biggest simulated demonstration of force in Gulf since the 2003 invasion of Iraq

[AirRaid[_1_]]

http://debka.com/headline.php?hid=3980

DEBKAfile reports: More than 10,000 US personnel, two aircraft
carriers and 100 warplanes begin biggest simulated demonstration of
force in Gulf since the 2003 invasion of Iraq

March 27, 2007, 3:50 PM (GMT+02:00)





DEBKAfile's military sources note that the exercise was launched March
27 the day before the Arab League summit opens in Riyadh, to
demonstrate the Bush administration's determination not to let Iran
block the Strait of Hormuz to oil exports from the Persian Gulf, or
continue its nuclear program.

Taking part are the USS Stennis and USS Eisenhower strike forces.

With Iran's Revolutionary Guards one week into their marine maneuvers,
military tensions in the Gulf region are skyrocketing and boosting
world oil prices.

Intelligence sources in Moscow claim to have information that a US
strike against Iranian nuclear installations has been scheduled for
April 6 at 0040 hours. The Russian sources say the US operation, code-
named "Bite," will last no more than 12 hours and consist of missile
and aerial strikes devastating enough to set Tehran's nuclear program
several years back.

The maneuver also occurs four days after 14 British seamen and one
crew-woman were seized by an Iranian Revolutionary Guards warship,
with no sign that their release is imminent.

London insists its marines were on routine patrol on the Iraqi side of
the Shatt al Arb on behalf of the Iraqi government. Tony Blair has
threatened "a new phase" in the crisis if the captured personnel are
not speedily released.

The warplanes are flying simulated attack maneuvers on enemy shipping
with aircraft and ships, hunting enemy submarines and seeking mines,
off the coast of Iran.

US Navy Cmdr Kevin Aandahl declined to say when the maneuver was
planned or how long it would last. He said US warships would stay out
of Iranian territorial waters up to 12 miles from the Iranian coast.
Tehran does not recognize this limit and claims a deeper stretch of
water.

Our military sources explain the presence of the French naval strike
group led by the nuclear aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle which
joined the two US carriers last Friday: The group will carry out
security missions in the Arabian Sea and its warplanes fly in support
of NATO in Afghanistan.

[Sgt. Giggles of the Kamikaze Gasbag Squadron]

On Mar 27, 5:31 pm, "AirRaid" > wrote:
> http://debka.com/headline.php?hid=3980
>
> DEBKAfile reports: More than 10,000 US personnel, two aircraft
> carriers and 100 warplanes begin biggest simulated demonstration of
> force in Gulf since the 2003 invasion of Iraq
>
> March 27, 2007, 3:50 PM (GMT+02:00)
>
> DEBKAfile's military sources note that the exercise was launched March
> 27 the day before the Arab League summit opens in Riyadh, to
> demonstrate the Bush administration's determination not to let Iran
> block the Strait of Hormuz to oil exports from the Persian Gulf, or
> continue its nuclear program.
>
> Taking part are the USS Stennis and USS Eisenhower strike forces.
>
> With Iran's Revolutionary Guards one week into their marine maneuvers,
> military tensions in the Gulf region are skyrocketing and boosting
> world oil prices.
>
> Intelligence sources in Moscow claim to have information that a US
> strike against Iranian nuclear installations has been scheduled for
> April 6 at 0040 hours. The Russian sources say the US operation, code-
> named "Bite," will last no more than 12 hours and consist of missile
> and aerial strikes devastating enough to set Tehran's nuclear program
> several years back.
>
> The maneuver also occurs four days after 14 British seamen and one
> crew-woman were seized by an Iranian Revolutionary Guards warship,
> with no sign that their release is imminent.
>
> London insists its marines were on routine patrol on the Iraqi side of
> the Shatt al Arb on behalf of the Iraqi government. Tony Blair has
> threatened "a new phase" in the crisis if the captured personnel are
> not speedily released.
>
> The warplanes are flying simulated attack maneuvers on enemy shipping
> with aircraft and ships, hunting enemy submarines and seeking mines,
> off the coast of Iran.
>
> US Navy Cmdr Kevin Aandahl declined to say when the maneuver was
> planned or how long it would last. He said US warships would stay out
> of Iranian territorial waters up to 12 miles from the Iranian coast.
> Tehran does not recognize this limit and claims a deeper stretch of
> water.
>
> Our military sources explain the presence of the French naval strike
> group led by the nuclear aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle which
> joined the two US carriers last Friday: The group will carry out
> security missions in the Arabian Sea and its warplanes fly in support
> of NATO in Afghanistan.



Wait till the "Sunburns" start smokin' those carriers.

That's what that ZIONIST ****tard Bush wants so he can start a nuke
war.

[B-Hate-Me]

"Sgt. Giggles of the Kamikaze Gasbag Squadron" > wrote in
message oups.com...
>> Our military sources explain the presence of the French naval strike
>> group led by the nuclear aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle which
>> joined the two US carriers last Friday: The group will carry out
>> security missions in the Arabian Sea and its warplanes fly in support
>> of NATO in Afghanistan.
>
> Wait till the "Sunburns" start smokin' those carriers.

The "Sunburns' will have quite a task trying to defeat a
Nimitz class carrier.....Never mind TWO.

[ljd]

On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:39:53 -0500, B-Hate-Me <B-Hate-Me@home> wrote:
>
> "Sgt. Giggles of the Kamikaze Gasbag Squadron" > wrote in
> message oups.com...
>>> Our military sources explain the presence of the French naval strike
>>> group led by the nuclear aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle which
>>> joined the two US carriers last Friday: The group will carry out
>>> security missions in the Arabian Sea and its warplanes fly in support
>>> of NATO in Afghanistan.
>>
>> Wait till the "Sunburns" start smokin' those carriers.

Useful open-source information is hard to find on the Web (though there
are lots of pages about how the Sunburn is "Iran's Awesome Nuclear Anti-
Ship Missile.") As far as I can tell, in the real world Iran may have
bought 8 Sunburn missiles from the Ukraine sometime in the 1990s,
or may not have.

I'm not an expert, but in my opinion a US carrier group can probably
successfully defend itself against a grand total of eight anti-ship
missiles of a type that first entered service in the early 1980s.

> The "Sunburns' will have quite a task trying to defeat a
> Nimitz class carrier.....Never mind TWO.

If I remember correctly, armored vehicles were declared to be
obsolete dinosaurs in the mid-1970s. The first major use of man-
portable guided antitank missiles in the 1973 Arab-Israeli war
showed that henceforth tanks would be nothing more than lumbering
targets.

However, weapons in the real world don't work as well as their
theoretical capabilities might suggest, and potential targets
have a strong incentive to develop countermeasures and tactics
that reduce their effectiveness. Western navies have had twenty-
five years to think about the threat posed by the Sunburn, and
about ways to reduce the threat.

It turns out that wire-guided antitank missiles didn't eliminate
tanks. Likewise, the existence of "awesome" anti-ship missiles
doesn't automatically make surface ships obsolete.


ljd

[Paul J. Adam]

In message >, ljd
> writes
>It turns out that wire-guided antitank missiles didn't eliminate
>tanks. Likewise, the existence of "awesome" anti-ship missiles
>doesn't automatically make surface ships obsolete.

Logical, reasoned, supported by evidence.

I'm afraid I'll have to revoke your Usenet licence if you keep posting
like that. Couldn't you at least froth at the mouth a little?

--
The nation that makes a great distinction between its scholars and its
warriors, will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done
by fools.
-Thucydides


Paul J. Adam - mainbox{at}jrwlynch[dot]demon(dot)co<dot>uk

[David E. Powell]

On Mar 27, 9:30 pm, "Sgt. Giggles of the Kamikaze Gasbag Squadron"
> wrote:
> On Mar 27, 5:31 pm, "AirRaid" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >http://debka.com/headline.php?hid=3980
>
> > DEBKAfile reports: More than 10,000 US personnel, two aircraft
> > carriers and 100 warplanes begin biggest simulated demonstration of
> > force in Gulf since the 2003 invasion of Iraq
>
> > March 27, 2007, 3:50 PM (GMT+02:00)
>
> > DEBKAfile's military sources note that the exercise was launched March
> > 27 the day before the Arab League summit opens in Riyadh, to
> > demonstrate the Bush administration's determination not to let Iran
> > block the Strait of Hormuz to oil exports from the Persian Gulf, or
> > continue its nuclear program.
>
> > Taking part are the USS Stennis and USS Eisenhower strike forces.
>
> > With Iran's Revolutionary Guards one week into their marine maneuvers,
> > military tensions in the Gulf region are skyrocketing and boosting
> > world oil prices.
>
> > Intelligence sources in Moscow claim to have information that a US
> > strike against Iranian nuclear installations has been scheduled for
> > April 6 at 0040 hours. The Russian sources say the US operation, code-
> > named "Bite," will last no more than 12 hours and consist of missile
> > and aerial strikes devastating enough to set Tehran's nuclear program
> > several years back.
>
> > The maneuver also occurs four days after 14 British seamen and one
> > crew-woman were seized by an Iranian Revolutionary Guards warship,
> > with no sign that their release is imminent.
>
> > London insists its marines were on routine patrol on the Iraqi side of
> > the Shatt al Arb on behalf of the Iraqi government. Tony Blair has
> > threatened "a new phase" in the crisis if the captured personnel are
> > not speedily released.
>
> > The warplanes are flying simulated attack maneuvers on enemy shipping
> > with aircraft and ships, hunting enemy submarines and seeking mines,
> > off the coast of Iran.
>
> > US Navy Cmdr Kevin Aandahl declined to say when the maneuver was
> > planned or how long it would last. He said US warships would stay out
> > of Iranian territorial waters up to 12 miles from the Iranian coast.
> > Tehran does not recognize this limit and claims a deeper stretch of
> > water.
>
> > Our military sources explain the presence of the French naval strike
> > group led by the nuclear aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle which
> > joined the two US carriers last Friday: The group will carry out
> > security missions in the Arabian Sea and its warplanes fly in support
> > of NATO in Afghanistan.
>
> Wait till the "Sunburns" start smokin' those carriers.
>
> That's what that ZIONIST

No bias in this post....

**** Bush wants so he can start a nuke
> war.

Why would he want his forces destroyed? He'd want them to survive.
This is like the "FDR planned Pearl Harbor" nonsense. Wouldn't FDR
want his forces to come through more or less intact so as to better
smite the enemy? Do try to keep the conspiracies straight.

[Jack Linthicum]

On Mar 29, 4:05 pm, "David E. Powell" >
wrote:
> On Mar 27, 9:30 pm, "Sgt. Giggles of the Kamikaze Gasbag Squadron"
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> > On Mar 27, 5:31 pm, "AirRaid" > wrote:
>
> > >http://debka.com/headline.php?hid=3980
>
> > > DEBKAfile reports: More than 10,000 US personnel, two aircraft
> > > carriers and 100 warplanes begin biggest simulated demonstration of
> > > force in Gulf since the 2003 invasion of Iraq
>
> > > March 27, 2007, 3:50 PM (GMT+02:00)
>
> > > DEBKAfile's military sources note that the exercise was launched March
> > > 27 the day before the Arab League summit opens in Riyadh, to
> > > demonstrate the Bush administration's determination not to let Iran
> > > block the Strait of Hormuz to oil exports from the Persian Gulf, or
> > > continue its nuclear program.
>
> > > Taking part are the USS Stennis and USS Eisenhower strike forces.
>
> > > With Iran's Revolutionary Guards one week into their marine maneuvers,
> > > military tensions in the Gulf region are skyrocketing and boosting
> > > world oil prices.
>
> > > Intelligence sources in Moscow claim to have information that a US
> > > strike against Iranian nuclear installations has been scheduled for
> > > April 6 at 0040 hours. The Russian sources say the US operation, code-
> > > named "Bite," will last no more than 12 hours and consist of missile
> > > and aerial strikes devastating enough to set Tehran's nuclear program
> > > several years back.
>
> > > The maneuver also occurs four days after 14 British seamen and one
> > > crew-woman were seized by an Iranian Revolutionary Guards warship,
> > > with no sign that their release is imminent.
>
> > > London insists its marines were on routine patrol on the Iraqi side of
> > > the Shatt al Arb on behalf of the Iraqi government. Tony Blair has
> > > threatened "a new phase" in the crisis if the captured personnel are
> > > not speedily released.
>
> > > The warplanes are flying simulated attack maneuvers on enemy shipping
> > > with aircraft and ships, hunting enemy submarines and seeking mines,
> > > off the coast of Iran.
>
> > > US Navy Cmdr Kevin Aandahl declined to say when the maneuver was
> > > planned or how long it would last. He said US warships would stay out
> > > of Iranian territorial waters up to 12 miles from the Iranian coast.
> > > Tehran does not recognize this limit and claims a deeper stretch of
> > > water.
>
> > > Our military sources explain the presence of the French naval strike
> > > group led by the nuclear aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle which
> > > joined the two US carriers last Friday: The group will carry out
> > > security missions in the Arabian Sea and its warplanes fly in support
> > > of NATO in Afghanistan.
>
> > Wait till the "Sunburns" start smokin' those carriers.
>
> > That's what that ZIONIST
>
> No bias in this post....
>
> **** Bush wants so he can start a nuke
>
> > war.
>
> Why would he want his forces destroyed? He'd want them to survive.
> This is like the "FDR planned Pearl Harbor" nonsense. Wouldn't FDR
> want his forces to come through more or less intact so as to better
> smite the enemy? Do try to keep the conspiracies straight.

As I have said elsewhere Iran is very short on gasoline, they must buy
it from other states to supply their domestic use. If the refinery/
refineries they have were hit or even threatened I would imagine a lot
of intelligent conversation taking place with whomever represents U.S.
interests in Iran. Switzerland, I believe.

http://www.payvand.com/news/06/aug/1266.html

[george]

On Mar 28, 1:30 pm, "Sgt. Giggles of the Kamikaze Gasbag Squadron"
> wrote:

> Wait till the "Sunburns" start smokin' those carriers.
>
> That's what that ZIONIST ****tard Bush wants so he can start a nuke
> war.

Riiiight.
An entire Battle group with allied naval units in support stationed
off the Iranian coast is not going to damage anything silly enough to
attack it

Riiiight.
Its the Iranian nutter who is the cause.
The rest of the world is simply responding to a maniac

[[email protected]]

On Mar 27, 7:31 pm, "AirRaid" > wrote:
> http://debka.com/headline.php?hid=3980
>
> DEBKAfile reports: More than 10,000 US personnel, two aircraft
> carriers and 100 warplanes begin biggest simulated demonstration of
> force in Gulf since the 2003 invasion of Iraq
>
> March 27, 2007, 3:50 PM (GMT+02:00)
>
> DEBKAfile's military sources note that the exercise was launched March
> 27 the day before the Arab League summit opens in Riyadh, to
> demonstrate the Bush administration's determination not to let Iran
> block the Strait of Hormuz to oil exports from the Persian Gulf, or
> continue its nuclear program.
>
> Taking part are the USS Stennis and USS Eisenhower strike forces.
>
> With Iran's Revolutionary Guards one week into their marine maneuvers,
> military tensions in the Gulf region are skyrocketing and boosting
> world oil prices.
>
> Intelligence sources in Moscow claim to have information that a US
> strike against Iranian nuclear installations has been scheduled for
> April 6 at 0040 hours. The Russian sources say the US operation, code-
> named "Bite," will last no more than 12 hours and consist of missile
> and aerial strikes devastating enough to set Tehran's nuclear program
> several years back.
>
> The maneuver also occurs four days after 14 British seamen and one
> crew-woman were seized by an Iranian Revolutionary Guards warship,
> with no sign that their release is imminent.
>
> London insists its marines were on routine patrol on the Iraqi side of
> the Shatt al Arb on behalf of the Iraqi government. Tony Blair has
> threatened "a new phase" in the crisis if the captured personnel are
> not speedily released.
>
> The warplanes are flying simulated attack maneuvers on enemy shipping
> with aircraft and ships, hunting enemy submarines and seeking mines,
> off the coast of Iran.
>
> US Navy Cmdr Kevin Aandahl declined to say when the maneuver was
> planned or how long it would last. He said US warships would stay out
> of Iranian territorial waters up to 12 miles from the Iranian coast.
> Tehran does not recognize this limit and claims a deeper stretch of
> water.
>
> Our military sources explain the presence of the French naval strike
> group led by the nuclear aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle which
> joined the two US carriers last Friday: The group will carry out
> security missions in the Arabian Sea and its warplanes fly in support
> of NATO in Afghanistan.


My question...how is this a "simulated demonstration of force"?
Seems to be pretty real.

[Tankfixer]

In article >,
mumbled
> On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:39:53 -0500, B-Hate-Me <B-Hate-Me@home> wrote:
> >
> > "Sgt. Giggles of the Kamikaze Gasbag Squadron" > wrote in
> > message oups.com...
> >>> Our military sources explain the presence of the French naval strike
> >>> group led by the nuclear aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle which
> >>> joined the two US carriers last Friday: The group will carry out
> >>> security missions in the Arabian Sea and its warplanes fly in support
> >>> of NATO in Afghanistan.
> >>
> >> Wait till the "Sunburns" start smokin' those carriers.
>
> Useful open-source information is hard to find on the Web (though there
> are lots of pages about how the Sunburn is "Iran's Awesome Nuclear Anti-
> Ship Missile.") As far as I can tell, in the real world Iran may have
> bought 8 Sunburn missiles from the Ukraine sometime in the 1990s,
> or may not have.

From the bits I've seen they were past thier "Use by" date when someone
sold them to Iran.



> I'm not an expert, but in my opinion a US carrier group can probably
> successfully defend itself against a grand total of eight anti-ship
> missiles of a type that first entered service in the early 1980s.
>
> > The "Sunburns' will have quite a task trying to defeat a
> > Nimitz class carrier.....Never mind TWO.
>
> If I remember correctly, armored vehicles were declared to be
> obsolete dinosaurs in the mid-1970s. The first major use of man-
> portable guided antitank missiles in the 1973 Arab-Israeli war
> showed that henceforth tanks would be nothing more than lumbering
> targets.
>
> However, weapons in the real world don't work as well as their
> theoretical capabilities might suggest, and potential targets
> have a strong incentive to develop countermeasures and tactics
> that reduce their effectiveness. Western navies have had twenty-
> five years to think about the threat posed by the Sunburn, and
> about ways to reduce the threat.
>
> It turns out that wire-guided antitank missiles didn't eliminate
> tanks. Likewise, the existence of "awesome" anti-ship missiles
> doesn't automatically make surface ships obsolete.
>

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