible.

[Dan[_2_]]

COLIN LAMB wrote:
<snip>
>
> In the Dole California-to-Hawaii air race, at least one airplane was denied
> entry into the race by the FAA because the calculated fuel (using the
> pilot's numbers) was only sufficient to get a bit more than half way across.
> The pilot said he was expecting tail winds to make up the difference.
>
Not any stranger than I guy I knew 20 years ago who wanted to make a
Long EZ, add external tanks and JATO for a flight from Hawaii to CONUS.

I wonder if he's ever going to try it.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Montblack]

("Orval Fairbairn" wrote)
> The mainland/Hawaii leg is the longest overwater leg on the planet.
> There are NO intervening islands (perhaps an aircraft carrier or two --
> just try taking off if you land on one).


Just try NOT taking off if they press the launch button!


Montblack

[Montblack]

("Ron Webb" wrote)
> If I don't make it, who cares...I'll just land and siphon fuel from the
> nearest boat;^}- or maybe raise a sail for the last bit...
>
> Now let's hear from the flame artists, telling me why it's impossible.


Not impossible, but siphoning fuel without good ground might be a problem.
"YMMV"


Montblack

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Montblack" > wrote

> Just try NOT taking off if they press the launch button!

Not hard at all........

Just sit back and watch your nosewheel get launched! <ggg>
--
Jim in NC

[kd5sak]

Actually, from some recent blurbs I've read, filling a small gas can with
poor ground can lead to BAD results. Always set the container on the ground
surface rather than, say, on a tailgate. Supposedly this cuts down on static
spark possibilities. I can't speak as to the truth here, but am uninclined
to experiment.

Harold
KD5SAK



"Montblack" > wrote in message
...
> ("Ron Webb" wrote)
>> If I don't make it, who cares...I'll just land and siphon fuel from the
>> nearest boat;^}- or maybe raise a sail for the last bit...
>>
>> Now let's hear from the flame artists, telling me why it's impossible.
>
>
> Not impossible, but siphoning fuel without good ground might be a problem.
> "YMMV"
>
>
> Montblack
>

[Al G[_1_]]

"Mike Gaskins" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> On Mar 18, 10:25 am, (Robert Bonomi)
> wrote:
>> Have you looked at a map?
>>
>> Does it occur to you that just "an island" is *NOT* sufficient?
>> That you need 'services' -- like being able to buy fuel -- as well?
>>
>> Do you think any such island would be big enough to have a post office?
>> Are there any such places listed in the USPS zip-code directory?
>> What _other_country_ might such an island be a part of?
>>
>> Do you have the right kind of comm radios?
>> Do you have _enough_engines_? Can you 'glide' 1500+ miles after a
>> failure?
>> Is your plane certified for ETOPS? Are _you_ multi-engine rated?
>>
>> Do you have a co-pilot? Have you computed *how*many*hours* you'll be in
>> the air without a break?
>>
>> are you *REALLY* that stupid?
>
> Not need to resort to flaming. I assumed when he mentioned "islands"
> in between that he would have been naturally referring to islands with
> sufficient facilities to handle his hypothetical trip.
>
> IF it is even a hypothetical trip. He might be trying to call BS on a
> friend's story, or might just be curious. Nothing about his post led
> me to believe that he was straping himself in getting ready to head to
> Hawaii but just checking with us one last time. Cut the man some
> slack ;).
>
> Mike Gaskins
>

Well, there is the Adak -> Midway -> Honolulu route. I think the longest
leg, Adak/Midway is about 1400nm.

See Dave Lear's ancient article "The Colonel goes to Hawaii"

Al G

[Jim Logajan]

"Ron Webb" > wrote:
> Come to Alaska first. Then head south from Cold Bay, Ak airport, stop
> at Midway Island, Then proceed to Kawai' airport on the northernmost
> of the major Hawaiian islands, and never require a leg more than 1300
> miles.

I used Google Earth's measuring tool to get an estimate of the distance
from Cold Bay, Ak to Midway Atoll and it measured the distance at about
2000 sm, or ~1700 nm. Just curious, but what charts or tools did you use to
establish the 1300 miles estimate?

[Jim Logajan]

"Al G" > wrote:
> Well, there is the Adak -> Midway -> Honolulu route. I think the
> longest leg, Adak/Midway is about 1400nm.

It may be showing incorrect results, but the Google Earth product's
measuring tool shows the distance from Adak, Ak to Midway Atoll at about
1800 nm.

The only other route (not all the intermediate steps worked out!) seems to
be:

Aleution island chain -> Yokohama, Japan -> due south to Saipan via another
chain of islands -> Palikir Island via some other possible smaller island
stops -> Wake Island -> Midway Atoll.

The Wake/Midway leg appears to be about 1200 sm or ~1040 nm.

[Al G[_1_]]

"Jim Logajan" > wrote in message
.. .
> "Al G" > wrote:
>> Well, there is the Adak -> Midway -> Honolulu route. I think the
>> longest leg, Adak/Midway is about 1400nm.
>
> It may be showing incorrect results, but the Google Earth product's
> measuring tool shows the distance from Adak, Ak to Midway Atoll at about
> 1800 nm.
>
> The only other route (not all the intermediate steps worked out!) seems to
> be:
>
> Aleution island chain -> Yokohama, Japan -> due south to Saipan via
> another
> chain of islands -> Palikir Island via some other possible smaller island
> stops -> Wake Island -> Midway Atoll.
>
> The Wake/Midway leg appears to be about 1200 sm or ~1040 nm.

A lat/long calculation showed 1421nm, but it is still a long way. I think my
longest
solo/single engine leg was around 2100nm. At least coming from the West your
odds of a tailwind are improved.

Al G

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Ron Webb" > wrote

> Come to Alaska first. Then head south from Cold Bay, Ak airport, stop at
> Midway Island, Then proceed to Kawai' airport on the northernmost of the
> major Hawaiian islands, and never require a leg more than 1300 miles.
> If I don't make it, who cares...I'll just land and siphon fuel from the
> nearest boat;^}- or maybe raise a sail for the last bit...
>
> Now let's hear from the flame artists, telling me why it's impossible.

No flames from me, but wouldn't you have to have near dead calm conditions,
to land in the middle of the ocean, amidst all of the swells? Then, if you
do land, would you be able to take off again?

Actually, I can just see you raising a mast on top of your airplane, and
sailing into the nearest harbor. I would pay money, to see that! <g>
--
Jim in NC

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Jim Logajan" > wrote in message
.. .
> "Ron Webb" > wrote:
>> Come to Alaska first. Then head south from Cold Bay, Ak airport, stop
>> at Midway Island, Then proceed to Kawai' airport on the northernmost
>> of the major Hawaiian islands, and never require a leg more than 1300
>> miles.
>
> I used Google Earth's measuring tool to get an estimate of the distance
> from Cold Bay, Ak to Midway Atoll and it measured the distance at about
> 2000 sm, or ~1700 nm. Just curious, but what charts or tools did you use
> to
> establish the 1300 miles estimate?

I wonder if Google Earth uses a great circle measuring method?
--
Jim in NC

[Anthony W]

Al G wrote:

> A lat/long calculation showed 1421nm, but it is still a long way. I think my
> longest solo/single engine leg was around 2100nm.

I think it would take a massive set of balls to fly a single
piston-engined plane anywhere near that far over water. A life raft
suitable for saving your ass would be around 50 to 80 pounds that would
be needed for fuel.

I wouldn't try it in anything smaller than a Lear jet.

Your mileage may very but I'm partial to saving my ass... ;o)

Tony

[Al G[_1_]]

"Anthony W" > wrote in message
news:SDCLh.5559$DX5.394@trndny06...
> Al G wrote:
>
>> A lat/long calculation showed 1421nm, but it is still a long way. I think
>> my longest solo/single engine leg was around 2100nm.
>
> I think it would take a massive set of balls to fly a single
> piston-engined plane anywhere near that far over water. A life raft
> suitable for saving your ass would be around 50 to 80 pounds that would be
> needed for fuel.
>
> I wouldn't try it in anything smaller than a Lear jet.
>
> Your mileage may very but I'm partial to saving my ass... ;o)
>
> Tony

When we first looked at this, we were talking about taking the Lear. It
was an old 24B, (pure jets, no fans), and if it could do 1400nm, it would be
with a good tailwind, thinking clean thoughts, and NO reserve. Imagine
losing a cabin outflow valve or pressurization control about halfway. You'd
have to descend to fl240, until you ran out of O2, then 14,000, and then you
wouldn't have the fuel to get to land anywhere. Getting out of the lear
after ditching would not be easier than a light Cessna. As a recent ferry
pilot said: "Sometimes you get wet."

Let us not under-rate saving the Pilot's ass.

Al G

[Anthony W]

Al G wrote:

> When we first looked at this, we were talking about taking the Lear. It
> was an old 24B, (pure jets, no fans), and if it could do 1400nm, it would be
> with a good tailwind, thinking clean thoughts, and NO reserve. Imagine
> losing a cabin outflow valve or pressurization control about halfway. You'd
> have to descend to fl240, until you ran out of O2, then 14,000, and then you
> wouldn't have the fuel to get to land anywhere. Getting out of the lear
> after ditching would not be easier than a light Cessna. As a recent ferry
> pilot said: "Sometimes you get wet."
>
> Let us not under-rate saving the Pilot's ass.

Any jet is out of my price range and I was going on hearsay. I'd heard
that the Lear would make it on one tank but there's a lot of BS out there...

My motto is "a little paranoia is a good thing." I regard saving my ass
under that credo...

Tony

[Al G[_1_]]

"Anthony W" > wrote in message
news:DfDLh.8495$el3.1278@trndny01...
> Al G wrote:
>
>> When we first looked at this, we were talking about taking the Lear.
>> It was an old 24B, (pure jets, no fans), and if it could do 1400nm, it
>> would be with a good tailwind, thinking clean thoughts, and NO reserve.
>> Imagine losing a cabin outflow valve or pressurization control about
>> halfway. You'd have to descend to fl240, until you ran out of O2, then
>> 14,000, and then you wouldn't have the fuel to get to land anywhere.
>> Getting out of the lear after ditching would not be easier than a light
>> Cessna. As a recent ferry pilot said: "Sometimes you get wet."
>>
>> Let us not under-rate saving the Pilot's ass.
>
> Any jet is out of my price range and I was going on hearsay. I'd heard
> that the Lear would make it on one tank but there's a lot of BS out
> there...
>
> My motto is "a little paranoia is a good thing." I regard saving my ass
> under that credo...
>
> Tony

Current fanjet Lears will indeed go non-stop, and do it quietly. Some
will go a lot farther than Hawaii. Ours was a 1969 Lear 24B, small fuselage,
plain vanilla wing, no reversers, big engines, and loud. It was cheaper
than other jets and a ball to fly. Did I mention Loud?

>
> My motto is "a little paranoia is a good thing." I regard saving my ass
> under that credo...
>

I concur. Also, I find this more common the older my students get.

Al G

[Bill Daniels]

"Al G" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Jim Logajan" > wrote in message
> .. .
>> "Al G" > wrote:
>>> Well, there is the Adak -> Midway -> Honolulu route. I think the
>>> longest leg, Adak/Midway is about 1400nm.
>>
>> It may be showing incorrect results, but the Google Earth product's
>> measuring tool shows the distance from Adak, Ak to Midway Atoll at about
>> 1800 nm.
>>
>> The only other route (not all the intermediate steps worked out!) seems
>> to
>> be:
>>
>> Aleution island chain -> Yokohama, Japan -> due south to Saipan via
>> another
>> chain of islands -> Palikir Island via some other possible smaller island
>> stops -> Wake Island -> Midway Atoll.
>>
>> The Wake/Midway leg appears to be about 1200 sm or ~1040 nm.
>
> A lat/long calculation showed 1421nm, but it is still a long way. I think
> my longest
> solo/single engine leg was around 2100nm. At least coming from the West
> your odds of a tailwind are improved.
>
> Al G
>\

The mainland to Hilo flight has been done many times in single engine light
planes. You need about 25 hours of fuel depending on your risk tolerance.
There are absolutely no enroute landing options except the sea.

I know a pilot who flew a Piper Archer from San Diego Lindburg to Hilo on
the big island. He stripped the aircraft of anything not absolutely needed
and shipped the parts. Then he installed a big fuel cell where the rear
seat was. This put him about 300 pounds over gross.

His flight plan was to depart in late summer in hopes of contacting easterly
tradewinds in the 25 - 30 degree north latitude range. He liked Lindburg as
a departure point since the runway is long, at sea level and ends at the
water. Its also about about 32 north so the trades aren't far south.

He would be flying in ground effect until he burned off a few hundred pounds
of fuel, then he would climb as neccessary to maintain wide open throttle at
best L/D IAS. In those days, his main long range navigation aid was an ADF
and sometimes LORAN C. Once a few hundred miles at sea he could pick up AM
radio stations in HI.

He was asked about flying a single that far over water. His answer was, "If
I thought the engine might quit in the next 24 hours, I wouldn't fly it over
land".

Bill Daniels

[Mark Hickey]

"Bill Daniels" <bildan@comcast-dot-net> wrote:


>He was asked about flying a single that far over water. His answer was, "If
>I thought the engine might quit in the next 24 hours, I wouldn't fly it over
>land".

Gotta admit, that puts it in a new perspective for me... makes a
certain fatalistic type of sense.

Mark "wonder if I can swim halfway" Hickey

[cavelamb himself]

Morgans wrote:
> "Jim Logajan" > wrote in message
> .. .
>
>>"Ron Webb" > wrote:
>>
>>>Come to Alaska first. Then head south from Cold Bay, Ak airport, stop
>>>at Midway Island, Then proceed to Kawai' airport on the northernmost
>>>of the major Hawaiian islands, and never require a leg more than 1300
>>>miles.
>>
>>I used Google Earth's measuring tool to get an estimate of the distance
>>from Cold Bay, Ak to Midway Atoll and it measured the distance at about
>>2000 sm, or ~1700 nm. Just curious, but what charts or tools did you use
>>to
>>establish the 1300 miles estimate?
>
>
> I wonder if Google Earth uses a great circle measuring method?

I was wondering who was going to pick up on that...

Way to go Morg.

[Jim Logajan]

cavelamb himself > wrote:
> Morgans wrote:
>> "Jim Logajan" > wrote in message
>> .. .
>>
>>>"Ron Webb" > wrote:
>>>
>>>>Come to Alaska first. Then head south from Cold Bay, Ak airport,
>>>>stop at Midway Island, Then proceed to Kawai' airport on the
>>>>northernmost of the major Hawaiian islands, and never require a leg
>>>>more than 1300 miles.
>>>
>>>I used Google Earth's measuring tool to get an estimate of the
>>>distance from Cold Bay, Ak to Midway Atoll and it measured the
>>>distance at about 2000 sm, or ~1700 nm. Just curious, but what charts
>>>or tools did you use to
>>>establish the 1300 miles estimate?
>>
>>
>> I wonder if Google Earth uses a great circle measuring method?
>
> I was wondering who was going to pick up on that...
>
> Way to go Morg.

The short answer appears to be "yes," it does compute using a great circle
method.

[Montblack]

("cavelamb himself" wrote)
>>>I used Google Earth's measuring tool to get an estimate of the distance
>>>from Cold Bay, Ak to Midway Atoll and it measured the distance at about
>>>2000 sm, or ~1700 nm. Just curious, but what charts or tools did you use
>>>to establish the 1300 miles estimate?

>> I wonder if Google Earth uses a great circle measuring method?

> I was wondering who was going to pick up on that...
>
> Way to go Morg.


Great Circle Mapper:
(PACD) Cold Bay, Alaska
(PMDY) Midway Atoll, Henderson Field
http://tinyurl.com/28xyj6
(same link as below)

http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=PACD-PMDY%0D%0A&RANGE=&PATH-COLOR=red&PATH-UNITS=nm&SPEED-GROUND=&SPEED-UNITS=kts&RANGE-STYLE=best&RANGE-COLOR=navy&MAP-STYLE=

http://gc.kls2.com/faq.html
Great Circle Mapper FAQ


MONT-BLAK

[Al G[_1_]]

"Montblack" > wrote in message
...
> ("cavelamb himself" wrote)
>>>>I used Google Earth's measuring tool to get an estimate of the distance
>>>>from Cold Bay, Ak to Midway Atoll and it measured the distance at about
>>>>2000 sm, or ~1700 nm. Just curious, but what charts or tools did you use
>>>>to establish the 1300 miles estimate?
>
>>> I wonder if Google Earth uses a great circle measuring method?
>
>> I was wondering who was going to pick up on that...
>>
>> Way to go Morg.
>
>
> Great Circle Mapper:
> (PACD) Cold Bay, Alaska
> (PMDY) Midway Atoll, Henderson Field
> http://tinyurl.com/28xyj6
> (same link as below)
>
> http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=PACD-PMDY%0D%0A&RANGE=&PATH-COLOR=red&PATH-UNITS=nm&SPEED-GROUND=&SPEED-UNITS=kts&RANGE-STYLE=best&RANGE-COLOR=navy&MAP-STYLE=
>
> http://gc.kls2.com/faq.html
> Great Circle Mapper FAQ
>
>
> MONT-BLAK
>
>
>

Cool Mapper, try PADK-PMDY. It is about 300nm shorter from Adak, and you
get more of a tailwind component.

Why, When I was in P3's...(long lie snipped)

Al G

[Don]

A frind of mine lives in Brisbon. He flew his B58 Baron to the
States. Longest leg was Hilo to the West coast. He had the aft seats
removed and replaced with a tank. Special ferry permit for an
overweight takeoff. Fuse tank fed the left main through the quick
drain fitting and a hand pump to back up the electric one. Garmin 430
with a backup handheld