Mx is now forging other peoples monikers - beware!

[CRaSH]

Mx has forged my moniker on several postings in the sim group, so if you see
someone post something uncharacteristic for that particular individual,
check it out before jumping on them. Mx has a really tough time replicating
a normal human being, so it usually sticks out...

What a piece of useless vermin..... And people still pander to the
psychopath.... Amazing....

Cheers'n Beers.. [_])
Don

[Mxsmanic]

CRaSH writes:

> Mx has forged my moniker on several postings in the sim group ...

I'm afraid you're mistaken. I don't forge posts.

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

[Steve Foley[_2_]]

"CRaSH" > wrote in message
...
> Mx has forged my moniker on several postings in the sim group, so if you
> see someone post something uncharacteristic for that particular
> individual, check it out before jumping on them. Mx has a really tough
> time replicating a normal human being, so it usually sticks out...
>
> What a piece of useless vermin..... And people still pander to the
> psychopath.... Amazing....
>
> Cheers'n Beers.. [_])
> Don
>

Send the post (Including headers) to abuse at giganews.


From http://www.giganews.com/legal/aup.html
Altered Headers
Falsifying header lines to obscure the originating server, to attribute a
post to someone else, to falsely indicate moderator approval, or to make an
original post look like a followup are serious abuses of our service and
will result in immediate account termination

Also, I just noticed their acceptable use polity prohibits trolling:

Trolling
Trolling is the practice of maliciously trying to incite others that use a
newsgroup, to deviate from the stated topic of the group. In other words,
trolling is an attempt to anger others to the point of drawing them into an
argument or an off topic debate. Giganews does not tolerate trolling and
will terminate service of those who abuse the service in this manner.

[CRaSH]

Steve Foley wrote:
>
> Send the post (Including headers) to abuse at giganews.
>

Already done.


>
>
> Also, I just noticed their acceptable use polity prohibits trolling:
>

I saw it too, but THAT is hard to believe! Mxmoron has ****ed off what
would probably constitute a major city population, is still "on the air",
and I'm sure a good percentage has been ****ed enough to complain.

Maybe they have a "3,000,000 strikes and you're out" policy? :)

[Matt Barrow[_4_]]

"CRaSH" > wrote in message
...
> Steve Foley wrote:
>>
>> Send the post (Including headers) to abuse at giganews.
>>
>
> Already done.
>>
>> Also, I just noticed their acceptable use polity prohibits trolling:
>>
>
> I saw it too, but THAT is hard to believe! Mxmoron has ****ed off what
> would probably constitute a major city population, is still "on the air",
> and I'm sure a good percentage has been ****ed enough to complain.
>
> Maybe they have a "3,000,000 strikes and you're out" policy? :)
>
Hell, that psycho known as "Mr. Travel" has been around for years, has had a
couple criminal prosecutions going against him (??) , and still has service
from SBC Corp. (?)

[John T]

"Larry Dighera" > wrote in message

>
>> Mx has forged my moniker on several postings in the sim group, ...
>
> Identity theft is a serious crime. Unless you are able to support
> your allegation with incontestable fact, you are guilty of libel, for
> which you are open to prosecution, sir.

Forging USENET monikers is "identity theft"? Worse, it's a crime? And
falsely accusing one of forging said monikers is libel?

Sir, I think you need to step into the real world yourself. :)

--
John T
http://sage1solutions.com/blogs/TknoFlyer
Reduce spam. Use Sender Policy Framework: http://openspf.org
____________________

[Mxsmanic]

Steve Foley writes:

> Who would be the victim? Someone with the initials Mx?

If a person can be damaged by posts forged with his pseudonym, then a person
can be damaged by accusations directed to his pseudonym. You cannot have your
cake and eat it, too.

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

[Steve Foley[_2_]]

"Steve Foley" > wrote in message
...

>
> Maybe I'll turn off my filter and see if he's still trolling....
>


Damn... that didn't take long.

The flight simmer thinks forged headers and libel are the same thing.

Don't bother responding. I'll never see it.

[Mxsmanic]

John T writes:

> Forging USENET monikers is "identity theft"? Worse, it's a crime? And
> falsely accusing one of forging said monikers is libel?

You'd have to show some sort of damage to use these appellations.

If a person posts with a name that clearly associates the post with a real
person (or allows this to be done easily), and someone impersonates him in a
post using the same name, with a post that damages his reputation, he may have
a claim against the forger.

Similarly, if a person false accuses someone of forgery and this results in
some sort of real-world prejudice against that person (cancellation of an
account, trouble with an employer, etc.), then the person accused also has a
claim.

If it's just a matter of trading worthless insults in cyberspace alone, there
generally is nothing to justify legal action.

If you think someone is forging your posts, and you wish to complain, there
are some things you should keep in mind. First is that, unless it is a very
egregious case of forgery that does real damage to you, most ISPs and
providers will ignore your complaints. Second is that, if it does damage you
in some way, you need to be able to provide that objectively; hurt feelings
and pride do _not_ count. Third is that, if your posts are being forged, you
can point out the forgery and complain about it, but don't accuse anyone of it
specifically unless you have objective proof--because, if you are wrong, and
the other person suffers any damage as a result of your accusation, you could
find yourself in quite a bit of hot water, much more than you bargained for.

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

[Larry Dighera]

On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 14:07:46 -0500, "CRaSH" >
wrote in >:

>Mx has forged my moniker on several postings in the sim group, ...

Identity theft is a serious crime. Unless you are able to support
your allegation with incontestable fact, you are guilty of libel, for
which you are open to prosecution, sir.

[Bertie the Bunyip]

On Mar 25, 2:15 am, Larry Dighera > wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 14:07:46 -0500, "CRaSH" >
> wrote in >:
>
> >Mx has forged my moniker on several postings in the sim group, ...
>
> Identity theft is a serious crime. Unless you are able to support
> your allegation with incontestable fact, you are guilty of libel, for
> which you are open to prosecution, sir.



Forging a usenet post isn't anything like a crime, and believe me,
I've seen plenty of it. Unless the forger actually uses another
poster's e-mail addie, it isn't even forging. It's known as "frogging"
in fact.... Making statements like you just have above will get you
nothing but a CNOTM award.

[Bertie the Bunyip]

On Mar 25, 2:58 am, Mxsmanic > wrote:
> Steve Foley writes:
> > Who would be the victim? Someone with the initials Mx?
>
> If a person can be damaged by posts forged with his pseudonym, then a person
> can be damaged by accusations directed to his pseudonym. You cannot have your
> cake and eat it, too.
>

Or fruitcake in your case.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip]

On Mar 25, 3:03 am, Mxsmanic > wrote:
> John T writes:
> > Forging USENET monikers is "identity theft"? Worse, it's a crime? And
> > falsely accusing one of forging said monikers is libel?
>
> You'd have to show some sort of damage to use these appellations.
>
> If a person posts with a name that clearly associates the post with a real
> person (or allows this to be done easily), and someone impersonates him in a
> post using the same name, with a post that damages his reputation, he may have
> a claim against the forger.
>
> Similarly, if a person false accuses someone of forgery and this results in
> some sort of real-world prejudice against that person (cancellation of an
> account, trouble with an employer, etc.), then the person accused also has a
> claim.
>
> If it's just a matter of trading worthless insults in cyberspace alone, there
> generally is nothing to justify legal action.
>
> If you think someone is forging your posts, and you wish to complain, there
> are some things you should keep in mind. First is that, unless it is a very
> egregious case of forgery that does real damage to you, most ISPs and
> providers will ignore your complaints. Second is that, if it does damage you
> in some way, you need to be able to provide that objectively; hurt feelings
> and pride do _not_ count. Third is that, if your posts are being forged, you
> can point out the forgery and complain about it, but don't accuse anyone of it
> specifically unless you have objective proof--because, if you are wrong, and
> the other person suffers any damage as a result of your accusation, you could
> find yourself in quite a bit of hot water, much more than you bargained for.

Bwawhahwhahwhahwhhwahwhahwhahwhhahwhahwhahwhhahw!


God you're a fjukkkwit.



Bertie

[Steve Foley[_2_]]

"Larry Dighera" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 14:07:46 -0500, "CRaSH" >
> wrote in >:
>
>>Mx has forged my moniker on several postings in the sim group, ...
>
> Identity theft is a serious crime. Unless you are able to support
> your allegation with incontestable fact, you are guilty of libel, for
> which you are open to prosecution, sir.

Who would be the victim? Someone with the initials Mx?

[Steve Foley[_2_]]

"CRaSH" > wrote in message
...

> I saw it too, but THAT is hard to believe! Mxmoron has ****ed off what
> would probably constitute a major city population, is still "on the air",
> and I'm sure a good percentage has been ****ed enough to complain.
>
> Maybe they have a "3,000,000 strikes and you're out" policy? :)

I didn't complain because I didn't know they had an anti-trolling policy.

Maybe I'll turn off my filter and see if he's still trolling....

Maybe they're at 2,999,999 and holding....

[Bertie the Bunyip]

On Mar 24, 10:46 pm, "Steve Foley" > wrote:
> "CRaSH" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > Mx has forged my moniker on several postings in the sim group, so if you
> > see someone post something uncharacteristic for that particular
> > individual, check it out before jumping on them. Mx has a really tough
> > time replicating a normal human being, so it usually sticks out...
>
> > What a piece of useless vermin..... And people still pander to the
> > psychopath.... Amazing....
>
> > Cheers'n Beers.. [_])
> > Don
>
> Send the post (Including headers) to abuse at giganews.
>
> Fromhttp://www.giganews.com/legal/aup.html
> Altered Headers
> Falsifying header lines to obscure the originating server, to attribute a
> post to someone else, to falsely indicate moderator approval, or to make an
> original post look like a followup are serious abuses of our service and
> will result in immediate account termination
>
> Also, I just noticed their acceptable use polity prohibits trolling:
>
> Trolling
> Trolling is the practice of maliciously trying to incite others that use a
> newsgroup, to deviate from the stated topic of the group. In other words,
> trolling is an attempt to anger others to the point of drawing them into an
> argument or an off topic debate. Giganews does not tolerate trolling and
> will terminate service of those who abuse the service in this manner.


Well they don't sound like they're much fun.

bertie

[CRaSH]

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>
>> If you think someone is forging your posts, and you wish to
>> complain, there are some things you should keep in mind. First is
>> that, unless it is a very egregious case of forgery that does real
>> damage to you, most ISPs and providers will ignore your complaints.
>> Second is that, if it does damage you in some way, you need to be
>> able to provide that objectively; hurt feelings and pride do _not_
>> count. Third is that, if your posts are being forged, you can point
>> out the forgery and complain about it, but don't accuse anyone of it
>> specifically unless you have objective proof--because, if you are
>> wrong, and the other person suffers any damage as a result of your
>> accusation, you could find yourself in quite a bit of hot water,
>> much more than you bargained for.
>
> Bwawhahwhahwhahwhhwahwhahwhahwhhahwhahwhahwhhahw!
>
>
> God you're a fjukkkwit.
>


I'm absolutely certain Mxmoron has heard every legal defense possible!!!
How could a no account piece of **** like this have survived otherwise??

[buttman]

On Mar 24, 12:07 pm, "CRaSH" > wrote:
> Mx has forged my moniker on several postings in the sim group, so if you see
> someone post something uncharacteristic for that particular individual,
> check it out before jumping on them. Mx has a really tough time replicating
> a normal human being, so it usually sticks out...
>
> What a piece of useless vermin..... And people still pander to the
> psychopath.... Amazing....
>
> Cheers'n Beers.. [_])
> Don

so do you have any actual proof that it was him that forged your name,
or did your mind just go "hmm, someone posted a message on a usenet
group using my internet chit-chat name AND I AM SO HURT, who will I
blame it on, OH I KNOW IT MUST BE THAT MX GUY EVERYONE HATES!!!" I
THINK I'LL MAKE A POST ABOUT IT AND EVERYONE CAN REPLY GIVING ME
VIRTUAL HIGH-FIVES WHILE WE ALL SULK OVER THAT DUMB POOPOO HEAD
BECAUSE HE __DOESNT EVEN FLY PLANES___!!! AHAHA HE PLAYS
SIMULATORS!!!! ///HE ISNT EVEN A REAL PILOT/// HOW DARE HE POST AT OUR
PRECIOUS INTERNET CLIQUE HE MUST BE STOPPED AT ONCE

[BDS]

"Larry Dighera" > wrote
> On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 14:07:46 -0500, "CRaSH" >
> wrote in >:
>
> >Mx has forged my moniker on several postings in the sim group, ...
>
> Identity theft is a serious crime. Unless you are able to support
> your allegation with incontestable fact, you are guilty of libel, for
> which you are open to prosecution, sir.

Now that's funny!

BDS

[Morgans[_2_]]

"buttman" > wrote
>
> so do you have any actual proof that it was him that forged your name,
> or did your mind just go "hmm, someone posted a message on a usenet
> group using my internet chit-chat name AND I AM SO HURT, who will I
> blame it on, OH I KNOW IT MUST BE THAT MX GUY EVERYONE HATES!!!"

What a rude, stoopid ass you are. A waste of breathing good air.

Butt out, buttman. Grow up. Throw a temper tantrum elsewhere.

plonk.

You're just a little turd, not worthy of any capital letters in the plonk.

Not even worthy of my sig line.

[Eeyore[_2_]]

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

> On Mar 25, 2:15 am, Larry Dighera > wrote:
> > On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 14:07:46 -0500, "CRaSH" >
> > wrote in >:
> >
> > >Mx has forged my moniker on several postings in the sim group, ...
> >
> > Identity theft is a serious crime. Unless you are able to support
> > your allegation with incontestable fact, you are guilty of libel, for
> > which you are open to prosecution, sir.
>
> Forging a usenet post isn't anything like a crime, and believe me,
> I've seen plenty of it. Unless the forger actually uses another
> poster's e-mail addie, it isn't even forging. It's known as "frogging"
> in fact.... Making statements like you just have above will get you
> nothing but a CNOTM award.

Didn't stop you imposting me once did it ?

Graham

[Super Dave]

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
> "buttman" > wrote
> >
> > so do you have any actual proof that it was him that forged
> > your name, or did your mind just go "hmm, someone posted a
> > message on a usenet group using my internet chit-chat name
> > AND I AM SO HURT, who will I blame it on, OH I KNOW IT MUST
> > BE THAT MX GUY EVERYONE HATES!!!"
>
> What a rude, stoopid ass you are. A waste of breathing good air.
>
> Butt out, buttman. Grow up. Throw a temper tantrum elsewhere.
>
> plonk.
>
> You're just a little turd, not worthy of any capital letters in the plonk.
>
> Not even worthy of my sig line.
>
>

Absolutely priceless. Buttman posts an excellent synopsis of the incident,
and simultaneously describes a good portion of the Usenet aviation
"community", and this fool throws a temper tantrum. He heard the truth and
cannot accept it, so he plonks the messenger. Absolutely priceless.

[TheSmokingGnu]

Super Dave wrote:
> Absolutely priceless. Buttman posts an excellent synopsis of the incident,

Even you can do the simple header comparisons. Unless there really is
someone who lives in France, uses the same ISP, lives in the same area,
subscribes to Giganews, uses Forte, has identical propogation paths,
/AND/ has had scuffs with Don before, /WITH/ the intent to cause mayhem
in the group, then there is only one likely conclusion.

Either it's him, or one of you coots is a really good hacker.

But of course, why verify fact when you can run to the rescue of your
butt-buddy!

TheSmokingGnu

[Mxsmanic]

TheSmokingGnu writes:

> Even you can do the simple header comparisons. Unless there really is
> someone who lives in France, uses the same ISP, lives in the same area,
> subscribes to Giganews, uses Forte, has identical propogation paths,
> /AND/ has had scuffs with Don before, /WITH/ the intent to cause mayhem
> in the group, then there is only one likely conclusion.
>
> Either it's him, or one of you coots is a really good hacker.

A third possibility is that you don't know how to read USENET headers.

> But of course, why verify fact when you can run to the rescue of your
> butt-buddy!

Odd that you should suggest verifying something when you are wildly
speculating without any verification yourself.

Why don't you send all the headers of the forged posts to GigaNews and ask
them where the posts actually came from? They might tell you, although forged
posts are so common and generally so innocuous that a lot of providers will
simply throw away most complaints. If they do tell you, report back here.

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

[TheSmokingGnu]

Mxsmanic wrote:
> A third possibility is that you don't know how to read USENET headers.

There is no third possibility, only that it was you or was not you. And
buddy, you suck at not being you.

> Odd that you should suggest verifying something when you are wildly
> speculating without any verification yourself.

I could send you a copy of the OED and a first-year book on logic, but
quite frankly, I don't have enough faith in your intrinsic ability to
read, let alone understand.

> forged
> posts are so common and generally so innocuous that a lot of providers will
> simply throw away most complaints.

Why offer justification for actions you "didn't" do?

What's next, going to play cancel wars? Those are "common" and
"innocuous", too.

TheSmokingGnu

[Mxsmanic]

MXMORON writes:

> I see your NNTP header analysis skills match your piloting and fishing
> skills (non-existent).

I've already explained how to complain to the provider. You won't find out
who forged the posts by complaining about it here.

> You hope.

It makes no difference to me. I don't forge posts myself, and if someone does
something that actually damages me in some way, I don't depend on e-mail to
get things done.

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

[Mxsmanic]

TheSmokingGnu writes:

> > forged
> > posts are so common and generally so innocuous that a lot of providers will
> > simply throw away most complaints.
>
> Why offer justification for actions you "didn't" do?

I'm not. I don't usually use e-mail for complaints, and I explained why.
People complain _constantly_ to service providers, and most of the complaints
are trivial and baseless. Impersonation is usually not a big deal, because
most people use pseudonyms, anyway, and it's hard to connect a pseudonym to a
person. Additionally, unless the impersonation has consequences in the real
world, there's not much basis for any real-world action. People get upset and
feel that "something must be done," but apart from hurt feelings and egos,
typically the impersonation has no effect.

I recommend that people who really don't want to be impersonated rely upon
digital signatures to establish their online identities. If I want to show
unambiguously that I wrote a post, I digitally sign it. If it doesn't matter,
I don't (the usual case). Any post not digitally signed by me may be a
forgery.

> What's next, going to play cancel wars? Those are "common" and
> "innocuous", too.

You're operating under a number of misconceptions.

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

[Bertie the Bunyip]

On 26 Mar, 01:59, Mxsmanic > wrote:
> TheSmokingGnu writes:
> > > forged
> > > posts are so common and generally so innocuous that a lot of providers will
> > > simply throw away most complaints.
>
> > Why offer justification for actions you "didn't" do?
>
> I'm not. I don't usually use e-mail for complaints, and I explained why.
> People complain _constantly_ to service providers, and most of the complaints
> are trivial and baseless

We have somethng you're expert in finally! #




Being trivial and baseless.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip]

On 25 Mar, 06:48, Eeyore >
wrote:
> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> > On Mar 25, 2:15 am, Larry Dighera > wrote:
> > > On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 14:07:46 -0500, "CRaSH" >
> > > wrote in >:
>
> > > >Mx has forged my moniker on several postings in the sim group, ...
>
> > > Identity theft is a serious crime. Unless you are able to support
> > > your allegation with incontestable fact, you are guilty of libel, for
> > > which you are open to prosecution, sir.
>
> > Forging a usenet post isn't anything like a crime, and believe me,
> > I've seen plenty of it. Unless the forger actually uses another
> > poster's e-mail addie, it isn't even forging. It's known as "frogging"
> > in fact.... Making statements like you just have above will get you
> > nothing but a CNOTM award.
>
> Didn't stop you imposting me once did it ?
>

Another fjukkwit heard from .


Did you even read the post you retard netkkkkop?



Bertie

[Mxsmanic]

Bertie the Bunyip writes:

> We have somethng you're expert in finally!

I've done a lot of system administration in the past.

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_2_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Bertie the Bunyip writes:
>
>> We have somethng you're expert in finally!
>
> I've done a lot of system administration in the past.
>
I can only imagine what system you've been administrating.


Actually i'd rather not..



bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_2_]]

"CRaSH" > wrote in news:%NlNh.181463$Ju2.139034
@newsfe16.lga:

> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>>
>>> If you think someone is forging your posts, and you wish to
>>> complain, there are some things you should keep in mind. First is
>>> that, unless it is a very egregious case of forgery that does real
>>> damage to you, most ISPs and providers will ignore your complaints.
>>> Second is that, if it does damage you in some way, you need to be
>>> able to provide that objectively; hurt feelings and pride do _not_
>>> count. Third is that, if your posts are being forged, you can point
>>> out the forgery and complain about it, but don't accuse anyone of it
>>> specifically unless you have objective proof--because, if you are
>>> wrong, and the other person suffers any damage as a result of your
>>> accusation, you could find yourself in quite a bit of hot water,
>>> much more than you bargained for.
>>
>> Bwawhahwhahwhahwhhwahwhahwhahwhhahwhahwhahwhhahw!
>>
>>
>> God you're a fjukkkwit.
>>
>
>
> I'm absolutely certain Mxmoron has heard every legal defense
possible!!!
> How could a no account piece of **** like this have survived
otherwise??
>

More lie he's made every legal defense possible


bertie

[Mxsmanic]

Bertie the Bunyip writes:

> I can only imagine what system you've been administrating.

Mainframes and servers.

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_2_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Bertie the Bunyip writes:
>
>> I can only imagine what system you've been administrating.
>
> Mainframes and servers.
>

I really don't want any more details of your sex life, you freak.,



Bertie

[Ladypilot]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Bertie the Bunyip writes:
>
>> We have somethng you're expert in finally!
>
> I've done a lot of system administration in the past.
>

I've done a lot of submissive posturing in the past. I love being on my
knees. How about you, Manic? hehehee

LP

[Mxsmanic]

Ladypilot writes:

> I've done a lot of submissive posturing in the past. I love being on my
> knees. How about you, Manic?

I try to avoid it, as my knees seem to be less sturdy than the rest of me.

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_2_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Ladypilot writes:
>
>> I've done a lot of submissive posturing in the past. I love being on
>> my knees. How about you, Manic?
>
> I try to avoid it, as my knees seem to be less sturdy than the rest of
> me.
>


Too easy


Bertie