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March 19th 07, 10:58 PM
It's a 'Cushion Needle,' okay? Yeah, you can call it a 'Rib Stitching
Needle' if you want to. But expect the price to double (or more).
Sometimes it's called a 'Quilting Needle,' 'Button Needle' or just the
generic 'Long Upholstery Needle' but whatever it's called, you need at
least one and more is generally better.

Usta cost about fifty cents for a 10-inch upholstery needle (about
1955). Over the years I accumulated quite a few of them, sharp end
stuck in a cork. My dad had about a dozen of them in a piece of
tubing in one of his tool boxes when he passed away and they fell to
me, my younger brother being strictly a rotary-wing sorta guy.
Although when he died a few years later I found an assortment of
needles in his kit, including a couple of long ones.

Some guys who write to me about Flying on the Cheap can't get real
steel needles. Sometimes it's because they simply aren't available
and sometimes it's because they're too expensive. Sounds silly but
it's true since a lotta guys who write to me do so from foreign
countries. They've got the same yen to fly as anybody else but Lord,
the troubles they run into. Ali went so far as to heat a bed spring,
straighten it out and forge an eye on one end. After doing so he
asked if a needle having a diameter of 1.5mm and a length of 23cm
would be suitable, to which I replied: "Oh my yes!" although forging a
dozen needles might leave you sleeping on the ground, which is why I
advised him to use bamboo.

The bamboo needles were about twelve inches long with a diameter of
3.7mm (about 0.145"). It took several messages to work-out their
fabrication and additional exchanges to discuss the size of the hole.
(Being a grass rather than a wood, bamboo has a perfectly linear
grain, meaning it splits evenly.) After doing one-half of the
elevator, which needed only a short needle but it was something he
could do without assistance, Ali saw that the size of the hole was of
no consequence since it was completely covered by the finishing tapes.

Patel's problem was similar in that he could not find 'suitable
string.' ('Thread' lead to some confusion, as did 'cord' but 'string'
served well enough.) But he did have access to 100% polyester
'string' having a strength of 'approximately 3 kilograms in five
trials' and wondered if he could spin several strands together, which
lead to another affirmative from me and an interesting exchange in the
principle of rope-making, since you can't simply spin the strands
together. Fortunately, Patel grasped the principle at once since he
also has a strong interest in Robotics (or at least, in small gear
trains) and owns a hand-powered drill of which he is justifiably
proud, along with a real carpenter's brace. The result was an
unlimited supply of rib-lacing cord having a breaking strain of about
20 kilograms, more than enough to satisfy the strictest of CAA
inspectors.

American homebuilders have it pretty easy, being able to buy suitable
needles and string :-) But if you'd care to see how others have done
it, a shish-kabob skewer makes a good rib stitching needle. Simply
sand the dull end to a thickness of about 1/16th of an inch and use a
small drill bit to connect a series of holes to form the eye. Sanding
and a bit of varnish will make it smooth enough for several wings-
worth of rib-stitches. Sharpen a nail or wire to make the initial
hole in the doped fabric; bamboo must be re-sharpened too frequently
to make it practical for punching its own holes. Don't worry about
the size of the hole, it will vanish when you apply the finishing
tapes.

And it doesn't absolutely HAVE to be a Seine Knot. A plain old-
fashioned Square Knot does just fine, assuming you're willing to tie-
off each stitch.

Just to add to the difficulties, some of the messages I receive mean
traveling several miles then paying a relatively hefty fee to gain
access to the Internet, plus knowing a foreign language. But it all
goes to show that man really CAN fly... with a bit of help from his
friends.

-R.S.Hoover

PS -- A regular 10" upholstery needle has a diameter of 0.0975" And
yes, it can make its own hole :-)

PPS -- You can whip two strands of thread together without causing any
problems. But if you want more, it's best to spin them together in
the manner used to make a rope. You can find examples of how to do
this on the Internet.

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jls
March 20th 07, 12:53 AM
> wrote in message
oups.com...
> It's a 'Cushion Needle,' okay? Yeah, you can call it a 'Rib
Stitching
> Needle' if you want to. But expect the price to double (or more).
> Sometimes it's called a 'Quilting Needle,' 'Button Needle' or just
the
> generic 'Long Upholstery Needle' but whatever it's called, you need
at
> least one and more is generally better.
>
> Usta cost about fifty cents for a 10-inch upholstery needle (about
> 1955). Over the years I accumulated quite a few of them, sharp end
> stuck in a cork. My dad had about a dozen of them in a piece of
> tubing in one of his tool boxes when he passed away and they fell to
> me, my younger brother being strictly a rotary-wing sorta guy.
> Although when he died a few years later I found an assortment of
> needles in his kit, including a couple of long ones.
>
> Some guys who write to me about Flying on the Cheap can't get real
> steel needles. Sometimes it's because they simply aren't available
> and sometimes it's because they're too expensive. Sounds silly but
> it's true since a lotta guys who write to me do so from foreign
> countries. They've got the same yen to fly as anybody else but
Lord,
> the troubles they run into. Ali went so far as to heat a bed
spring,
> straighten it out and forge an eye on one end. After doing so he
> asked if a needle having a diameter of 1.5mm and a length of 23cm
> would be suitable, to which I replied: "Oh my yes!" although forging
a
> dozen needles might leave you sleeping on the ground, which is why I
> advised him to use bamboo.
>
> The bamboo needles were about twelve inches long with a diameter of
> 3.7mm (about 0.145"). It took several messages to work-out their
> fabrication and additional exchanges to discuss the size of the
hole.
> (Being a grass rather than a wood, bamboo has a perfectly linear
> grain, meaning it splits evenly.) After doing one-half of the
> elevator, which needed only a short needle but it was something he
> could do without assistance, Ali saw that the size of the hole was
of
> no consequence since it was completely covered by the finishing
tapes.
>
> Patel's problem was similar in that he could not find 'suitable
> string.' ('Thread' lead to some confusion, as did 'cord' but
'string'
> served well enough.) But he did have access to 100% polyester
> 'string' having a strength of 'approximately 3 kilograms in five
> trials' and wondered if he could spin several strands together,
which
> lead to another affirmative from me and an interesting exchange in
the
> principle of rope-making, since you can't simply spin the strands
> together. Fortunately, Patel grasped the principle at once since he
> also has a strong interest in Robotics (or at least, in small gear
> trains) and owns a hand-powered drill of which he is justifiably
> proud, along with a real carpenter's brace. The result was an
> unlimited supply of rib-lacing cord having a breaking strain of
about
> 20 kilograms, more than enough to satisfy the strictest of CAA
> inspectors.
>
> American homebuilders have it pretty easy, being able to buy
suitable
> needles and string :-) But if you'd care to see how others have
done
> it, a shish-kabob skewer makes a good rib stitching needle. Simply
> sand the dull end to a thickness of about 1/16th of an inch and use
a
> small drill bit to connect a series of holes to form the eye.
Sanding
> and a bit of varnish will make it smooth enough for several wings-
> worth of rib-stitches. Sharpen a nail or wire to make the initial
> hole in the doped fabric; bamboo must be re-sharpened too frequently
> to make it practical for punching its own holes. Don't worry about
> the size of the hole, it will vanish when you apply the finishing
> tapes.
>
> And it doesn't absolutely HAVE to be a Seine Knot. A plain old-
> fashioned Square Knot does just fine, assuming you're willing to
tie-
> off each stitch.
>
> Just to add to the difficulties, some of the messages I receive mean
> traveling several miles then paying a relatively hefty fee to gain
> access to the Internet, plus knowing a foreign language. But it all
> goes to show that man really CAN fly... with a bit of help from his
> friends.
>
> -R.S.Hoover
>
> PS -- A regular 10" upholstery needle has a diameter of 0.0975"
And
> yes, it can make its own hole :-)
>
> PPS -- You can whip two strands of thread together without causing
any
> problems. But if you want more, it's best to spin them together in
> the manner used to make a rope. You can find examples of how to do
> this on the Internet.

Stimulating and nostalgic, Veeduber. I like that flat thread from
Stits, with the wax on it. Gosh, that stuff was easy to work with and
looked good under the tapes. Getting ready to do some more
rib-stitching, with gusto. PA-18, 1953 vintage.

March 20th 07, 01:47 AM
On Mar 19, 5:53 pm, " jls" > wrote:
> I like that flat thread from
> Stits, with the wax on it.
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It's actually 'lacing tape,' originally used for lacing together looms
of wiring. We usta call it 'Collins 12-cord' after the Collins Radio
Company, who would sell us rolls of it. Do a Google for 'dacron
lacing tape,' you'll run into it. You want the white stuff with the 50-
pound rating; usta come in 500 yd spools, pre-waxed & mildew-proofed
and was delightfully inexpensive. Trouble is, it isn't STC'd for ALL
fabric-covered aircraft... unless it is part of an STC'd package from
one of the covering suppliers, who very kindly re-spool you a quarter
of a spool for about ten times the price... like what happens when an
upholstery needle gets turned into a rib-stitchin needle :-)

-R.S.Hoover

Blueskies
March 21st 07, 12:25 AM
> wrote in message ups.com...
: On Mar 19, 5:53 pm, " jls" > wrote:
: > I like that flat thread from
: > Stits, with the wax on it.
: ---------------------------------------------------------------------
:
: It's actually 'lacing tape,' originally used for lacing together looms
: of wiring. We usta call it 'Collins 12-cord' after the Collins Radio
: Company, who would sell us rolls of it. Do a Google for 'dacron
: lacing tape,' you'll run into it. You want the white stuff with the 50-
: pound rating; usta come in 500 yd spools, pre-waxed & mildew-proofed
: and was delightfully inexpensive. Trouble is, it isn't STC'd for ALL
: fabric-covered aircraft... unless it is part of an STC'd package from
: one of the covering suppliers, who very kindly re-spool you a quarter
: of a spool for about ten times the price... like what happens when an
: upholstery needle gets turned into a rib-stitchin needle :-)
:
: -R.S.Hoover
:

As always, good stuff...Thanks!

Dan D.

jls
March 24th 07, 12:59 AM
"Blueskies" > wrote in message
...
>
> > wrote in message
ups.com...
> : On Mar 19, 5:53 pm, " jls" > wrote:
> : > I like that flat thread from
> : > Stits, with the wax on it.
>
: --------------------------------------------------------------------
-
> :
> : It's actually 'lacing tape,' originally used for lacing together
looms
> : of wiring. We usta call it 'Collins 12-cord' after the Collins
Radio
> : Company, who would sell us rolls of it. Do a Google for 'dacron
> : lacing tape,' you'll run into it. You want the white stuff with
the 50-
> : pound rating; usta come in 500 yd spools, pre-waxed &
mildew-proofed
> : and was delightfully inexpensive. Trouble is, it isn't STC'd for
ALL
> : fabric-covered aircraft... unless it is part of an STC'd package
from
> : one of the covering suppliers, who very kindly re-spool you a
quarter
> : of a spool for about ten times the price... like what happens when
an
> : upholstery needle gets turned into a rib-stitchin needle :-)
> :
> : -R.S.Hoover
> :
>
> As always, good stuff...Thanks!
>
> Dan D.

Yes, Veeduber, yer legendary. Keep it coming and thanks for it.

RST Engineering
March 24th 07, 04:03 PM
Alpha Wire and Cable still makes it, google on Alpha LC 136. About $50 for
a 500 yard spool of the white 50# stuff. A lot of the mail order
electronics companies carry Alpha.

Jim



>> : It's actually 'lacing tape,' originally used for lacing together
> looms
>> : of wiring. We usta call it 'Collins 12-cord' after the Collins
> Radio
>> : Company, who would sell us rolls of it. Do a Google for 'dacron
>> : lacing tape,' you'll run into it. You want the white stuff with
> the 50-
>> : pound rating; usta come in 500 yd spools, pre-waxed &
> mildew-proofed
>> : and was delightfully inexpensive. Trouble is, it isn't STC'd for
> ALL
>> : fabric-covered aircraft... unless it is part of an STC'd package
> from
>> : one of the covering suppliers, who very kindly re-spool you a
> quarter
>> : of a spool for about ten times the price... like what happens when
> an
>> : upholstery needle gets turned into a rib-stitchin needle :-)
>> :
>> : -R.S.Hoover

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