The Worst Aviation Movie of All Time

[Jay Honeck]

We often talk about the BEST aviation movie here, but how 'bout the
worst?

Having spent nearly a year of my life showing aviation movies every
Tuesday night in our theater at the hotel, I am in a somewhat unique
position to comment on this. I've seen over 50 aviation movies in a
row, and can lend some perspective.

Many of the early aviation movies were saddled with the stilted acting
styles that followed the introduction of "talkies" in the 1920s/30s,
so you have to take some of them with a grain of salt.

An example is Howard Hughes' "Hells Angels", which is full of nice
flying scenes and some truly terrible acting. It's like they didn't
know how to write dialogue, yet -- which was okay, cuz the actors
didn't know how to deliver it.

Re: John Wayne. Having seen all of his aviation flicks now, it's easy
to see where John Wayne got his reputation for being one-dimensional.
Every aviation movie he starred in (with the notable exception of the
"Island in the Sky" -- read about it here: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0045919/
) has the same plot, and he played the same character. Many are quite
awful, although the WWII flying scenes are often quite good.

But after last night I can honestly say that the award for worst
aviation movie EVER made goes to "Iron Eagle" -- the 1986 movie that
was the Air Forces's quick answer to the success of "Top Gun".

By God, it's awful. The story line (Synopsis: A teenager and a
Colonol steal two F-16s, fly half-way around the world, destroy a
Saddam-look-alike's air force, and then LAND on the runway they just
destroyed to rescue the teenager's father from certain death), the
acting, the flying scenes, the combat scenes (astoundingly bad, with
missiles that fly at light-speed), even the credits are just
TERRIBLE.

This movie should have single-handedly ended Lou Gossetts' career, but
-- inexplicably -- they actually made a SEQUEL to this dog! I will
not see it.

We showed it last night at Movie Night, and the comments ranged from
"Thank God we didn't pay anything to *that*" to "I need another
beer." The scenes where targets on the ground -- like a water tower
on stilts -- blow up with near-nuclear force after just a few machine
gun hits were especially well derided...

Although Move Night is always just an excuse to get together and
hangar fly and fly the Kiwi flight simulator, this was so truly
terrible that it 'bout killed us.

Anyone got any other "nominations" for WORST ever?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Dan Luke]

"Jay Honeck" wrote:

> We often talk about the BEST aviation movie here, but how 'bout the worst?

I'd put "Pearl Harbor" up against anything for sheer Hollywood stupidity.
Sure, there have been plenty of crappy aviation B-movies made, but P H was
crappiness on a grand scale.

--
Dan
C-172RG at BFM

[Mxsmanic]

Jay Honeck writes:

> We showed it last night at Movie Night, and the comments ranged from
> "Thank God we didn't pay anything to *that*" to "I need another
> beer." The scenes where targets on the ground -- like a water tower
> on stilts -- blow up with near-nuclear force after just a few machine
> gun hits were especially well derided...

Was anyone in the audience a 12- or 13-year-old boy with no flying experience?

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[Matt Barrow[_4_]]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Re: John Wayne. Having seen all of his aviation flicks now, it's easy
> to see where John Wayne got his reputation for being one-dimensional.
> Every aviation movie he starred in (with the notable exception of the
> "Island in the Sky" -- read about it here:
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0045919/
> ) has the same plot, and he played the same character. Many are quite
> awful, although the WWII flying scenes are often quite good.

Even "Wings of Eagles"? Heretic! Persecute!! Persecute!!

[Matt Barrow[_4_]]

"Dan Luke" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Jay Honeck" wrote:
>
>> We often talk about the BEST aviation movie here, but how 'bout the
>> worst?
>
> I'd put "Pearl Harbor" up against anything for sheer Hollywood stupidity.
> Sure, there have been plenty of crappy aviation B-movies made, but P H was
> crappiness on a grand scale.

Second that!!

Even worse is having a teenaged daughter (Josh Harnett fan) that brought it
home on DVD and played it several times.

[John Clear]

In article . com>,
Jay Honeck > wrote:
>
>But after last night I can honestly say that the award for worst
>aviation movie EVER made goes to "Iron Eagle" -- the 1986 movie that
>was the Air Forces's quick answer to the success of "Top Gun".
>
[...]
>
>This movie should have single-handedly ended Lou Gossetts' career, but
>-- inexplicably -- they actually made a SEQUEL to this dog! I will
>not see it.

According to IMDB, they even made Iron Eagle IV. The first was bad
enough...

John
--
John Clear - http://www.clear-prop.org/

[Marco Leon]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> But after last night I can honestly say that the award for worst
> aviation movie EVER made goes to "Iron Eagle" -- the 1986 movie that
> was the Air Forces's quick answer to the success of "Top Gun".
>
> By God, it's awful. The story line (Synopsis: A teenager and a
> Colonol steal two F-16s, fly half-way around the world, destroy a
> Saddam-look-alike's air force, and then LAND on the runway they just
> destroyed to rescue the teenager's father from certain death), the
> acting, the flying scenes, the combat scenes (astoundingly bad, with
> missiles that fly at light-speed), even the credits are just
> TERRIBLE.
>
> This movie should have single-handedly ended Lou Gossetts' career, but
> -- inexplicably -- they actually made a SEQUEL to this dog! I will
> not see it.

If you're looking for the worst ever, then you'll HAVE to see the sequels
(yes, they made multiple!). I saw a few minutes of Iron Eagle III: Aces late
at night on a high-numbered cable channel and was limited to those few
minutes because that's all I could stand. At least in the first one they
were able to borrow a real F-16 from the Air Force. Apparently someone in
the USAF actually saw how bad the original was because there was no
government hardware anywhere in the scenes that I saw.

Marco

[Jim Burns[_2_]]

Didn't you like the scene where they were racing a C152 against a dirtbike?
Watch the flaps on the 152. Must be go fast devices for movie airplanes,
they seem to use them more than the rest of us when they want to go really
fast.
Jim

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> We often talk about the BEST aviation movie here, but how 'bout the
> worst?
>
> Having spent nearly a year of my life showing aviation movies every
> Tuesday night in our theater at the hotel, I am in a somewhat unique
> position to comment on this. I've seen over 50 aviation movies in a
> row, and can lend some perspective.
>
> Many of the early aviation movies were saddled with the stilted acting
> styles that followed the introduction of "talkies" in the 1920s/30s,
> so you have to take some of them with a grain of salt.
>
> An example is Howard Hughes' "Hells Angels", which is full of nice
> flying scenes and some truly terrible acting. It's like they didn't
> know how to write dialogue, yet -- which was okay, cuz the actors
> didn't know how to deliver it.
>
> Re: John Wayne. Having seen all of his aviation flicks now, it's easy
> to see where John Wayne got his reputation for being one-dimensional.
> Every aviation movie he starred in (with the notable exception of the
> "Island in the Sky" -- read about it here:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0045919/
> ) has the same plot, and he played the same character. Many are quite
> awful, although the WWII flying scenes are often quite good.
>
> But after last night I can honestly say that the award for worst
> aviation movie EVER made goes to "Iron Eagle" -- the 1986 movie that
> was the Air Forces's quick answer to the success of "Top Gun".
>
> By God, it's awful. The story line (Synopsis: A teenager and a
> Colonol steal two F-16s, fly half-way around the world, destroy a
> Saddam-look-alike's air force, and then LAND on the runway they just
> destroyed to rescue the teenager's father from certain death), the
> acting, the flying scenes, the combat scenes (astoundingly bad, with
> missiles that fly at light-speed), even the credits are just
> TERRIBLE.
>
> This movie should have single-handedly ended Lou Gossetts' career, but
> -- inexplicably -- they actually made a SEQUEL to this dog! I will
> not see it.
>
> We showed it last night at Movie Night, and the comments ranged from
> "Thank God we didn't pay anything to *that*" to "I need another
> beer." The scenes where targets on the ground -- like a water tower
> on stilts -- blow up with near-nuclear force after just a few machine
> gun hits were especially well derided...
>
> Although Move Night is always just an excuse to get together and
> hangar fly and fly the Kiwi flight simulator, this was so truly
> terrible that it 'bout killed us.
>
> Anyone got any other "nominations" for WORST ever?
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>

[Dylan Smith]

On 2007-03-28, Dan Luke > wrote:
>
> "Jay Honeck" wrote:
>
>> We often talk about the BEST aviation movie here, but how 'bout the worst?
>
> I'd put "Pearl Harbor" up against anything for sheer Hollywood stupidity.
> Sure, there have been plenty of crappy aviation B-movies made, but P H was
> crappiness on a grand scale.

Pearl Harbor is one thing. But I think Jay should show one particular
aviation movie in his home cinema setup. It is the movie that is so bad
it is good. It is in fact, the movie that they parodied in "Airplane".

It's called "Zero Hour". The hero is even called Ted Striker. It's dead
serious - but seen through the lens of "Airplane" it's something else.
The closing sequence of the aircraft landing has to be the classic
sequence of this movie. Also, be sure to watch the instrument panel when
Ted Striker enters the flight deck for the first time ...

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[Jim Macklin]

I agree, IRON EAGLE is terrible, but a close second has to
be the re-make of FLIGHT OF THE PHOENIX, at least as
compared to the wonderful original with Jimmy Stewart, et
al.


"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
oups.com...
| We often talk about the BEST aviation movie here, but how
'bout the
| worst?
|
| Having spent nearly a year of my life showing aviation
movies every
| Tuesday night in our theater at the hotel, I am in a
somewhat unique
| position to comment on this. I've seen over 50 aviation
movies in a
| row, and can lend some perspective.
|
| Many of the early aviation movies were saddled with the
stilted acting
| styles that followed the introduction of "talkies" in the
1920s/30s,
| so you have to take some of them with a grain of salt.
|
| An example is Howard Hughes' "Hells Angels", which is full
of nice
| flying scenes and some truly terrible acting. It's like
they didn't
| know how to write dialogue, yet -- which was okay, cuz the
actors
| didn't know how to deliver it.
|
| Re: John Wayne. Having seen all of his aviation flicks
now, it's easy
| to see where John Wayne got his reputation for being
one-dimensional.
| Every aviation movie he starred in (with the notable
exception of the
| "Island in the Sky" -- read about it here:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0045919/
| ) has the same plot, and he played the same character.
Many are quite
| awful, although the WWII flying scenes are often quite
good.
|
| But after last night I can honestly say that the award for
worst
| aviation movie EVER made goes to "Iron Eagle" -- the 1986
movie that
| was the Air Forces's quick answer to the success of "Top
Gun".
|
| By God, it's awful. The story line (Synopsis: A teenager
and a
| Colonol steal two F-16s, fly half-way around the world,
destroy a
| Saddam-look-alike's air force, and then LAND on the runway
they just
| destroyed to rescue the teenager's father from certain
death), the
| acting, the flying scenes, the combat scenes (astoundingly
bad, with
| missiles that fly at light-speed), even the credits are
just
| TERRIBLE.
|
| This movie should have single-handedly ended Lou Gossetts'
career, but
| -- inexplicably -- they actually made a SEQUEL to this
dog! I will
| not see it.
|
| We showed it last night at Movie Night, and the comments
ranged from
| "Thank God we didn't pay anything to *that*" to "I need
another
| beer." The scenes where targets on the ground -- like a
water tower
| on stilts -- blow up with near-nuclear force after just a
few machine
| gun hits were especially well derided...
|
| Although Move Night is always just an excuse to get
together and
| hangar fly and fly the Kiwi flight simulator, this was so
truly
| terrible that it 'bout killed us.
|
| Anyone got any other "nominations" for WORST ever?
| --
| Jay Honeck
| Iowa City, IA
| Pathfinder N56993
| www.AlexisParkInn.com
| "Your Aviation Destination"
|

[Orval Fairbairn]

In article >,
"Matt Barrow" > wrote:

> "Dan Luke" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Jay Honeck" wrote:
> >
> >> We often talk about the BEST aviation movie here, but how 'bout the
> >> worst?
> >
> > I'd put "Pearl Harbor" up against anything for sheer Hollywood stupidity.
> > Sure, there have been plenty of crappy aviation B-movies made, but P H was
> > crappiness on a grand scale.
>
> Second that!!
>
> Even worse is having a teenaged daughter (Josh Harnett fan) that brought it
> home on DVD and played it several times.

I would add all of the "Airport" movies to the candidates' list!

[Jim Burns[_2_]]

At that point everybody just has the dry heaves.

Jim

[Dallas]

On 28 Mar 2007 06:37:31 -0700, Jay Honeck wrote:

> Re: John Wayne. Having seen all of his aviation flicks now, it's easy
> to see where John Wayne got his reputation for being one-dimensional.


Perhaps the third worst movie would be the 1954 soap opera in the sky, The
High and the Mighty.

The high point of the movie would be John Wayne bitch slapping Robert Stack
in the cockpit. (Two thumbs up)

The low point would have to be the sleeping kid in the back seat finally
wakes up after a safe landing, after sleep through:

1) The left outboard engine seizes up, causing its prop to separate and
send the blades through the fuselage, followed by a serious engine fire.

2) The passengers losing their minds and generally running amuck around the
cabin.

3) A wrestling match with a passenger who discharges a pistol.

4) The cabin door back where the kid is sleeping gets thrown open and they
throw everything not nailed down out of the aircraft.

Man, that kid can sleep! He'll never need an Ambien prescription.


--
Dallas

[Kev]

Die Hard 2 is a contender for worst, IMO.

1) Airplane blindly follows ILS to below runway level and crashes No
ambulances or fire trucks came, that I recall.

2) When the airport closes, all other planes circle helplessly
forever, waiting to run out of fuel, instead of diverting.

3) Airport manager runs around with E6B in hand at beginning, which
told him they were in trouble.

4) The ejection seat scene.

5) The flame following leaking fuel up into the sky scene.

Etc. Woof woof!!

My second choice would be any of the sequels to Airport, but
especially the one where the 747 goes into the ocean and survives
intact to the bottom of the sea.

Kev

[Jim Stewart]

Jay Honeck wrote:
> We often talk about the BEST aviation movie here, but how 'bout the
> worst?
>
> Having spent nearly a year of my life showing aviation movies every
> Tuesday night in our theater at the hotel, I am in a somewhat unique
> position to comment on this. I've seen over 50 aviation movies in a
> row, and can lend some perspective.
>
> Many of the early aviation movies were saddled with the stilted acting
> styles that followed the introduction of "talkies" in the 1920s/30s,
> so you have to take some of them with a grain of salt.
>
> An example is Howard Hughes' "Hells Angels", which is full of nice
> flying scenes and some truly terrible acting. It's like they didn't
> know how to write dialogue, yet -- which was okay, cuz the actors
> didn't know how to deliver it.

And the converse would be the really, really good
movie "No Highway in the Sky" with absolutely
retched special effects of the airplane.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_2_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Jay Honeck writes:
>
>> We showed it last night at Movie Night, and the comments ranged from
>> "Thank God we didn't pay anything to *that*" to "I need another
>> beer." The scenes where targets on the ground -- like a water tower
>> on stilts -- blow up with near-nuclear force after just a few machine
>> gun hits were especially well derided...
>
> Was anyone in the audience a 12- or 13-year-old boy with no flying
> experience?

Nah, too easy


bertie

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, "Kev" > said:
>My second choice would be any of the sequels to Airport, but
>especially the one where the 747 goes into the ocean and survives
>intact to the bottom of the sea.

There was a Futurama episode where their space ship sinks in the ocean,
and as the pressure builds, they ask the professor how much pressure it
can take. He says it was built for outer space, so it can take anywhere
from 0 to 1 atmosphere. I think of that Airport movie whenever I see that
scene.


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C: is the Windows OS disk, so it's called "C", for "CRAP".
-- David P. Murphy

[john smith[_2_]]

You don't allow your audience to throw popcorn at the screen?

[john smith[_2_]]

In article >,
"Marco Leon" > wrote:

> At least in the first one they
> were able to borrow a real F-16 from the Air Force. Apparently someone in
> the USAF actually saw how bad the original was because there was no
> government hardware anywhere in the scenes that I saw.

USAF would allow use of any of its equipment.
The F16 was Israeli Air Force.
The production company built plywood F16 mockups powered by VW engines
for the ground shots.

[john smith[_2_]]

In article >,
john smith > wrote:

> In article >,
> "Marco Leon" > wrote:
>
> > At least in the first one they
> > were able to borrow a real F-16 from the Air Force. Apparently someone in
> > the USAF actually saw how bad the original was because there was no
> > government hardware anywhere in the scenes that I saw.
>
> USAF would allow use of any of its equipment.
> The F16 was Israeli Air Force.
> The production company built plywood F16 mockups powered by VW engines
> for the ground shots.

First line should read...

USAF would not allow use of any of its equipment.

[Blanche]

Jewel of the Nile.

Don't laugh! Last time I checked (which was when I was working at
the F-16 factory in Ft. Worth), it was not possible to fire any
weapons (particularly the machine guns) while the aircraft was
on the ground.

On the other hand, who can resist Danny DeVito and the Flying
Karamazov Brothers?

[tom418]

I'd have to put the TV movie based on Arthur Hailey's "Runway Zero Eight" as
the worst movie. It's the classic two man crew gets food poisoning, and the
hero pax saves the day by landing plane (Martin 404?) scenario.
"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> We often talk about the BEST aviation movie here, but how 'bout the
> worst?
>
> Having spent nearly a year of my life showing aviation movies every
> Tuesday night in our theater at the hotel, I am in a somewhat unique
> position to comment on this. I've seen over 50 aviation movies in a
> row, and can lend some perspective.
>
> Many of the early aviation movies were saddled with the stilted acting
> styles that followed the introduction of "talkies" in the 1920s/30s,
> so you have to take some of them with a grain of salt.
>
> An example is Howard Hughes' "Hells Angels", which is full of nice
> flying scenes and some truly terrible acting. It's like they didn't
> know how to write dialogue, yet -- which was okay, cuz the actors
> didn't know how to deliver it.
>
> Re: John Wayne. Having seen all of his aviation flicks now, it's easy
> to see where John Wayne got his reputation for being one-dimensional.
> Every aviation movie he starred in (with the notable exception of the
> "Island in the Sky" -- read about it here:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0045919/
> ) has the same plot, and he played the same character. Many are quite
> awful, although the WWII flying scenes are often quite good.
>
> But after last night I can honestly say that the award for worst
> aviation movie EVER made goes to "Iron Eagle" -- the 1986 movie that
> was the Air Forces's quick answer to the success of "Top Gun".
>
> By God, it's awful. The story line (Synopsis: A teenager and a
> Colonol steal two F-16s, fly half-way around the world, destroy a
> Saddam-look-alike's air force, and then LAND on the runway they just
> destroyed to rescue the teenager's father from certain death), the
> acting, the flying scenes, the combat scenes (astoundingly bad, with
> missiles that fly at light-speed), even the credits are just
> TERRIBLE.
>
> This movie should have single-handedly ended Lou Gossetts' career, but
> -- inexplicably -- they actually made a SEQUEL to this dog! I will
> not see it.
>
> We showed it last night at Movie Night, and the comments ranged from
> "Thank God we didn't pay anything to *that*" to "I need another
> beer." The scenes where targets on the ground -- like a water tower
> on stilts -- blow up with near-nuclear force after just a few machine
> gun hits were especially well derided...
>
> Although Move Night is always just an excuse to get together and
> hangar fly and fly the Kiwi flight simulator, this was so truly
> terrible that it 'bout killed us.
>
> Anyone got any other "nominations" for WORST ever?
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, "tom418" > said:
>I'd have to put the TV movie based on Arthur Hailey's "Runway Zero Eight" as
>the worst movie. It's the classic two man crew gets food poisoning, and the
>hero pax saves the day by landing plane (Martin 404?) scenario.

IMDB has never heard of a movie by that name. Are you sure you don't mean
"Zero Hour"? IMDB says Arthur Hailey wrote it, originally as a TV move
called "Flight Into Danger".


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"Pilots are reminded to ensure that all surly bonds are slipped before
attempting taxi or take-off"

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, (Paul Tomblin) said:
>In a previous article, "tom418" > said:
>>I'd have to put the TV movie based on Arthur Hailey's "Runway Zero Eight" as
>>the worst movie. It's the classic two man crew gets food poisoning, and the
>>hero pax saves the day by landing plane (Martin 404?) scenario.
>
>IMDB has never heard of a movie by that name. Are you sure you don't mean
>"Zero Hour"? IMDB says Arthur Hailey wrote it, originally as a TV move
>called "Flight Into Danger".

Oh, my mistake, IMDB says that a TV movie called "Terror In the Sky" was
based on an Arthur Hailey novel called "Runway Zero 8". Evidently Hailey
went to the "flight crew incapacitated by food, passenger takes over" well
a LOT. He didn't write the screenplay for "Terror in the Sky" like he did
for "Flight Into Danger" and "Zero Hour", though.



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[John Theune]

Blanche wrote:
> Jewel of the Nile.
>
> Don't laugh! Last time I checked (which was when I was working at
> the F-16 factory in Ft. Worth), it was not possible to fire any
> weapons (particularly the machine guns) while the aircraft was
> on the ground.
>
> On the other hand, who can resist Danny DeVito and the Flying
> Karamazov Brothers?
>
Blanche;
When did you work there? I did some software work on mission planning
systems there back in the 80's and got to walk down the assemble line
and got shown the chicken gun range. A truly amazing place.
John

[Mxsmanic]

Paul Tomblin writes:

> Oh, my mistake, IMDB says that a TV movie called "Terror In the Sky" was
> based on an Arthur Hailey novel called "Runway Zero 8". Evidently Hailey
> went to the "flight crew incapacitated by food, passenger takes over" well
> a LOT. He didn't write the screenplay for "Terror in the Sky" like he did
> for "Flight Into Danger" and "Zero Hour", though.

As I recall, Hailey's _Airport_ was an excellent book, and quite accurate
(although very dated now--the aviation industry has changed a lot). The movie
by the same name was also very good, even if people make fun of it today, and
it was quite accurate technically as well.

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[tom418]

Hailey did write a book by the name "Runway zero eight". I don't recall the
name of the movie. I remember seeing the movie in the early seventies, on
TV. I don't think that the name of the movie and book were the same. It's
quite possible that the movie name is one that you mentioned.
"Paul Tomblin" > wrote in message
...
> In a previous article, "tom418" > said:
> >I'd have to put the TV movie based on Arthur Hailey's "Runway Zero Eight"
as
> >the worst movie. It's the classic two man crew gets food poisoning, and
the
> >hero pax saves the day by landing plane (Martin 404?) scenario.
>
> IMDB has never heard of a movie by that name. Are you sure you don't mean
> "Zero Hour"? IMDB says Arthur Hailey wrote it, originally as a TV move
> called "Flight Into Danger".
>
>
> --
> Paul Tomblin > http://blog.xcski.com/
> "Pilots are reminded to ensure that all surly bonds are slipped before
> attempting taxi or take-off"

[Don Tuite]

On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 20:06:07 +0000 (UTC),
(Paul Tomblin) wrote:

> . . . . Evidently Hailey
>went to the "flight crew incapacitated by food, passenger takes over" well
>a LOT.

Ever been one where the heroic Hobie sailor takes over the cruise
liner? With the number of mass episodes of gastric disturbances
taking place on cruises lately, it's only a matter of time before we
have one where the crew's kaopectate supply runs out and the only
passenger capable of bringing the Iowa City Princess into Santa Fe
harbor is the halal vegan who brought all his own food.

Don

[Bertie the Bunyip[_2_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Paul Tomblin writes:
>
>> Oh, my mistake, IMDB says that a TV movie called "Terror In the Sky"
>> was based on an Arthur Hailey novel called "Runway Zero 8".
>> Evidently Hailey went to the "flight crew incapacitated by food,
>> passenger takes over" well a LOT. He didn't write the screenplay for
>> "Terror in the Sky" like he did for "Flight Into Danger" and "Zero
>> Hour", though.
>
> As I recall, Hailey's _Airport_ was an excellent book, and quite
> accurate

How th e**** would you know? You don't know anything about aviation
djikkkwad.


Bertei

[Gregg Germain]

Jay Honeck wrote:


> This movie should have single-handedly ended Lou Gossetts' career, but
> -- inexplicably -- they actually made a SEQUEL to this dog! I will
> not see it.


Multiple Sequels:

# Iron Eagle II (1988)
# Aces: Iron Eagle III (1992)
# Iron Eagle IV (1995)

[Gregg Germain]

Jay Honeck wrote:

> We often talk about the BEST aviation movie here, but how 'bout the
> worst?


There was a movie that came out after the "Battle of Britain". I was
aggressively awful - spits for German planes; 109's for RAF planes.

I don't recall the name - which I consider to be a very good thing

[Darkwing]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
oups.com...
<SNIP>
>
> Anyone got any other "nominations" for WORST ever?
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>

Armageddon.

-----------------------------------------
DW

[Bob Noel]

In article >,
Orval Fairbairn > wrote:

> I would add all of the "Airport" movies to the candidates' list!

"Airport" movies are hilarious when first viewed after seeing "Airplane"

--
Bob Noel
(gave up looking for a particular sig the lawyer will hate)

[VE5JL]

The first two Airport movies were not too bad. However the third was
implausible and the 4th had JJ Walker in it and a commercial jet (CONcord)
that did aerobatics to avoid being shot down and then continued on with the
flight.

Iron Eagle (all of them) are the worst in my books. (Not that I've seen more
then five minutes of any of them.)


"Orval Fairbairn" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Matt Barrow" > wrote:
>
> > "Dan Luke" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > "Jay Honeck" wrote:
> > >
> > >> We often talk about the BEST aviation movie here, but how 'bout the
> > >> worst?
> > >
> > > I'd put "Pearl Harbor" up against anything for sheer Hollywood
stupidity.
> > > Sure, there have been plenty of crappy aviation B-movies made, but P H
was
> > > crappiness on a grand scale.
> >
> > Second that!!
> >
> > Even worse is having a teenaged daughter (Josh Harnett fan) that brought
it
> > home on DVD and played it several times.
>
> I would add all of the "Airport" movies to the candidates' list!

[vincent p. norris]

>We often talk about the BEST aviation movie here, but how 'bout the
>worst?

For the number of technical errors in a movie that PRETENDS TO BE
HISTORY, "Midway" is a strong contender!

The account of the battle, so far as I know, is accurate, but the
flying scenes are riddled with errors.

(But I must confess I've watched it over and over and over, anyway!)

vince norris

[ManhattanMan]

Jim Macklin wrote:
> I agree, IRON EAGLE is terrible, but a close second has to
> be the re-make of FLIGHT OF THE PHOENIX, at least as
> compared to the wonderful original with Jimmy Stewart, et
> al.
>

Agreed, Iron Eagle would be near impossible to top for stupidity, and Flight
of the Phoenix was an absolute insult to the original............

MnM (ex CRaSH:)

[Kev]

On Mar 28, 5:56 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> Mxsmanic > wrote :
> > As I recall, Hailey's _Airport_ was an excellent book, and quite
> > accurate

Yes, it was a good book. It and "Hotel" were big-time sellers.

> How th e**** would you know? You don't know anything about aviation
> djikkkwad.

Bertie, you make Mx look far more mature than you.

Kev

[Crash Lander[_1_]]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> We often talk about the BEST aviation movie here, but how 'bout the
> worst?

I reakon I have 2 candidates in the DVD cupboard at home. Can't think of the
titles right now, but I'll check tonight and let you know.
Ones about a 'smart' stealth fighter that flies itself, and obviously gets
wise to the fact it can think for itself, and then goes and tries to blow up
the enemy by itself.
The second one surprisingly has some well known actors in it, but really
stinks. Basic story was that a passenger plane is in trouble due to
hijackers, and needs to land on some island that has an army base on it. Our
hero shoots all the bad guys, saves the hot hostage, and has no choice but
to try and land the plane. It's stormy as all heck, and the runway isn't
long enough. The soldiers get out in the middle of the night and extend the
runway with a few bulldozers and the plane miraculously lands and all are
safe. I'll check out the titles and let you know.
Crash Lander

[Dave Doe]

In article . com>,
says...

>
> Anyone got any other "nominations" for WORST ever?

That one with Tom Cruise. Especially the bit where he goes upside down
against a MIG (or something) and gives the MIG pilot the finger.

Pathetic, is the word I'd describe the whole film. The kids seemed to
like it though.

--
Duncan

[Bertie the Bunyip[_2_]]

"Kev" > wrote in
oups.com:

> On Mar 28, 5:56 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> Mxsmanic > wrote
>> :
>> > As I recall, Hailey's _Airport_ was an excellent book, and quite
>> > accurate
>
> Yes, it was a good book. It and "Hotel" were big-time sellers.
>
>> How th e**** would you know? You don't know anything about aviation
>> djikkkwad.
>
> Bertie, you make Mx look far more mature than you.
>

Thank you. Sop few people "get" me.

Bertie

[John Galban]

On Mar 28, 8:33 am, Dylan Smith > wrote:
>
> Pearl Harbor is one thing. But I think Jay should show one particular
> aviation movie in his home cinema setup. It is the movie that is so bad
> it is good. It is in fact, the movie that they parodied in "Airplane".
>
> It's called "Zero Hour". The hero is even called Ted Striker. It's dead
> serious - but seen through the lens of "Airplane" it's something else.
> The closing sequence of the aircraft landing has to be the classic
> sequence of this movie. Also, be sure to watch the instrument panel when
> Ted Striker enters the flight deck for the first time ...
>

Awww you beat me to it! Airplane! is a scene for scene parody of
Zero Hour! Airplane! could not have been so good if Zero Hour! had
not been soooo bad. It's truly hilariously bad.

In a different vein, if you're looking for the worst, as in, "This
movie is so bad I can't watch it without gagging", I think I have a
candidate for you. It's a TV movie from 1996 called "Panic in the
Skies!". I just happened to catch a bit of this movie the other day
whilst channel surfing. It was obviously written by people that had
absolutely no clue about airplanes or flying. The situations in the
major plot twists are so ludicrous that even a beginning student pilot
would see right through them.

Initially, the entire crew of a 747 is killed when the plane is
struck by lightning (yeah, right). As the hapless passengers are
flying across the country on autopilot, the autopilot "picks up
signals" from small airports along the way and keeps trying to land
the 747 at GA airports. The main task of the passengers is to figure
out a way of avoiding overflying these airports, so that the autopilot
will quit acquiring the "signals" and trying to land them on
unsuitable runways. Oh yeah, and the government is considering
shooting down the 747, so it doesn't crash on helpless ground
dwellers.

It goes on and on like this for a couple of hours. Don't even get
me started on the VSI with the spinning needle that unwinds in a dive
like an altimeter.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0122202/plotsummary

John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)

[Kev]

On Mar 28, 8:33 pm, "John Galban" > wrote:
> In a different vein, if you're looking for the worst, as in, "This
> movie is so bad I can't watch it without gagging", I think I have a
> candidate for you. It's a TV movie from 1996 called "Panic in the
> Skies!". [...]
> Initially, the entire crew of a 747 is killed when the plane is
> struck by lightning (yeah, right). As the hapless passengers are
> flying across the country on autopilot, the autopilot "picks up
> signals" from small airports along the way and keeps trying to land
> the 747 at GA airports. [...]

Ouch, that _does_ sound bad. Okay, how about that recent one where
the airplane's trim (and throttle?) were stuck in an "up" position...
so they used a hose from an aerial tanker to fill the nose wheel well
with water (which froze into ice)... and when they got close to the
ground it melted and fell out when they dropped the nose gear. What
was that title? Awful !!!

Kev

[Blanche]

John:

I tried to send off-list email about the F16 factory, but verizon considers
my ISP to be non-existent. So for the rest of you, sorry...

Sorry, John, but I predate you to the late 70s. I spent 4 months
there managing a re-training program for people being "surplused"
into software development for GenDyn. They figured I was the best
person since I did lots of aerospace software...

The most fun (not) was my hotel room at the departure end of
the runway. At the time, the plant co-existed with the AF base
and B-52s were based there. 5:30am - 40-50 of those suckers took off.
I never had to set my alarm clock. On the down side, every
evening at 5:30 pm they'd come back, right over the pool where we
were all hanging out with our favorite libation....

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Kev" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Ouch, that _does_ sound bad. Okay, how about that recent one where
> the airplane's trim (and throttle?) were stuck in an "up" position...
> so they used a hose from an aerial tanker to fill the nose wheel well
> with water (which froze into ice)... and when they got close to the
> ground it melted and fell out when they dropped the nose gear. What
> was that title? Awful !!!
>

There was a real piece of crap made for TV about twenty years ago. As I
recall an HST evades a meteor shower by climbing, flies too high and
inadvertently enters orbit. I think Lee Majors was the pilot.

[Jim Logajan]

Bush > wrote:
> "Ceiling Zero" 1935 with James Cagney and Pat O'brian. Newark airport
> was still a grass field. Good stuff for that era.

Cagney and O'Brien also did "Devil Dogs of the Air".

Another Cagney aviation movie is "Captains of the Clouds" which I watched
in part when it was on cable a month or two ago. At first it was
interesting because Cagney and his partners begin the movie as Canadian
bush pilots. Eventually they join the military after Britain enters WWII.
But I didn't sit through it all because the plot was transparent as glass -
and the acting was bad, IMHO. Still, several people on Amazon gave the
movie positive reviews - yet "Devil Dogs" and "Ceiling Zero" got bad
reviews - which means they must have indeed been real reel dogs.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_2_]]

Jim Logajan > wrote in
:

> Bush > wrote:
>> "Ceiling Zero" 1935 with James Cagney and Pat O'brian. Newark airport
>> was still a grass field. Good stuff for that era.
>
> Cagney and O'Brien also did "Devil Dogs of the Air".
>
> Another Cagney aviation movie is "Captains of the Clouds" which I
> watched in part when it was on cable a month or two ago. At first it
> was interesting because Cagney and his partners begin the movie as
> Canadian bush pilots. Eventually they join the military after Britain
> enters WWII. But I didn't sit through it all because the plot was
> transparent as glass - and the acting was bad, IMHO. Still, several
> people on Amazon gave the movie positive reviews - yet "Devil Dogs"
> and "Ceiling Zero" got bad reviews - which means they must have indeed
> been real reel dogs.
>

Wel, the aviation movies from that era have to be looked at in an
historical light really. Most of them aren't very interesting to us
plotwise, and the special effects, of course, are crap, but if you put
yourself in the place of someone living through the adventure that was
the golden age of aviation and watch them through their eyes, well..

The later propaganda ones I find a litle less easy to take..

BTW, my vote for all time best would either be helldivers, Gable and
Beery, or Test Pilot, Gable, Tracy and Myrna Loy..
And I still like The High and the Mighty.. In fact the clip of Wayne
smacking Robert Stack in the mouth was used in my last CRM class!






Bertie

[Bush]

"Ceiling Zero" 1935 with James Cagney and Pat O'brian. Newark airport
was still a grass field. Good stuff for that era.

Have a great one!

Bush

On 28 Mar 2007 06:37:31 -0700, "Jay Honeck" >
wrote:

>We often talk about the BEST aviation movie here, but how 'bout the
>worst?
>
>Having spent nearly a year of my life showing aviation movies every
>Tuesday night in our theater at the hotel, I am in a somewhat unique
>position to comment on this. I've seen over 50 aviation movies in a
>row, and can lend some perspective.
>
>Many of the early aviation movies were saddled with the stilted acting
>styles that followed the introduction of "talkies" in the 1920s/30s,
>so you have to take some of them with a grain of salt.
>
>An example is Howard Hughes' "Hells Angels", which is full of nice
>flying scenes and some truly terrible acting. It's like they didn't
>know how to write dialogue, yet -- which was okay, cuz the actors
>didn't know how to deliver it.
>
>Re: John Wayne. Having seen all of his aviation flicks now, it's easy
>to see where John Wayne got his reputation for being one-dimensional.
>Every aviation movie he starred in (with the notable exception of the
>"Island in the Sky" -- read about it here: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0045919/
>) has the same plot, and he played the same character. Many are quite
>awful, although the WWII flying scenes are often quite good.
>
>But after last night I can honestly say that the award for worst
>aviation movie EVER made goes to "Iron Eagle" -- the 1986 movie that
>was the Air Forces's quick answer to the success of "Top Gun".
>
>By God, it's awful. The story line (Synopsis: A teenager and a
>Colonol steal two F-16s, fly half-way around the world, destroy a
>Saddam-look-alike's air force, and then LAND on the runway they just
>destroyed to rescue the teenager's father from certain death), the
>acting, the flying scenes, the combat scenes (astoundingly bad, with
>missiles that fly at light-speed), even the credits are just
>TERRIBLE.
>
>This movie should have single-handedly ended Lou Gossetts' career, but
>-- inexplicably -- they actually made a SEQUEL to this dog! I will
>not see it.
>
>We showed it last night at Movie Night, and the comments ranged from
>"Thank God we didn't pay anything to *that*" to "I need another
>beer." The scenes where targets on the ground -- like a water tower
>on stilts -- blow up with near-nuclear force after just a few machine
>gun hits were especially well derided...
>
>Although Move Night is always just an excuse to get together and
>hangar fly and fly the Kiwi flight simulator, this was so truly
>terrible that it 'bout killed us.
>
>Anyone got any other "nominations" for WORST ever?

[Ron Wanttaja]

On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 19:07:04 -0500, vincent p. norris > wrote:

>>We often talk about the BEST aviation movie here, but how 'bout the
>>worst?
>
>For the number of technical errors in a movie that PRETENDS TO BE
>HISTORY, "Midway" is a strong contender!
>
>The account of the battle, so far as I know, is accurate, but the
>flying scenes are riddled with errors.

The errors are due, I believe, to the complete lack of any new flying scenes
shot for the movie. All the action scenes are from actual footage or other
movies. Hence, they don't match the real case very often, and you'll see a
character's plane magically change markings or even types.

Ron Wanttaja

[Aviv Hod]

> Anyone got any other "nominations" for WORST ever?
> --

How about "The Langoliers", not just for the aviation content but for
altogether low production value, plot, and acting. It's a terrible made
for TV movie adaptation of a Stephen King story.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112040/

"A blind girl, a teacher, a machine worker, a musician, a stoner, a
mystery writer, a businessman, a mysterious Englishman, and a raving
psychopath in a business suit on a flight to Boston find themselves
utterly alone when the rest of the passengers and all of the crew
vanish. Diverting the plane to Bangor, Maine, they discover that they
seem to be the only people left on the planet, and that time and the
Langoliers are catching up with them all too quickly..."

-Aviv

[Ron Wanttaja]

On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 01:30:53 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
> wrote:

>
>"Kev" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>>
>> Ouch, that _does_ sound bad. Okay, how about that recent one where
>> the airplane's trim (and throttle?) were stuck in an "up" position...
>> so they used a hose from an aerial tanker to fill the nose wheel well
>> with water (which froze into ice)... and when they got close to the
>> ground it melted and fell out when they dropped the nose gear. What
>> was that title? Awful !!!
>>
>
>There was a real piece of crap made for TV about twenty years ago. As I
>recall an HST evades a meteor shower by climbing, flies too high and
>inadvertently enters orbit. I think Lee Majors was the pilot.

"Starflight: The Plane That Couldn't Land"

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086357/

The sorry thing is, I actually *remembered* the title....

Ron Wanttaja

[Crash Lander[_1_]]

"Aviv Hod" > wrote in message
...
> How about "The Langoliers", not just for the aviation content but for
> altogether low production value, plot, and acting. It's a terrible made
> for TV movie adaptation of a Stephen King story.
>
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112040/
>
> "A blind girl, a teacher, a machine worker, a musician, a stoner, a
> mystery writer, a businessman, a mysterious Englishman, and a raving
> psychopath in a business suit on a flight to Boston find themselves
> utterly alone when the rest of the passengers and all of the crew vanish.
> Diverting the plane to Bangor, Maine, they discover that they seem to be
> the only people left on the planet, and that time and the Langoliers are
> catching up with them all too quickly..."
>
> -Aviv

Ah yes! I do remember seeing that many years ago! Seem to remember I thought
it was pretty good back then! LOL! Thinking back now though, it was pretty
pathetic.
Crash Lander

[Ron Wanttaja]

On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:41:54 -0700, "Matt Barrow" >
wrote:

>
>"Dan Luke" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> "Jay Honeck" wrote:
>>
>>> We often talk about the BEST aviation movie here, but how 'bout the
>>> worst?
>>
>> I'd put "Pearl Harbor" up against anything for sheer Hollywood stupidity.
>> Sure, there have been plenty of crappy aviation B-movies made, but P H was
>> crappiness on a grand scale.
>
>Even worse is having a teenaged daughter (Josh Harnett fan) that brought it
>home on DVD and played it several times.

A few years back I worked for a dot-com in the TV industry. I worked a booth at
Las Vegas at a National Association of Broadcasters convention. This was right
after Phew! Harbor came out on DVD. Many of the big display booths had their
huge-screen TVs set up playing that movie, with huge speakers, zillion-watt
amps, and all.

Our booth? We were playing "The Princess Bride."

Seemed to me that we had more people hanging around us...and many of the people
just walking by would glance at the screen, double-take, then grin. Actually
had a couple of people thank us.

As for the worst aviation movie, one really has to split it into two categories:
Worst Movie with an Aviation Theme, and Worst Depiction of Aviation.

Phew! Harbor and Hell's Angels fit into the first category...though I only saw
PH the once, flying was really secondary to a really, really, bad plot. I don't
recall any outright groaners about the flying itself, although it has been years
and years. Hell's Angels' flying scenes are good, it's just very idiotic plot
with actors trained in the silent era (and a movie re-shot in sound).

In the latter category is "Iron Eagle." The aviation just plain, PLAIN bad. I
still remember the slow-crawl of the phase 'Bail Out' across an LED display when
one of the F-16s was hit.

But I think we're going to find that the flying scenes will be getting worse.
Back in the old days, they had to (for the most part) fly actual airplanes
through the maneuvers required. This meant there were pilots involved in SOME
aspect of the production.

With CGI, though...they don't need flying expertise, anymore. Just some nerd
with a computer who thinks he knows all about flying.

(Hey, WAIT a minute.... :-)

Anyway, my vote for worst-flying-movie-of-all-time: Iron Eagle. Iron Eagle II
was just as bad, but had the benefit of some nice flying scenes of the Rutan
Ares.

Ron Wanttaja

[Jay Honeck]

> Didn't you like the scene where they were racing a C152 against a dirtbike?
> Watch the flaps on the 152. Must be go fast devices for movie airplanes,
> they seem to use them more than the rest of us when they want to go really
> fast.

Actually, that 152 in the canyon race was the ONLY good part of the
movie -- but we all had a hearty laugh when our hero was coming down
to the wire, straining for every last knot from his mighty 152 -- with
full flaps deployed!

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> I reakon I have 2 candidates in the DVD cupboard at home. Can't think of the
> titles right now, but I'll check tonight and let you know.
> Ones about a 'smart' stealth fighter that flies itself, and obviously gets
> wise to the fact it can think for itself, and then goes and tries to blow up
> the enemy by itself.

That's called "Stealth" -- and (unfortunately) it's on our schedule
for Movie Night in April...

I actually paid to see it at the theater, and have felt unworthy ever
since.

:-(
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Crash Lander[_1_]]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> That's called "Stealth" -- and (unfortunately) it's on our schedule
> for Movie Night in April...
>
> I actually paid to see it at the theater, and have felt unworthy ever
> since.
>
> :-(
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

That's the one! Boy was that bad, but I reakon the second one I described is
worse.
Crash Lander

[Jose]

> Diverting the plane to Bangor, Maine, they discover that they seem to be the only people left on the planet, and that time and the Langoliers are catching up with them all too quickly..."

"Look, it's the new people!"

Jose
--
Get high on gasoline: fly an airplane.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[Mxsmanic]

John Galban writes:

> It goes on and on like this for a couple of hours. Don't even get
> me started on the VSI with the spinning needle that unwinds in a dive
> like an altimeter.
>
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0122202/plotsummary

There's an extended review here:

http://www.airodyssey.net/articles/movie-panic.html

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

[Bob Noel]

In article om>,
"Jay Honeck" > wrote:

> That's called "Stealth" -- and (unfortunately) it's on our schedule
> for Movie Night in April...

take it off the schedule. dead air would be better

--
Bob Noel
(gave up looking for a particular sig the lawyer will hate)

[Oz Lander[_2_]]

Jay Honeck wrote:

> > I reakon I have 2 candidates in the DVD cupboard at home. Can't
> > think of the titles right now, but I'll check tonight and let you
> > know. Ones about a 'smart' stealth fighter that flies itself, and
> > obviously gets wise to the fact it can think for itself, and then
> > goes and tries to blow up the enemy by itself.
>
> That's called "Stealth" -- and (unfortunately) it's on our schedule
> for Movie Night in April...
>
> I actually paid to see it at the theater, and have felt unworthy ever
> since.
>
> :-(

The other movie I described is a film from 1995 called "Crash Landing",
and no, I didn't create my nick name after watching it! :-)
It is really a crap movie.

--
Oz Lander.
I'm not always right,
But I'm never wrong.

[John Theune]

Blanche wrote:
> John:
>
> I tried to send off-list email about the F16 factory, but verizon considers
> my ISP to be non-existent. So for the rest of you, sorry...
>
> Sorry, John, but I predate you to the late 70s. I spent 4 months
> there managing a re-training program for people being "surplused"
> into software development for GenDyn. They figured I was the best
> person since I did lots of aerospace software...
>
> The most fun (not) was my hotel room at the departure end of
> the runway. At the time, the plant co-existed with the AF base
> and B-52s were based there. 5:30am - 40-50 of those suckers took off.
> I never had to set my alarm clock. On the down side, every
> evening at 5:30 pm they'd come back, right over the pool where we
> were all hanging out with our favorite libation....
>
Would that be the White House motel? I remember the B52s taking off and
rumbling things mightily.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_2_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> John Galban writes:
>
>> It goes on and on like this for a couple of hours. Don't even get
>> me started on the VSI with the spinning needle that unwinds in a dive
>> like an altimeter.
>>
>> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0122202/plotsummary
>
> There's an extended review here:
>
> http://www.airodyssey.net/articles/movie-panic.html
>

Oh how useful. So i don't have to think.


bertie

[John[_9_]]

On Mar 28, 9:37 am, "Jay Honeck" > wrote:
> We often talk about the BEST aviation movie here, but how 'bout the
> worst?
>
> Having spent nearly a year of my life showing aviation movies every
> Tuesday night in our theater at the hotel, I am in a somewhat unique
> position to comment on this. I've seen over 50 aviation movies in a
> row, and can lend some perspective.
>
> Many of the early aviation movies were saddled with the stilted acting
> styles that followed the introduction of "talkies" in the 1920s/30s,
> so you have to take some of them with a grain of salt.
>
> An example is Howard Hughes' "Hells Angels", which is full of nice
> flying scenes and some truly terrible acting. It's like they didn't
> know how to write dialogue, yet -- which was okay, cuz the actors
> didn't know how to deliver it.
>
> Re: John Wayne. Having seen all of his aviation flicks now, it's easy
> to see where John Wayne got his reputation for being one-dimensional.
> Every aviation movie he starred in (with the notable exception of the
> "Island in the Sky" -- read about it here:http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0045919/
> ) has the same plot, and he played the same character. Many are quite
> awful, although the WWII flying scenes are often quite good.
>
> But after last night I can honestly say that the award for worst
> aviation movie EVER made goes to "Iron Eagle" -- the 1986 movie that
> was the Air Forces's quick answer to the success of "Top Gun".
>
> By God, it's awful. The story line (Synopsis: A teenager and a
> Colonol steal two F-16s, fly half-way around the world, destroy a
> Saddam-look-alike's air force, and then LAND on the runway they just
> destroyed to rescue the teenager's father from certain death), the
> acting, the flying scenes, the combat scenes (astoundingly bad, with
> missiles that fly at light-speed), even the credits are just
> TERRIBLE.
>
> This movie should have single-handedly ended Lou Gossetts' career, but
> -- inexplicably -- they actually made a SEQUEL to this dog! I will
> not see it.
>
> We showed it last night at Movie Night, and the comments ranged from
> "Thank God we didn't pay anything to *that*" to "I need another
> beer." The scenes where targets on the ground -- like a water tower
> on stilts -- blow up with near-nuclear force after just a few machine
> gun hits were especially well derided...
>
> Although Move Night is always just an excuse to get together and
> hangar fly and fly the Kiwi flight simulator, this was so truly
> terrible that it 'bout killed us.
>
> Anyone got any other "nominations" for WORST ever?
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

I understand how retched Pearl Harbor but it could be seen as more of
a war film than an aviation film as could Iron Eagle. For me the
absolute worst aviation film is the execrable Cloud Dancers, David
Carradine at the height of his personal excess, Jennifer O'Neil and
Timothy Bottoms. I remember hearing about the making of it from
various aviation magazines and then never saw it come to a theater.
Years later I sat through it at Oshkosh. The only good thing about it
was some touching scenes with Carradine's character and two
developmentally disabled siblings. God knows why that was even in the
plot. Sure the flying scenes were great, what with the Christen
Eagles etc. but in every other way it stank.

Second up is Jet Pilot the Howard Hughes extravaganza with John Wayne
and that blonde from Psycho. I remember watching its broadcast debut
years after Howard's death. Beautiful shots of airplanes but I got so
bored I went for a mile walk in the middle of the movie and came back
to find the plot had not advanced one iota.

John Dupre'

[Gig 601XL Builder]

I'm going to add another catagory to this collection. Movies that should
have been the worst but really, weren't that bad.

Snakes on a Plane.

[Marco Leon]

"Dave Doe" > wrote in message
> That one with Tom Cruise. Especially the bit where he goes upside down
> against a MIG (or something) and gives the MIG pilot the finger.
>
> Pathetic, is the word I'd describe the whole film. The kids seemed to
> like it though.

Hollywood-izing aside, that movie did more for military aviation than any
other movie ever and ever will. A couple of the current Thunderbird pilots
openly confess that watching that movie compelled them to look into military
aviation.

Marco

[Ron Wanttaja]

On 29 Mar 2007 05:56:26 -0700, "John" > wrote:

>Second up is Jet Pilot the Howard Hughes extravaganza with John Wayne
>and that blonde from Psycho. I remember watching its broadcast debut
>years after Howard's death. Beautiful shots of airplanes but I got so
>bored I went for a mile walk in the middle of the movie and came back
>to find the plot had not advanced one iota.

If you walked back to the theater right now, you'd find it's STILL true. :-)

You pointed out the compensating byproduct of Jet Pilot, the fact that it still
has some absolutely beautiful footage of '50s jets. This compensation applies
to many of the older "bad" movies...the film may stink, but if they used real
airplanes, the run-of-the-mill plane back then is a classic today.

Ron Wanttaja

[Jay Honeck]

> Hollywood-izing aside, that movie did more for military aviation than any
> other movie ever and ever will. A couple of the current Thunderbird pilots
> openly confess that watching that movie compelled them to look into military
> aviation.

"Top Gun" was a great influence on many of the pilots I meet, myself
included.

Although I had always wanted to fly, the flying scenes in that movie
really got into my psyche. It took another 8 years after it came out
for me to put together the "learn-to-fly" puzzle, but I never forgot
it.

I confess: I still love that movie. I've probably watched it 40
times, in various settings. I'd watch it again today. That F-14
footage is simply great.

Compared to "Iron Eagle", "Top Gun" is a true classic. Of course,
compared to "Iron Eagle", "Dumb & Dumber" is a classic...

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> And I still like The High and the Mighty.. In fact the clip of Wayne
> smacking Robert Stack in the mouth was used in my last CRM class!

That should win the all-time award for "Most Inadvertently Hilarious
Scene".

What makes it great is that they are all deadly serious. Wayne is
almost dead-pan, in a very Leslie Nielsen way, while he's dope-
slapping Stack!

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> I'm going to add another catagory to this collection. Movies that should
> have been the worst but really, weren't that bad.
>
> Snakes on a Plane.

I've debated showing "Snakes on a Plane" on "Movie Night", but
"Flightplan" -- a pretty good movie, starring the always-good Jodie
Foster -- was panned by our audience as not being a "real" aviation
flick.

In other words, there's got to be flying in the movie -- real flying,
not just sitting inside an airliner -- or the crowd gets restless.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> Second up is Jet Pilot the Howard Hughes extravaganza with John Wayne
> and that blonde from Psycho. I remember watching its broadcast debut
> years after Howard's death. Beautiful shots of airplanes but I got so
> bored I went for a mile walk in the middle of the movie and came back
> to find the plot had not advanced one iota.


Jet Pilot is on our Movie Night schedule in April. I've heard it has
the best flying footage of the 1950s -- and that's all it takes to
keep our crowd happy. The plot is entirely secondary to the flying,
the airplanes, the simulator, and the camaraderie.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[John Mazor[_2_]]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>> And I still like The High and the Mighty.. In fact the
>> clip of Wayne
>> smacking Robert Stack in the mouth was used in my last
>> CRM class!
>
> That should win the all-time award for "Most Inadvertently
> Hilarious
> Scene".
>
> What makes it great is that they are all deadly serious.
> Wayne is
> almost dead-pan, in a very Leslie Nielsen way, while he's
> dope-
> slapping Stack!

Anybody got a link to that scene? I could have used it on
occasion.

[Jay B]

One interesting sidebar for "Iron Eagles" is that (approx) 95% of the
air to air scenes were done with 1/6 scale R/C models photographed
from a helo.

I happend to see two of the F16 models (beautifuly built, BTW) on
display at a hobby expo about a year after IE was released.

Carry On...

Jay B

[Jay B]

More to the point:

"High Road to China"

Jay B

[Bertie the Bunyip[_2_]]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in news:1175180601.824480.314510
@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:

>> And I still like The High and the Mighty.. In fact the clip of Wayne
>> smacking Robert Stack in the mouth was used in my last CRM class!
>
> That should win the all-time award for "Most Inadvertently Hilarious
> Scene".
>
> What makes it great is that they are all deadly serious. Wayne is
> almost dead-pan, in a very Leslie Nielsen way, while he's dope-
> slapping Stack!

Yes, though I think the CRM class was split on whehter this was a
positive or negative example of good CRM. Depends on the situation, I
guess.
The thing I remember best about that movie, having seen it as a kid, is
when the nav leans over and tells the captain that they've just "passed
the point of no return". dhunh dhunh dhuuuunh!

Wasn't til years later when I actually learned what PNR meant....


Bertie

[John Clear]

In article om>,
Jay Honeck > wrote:
>
>I've debated showing "Snakes on a Plane" on "Movie Night", but
>"Flightplan" -- a pretty good movie, starring the always-good Jodie
>Foster -- was panned by our audience as not being a "real" aviation
>flick.
>
>In other words, there's got to be flying in the movie -- real flying,
>not just sitting inside an airliner -- or the crowd gets restless.

Snakes on a Plane is one of those movies that is so bad, it is
good. As a movie, it was completely awful. It has every cliche in
the book (flight attendant on her last flight, the kid, the pregnant
lady, the annoying rich guy, etc). But it is a wonderfully awful
movie.

When I saw it, they had a South Pacific Airlines flight attendant
handing out safety briefing cards (both small cards and posters)
of what to do in the event of snakes on a plane.
http://shop.newline.com/cat/Exclusive-Snakes-on-a-Plane-Safety-Card-Poster.html

The other fun thing the theater did was throw rubber snakes at the
audience at various points in the movie.

John
--
John Clear - http://www.clear-prop.org/

[Gig 601XL Builder]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>> I'm going to add another catagory to this collection. Movies that
>> should have been the worst but really, weren't that bad.
>>
>> Snakes on a Plane.
>
> I've debated showing "Snakes on a Plane" on "Movie Night", but
> "Flightplan" -- a pretty good movie, starring the always-good Jodie
> Foster -- was panned by our audience as not being a "real" aviation
> flick.
>
> In other words, there's got to be flying in the movie -- real flying,
> not just sitting inside an airliner -- or the crowd gets restless.

I understand and there is some cockpit footage in "Snakes on a Plane." What
makes up for the lack of more cockpit footage is what may be the best line
ever spoken in a movie.

[Gig 601XL Builder]

John Clear wrote:
> In article om>,
> Jay Honeck > wrote:
>>
>> I've debated showing "Snakes on a Plane" on "Movie Night", but
>> "Flightplan" -- a pretty good movie, starring the always-good Jodie
>> Foster -- was panned by our audience as not being a "real" aviation
>> flick.
>>
>> In other words, there's got to be flying in the movie -- real flying,
>> not just sitting inside an airliner -- or the crowd gets restless.
>
> Snakes on a Plane is one of those movies that is so bad, it is
> good. As a movie, it was completely awful. It has every cliche in
> the book (flight attendant on her last flight, the kid, the pregnant
> lady, the annoying rich guy, etc). But it is a wonderfully awful
> movie.
>
> When I saw it, they had a South Pacific Airlines flight attendant
> handing out safety briefing cards (both small cards and posters)
> of what to do in the event of snakes on a plane.
> http://shop.newline.com/cat/Exclusive-Snakes-on-a-Plane-Safety-Card-
> Poster.html
>
> The other fun thing the theater did was throw rubber snakes at the
> audience at various points in the movie.
>


You nailed it. It was pure escapist fun. The fact that they didn't even
change the title from what was originally just a working title and never
intended for public consumption just added to the fun because no one should
have walked into that film thinking they were going to see anything other
than Samuel L Jackson fighting snakes on an airplane.

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrote

> I understand and there is some cockpit footage in "Snakes on a Plane."
> What makes up for the lack of more cockpit footage is what may be the best
> line ever spoken in a movie.

And that line is? :-)
--
Jim in NC

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, "John Mazor" > said:
>"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>>> And I still like The High and the Mighty.. In fact the
>>> clip of Wayne
>>> smacking Robert Stack in the mouth was used in my last
>>> CRM class!
>Anybody got a link to that scene? I could have used it on
>occasion.

It used to be on Rod Machado's web site.


--
Paul Tomblin > http://blog.xcski.com/
>SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue > 0
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[Borat]

"Gregg Germain" > wrote in message
...
> Jay Honeck wrote:
>
>> We often talk about the BEST aviation movie here, but how 'bout the
>> worst?

any film with Steven Segal
and Apollo 13

[Gig 601XL Builder]

Morgans wrote:
> "Gig 601XL Builder" wrote
>
>> I understand and there is some cockpit footage in "Snakes on a
>> Plane." What makes up for the lack of more cockpit footage is what
>> may be the best line ever spoken in a movie.
>
> And that line is? :-)


I can't possibly do justice to Mr. Jackson's line so here is an 18 second
clip of th eline on You Tube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAQeQMyZeeI

[Marty Shapiro]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in
ups.com:

>> I'm going to add another catagory to this collection. Movies that should

>
> In other words, there's got to be flying in the movie -- real flying,
> not just sitting inside an airliner -- or the crowd gets restless.
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>

Jay -

If your crowd doesn't care about plot and just wants good flying
sequences, have you looked into the "Rolling in the Sky" series? They are
about 60 minutes each and each features a flight demonstration team - Blue
Angels, Asas de Portugal, Frecce Tricolori, Snowbirds, etc. The Blue Angel
one has one sequence taken from a camera mounted on the belly of the
aircraft while it goes through various manouevers.

Another video is "Pulling G's". It has some neat sequences such as a
U-2 flying in formation with an SR-71 and some cockpit videos of the
Vermont ANG in mock combat.

--
Marty Shapiro
Silicon Rallye Inc.

(remove SPAMNOT to email me)

[Frank....H[_2_]]

Jay Honeck wrote:

<snip>
>
> Anyone got any other "nominations" for WORST ever?

Firebirds.

(It's helicopters, not fixed wing.) Apparently they paid Nicholas Cage so
much they didn't have anything left for writers or expert advisers.

--
Frank....H

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, said:
>Jay Honeck wrote:
>
><snip>
>>
>> Anyone got any other "nominations" for WORST ever?
>
>Firebirds.
>
>(It's helicopters, not fixed wing.) Apparently they paid Nicholas Cage so
>much they didn't have anything left for writers or expert advisers.
>

Is that the one where they pull a Stinger off an Apache and use it as a
MANPAD with no tools or equipment other than what they carry on the
Apache?


--
Paul Tomblin > http://blog.xcski.com/
"I have a step-ladder. It's a very nice ladder and all, but I wish I had
the chance to get to know my real ladder." - Paula Poundstone

[Jay B]

On Mar 29, 11:29 am, (Paul Tomblin) wrote:
> In a previous article, said:
>
> >Jay Honeck wrote:
>
> ><snip>
>
> >> Anyone got any other "nominations" for WORST ever?
>
> >Firebirds.
>
> >(It's helicopters, not fixed wing.) Apparently they paid Nicholas Cage so
> >much they didn't have anything left for writers or expert advisers.
>
> Is that the one where they pull a Stinger off an Apache and use it as a
> MANPAD with no tools or equipment other than what they carry on the
> Apache?
>
> --
> Paul Tomblin /

Yup, that would be the one.

Jay B

[[email protected]]

On Mar 28, 8:56 am, "Kev" > wrote:
> Die Hard 2 is a contender for worst, IMO.
>
> 1) Airplane blindly follows ILS to below runway level and crashes
[etc]

.....OTOH, catch the wingtip vortices when the airliner flies through
the smoke!
Only time I've ever seen those things - on film or elsewhere. Yes,
they
do exist. "Caution Wake Turbulence"

- Jerry Kaidor

[Montblack]

("Jay B" wrote)
> More to the point:
>
> "High Road to China"


This might be sacrilege to some, but here goes...

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118571/
Air Force One (1997)

It was like watching Pay It Forward (2000) ...I didn't care!

Air Force One needed to either tighten up or loosen up. Pick one. What I saw
up on the screen was neither, and as a result, was nonsense. IMHO.

"Honey, would you mind walking over here with that machine gun you're
holding and shoot this fellow? Yes, the guy who's trying to push me out of
the back of the plane. Thanks Pookie."

Watching it didn't give me the sense that the movie was anybody's labor of
love (special effects) (writing) (cinematography) (acting) ...zip. There was
no safe harbor watching the thing.

....<wait for it>....

Sitting through two hours of Air Force One felt like the project was pounded
out in a series of top level production, marketing and accounting meetings -
from concept to DVD. Yes, that is what I'm saying; it had the look of a
movie made by ...."Executive Decision (1996)." <g>

....<what?>

Air Force One: maybe not the Worst Aviation Movie of All Time, but a pretty
big disappointment.


Montblack

[Montblack]

("Jay Honeck" wrote)
> We often talk about the BEST aviation movie here, but how 'bout the worst?


This might be sacrilege to some, but here goes...

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118571/
Air Force One (1997)

It was like watching Pay It Forward (2000) ...I didn't care!

Air Force One needed to either tighten up or loosen up. Pick one. What I saw
up on the screen was neither, and as a result, was nonsense. IMHO.

"Honey, would you mind walking over here with that machine gun you're
holding and shoot this fellow? Yes, the guy who's trying to push me out of
the back of the plane. Thanks Pookie."

Watching it didn't give me the sense that the movie was anybody's labor of
love (special effects) (writing) (cinematography) (acting) ...zip. There was
no safe harbor watching the thing.

....<wait for it>....

Sitting through two hours of Air Force One (1997) felt like the project was
pounded out in a series of top level production, marketing and accounting
meetings - from concept to DVD. Yes, that is what I'm saying; it had the
look of a movie made by ...."Executive Decision (1996)." <g>

....<what?>

Air Force One: maybe not the Worst Aviation Movie of All Time, but a pretty
big disappointment.


Montblack

[Montblack]

wrote)
>> Die Hard 2 is a contender for worst, IMO.

> ....OTOH, catch the wingtip vortices when the airliner flies through the
> smoke!
> Only time I've ever seen those things - on film or elsewhere. Yes, they
> do exist. "Caution Wake Turbulence"


My sister went to see Die Hard 2. At one point in the action she couldn't
take it any longer and blurted out, "For crying out loud, how long is that
runway????"

If you've seen the movie (and the fight sceen on top of the wing) you know
what I'm talking about.


Montblack

[Gig 601XL Builder]

wrote:
> On Mar 28, 8:56 am, "Kev" > wrote:
>> Die Hard 2 is a contender for worst, IMO.
>>
>> 1) Airplane blindly follows ILS to below runway level and crashes
> [etc]
>
> ....OTOH, catch the wingtip vortices when the airliner flies through
> the smoke!
> Only time I've ever seen those things - on film or elsewhere. Yes,
> they
> do exist. "Caution Wake Turbulence"
>
> - Jerry Kaidor

You like seeing Wake Tubulence on film? Then you need to watch "Pushing
Tin."

[John Theune]

Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
> Morgans wrote:
>> "Gig 601XL Builder" wrote
>>
>>> I understand and there is some cockpit footage in "Snakes on a
>>> Plane." What makes up for the lack of more cockpit footage is what
>>> may be the best line ever spoken in a movie.
>> And that line is? :-)
>
>
> I can't possibly do justice to Mr. Jackson's line so here is an 18 second
> clip of th eline on You Tube.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAQeQMyZeeI
>
>
Your right, it truly is a classic.

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Borat" > wrote

> and Apollo 13

Apollo 13 still puts me on the edge of my seat....
And I _KNOW_ how it is going to turn out! <g>

It is on my top ten list.
--
Jim in NC

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrote

> I can't possibly do justice to Mr. Jackson's line so here is an 18 second
> clip of th eline on You Tube.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAQeQMyZeeI

<chuckle> I think I'm sorry I asked! <g>
--
Jim in NC

[[email protected]]

On Mar 29, 10:03 am, "Jay Honeck" > wrote:
> almost dead-pan, in a very Leslie Nielsen way, while he's dope-

As a trivial aside, did you know that Leslie Nielsen was a WWII
RCAF air gunner (bomber crew)?

They get him out to RCAF reunions whenever they can, for the
obvious reasons, rick

[Mxsmanic]

Morgans writes:

> Apollo 13 still puts me on the edge of my seat....
> And I _KNOW_ how it is going to turn out! <g>

Apollo 13 is mostly a true story. While some details are exaggerated or
incorrect, there are other details from the real flight that were even more
harrowing than the film. It's one of my favorite movies. I like the music,
too.

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

[Gig 601XL Builder]

Morgans wrote:
> "Gig 601XL Builder" wrote
>
>> I can't possibly do justice to Mr. Jackson's line so here is an 18
>> second clip of th eline on You Tube.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAQeQMyZeeI
>
> <chuckle> I think I'm sorry I asked! <g>

Did you watch the video clip?

[Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe]

"John Mazor" > wrote in message
news:fTQOh.61669$vI1.26664@trnddc02...
> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>>> And I still like The High and the Mighty.. In fact the clip of Wayne
>>> smacking Robert Stack in the mouth was used in my last CRM class!
>>
<...>
> Anybody got a link to that scene? I could have used it on occasion.
>


http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/2006-2-25_TheHighTheMighty.wmv

--
Geoff
The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com
remove spaces and make the obvious substitutions to reply by mail
When immigration is outlawed, only outlaws will immigrate.

[Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe]

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Borat" > wrote
>
>> and Apollo 13
>
> Apollo 13 still puts me on the edge of my seat....
> And I _KNOW_ how it is going to turn out! <g>
>
> It is on my top ten list.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOyQ3nTDgCs

--
Geoff
The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com
remove spaces and make the obvious substitutions to reply by mail
When immigration is outlawed, only outlaws will immigrate.

[John Mazor[_2_]]

Just what the doctor ordered! Thanks.

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
.130...
> "John Mazor" > wrote in
> news:fTQOh.61669$vI1.26664
> @trnddc02:
>
>> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
>> oups.com...
>>>> And I still like The High and the Mighty.. In fact the
>>>> clip of Wayne
>>>> smacking Robert Stack in the mouth was used in my last
>>>> CRM class!
>>>
>>> That should win the all-time award for "Most
>>> Inadvertently
>>> Hilarious
>>> Scene".
>>>
>>> What makes it great is that they are all deadly serious.
>>> Wayne is
>>> almost dead-pan, in a very Leslie Nielsen way, while
>>> he's
>>> dope-
>>> slapping Stack!
>>
>> Anybody got a link to that scene? I could have used it
>> on
>> occasion.
>
> I'll send you my clip of it, suitable modified to be used
> as an
> instructional aid.
>
> Bertie

[Rob]

On Mar 28, 5:28 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> Thank you. Sop few people "get" me.

You mean because of the killfiles?

(ducking)

-R

[Bob Gardner]

I can't remember the movie, but either Bruce Willis or Sly Stallone was
hanging out of the door of a jet (in flight, natch) by one hand while the
smoke from the burning engine behind him was being blown forward. Neat trick
if you can pull it off. Gives relative wind a whole new meaning.

Bob Gardner

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>> And I still like The High and the Mighty.. In fact the clip of Wayne
>> smacking Robert Stack in the mouth was used in my last CRM class!
>
> That should win the all-time award for "Most Inadvertently Hilarious
> Scene".
>
> What makes it great is that they are all deadly serious. Wayne is
> almost dead-pan, in a very Leslie Nielsen way, while he's dope-
> slapping Stack!
>
> :-)
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
>

[Bertie the Bunyip[_2_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Morgans writes:
>
>> Apollo 13 still puts me on the edge of my seat....
>> And I _KNOW_ how it is going to turn out! <g>
>
> Apollo 13 is mostly a true story. While some details are exaggerated
> or incorrect, there are other details from the real flight that were
> even more harrowing than the film. It's one of my favorite movies. I
> like the music, too.

And more to the point, you can watch it without flying, eh?


Bertie

[Dan Luke]

"John" wrote:

> Second up is Jet Pilot

Oooohh, good pick! A real Suck-O-Rama production.

Even as an airplane-mad little kid, I groaned at this one. I remember being
mad that I wasted my movie money on it.

--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

[Jay Honeck]

> As a trivial aside, did you know that Leslie Nielsen was a WWII
> RCAF air gunner (bomber crew)?
>
> They get him out to RCAF reunions whenever they can, for the
> obvious reasons, rick

Crikey! Can you imagine going to a reunion with him? It would be
like drinking with Jim Carrey, I suspect...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> If your crowd doesn't care about plot and just wants good flying
> sequences, have you looked into the "Rolling in the Sky" series?

Ya know, it's a funny thing about "Movie Night". I tried showing some
of those niche videos (Blue Angels, Thunderbirds, SR-71, Thunderbolt
training films, etc.), and they were met with mild interest but also
an air of disappointment. I even tried showing them as part of a
double feature, but the Kiwi flight simulator has proven to be WAY too
popular.

When we show a Hollywood aviation film -- even a BAD one -- the crowd
seems more content. (And when I say "crowd" I mean anywhere from 8 to
40 people -- we're not talking a seething mass of humanity here.)
Those documentary-type videos are just not well received, for some
reason. (I really like them!)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> If your crowd doesn't care about plot and just wants good flying
> sequences, have you looked into the "Rolling in the Sky" series?

Ya know, it's a funny thing about "Movie Night". I tried showing some
of those niche videos (Blue Angels, Thunderbirds, SR-71, Thunderbolt
training films, etc.), and they were met with mild interest but also
an air of disappointment. I even tried showing them as part of a
double feature, but the Kiwi flight simulator has proven to be WAY too
popular.

When we show a Hollywood aviation film -- even a BAD one -- the crowd
seems more content. (And when I say "crowd" I mean anywhere from 8 to
40 people -- we're not talking a seething mass of humanity here.)
Those documentary-type videos are just not well received, for some
reason. (I really like them!)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[[email protected][_1_]]

On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:40:30 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
> wrote:

snip

>The thing I remember best about that movie, having seen it as a kid, is
>when the nav leans over and tells the captain that they've just "passed
>the point of no return". dhunh dhunh dhuuuunh!
>
>Wasn't til years later when I actually learned what PNR meant....

Is that the same one where they talk about "the cone of silence" ?

Wasn't til years later when I actually learned what that meant...

TC

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Dan Luke" > wrote in message
...
>
> I'd put "Pearl Harbor" up against anything for sheer Hollywood stupidity.
> Sure, there have been plenty of crappy aviation B-movies made, but P H was
> crappiness on a grand scale.
>

I recall much talk about the efforts at historical accuracy during
production of "Pearl Harbor".

It was absolute garbage. Navy nurses giving Army pilots physicals,
monitoring voice transmissions in Hawaii from the Doolittle raid,
misspelling Mitchel Field, and many more.

Even errors in simple physics. Remember when our heroes were trying to
rescue sailors from the overturned battleship after the attack? They're
working well above the water level in the calm harbor, they had just cut
through
a small section of the remarkably thin hull. A few sailors reached hands
through the hole, they were grasped by the rescuers as water bubbled up
through the hole, drowning the sailors.


Why is the water rising inside the ship?

[Jay Honeck]

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOyQ3nTDgCs

Now THAT is hilarious!

I wish I had a high-res version -- I'd show it on Movie Night!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Orval Fairbairn" > wrote in message
...
>
> I would add all of the "Airport" movies to the candidates' list!
>

I think the first was pretty good, they got progressively worse with each
sequel.

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"VE5JL" > wrote in message
news:TTCOh.84381$DN.17915@pd7urf2no...
>
> The first two Airport movies were not too bad. However the third was
> implausible and the 4th had JJ Walker in it and a commercial jet (CONcord)
> that did aerobatics to avoid being shot down and then continued on with
> the flight.
>

The second, "Airport 1975", involved a midair between a 747 at cruise
altitude and, I believe, a Beech Baron. That seems plenty implausible to
me.

[Jim Stewart]

wrote:

> On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:40:30 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
> > wrote:
>
> snip
>
>
>>The thing I remember best about that movie, having seen it as a kid, is
>>when the nav leans over and tells the captain that they've just "passed
>>the point of no return". dhunh dhunh dhuuuunh!
>>
>>Wasn't til years later when I actually learned what PNR meant....
>
>
> Is that the same one where they talk about "the cone of silence" ?
>
> Wasn't til years later when I actually learned what that meant...

You mean you didn't research "the cone of silence"
from the TV show "Get Smart"?

[Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>> As a trivial aside, did you know that Leslie Nielsen was a WWII
>> RCAF air gunner (bomber crew)?
>>
>> They get him out to RCAF reunions whenever they can, for the
>> obvious reasons, rick
>
> Crikey! Can you imagine going to a reunion with him? It would be
> like drinking with Jim Carrey, I suspect...
> --

You might want to glance up at the headers to see how many news groups you
are posting to...

rec.aviation.student,alt.disasters.aviation,alt.us enet.kooks,alt.religion.asatru,rec.aviation.piloti ng


--
Geoff
The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com
remove spaces and make the obvious substitutions to reply by mail
When immigration is outlawed, only outlaws will immigrate.
>

[Bertie the Bunyip[_2_]]

Nomen Nescio > wrote in
:

> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>
> From: Mxsmanic >
>
>>Apollo 13 is mostly a true story. While some details are exaggerated
>>or incorrect, there are other details from the real flight that were
>>even more harrowing than the film. It's one of my favorite movies. I
>>like the music, too.
>
> And I'll bet that when Blanche Lovell says "If they could get a
> washing machine to fly, my Jimmy could land it.", you say "Anybody
> could land it. You just push the Autoland button".

Bwawhahwhahhwhah!
>

Wanna bet he's painting that over the button that says "Delicates" with
liquid paper?



Berti e

[Bertie the Bunyip[_2_]]

wrote in news:qtlo03tucvghegub9lo9ag4vd7f3rf04q6
@4ax.com:

> On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:40:30 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
> > wrote:
>
> snip
>
>>The thing I remember best about that movie, having seen it as a kid,
is
>>when the nav leans over and tells the captain that they've just
"passed
>>the point of no return". dhunh dhunh dhuuuunh!
>>
>>Wasn't til years later when I actually learned what PNR meant....
>
> Is that the same one where they talk about "the cone of silence" ?
>
> Wasn't til years later when I actually learned what that meant...

Can't remember that bit, bu tthe cone of silence they're talking about
is 4 way range, of course, not VOR..


Berti e

[Bertie the Bunyip[_2_]]

"Rob" > wrote in news:1175205165.174049.43010
@r56g2000hsd.googlegroups.com:

> On Mar 28, 5:28 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> Thank you. Sop few people "get" me.
>
> You mean because of the killfiles?
>

Ahh killfiles. If only more people knew how to use 'em or actually did use
'em.

My favorties are the guys who only answer my poasts through a reply that's
been made already, since that's the only way thye can see my poasts..


Berti e

[John Mazor[_2_]]

"Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" <The Sea Hawk at wow way d0t com>
wrote in message
news:VOqdnZVM2OcxupHbnZ2dnUVZ_oipnZ2d@wideopenwest .com...
> "John Mazor" > wrote in message
> news:fTQOh.61669$vI1.26664@trnddc02...
>> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
>> oups.com...
>>>> And I still like The High and the Mighty.. In fact the
>>>> clip of Wayne
>>>> smacking Robert Stack in the mouth was used in my last
>>>> CRM class!
>>>
> <...>
>> Anybody got a link to that scene? I could have used it
>> on occasion.
>
> http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/2006-2-25_TheHighTheMighty.wmv

Thanks much. Ask, and ye shall receive!

[Dan Luke]

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

>> I'd put "Pearl Harbor" up against anything for sheer Hollywood stupidity.
>> Sure, there have been plenty of crappy aviation B-movies made, but P H was
>> crappiness on a grand scale.
>>
>
> I recall much talk about the efforts at historical accuracy during
> production of "Pearl Harbor".
>
> It was absolute garbage. Navy nurses giving Army pilots physicals,
> monitoring voice transmissions in Hawaii from the Doolittle raid,
> misspelling Mitchel Field, and many more.
>
> Even errors in simple physics. Remember when our heroes were trying to
> rescue sailors from the overturned battleship after the attack? They're
> working well above the water level in the calm harbor, they had just cut
> through
> a small section of the remarkably thin hull. A few sailors reached hands
> through the hole, they were grasped by the rescuers as water bubbled up
> through the hole, drowning the sailors.
>
>
> Why is the water rising inside the ship?

That kind of stuff is what convinces me the movie business is composed of
people who flunked 8th grade science...and history...and, well, practically
everything.

What I hated most about "Pearl Harbor" was the ghastly, anachronistic dialog:
"I'm not anxious to die, just anxious to matter." What is that, a Peace Corps
volunteer?

Not for one second could I believe that these were people of the times.

--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

[vincent p. norris]

>>For the number of technical errors in a movie that PRETENDS TO BE
>>HISTORY, "Midway" is a strong contender!
>>
>>The account of the battle, so far as I know, is accurate, but the
>>flying scenes are riddled with errors.
>
>The errors are due, I believe, to the complete lack of any new flying scenes
>shot for the movie. All the action scenes are from actual footage or other
>movies. Hence, they don't match the real case very often, and you'll see a
>character's plane magically change markings or even types.

Yes, that's exactly what I was referring to, Ron. But surely the
makers of that movie could have found more accurate had they made the
effort. I blame it on (a) ignorance or (b) arrogance.

vince norris

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, "Steven P. McNicoll" > said:
>a small section of the remarkably thin hull. A few sailors reached hands
>through the hole, they were grasped by the rescuers as water bubbled up
>through the hole, drowning the sailors.
>
>
>Why is the water rising inside the ship?

Because the air pressure that was holding the water out was released?
Before they cut it, it was acting like a diving bell.

No, I'm not defending the movie, and I don't even remember the scene you
are describing, but when you cut through a hull it's quite possible for
the water level inside to rise because of trapped air leaving.

--
Paul Tomblin > http://blog.xcski.com/
Every nonzero finite dimensional inner product space has an orthonormal basis.

It makes sense, when you don't think about it.

[Tom Conner]

I have forgotten the name, but there was a movie with Steven Segal about a
high-jacked airliner. His commando team was in another plane that flew
underneath the high-jacked plane and they managed to attach a tube between
the two planes. Then the commandos went through the tube into the other
plane. Compared to what comes next, that part is plausible. Once the
commandos are on the plane they go into this attic type area above all the
seats and use it to traverse the plane. Sort of like a baggage compartment
on top of the plane, but without the baggage. Even though I love science
fiction, even I couldn't suspend belief and accept the plane in this movie.

Another one had Nicolas Cage as a prisoner being transported on a plane.
The plane was basically a flying prison with steel floors, stairs, etc. It
must have had atomic engines to power that thing off the ground.

[Greg Copeland]

On Mar 28, 8:37 am, "Jay Honeck" > wrote:
> But after last night I can honestly say that the award for worst
> aviation movie EVER made goes to "Iron Eagle" -- the 1986 movie that
> was the Air Forces's quick answer to the success of "Top Gun".
>

You say that only because you never saw the Army's answer to Iron
Eagle. I don't remember the name but it was about Army copter pilots
(Apaches IIRC) and has even worse acting and yet worse dialog. They
even found a way to make attack helicopters cheesy on the big screen.
I sure wish I could remember the name of it but something tells me I
didn't "accidentally" forget it. ;)

Greg

[John Theune]

Tom Conner wrote:
> I have forgotten the name, but there was a movie with Steven Segal about a
> high-jacked airliner. His commando team was in another plane that flew
> underneath the high-jacked plane and they managed to attach a tube between
> the two planes. Then the commandos went through the tube into the other
> plane. Compared to what comes next, that part is plausible. Once the
> commandos are on the plane they go into this attic type area above all the
> seats and use it to traverse the plane. Sort of like a baggage compartment
> on top of the plane, but without the baggage. Even though I love science
> fiction, even I couldn't suspend belief and accept the plane in this movie.
>
> Another one had Nicolas Cage as a prisoner being transported on a plane.
> The plane was basically a flying prison with steel floors, stairs, etc. It
> must have had atomic engines to power that thing off the ground.
>
>
That was Con-Air and the plane was a C130 and if you can fit it into a
C130 it will take off. The payload is between 36,000 and 42,000 pounds.

[Greg Copeland]

On Mar 28, 8:37 am, "Jay Honeck" > wrote:
> We often talk about the BEST aviation movie here, but how 'bout the
> worst?

I remembered the name. It was falled "Firebirds", 1990. I found it
at IMDB too.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099575/

[Ron Wanttaja]

On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 20:59:06 -0500, vincent p. norris > wrote:

>>>For the number of technical errors in a movie that PRETENDS TO BE
>>>HISTORY, "Midway" is a strong contender!
>>>
>>>The account of the battle, so far as I know, is accurate, but the
>>>flying scenes are riddled with errors.
>>
>>The errors are due, I believe, to the complete lack of any new flying scenes
>>shot for the movie. All the action scenes are from actual footage or other
>>movies. Hence, they don't match the real case very often, and you'll see a
>>character's plane magically change markings or even types.
>
>Yes, that's exactly what I was referring to, Ron. But surely the
>makers of that movie could have found more accurate had they made the
>effort. I blame it on (a) ignorance or (b) arrogance.

Try c) Apathy. 99% of the movie-going public won't care, so why should the
filmmakers? In a world that can disgorge "Iron Eagle" and three sequels, should
we expect better? :-)

Midway *does* have good music...another John Williams score.

Ron Wanttaja

[Ron Wanttaja]

On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 04:19:27 GMT, John Theune > wrote:

>> Another one had Nicolas Cage as a prisoner being transported on a plane.
>> The plane was basically a flying prison with steel floors, stairs, etc. It
>> must have had atomic engines to power that thing off the ground.
>>
>That was Con-Air and the plane was a C130 and if you can fit it into a
>C130 it will take off. The payload is between 36,000 and 42,000 pounds.

No, it was a C-123. Two recip engines.

http://tinyurl.com/yq424v

Ron Wanttaja

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"John Theune" > wrote in message
news:jd0Ph.5023$5E3.3668@trndny01...
>
> That was Con-Air and the plane was a C130 and if you can fit it into a
> C130 it will take off. The payload is between 36,000 and 42,000 pounds.
>

It was a C-123.

[John Theune]

Ron Wanttaja wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 04:19:27 GMT, John Theune > wrote:
>
>>> Another one had Nicolas Cage as a prisoner being transported on a plane.
>>> The plane was basically a flying prison with steel floors, stairs, etc. It
>>> must have had atomic engines to power that thing off the ground.
>>>
>> That was Con-Air and the plane was a C130 and if you can fit it into a
>> C130 it will take off. The payload is between 36,000 and 42,000 pounds.
>
> No, it was a C-123. Two recip engines.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yq424v
>
> Ron Wanttaja
Your right Ron, that's what I get for using a error prone carbon based
memory system instead of a silicon based one. At least I googled to get
the useful load figures.

[Steven P. McNicoll[_2_]]

On Mar 29, 7:59 pm, (Paul Tomblin) wrote:
>
> Because the air pressure that was holding the water out was released?
> Before they cut it, it was acting like a diving bell.
>
> No, I'm not defending the movie, and I don't even remember the scene you
> are describing, but when you cut through a hull it's quite possible for
> the water level inside to rise because of trapped air leaving.
>

Yes, it's quite possible the inverted ship was acting like a diving
bell and the water level inside the hull was below the water level in
the harbor outside. Opening a hole in the hull would then release air
which had been forcing the interior water level down. But the water
levels would then equalize, the hull would not fill with water and
water would not then flow out of the hole.

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, "Steven P. McNicoll" > said:
>On Mar 29, 7:59 pm, (Paul Tomblin) wrote:
>> Because the air pressure that was holding the water out was released?
>> Before they cut it, it was acting like a diving bell.
>>
>> No, I'm not defending the movie, and I don't even remember the scene you
>> are describing, but when you cut through a hull it's quite possible for
>> the water level inside to rise because of trapped air leaving.
>>
>
>Yes, it's quite possible the inverted ship was acting like a diving
>bell and the water level inside the hull was below the water level in
>the harbor outside. Opening a hole in the hull would then release air
>which had been forcing the interior water level down. But the water
>levels would then equalize, the hull would not fill with water and
>water would not then flow out of the hole.

Ok, I didn't realize that's what you meant happened. That's bad.


--
Paul Tomblin > http://blog.xcski.com/
The people here have other bones to pick -- possibly including yours.
-- Mike Andrews

[[email protected][_1_]]

On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 00:55:01 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
> wrote:

snip
>> Is that the same one where they talk about "the cone of silence" ?
>>
>> Wasn't til years later when I actually learned what that meant...
>
>Can't remember that bit, bu tthe cone of silence they're talking about
>is 4 way range, of course, not VOR..
>
>
>Berti e

Yup.

I learned about four-course navigation in the "classic" manner-using
diagrams on a cocktail napkin and lots of airplane/hand motions-from
an old-timer that had done it...

TC

[Ross]

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
> "Orval Fairbairn" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>I would add all of the "Airport" movies to the candidates' list!
>>
>
>
> I think the first was pretty good, they got progressively worse with each
> sequel.
>
>
>
That is usually how sequels go,,,, down

--

Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI

[Bertie the Bunyip[_2_]]

wrote in news:935q03dtlh7h3m3l5fkdo9b2glcvoh1g37
@4ax.com:

> On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 00:55:01 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
> > wrote:
>
> snip
>>> Is that the same one where they talk about "the cone of silence" ?
>>>
>>> Wasn't til years later when I actually learned what that meant...
>>
>>Can't remember that bit, bu tthe cone of silence they're talking about
>>is 4 way range, of course, not VOR..
>>
>>
>>Berti e
>
> Yup.
>
> I learned about four-course navigation in the "classic" manner-using
> diagrams on a cocktail napkin and lots of airplane/hand motions-from
> an old-timer that had done it...
>

Yeah. I had to do an exam on them in canada, where they were in use 'til
the 80's. I remember seeing an article about the last one in the US
being decommisioned in and around 1979... The cone was significant,
because it was the only way you knew you had passed the station. If you
missed it, you could fly an outbound QDR for miles before you realised
it and then you had no time for your station passage.. It was considered
wise to fly slightly to one side of the beam so either the A or N was
stronger so if oyu missed the cone you knew from the swappover in signal
strength as you flew into the opposite beam..

Bertie

[Ken Finney]

"John Theune" > wrote in message
news:iU5Ph.7220$J21.5802@trndny03...
> Ron Wanttaja wrote:
>> On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 04:19:27 GMT, John Theune >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> Another one had Nicolas Cage as a prisoner being transported on a
>>>> plane.
>>>> The plane was basically a flying prison with steel floors, stairs, etc.
>>>> It
>>>> must have had atomic engines to power that thing off the ground.
>>>>
>>> That was Con-Air and the plane was a C130 and if you can fit it into a
>>> C130 it will take off. The payload is between 36,000 and 42,000 pounds.
>>
>> No, it was a C-123. Two recip engines.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/yq424v
>>
>> Ron Wanttaja
> Your right Ron, that's what I get for using a error prone carbon based
> memory system instead of a silicon based one. At least I googled to get
> the useful load figures.

Does that mean that Ron has a silicon based memory system???

Now a plywood based one, I'd believe...

[John Theune]

Ken Finney wrote:
> "John Theune" > wrote in message
> news:iU5Ph.7220$J21.5802@trndny03...
>> Ron Wanttaja wrote:
>>> On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 04:19:27 GMT, John Theune >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Another one had Nicolas Cage as a prisoner being transported on a
>>>>> plane.
>>>>> The plane was basically a flying prison with steel floors, stairs, etc.
>>>>> It
>>>>> must have had atomic engines to power that thing off the ground.
>>>>>
>>>> That was Con-Air and the plane was a C130 and if you can fit it into a
>>>> C130 it will take off. The payload is between 36,000 and 42,000 pounds.
>>> No, it was a C-123. Two recip engines.
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/yq424v
>>>
>>> Ron Wanttaja
>> Your right Ron, that's what I get for using a error prone carbon based
>> memory system instead of a silicon based one. At least I googled to get
>> the useful load figures.
>
> Does that mean that Ron has a silicon based memory system???
>
> Now a plywood based one, I'd believe...
>
>
>
No it means I tried to recall the a/c type from my memory instead of
looking it up online :) I think Ron's smart enough to verify his
recollection before he posts it :)

John

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Paul Tomblin" > wrote in message
...
>
> Ok, I didn't realize that's what you meant happened. That's bad.
>

I should have said they were working well above the water level in the calm
harbor.

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, "Steven P. McNicoll" > said:
>"Paul Tomblin" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> Ok, I didn't realize that's what you meant happened. That's bad.
>>
>
>I should have said they were working well above the water level in the calm
>harbor.

Yeah, I missed that part. Why don't you rub it in some more?


--
Paul Tomblin > http://blog.xcski.com/
We don't need a fountain of youth. We need a fountain of smart.
-- Bill Mattocks's .sig

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Paul Tomblin" > wrote in message
...
>
> Yeah, I missed that part. Why don't you rub it in some more?
>

I rub just enough, and then I stop.

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, "Steven P. McNicoll" > said:
>"Paul Tomblin" > wrote in message
...
>> Yeah, I missed that part. Why don't you rub it in some more?
>>
>
>I rub just enough, and then I stop.

That's what... nah, too easy.


--
Paul Tomblin > http://blog.xcski.com/
As convenient as it is for information to come to us, libraries do have a
valuable side effect: they force all of the smart people to come together in
one place where they can interact with one another. -- Neal Stephenson

[Dan Luke]

"Paul Tomblin" wrote:

>>I rub just enough, and then I stop.
>
> That's what... nah, too easy.

LOL

[Dan Luke]

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote :

> Yes, it's quite possible the inverted ship was acting like a diving
> bell and the water level inside the hull was below the water level in
> the harbor outside. Opening a hole in the hull would then release air
> which had been forcing the interior water level down. But the water
> levels would then equalize, the hull would not fill with water and
> water would not then flow out of the hole.

Wasn't the superstructure resting on the bottom, anyway?

--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

[Roger[_4_]]

On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 03:35:43 GMT, "Tom Conner" >
wrote:

>I have forgotten the name, but there was a movie with Steven Segal about a
>high-jacked airliner. His commando team was in another plane that flew

Command Decision (I think)

>underneath the high-jacked plane and they managed to attach a tube between
>the two planes. Then the commandos went through the tube into the other
>plane. Compared to what comes next, that part is plausible. Once the
>commandos are on the plane they go into this attic type area above all the
>seats and use it to traverse the plane. Sort of like a baggage compartment
>on top of the plane, but without the baggage. Even though I love science
>fiction, even I couldn't suspend belief and accept the plane in this movie.
>
>Another one had Nicolas Cage as a prisoner being transported on a plane.
>The plane was basically a flying prison with steel floors, stairs, etc. It
>must have had atomic engines to power that thing off the ground.
>
Con Air.

Of the two I found Con Air to be ... well...more interesting. It may
be more slapstick mayhem, and a bit unbelieveable, but done better
than Command Decision.


Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

[Bob Noel]

In article >,
vincent p. norris > wrote:

> >Midway *does* have good music...another John Williams score.
>
> I guess I never noticed that! I'll try to pay closer attention next
> time I watch. (And I will watch; I love looking at those old
> airplanes, even if they're the wrong ones.)

One of the characteristics of a good movie score is that you
don't notice it.

--
Bob Noel
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[vincent p. norris]

>Midway *does* have good music...another John Williams score.

I guess I never noticed that! I'll try to pay closer attention next
time I watch. (And I will watch; I love looking at those old
airplanes, even if they're the wrong ones.)

vince norris

[Don Tuite]

I don't think anyone has mentioned "Those Magnificent Men in their
Flying Machines." Am I alone in remembering it as awful?

Anyone ever watched "Wings"? I never saw the movie myself, but my
mother had a novelization of the movie (Yes, they did that even back
in the silent days.) that I read several times when I was a kid. (The
plot of "Flyboys" included a few elements of "Wings.")

Mom had a copy of Anne Lindbergh's "North to the Orient," too. I've
always thought of her as timid, but, hmmm.

Don

[John Godwin]

Don Tuite > wrote in
:

> I don't think anyone has mentioned "Those Magnificent Men in their
> Flying Machines." Am I alone in remembering it as awful?

I thought it was funny, particularly Benny Hill and the Fire Brigade.
I certainly didn't consider it as a historical piece.

--

[Jim Logajan]

Don Tuite > wrote:
> I don't think anyone has mentioned "Those Magnificent Men in their
> Flying Machines." Am I alone in remembering it as awful?

It wasn't terribly funny, but I wouldn't classify it as particularly
horrible either. I enjoyed it for the great shots of flying replicas - but
I'm sure you're not alone either!

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Dan Luke" > wrote in message
...
>
> Wasn't the superstructure resting on the bottom, anyway?
>

Yes, but I do not recall that being stated in the film.

[Neil Gould]

Recently, Dallas > posted:

> On 28 Mar 2007 06:37:31 -0700, Jay Honeck wrote:
>
>> Re: John Wayne. Having seen all of his aviation flicks now, it's
>> easy to see where John Wayne got his reputation for being
>> one-dimensional.
>
>
> Perhaps the third worst movie would be the 1954 soap opera in the
> sky, The High and the Mighty.
>
> The high point of the movie would be John Wayne bitch slapping Robert
> Stack in the cockpit. (Two thumbs up)
>
I use that scene as a reference to CRM... YMMV. ;-)

Neil

[Jay Honeck]

> Mom had a copy of Anne Lindbergh's "North to the Orient," too. I've
> always thought of her as timid, but, hmmm.

When one reads what Anne Morrow Lindbergh flew, and what she
accomplished in her life, "timid" is not a word that comes to mind.

See: http://www.lindberghfoundation.org/history/amlbio.html
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Peter Dohm]

> I don't think anyone has mentioned "Those Magnificent Men in their
> Flying Machines." Am I alone in remembering it as awful?
>
> Anyone ever watched "Wings"? I never saw the movie myself, but my
> mother had a novelization of the movie (Yes, they did that even back
> in the silent days.) that I read several times when I was a kid. (The
> plot of "Flyboys" included a few elements of "Wings.")
>
> Mom had a copy of Anne Lindbergh's "North to the Orient," too. I've
> always thought of her as timid, but, hmmm.
>
> Don

You are most definitely not alone.

Interestingly, I learned much later that some of those machines actually
flew...

Peter

[Don Tuite]

On 31 Mar 2007 06:36:35 -0700, "Jay Honeck" >
wrote:

>> Mom had a copy of Anne Lindbergh's "North to the Orient," too. I've
>> always thought of her as timid, but, hmmm.
>
>When one reads what Anne Morrow Lindbergh flew, and what she
>accomplished in her life, "timid" is not a word that comes to mind.
>
>See: http://www.lindberghfoundation.org/history/amlbio.html

Not AML, Jay, my mom!

We got Mom tranqed enough twice to fly -- EWR to SFO and back. I
suppose it didn't help that she was flying with my sister, who "helps"
the flight-deck crew keep the airplane flying by pulling constantly up
on the arms of her seat.

My sister flew with me once, in a 150, nearly 40 years ago, but I
freaked her out with an abrupt control input when I reacted to a
glimpse of some motion in my peripheral vision. (We were abeam Yonkers
and just out of the TEB control zone, and I was a little twitchy. I
learned to fly in the LA basin, but flyig around New York was new to
me.)

Don

[Borat]

"Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" <The Sea Hawk at wow way d0t com> wrote in message
news:f8WdnVBp7Pa1tJHbnZ2dnUVZ_umlnZ2d@wideopenwest .com...
> "Morgans" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Borat" > wrote
>>
>>> and Apollo 13
>>
>> Apollo 13 still puts me on the edge of my seat....
>> And I _KNOW_ how it is going to turn out! <g>
>>
>> It is on my top ten list.
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOyQ3nTDgCs

Priceless and confirms what a bozo movie Apollo 13 was. The script and
dialogue was so dire.
> --
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>

[Blanche]

Bob Noel > wrote:
> vincent p. norris > wrote:
>
>> >Midway *does* have good music...another John Williams score.
>>
>> I guess I never noticed that! I'll try to pay closer attention next
>> time I watch. (And I will watch; I love looking at those old
>> airplanes, even if they're the wrong ones.)
>
>One of the characteristics of a good movie score is that you
>don't notice it.

But how can you *not* notice the opening fanfare of Star Wars? Or
the closing montage? (hm...don't think I spelled that right)

A characteristic of a great movie score is that it fits perfectly
with the film moment, highlights it...

What would the shower scene in Psycho be *without* the music?

[Don Tuite]

On 31 Mar 2007 19:58:50 GMT, Blanche > wrote:

>Bob Noel > wrote:
>> vincent p. norris > wrote:
>>
>>> >Midway *does* have good music...another John Williams score.
>>>
>>> I guess I never noticed that! I'll try to pay closer attention next
>>> time I watch. (And I will watch; I love looking at those old
>>> airplanes, even if they're the wrong ones.)
>>
>>One of the characteristics of a good movie score is that you
>>don't notice it.
>
>But how can you *not* notice the opening fanfare of Star Wars? Or
>the closing montage? (hm...don't think I spelled that right)
>
>A characteristic of a great movie score is that it fits perfectly
>with the film moment, highlights it...
>
>What would the shower scene in Psycho be *without* the music?
>
Or think of "The Guns of Navarrone," "Bridge over the River Kwai," or
"Magnificent Seven."

Don

[Dan Luke]

"Don Tuite" wrote:

>>>One of the characteristics of a good movie score is that you
>>>don't notice it.
>>
>>But how can you *not* notice the opening fanfare of Star Wars? Or
>>the closing montage? (hm...don't think I spelled that right)
>>
>>A characteristic of a great movie score is that it fits perfectly
>>with the film moment, highlights it...
>>
>>What would the shower scene in Psycho be *without* the music?
>>
> Or think of "The Guns of Navarrone," "Bridge over the River Kwai," or
> "Magnificent Seven."

"The Good, the Bad and the Ugly" or "The Godfather"

[Mxsmanic]

Dan Luke writes:

> "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly" or "The Godfather"

_Chinatown_.

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[Bob Noel]

In article >, Blanche >
wrote:

> >One of the characteristics of a good movie score is that you
> >don't notice it.
>
> But how can you *not* notice the opening fanfare of Star Wars?

by being totally grabbed by the whole experience, not just the music.
The music is there to add/enhance/emphasize, not to scream "HEY
LISTEN TO THE MUSIC"


>Or
> the closing montage? (hm...don't think I spelled that right)

The closing montage is for the crediots (think snigglet) :-)


>
> A characteristic of a great movie score is that it fits perfectly
> with the film moment, highlights it...

yes, which is different than having the audience be thinking about
the music rather than the story. (an exception might be the Cantina
scene in Star Wars, Episode 4, "A New Hope".

>
> What would the shower scene in Psycho be *without* the music?

Don't know. I don't think I've ever seen a Hitchcock movie.

--
Bob Noel
(gave up looking for a particular sig the lawyer will hate)

[Mxsmanic]

Bob Noel writes:

> by being totally grabbed by the whole experience, not just the music.
> The music is there to add/enhance/emphasize, not to scream "HEY
> LISTEN TO THE MUSIC"

John Williams did a great deal to bring back this type of music to motion
pictures. He's very good at matching the music to the action, although, in
some cases, the action has been matched to the music (in the case of _Close
Encounters_ for some sequences, as I recall).

If you want a superlative example of music that you don't notice, watch just
about any Warner Bros. cartoon. Carl Stalling had an uncanny mastery of this
type of music (most of the sound effects in the cartoons are in fact musical).

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[John[_9_]]

On Mar 29, 11:40�am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in news:1175180601.824480.314510
> @l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> And I still like The High and the Mighty.. In fact the clip of Wayne
> >> smacking Robert Stack in the mouth was used in my last CRM class!
>
> > That should win the all-time award for "Most Inadvertently Hilarious
> > Scene".
>
> > What makes it great is that they are all deadly serious. *Wayne is
> > almost dead-pan, in a very Leslie Nielsen way, while he's dope-
> > slapping Stack!
>
> Yes, though I think the CRM class was split on whehter this was a
> positive or negative example of good CRM. Depends on the situation, I
> guess.
> The thing I remember best about that movie, having seen it as a kid, is
> when the nav leans over and tells the captain that they've just "passed
> the point of no return". dhunh dhunh dhuuuunh!
>
> Wasn't til years later when I actually learned what PNR meant....
>
> Bertie

If the CRM class was split on whether bitch slapping Robert Stack was
good or bad I have to wonder if the class was divided between left and
right seat occupants....:)

John

[Blanche]

Bob Noel > wrote:
>In article >, Blanche >
>wrote:
>
>> What would the shower scene in Psycho be *without* the music?
>
>Don't know. I don't think I've ever seen a Hitchcock movie.

(*sputter sputter sputter*)

What? You've never seen the original Psycho? How about Mel Brooks'
"High Anxiety" with the shower scene spoof?

amazing...astonishing....outlandish....he's never seen Psycho...

[Marty Shapiro]

"Dan Luke" > wrote in
:

>
> "Don Tuite" wrote:
>
>>>>One of the characteristics of a good movie score is that you
>>>>don't notice it.
>>>
>>>But how can you *not* notice the opening fanfare of Star Wars? Or
>>>the closing montage? (hm...don't think I spelled that right)
>>>
>>>A characteristic of a great movie score is that it fits perfectly
>>>with the film moment, highlights it...
>>>
>>>What would the shower scene in Psycho be *without* the music?
>>>
>> Or think of "The Guns of Navarrone," "Bridge over the River Kwai," or
>> "Magnificent Seven."
>
> "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly" or "The Godfather"
>
>

Dimitri Tiomkin - "High Noon"
--
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[Bob Noel]

In article >, Blanche >
wrote:

> >> What would the shower scene in Psycho be *without* the music?
> >
> >Don't know. I don't think I've ever seen a Hitchcock movie.
>
> (*sputter sputter sputter*)
>
> What? You've never seen the original Psycho? How about Mel Brooks'
> "High Anxiety" with the shower scene spoof?

Nope. Haven't seen that one either.

>
> amazing...astonishing....outlandish....he's never seen Psycho...

Why? I'm not really into that genre.

--
Bob Noel
(gave up looking for a particular sig the lawyer will hate)

[Jay Honeck]

> > amazing...astonishing....outlandish....he's never seen Psycho...
>
> Why? I'm not really into that genre.

In our society, in our age group, saying that you've "never seen
Psycho" is like saying you never ate Wheaties, or watched "Star Trek",
or read the Sunday comics.

It's just...unusual.

Personally, I think Hitchcock is over-rated, but I tend to disagree
with movie critics about a lot of things. Still, Psycho is worth
renting, just to see the source of much of our pop culture.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Bob Noel]

In article . com>,
"Jay Honeck" > wrote:

> > > amazing...astonishing....outlandish....he's never seen Psycho...
> >
> > Why? I'm not really into that genre.
>
> In our society, in our age group, saying that you've "never seen
> Psycho" is like saying you never ate Wheaties, or watched "Star Trek",
> or read the Sunday comics.
>
> It's just...unusual.

ok, I'm unusual. I haven't had any wheaties either. :-)

--
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(gave up looking for a particular sig the lawyer will hate)

[Bertie the Bunyip[_2_]]

"John" > wrote in news:1175396277.785720.100100
@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:

> On Mar 29, 11:40�am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in
news:1175180601.824480.314510
>> @l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> >> And I still like The High and the Mighty.. In fact the clip of
Wayne
>> >> smacking Robert Stack in the mouth was used in my last CRM class!
>>
>> > That should win the all-time award for "Most Inadvertently
Hilarious
>> > Scene".
>>
>> > What makes it great is that they are all deadly serious. *Wayne is
>> > almost dead-pan, in a very Leslie Nielsen way, while he's dope-
>> > slapping Stack!
>>
>> Yes, though I think the CRM class was split on whehter this was a
>> positive or negative example of good CRM. Depends on the situation, I
>> guess.
>> The thing I remember best about that movie, having seen it as a kid,
is
>> when the nav leans over and tells the captain that they've just
"passed
>> the point of no return". dhunh dhunh dhuuuunh!
>>
>> Wasn't til years later when I actually learned what PNR meant....
>>
>> Bertie
>
> If the CRM class was split on whether bitch slapping Robert Stack was
> good or bad I have to wonder if the class was divided between left and
> right seat occupants....:)
>

Mm, not really, I don't think. More sort of a question of what kind of
approach you take when someone is loaded up to his back teeth in a bad
situation and how much time you have to deal with it. If it degenarates
to that dgree, well, you haven't got a lot of choice if you want to
live. And real situations have degenerated to that degree, as we know,
and airplanes have crashed because of it. What makes that such a good
clip, though, is it shows the weaknesses we all posess in sharp relief,
and because at least one of those guys picks at a nerve in most, if not
all of us, we ask questions about how we ourselves would manage a
similar situation. In asking those questions, we become far better
prepared to deal with things when, for instance you get stuck in with a
grumpy Captain whose wife is taking him to the cleaners and he hasn't
been laid for months. Or an uppity FO who insists on banging on the
FMCat a rate of 600 WPM and 10% accuracy who won't listen to you until
you rap him on the fingers with a ruler. Hopefully, having looked into
your head and heart you can come up with an approach to open comms so
that this sort of thing never develops to this point.
that's why i think this clip is the perfect CRM tool/.

Seen a few much longer reenactments that say virtually the same thing,
but this caricature says it all and it says it in a way that sinks in.


Bertie

[Ron Wanttaja]

On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 22:09:22 -0400, Bob Noel
> wrote:

>In article >,
> vincent p. norris > wrote:
>
>> >Midway *does* have good music...another John Williams score.
>>
>> I guess I never noticed that! I'll try to pay closer attention next
>> time I watch. (And I will watch; I love looking at those old
>> airplanes, even if they're the wrong ones.)
>
>One of the characteristics of a good movie score is that you
>don't notice it.

Well...I'll disagree with you, to some extent. A good score should not be
intrusive, but the best ones enhance the movie. The opening for "The Rocketeer"
is a good example. "Star Wars," as mentioned by others, is another good case.
Each major character had their own musical theme...subtle most of the time, but
they'd be worked together during action sequences.

Lucas went a long, LONG way to build sympathy for Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker
by the time Vader dies in "Return of the Jedi." But the crowning touch was the
"Empire Strike Back" theme, played in a minor key on a single mandolin, just as
Anakin dies.

Or, to slip back to aviation, imagine the scene at the beginning of "Twelve
O'Clock High," when Stovall puts the Toby mug back on the 918th mantel. The
music transitions from a song of peace to a song of war as Stovall's mind
transfers from the tranquility of the abandoned air base to the harshness the
return of a shot-up bomb group.

Ron Wanttaja

[Ron Wanttaja]

On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 19:19:51 GMT, John Theune > wrote:

>Ken Finney wrote:
>> "John Theune" > wrote in message
>> news:iU5Ph.7220$J21.5802@trndny03...
>>> Your right Ron, that's what I get for using a error prone carbon based
>>> memory system instead of a silicon based one. At least I googled to get
>>> the useful load figures.
>>
>> Does that mean that Ron has a silicon based memory system???
>>
>> Now a plywood based one, I'd believe...
>>
>No it means I tried to recall the a/c type from my memory instead of
>looking it up online :) I think Ron's smart enough to verify his
>recollection before he posts it :)

Let me look....uh, yeah, I do. :-)

Ron Wanttaja

[Ron Wanttaja]

On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 19:40:02 -0700, Don Tuite
> wrote:

>I don't think anyone has mentioned "Those Magnificent Men in their
>Flying Machines." Am I alone in remembering it as awful?

I actually enjoy it...depictions of early aviation are just so outright rare,
and the fact that they built all those flying replicas just makes me shiver. :-)

>Anyone ever watched "Wings"? I never saw the movie myself, but my
>mother had a novelization of the movie (Yes, they did that even back
>in the silent days.) that I read several times when I was a kid. (The
>plot of "Flyboys" included a few elements of "Wings.")

Years ago, I read the autobiography of Dick Grace, who did the crashes in
"Wings,", including the SPAD that crash-lands in the trenches and flips upside
down. In the book, Grace says that the director wanted to keep filming after
the plane hits, rather than have the aid crews immediately come to the pilot's
rescue. Grace told him that if he was OK after the crash, he'd flip the rudder
back and forth.

And sure enough, you can see the rudder waggle on "Wings"....

Ron Wanttaja

[Peter Dohm]

>
> > > > amazing...astonishing....outlandish....he's never seen Psycho...
> > >
> > > Why? I'm not really into that genre.
> >
> > In our society, in our age group, saying that you've "never seen
> > Psycho" is like saying you never ate Wheaties, or watched "Star Trek",
> > or read the Sunday comics.
> >
> > It's just...unusual.
>
> ok, I'm unusual. I haven't had any wheaties either. :-)
>
Vile tasting. Just the memory makes me gag... :-(

Peter

[Matt Barrow[_4_]]

"Peter Dohm" > wrote in message
...
> >
>> > > > amazing...astonishing....outlandish....he's never seen Psycho...
>> > >
>> > > Why? I'm not really into that genre.
>> >
>> > In our society, in our age group, saying that you've "never seen
>> > Psycho" is like saying you never ate Wheaties, or watched "Star Trek",
>> > or read the Sunday comics.
>> >
>> > It's just...unusual.
>>
>> ok, I'm unusual. I haven't had any wheaties either. :-)
>>
> Vile tasting. Just the memory makes me gag... :-(
>

Well, that explains why you're doing what you do, rather than being a pro
athlete. :~)

[Bob Noel]

In article >,
Ron Wanttaja > wrote:

> >One of the characteristics of a good movie score is that you
> >don't notice it.
>
> Well...I'll disagree with you, to some extent. A good score should not be
> intrusive, but the best ones enhance the movie.

We are actually in agreement. I don't think I've expressed myself
very well. The score needs to enhance the movie, the plot, the story,
without being the story.

--
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(gave up looking for a particular sig the lawyer will hate)

[Don Tuite]

On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 18:25:17 -0400, Bob Noel
> wrote:

>(gave up looking for a particular sig the lawyer will hate)

What happened to "Downloading copyrighted media since 1995"?

or

"Kids! Download these plans for making explosives from stuff you have
around the house!"

or

"Email today for more information on Uncle Bob's Mystical Mushroom
Logs!"

Don

[cjcampbell]

On Mar 28, 7:28 am, "Dan Luke" > wrote:
> "Jay Honeck" wrote:
> > We often talk about the BEST aviation movie here, but how 'bout the worst?
>
> I'd put "Pearl Harbor" up against anything for sheer Hollywood stupidity.
> Sure, there have been plenty of crappy aviation B-movies made, but P H was
> crappiness on a grand scale.
>
> --
> Dan
> C-172RG at BFM

Unquestionably the worst aviation movie ever made. Even worse than
"Top Gun."

[Jose]

> "Top
> Gun" was infamous for its idiotic dialogue, "You can be my wing man
> any time." "No, you can by MY wing man." Ugh.

Star Wars III wins that battle (is flying in space really flying?). I'm
thinking of the scene where ObiWan thanks Anakin for saving his life
again. I don't think I have ever heard cheesier dialog (except perhaps
later in the same film)

Jose
--
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[cjcampbell]

On Mar 28, 6:37 am, "Jay Honeck" > wrote:

"Iron Eagle" and its sequels were awful. "Pearl Harbor" was worse.
"Flight Plan" has prompted boycotts by flight attendants and aviation
groups. "Mission Impossible II" was stupid and showed an abysmal lack
of knowledge about emergency oxygen systems. That "Airplane" movie
which was really a remake of "The Poseidon Adventure" where a
submerged Boeing 747 manages to keep air inside because of its
pressurization system is beyond the pale. I remember one movie where a
drunken baron pilot (possibly Mxs) took off and slammed into an
airliner. I think it was named "Final Approach" or something like
that. Another one (or maybe the same one) had an airplane lose
pressurization. It was represented that the owner of the airline was
cutting corners and had only installed enough "oxygen" to keep half
the people alive. Like "MI2" this flick had all the oxygen in stored
in huge tanks somewhere on the plane, as if it was a Space Shuttle or
something. Then various actors actually went on rants about how the
deregulated airlines all cut costs by not carrying enough oxygen for
all the passengers.

"Snakes on a Plane" is also a contender, as is "Air Force One." "Top
Gun" was infamous for its idiotic dialogue, "You can be my wing man
any time." "No, you can by MY wing man." Ugh.

Still, all of those considered, "Pearl Harbor" gets my vote as the
worst. Billed as historically accurate and carefully researched, I
don't think they got a single fact right.

I refuse to watch the "Flight of the Phoenix" remake. The original, of
course, is one of the greatest aviation movies of all time. I have
heard that the sequel is one of the worst.

I have not seen any of the "Turbulence" movies, either. Or "Executive
Decision," or "Airport 79," or "SST: Death Flight" (which reviewers
said made "Airport '79" look good), or "The Crowded Sky," or "Panic
in the Skies," or "Passenger 57" with Wesley Snipes, or many other bad
movies. So little time, so many bad movies.

[Ron Wanttaja]

On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 18:25:17 -0400, Bob Noel
> wrote:

>In article >,
> Ron Wanttaja > wrote:
>
>> >One of the characteristics of a good movie score is that you
>> >don't notice it.
>>
>> Well...I'll disagree with you, to some extent. A good score should not be
>> intrusive, but the best ones enhance the movie.
>
>We are actually in agreement. I don't think I've expressed myself
>very well. The score needs to enhance the movie, the plot, the story,
>without being the story.

Yes, I saw one of your later posts and realized what you meant.

I remember back when I was a little kid and my parents dropped me off for one of
those movie-mill live-action Disney flicks in the '60s. Even THEN I noticed how
badly the music suited the movie. In retrospect, I think they just had some
generic music they added to all their cheapie films.

Ron Wanttaja

[Mxsmanic]

Ron Wanttaja writes:

> I remember back when I was a little kid and my parents dropped me off for one of
> those movie-mill live-action Disney flicks in the '60s. Even THEN I noticed how
> badly the music suited the movie. In retrospect, I think they just had some
> generic music they added to all their cheapie films.

Sometimes a movie is written to match the music, as in the case of _Singing in
the Rain_.

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[Bertie the Bunyip[_2_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Ron Wanttaja writes:
>
>> I remember back when I was a little kid and my parents dropped me off
>> for one of those movie-mill live-action Disney flicks in the '60s.
>> Even THEN I noticed how badly the music suited the movie. In
>> retrospect, I think they just had some generic music they added to
>> all their cheapie films.
>
> Sometimes a movie is written to match the music, as in the case of
> _Singing in the Rain_.
>

Or "what a fjukkwit"



berti e

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Don Tuite" > wrote in message
...
>
> Not AML, Jay, my mom!
>

I think your prose was a little too subtle, a little too nuanced, for Jay.

[[email protected]]

Jose > wrote:
> > "Top
> > Gun" was infamous for its idiotic dialogue, "You can be my wing man
> > any time." "No, you can by MY wing man." Ugh.

> Star Wars III wins that battle (is flying in space really flying?). I'm
> thinking of the scene where ObiWan thanks Anakin for saving his life
> again. I don't think I have ever heard cheesier dialog (except perhaps
> later in the same film)

Just imagine Yoda as a student pilot...

Tatoonine traffic, 27 left base turning I am, Tatoonie traffic.

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Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> Mxsmanic > wrote in
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> > Ron Wanttaja writes:
> >
> >> I remember back when I was a little kid and my parents dropped me off
> >> for one of those movie-mill live-action Disney flicks in the '60s.
> >> Even THEN I noticed how badly the music suited the movie. In
> >> retrospect, I think they just had some generic music they added to
> >> all their cheapie films.
> >
> > Sometimes a movie is written to match the music, as in the case of
> > _Singing in the Rain_.
> >

> Or "what a fjukkwit"

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[Crash Lander[_1_]]

> wrote in message
...
> Just imagine Yoda as a student pilot...
>
> Tatoonine traffic, 27 left base turning I am, Tatoonie traffic.
>

LOL!
Hmmmm! Failed, the engine has. Hmmm. Big crash we will have! Take you to it,
I will!
Crash Lander

[Ron Wanttaja]

On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 03:16:54 GMT, "Crash Lander" > wrote:

> > wrote in message
> ...
> > Just imagine Yoda as a student pilot...
> >
> > Tatoonine traffic, 27 left base turning I am, Tatoonie traffic.
> >
>
> LOL!
> Hmmmm! Failed, the engine has. Hmmm. Big crash we will have! Take you to it,
> I will!

Land...or land not. There is no 'try'.

Ron Wanttaja

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"Ron Wanttaja" > wrote in message
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> Land...or land not. There is no 'try'.
>
> Ron Wanttaja

Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a winner!
Beautiful.
Crash Lander

[cjcampbell]

On Apr 1, 6:23 pm, Jose > wrote:
> > "Top
> > Gun" was infamous for its idiotic dialogue, "You can be my wing man
> > any time." "No, you can by MY wing man." Ugh.
>
> Star Wars III wins that battle (is flying in space really flying?). I'm
> thinking of the scene where ObiWan thanks Anakin for saving his life
> again. I don't think I have ever heard cheesier dialog (except perhaps
> later in the same film)

Star Wars III was a terrible movie overall. Not only was the dialogue
rotten, but too many of the scenes were too far-fetched even for
diehard science fiction/fantasy fans such as myself. It was simply
impossible to suspend disbelief. It started with the space battle --
spaceships firing hard weapons without recoil, and objects that are
destroyed are harmlessly blown up instead of sending millions of
shards having the same total mass into the defender. Then, the big
battleship is shot down and for some reason everyone falls toward the
nose of the ship even though it is in orbit. If its artificial gravity
is disabled then everyone should become weightless.

But the thing that was really over the top was the final battle on the
lava flow. No one gets burned or hurt until Darth Vader is defeated.
Then, and only then, do the movie makers remember that lava is hot.
Still not hot enough to be a threat to Obi Wan, though.

[John T[_1_]]

What? "Flyboys" isn't on your list?

[john hawkins]

I haven't seen mention of Fate is the Hunter.
For my money it is the worst of them all. Such a great book tuned into
dreck!

"cjcampbell" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> On Mar 28, 6:37 am, "Jay Honeck" > wrote:
>
> "Iron Eagle" and its sequels were awful. "Pearl Harbor" was worse.
> "Flight Plan" has prompted boycotts by flight attendants and aviation
> groups. "Mission Impossible II" was stupid and showed an abysmal lack
> of knowledge about emergency oxygen systems. That "Airplane" movie
> which was really a remake of "The Poseidon Adventure" where a
> submerged Boeing 747 manages to keep air inside because of its
> pressurization system is beyond the pale. I remember one movie where a
> drunken baron pilot (possibly Mxs) took off and slammed into an
> airliner. I think it was named "Final Approach" or something like
> that. Another one (or maybe the same one) had an airplane lose
> pressurization. It was represented that the owner of the airline was
> cutting corners and had only installed enough "oxygen" to keep half
> the people alive. Like "MI2" this flick had all the oxygen in stored
> in huge tanks somewhere on the plane, as if it was a Space Shuttle or
> something. Then various actors actually went on rants about how the
> deregulated airlines all cut costs by not carrying enough oxygen for
> all the passengers.
>
> "Snakes on a Plane" is also a contender, as is "Air Force One." "Top
> Gun" was infamous for its idiotic dialogue, "You can be my wing man
> any time." "No, you can by MY wing man." Ugh.
>
> Still, all of those considered, "Pearl Harbor" gets my vote as the
> worst. Billed as historically accurate and carefully researched, I
> don't think they got a single fact right.
>
> I refuse to watch the "Flight of the Phoenix" remake. The original, of
> course, is one of the greatest aviation movies of all time. I have
> heard that the sequel is one of the worst.
>
> I have not seen any of the "Turbulence" movies, either. Or "Executive
> Decision," or "Airport 79," or "SST: Death Flight" (which reviewers
> said made "Airport '79" look good), or "The Crowded Sky," or "Panic
> in the Skies," or "Passenger 57" with Wesley Snipes, or many other bad
> movies. So little time, so many bad movies.
>

[Luke Skywalker]

On Apr 8, 8:26 pm, "john hawkins" > wrote:
> I haven't seen mention of Fate is the Hunter.
> For my money it is the worst of them all. Such a great book tuned into
> dreck!
>
> "cjcampbell" > wrote in message
>
> oups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Mar 28, 6:37 am, "Jay Honeck" > wrote:
>
> > "Iron Eagle" and its sequels were awful. "Pearl Harbor" was worse.
> > "Flight Plan" has prompted boycotts by flight attendants and aviation
> > groups. "Mission Impossible II" was stupid and showed an abysmal lack
> > of knowledge about emergency oxygen systems. That "Airplane" movie
> > which was really a remake of "The Poseidon Adventure" where a
> > submerged Boeing 747 manages to keep air inside because of its
> > pressurization system is beyond the pale. I remember one movie where a
> > drunken baron pilot (possibly Mxs) took off and slammed into an
> > airliner. I think it was named "Final Approach" or something like
> > that. Another one (or maybe the same one) had an airplane lose
> > pressurization. It was represented that the owner of the airline was
> > cutting corners and had only installed enough "oxygen" to keep half
> > the people alive. Like "MI2" this flick had all the oxygen in stored
> > in huge tanks somewhere on the plane, as if it was a Space Shuttle or
> > something. Then various actors actually went on rants about how the
> > deregulated airlines all cut costs by not carrying enough oxygen for
> > all the passengers.
>
> > "Snakes on a Plane" is also a contender, as is "Air Force One." "Top
> > Gun" was infamous for its idiotic dialogue, "You can be my wing man
> > any time." "No, you can by MY wing man." Ugh.
>
> > Still, all of those considered, "Pearl Harbor" gets my vote as the
> > worst. Billed as historically accurate and carefully researched, I
> > don't think they got a single fact right.
>
> > I refuse to watch the "Flight of the Phoenix" remake. The original, of
> > course, is one of the greatest aviation movies of all time. I have
> > heard that the sequel is one of the worst.
>
> > I have not seen any of the "Turbulence" movies, either. Or "Executive
> > Decision," or "Airport 79," or "SST: Death Flight" (which reviewers
> > said made "Airport '79" look good), or "The Crowded Sky," or "Panic
> > in the Skies," or "Passenger 57" with Wesley Snipes, or many other bad
> > movies. So little time, so many bad movies.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I think FATE IS THE HUNTER the movie is so much better then the
book...Robert Stack and The Duke put in a First rate (in my view)
performance...

There are several worst movies that I have passed...there are many
that I have endured because I watched them....two that I have seen
come to mind...

The JOdi Foster Airbus flick was horrific (nice flight attendant
uniforms but that is it!) and The one where Erik Estrada and Kate
Jackson play flight attendants....Estrada "squeezing" through the E@E
hatch (?) in the 737 and then opening the baggage doors in flight to
kick out luggage was the kicker for me...

It is kind of like the movie where Sara Purcell played a kidnapped
heiress...the Atlanta Constitution said that her best lines came after
"she was gagged".

Yeah

Robert

[John[_9_]]

I just thought of another one I don't think I have seen mentioned.
The Hunters starring Robert Mitchum and Robert Wagner with Richard
Egan. Supposedly from the book by James Salter, this was real dreck.
I think in the climactic scene two F-86's deliberately force land in
order to save a downed pilot. The flying scenes were pretty good, I
think they used swept wing F-84's to simulate MiGs which was a pretty
good choice for the day. The story took leave of the novel about half
way through and never regained credibility.

It is a real shame since the novel was so good. I remember the novel
being about leadership and manhood and the definition of success as
well as grace under pressure and a glimpse into the lives of fighter
pilots at war.

John