A question from a lurker

[Richard]

I am not a pilot but have the greatest respect for those you are.

Most here wish to share their pleasure with non-pilots and I thank you for
your posts. But some wish to maintain an elitist group. Perhaps that elitist
behaviour reduces the support you may have from non-pilot members of the
community when facing the current FAA proposals.

The pilots I have met in New Zealand are respectful and always willing to
answer even stupid questions.

I was introduced to flight sim in 1998 by an airline pilot who had an
elaborate setup that he said improved his skills. I lost interest after a
year or so but he maintains an expensive, powerful system. Flight Sim is not
an evil threat to real aviation and may promote an empathy for real aviation
issues.

I am often interested in the answers to the questions of Mxsmaniac but the
elitists here would rather deride. There are probably other non-fliers
lurking who are too scared to ask for fear of getting the Mxsmaniac
treatment. Yes, I know he has offended some.

Do pilots follow the white lines on taxi-ways or swing wide as truck/trailer
drivers must do? Are they just a night aid?

Richard

[Jim Stewart]

Richard wrote:

> I am not a pilot but have the greatest respect for those you are.
>
> Most here wish to share their pleasure with non-pilots and I thank you for
> your posts. But some wish to maintain an elitist group. Perhaps that elitist
> behaviour reduces the support you may have from non-pilot members of the
> community when facing the current FAA proposals.
>
> The pilots I have met in New Zealand are respectful and always willing to
> answer even stupid questions.
>
> I was introduced to flight sim in 1998 by an airline pilot who had an
> elaborate setup that he said improved his skills. I lost interest after a
> year or so but he maintains an expensive, powerful system. Flight Sim is not
> an evil threat to real aviation and may promote an empathy for real aviation
> issues.
>
> I am often interested in the answers to the questions of Mxsmaniac but the
> elitists here would rather deride. There are probably other non-fliers
> lurking who are too scared to ask for fear of getting the Mxsmaniac
> treatment. Yes, I know he has offended some.

Most of the pilots here don't deride Mx because
he isn't, they deride him because he behaves like
a horse's ass. Pilot after pilot has offered him
sensible advice and he has turned it around into
a continual debate about things he knows nothing
or little about. He argues with the logic of a
6 year old and has about as much sense.

There's an art to asking questions. I've asked
several over at pprune, a forum for professional
airline pilots, and I've always got respectful
and informative answers. When Mx learns to ask
and followup the the same way, perhaps the people
here would be willing to answer his questions
seriously.

Another thing that grates on real pilots is that
Mx gives advise regarding flying real planes. He
has no experience, training or qualifications to
do that. It's the opinion of some of the pilots
here that this is a dangerous practice.

[[email protected]]

On Mar 31, 8:58 pm, "Richard" > wrote:
>
> Do pilots follow the white lines on taxi-ways or swing wide as truck/trailer
> drivers must do? Are they just a night aid?
>
I don't know what large aircraft do, but I keep my Cherokee nosewheel
glued to the yellow line (unless something is in the way, like a
snowbank, etc.)

(P.S. taxiway centerline is yellow)

[Dan Luke]

"Richard" wrote:
>
> I am often interested in the answers to the questions of Mxsmaniac but the
> elitists here would rather deride. There are probably other non-fliers
> lurking who are too scared to ask for fear of getting the Mxsmaniac
> treatment. Yes, I know he has offended some.

Mxmaniac is derided because he is an ignorant blowhard, not because he is a
non-pilot. Non-pilots with sincere questions or input are welcome here.

> Do pilots follow the white lines on taxi-ways or swing wide as truck/trailer
> drivers must do? Are they just a night aid?

The taxiway center lines are yellow. Pilots follow them except when
obstructions, traffic or the aircraft they are operating require otherwise.

--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

[Bob Noel]

In article >, "Richard" >
wrote:

> Do pilots follow the white lines on taxi-ways or swing wide as truck/trailer
> drivers must do? Are they just a night aid?

I follow the yellow taxiway centerline, unless doing shallow S-turns to
check the gyros and compass.

--
Bob Noel
(gave up looking for a particular sig the lawyer will hate)

[Peter R.]

On 3/31/2007 8:58:42 PM, "Richard" wrote:

> I am often interested in the answers to the questions of Mxsmaniac but the
> elitists here would rather deride. There are probably other non-fliers
> lurking who are too scared to ask for fear of getting the Mxsmaniac
> treatment. Yes, I know he has offended some.

You really need the full picture to make a more informed judgment. Using
Google groups, search for his moniker in just this newsgroup over the last
year and a half, which will bring you to his beginning here. Sort by date and
read a few months' worth of threads. You will soon see why so many have
abandoned him, and it has nothing to do the fact that he is a non-pilot
looking to have a few aviation questions answered.


--
Peter

[K Baum]

On Mar 31, 5:58 pm, "Richard" > wrote:
>
> Most here wish to share their pleasure with non-pilots and I thank you for
> your posts. But some wish to maintain an elitist group. Perhaps that elitist
> behaviour reduces the support you may have from non-pilot members of the
> community when facing the current FAA proposals.

Richard, I myself have lurked on this list on and off for years, and
it is your post that has compelled me to finally open an account and
post something.I am an experienced pilot and I found this site off of
a link from the homebuilt group.I have read posts on other usnet
groups pertaining to other pursiuts, and most all of them are very
civil and respectfull of one another.Then when I go to some of the
piloting related sites like this one, It is like the Jerry Springer
show.This is why I dont come here often. This group tends to bring out
the worst in people. It seems many people only post here to try to
show everyone how much they know. I have seen threads that run forever
with out logical answers, I have seen private pilots berate airline
guys, and there is a few imposters here as well. Part of the problem
is that aviation draws the type A or obsesive personality types. This
will make a guy a good pilot, but it can also make him an asshole. You
will see alot of this here.
>
> The pilots I have met in New Zealand are respectful and always willing to
> answer even stupid questions.

Not always so here in the states.I fly a small sportplane outside of
my job, and I sometimes have to laugh at the way I am treated by these
big Cessna and piper types. Many people are very respectful though,
and I have alot of respect for those who fly strictly for fun.
>
> I was introduced to flight sim in 1998 by an airline pilot who had an
> elaborate setup that he said improved his skills. I lost interest after a
> year or so but he maintains an expensive, powerful system. Flight Sim is not
> an evil threat to real aviation and may promote an empathy for real aviation
> issues.

Good for you. I horse around with PC sims myself and they can be a
valuble tool.

>
> Do pilots follow the white lines on taxi-ways or swing wide as truck/trailer
> drivers must do? Are they just a night aid?

To finally answer your question, They are used all the time (Day and
night). During SMGS operations (below 1200 RVR), some are marked with
with a "Judgemental oversteer" for the larger airplanes. All airport
markings are painted with reflective paint that has little chunks of
glass mixed in for reflectivity.
>
> Richard
Feel free to talk to your airline buddy if you have any further
questions because you probably wont get much help here. I will go back
to lurking. Good luck.

[Andrew Sarangan]

On Mar 31, 8:58 pm, "Richard" > wrote:
> I am not a pilot but have the greatest respect for those you are.
>
> Most here wish to share their pleasure with non-pilots and I thank you for
> your posts. But some wish to maintain an elitist group. Perhaps that elitist
> behaviour reduces the support you may have from non-pilot members of the
> community when facing the current FAA proposals.
>
> The pilots I have met in New Zealand are respectful and always willing to
> answer even stupid questions.
>
> I was introduced to flight sim in 1998 by an airline pilot who had an
> elaborate setup that he said improved his skills. I lost interest after a
> year or so but he maintains an expensive, powerful system. Flight Sim is not
> an evil threat to real aviation and may promote an empathy for real aviation
> issues.
>
> I am often interested in the answers to the questions of Mxsmaniac but the
> elitists here would rather deride. There are probably other non-fliers
> lurking who are too scared to ask for fear of getting the Mxsmaniac
> treatment. Yes, I know he has offended some.
>
> Do pilots follow the white lines on taxi-ways or swing wide as truck/trailer
> drivers must do? Are they just a night aid?
>
> Richard


I am glad you started your post with "I have the greatest respect for
pilots". That is exactly the right thing to say if you want help from
us. This is where Mxsmaniac failed. He never told us that we were
special people.

You are absolutely correct in your observation. Many pilots have
enlarged egos, and feel threatened when a nonpilot challenges their
aviation knowledge.

But please do not assume that all pilots are that way. There are some
of us who are more threatened by these people than by Mxsmaniac. But
we are not interested in taking a political stand, so we take the easy
way and give in to the bullies' demands. This is the reason Mxsmaniac
has not received many responses. The bullies have won. The sad part is
that people like yourself are going to assume that all pilots are
egoistic bullies.

[Bob Noel]

In article >,
"Peter R." > wrote:

> You really need the full picture to make a more informed judgment. Using
> Google groups, search for his moniker in just this newsgroup over the last
> year and a half, which will bring you to his beginning here.

actually, the troll began infesting rec.aviation back in 2001 or 2002.

--
Bob Noel
(gave up looking for a particular sig the lawyer will hate)

[Mxsmanic]

Jim Stewart writes:

> Most of the pilots here don't deride Mx because
> he isn't, they deride him because he behaves like
> a horse's ass. Pilot after pilot has offered him
> sensible advice and he has turned it around into
> a continual debate about things he knows nothing
> or little about. He argues with the logic of a
> 6 year old and has about as much sense.
>
> There's an art to asking questions. I've asked
> several over at pprune, a forum for professional
> airline pilots, and I've always got respectful
> and informative answers. When Mx learns to ask
> and followup the the same way, perhaps the people
> here would be willing to answer his questions
> seriously.
>
> Another thing that grates on real pilots is that
> Mx gives advise regarding flying real planes. He
> has no experience, training or qualifications to
> do that. It's the opinion of some of the pilots
> here that this is a dangerous practice.

Your reply talks only about Mxsmanic, but you never answered the question
about centerlines. I think that says a lot.

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

[Mxsmanic]

Andrew Sarangan writes:

> I am glad you started your post with "I have the greatest respect for
> pilots". That is exactly the right thing to say if you want help from
> us. This is where Mxsmaniac failed. He never told us that we were
> special people.

You aren't, so why should I? If you want someone to lick your boots, buy a
slave.

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

[Oz Lander[_2_]]

Richard wrote:

>
> I am often interested in the answers to the questions of Mxsmaniac
> but the elitists here would rather deride. There are probably other
> non-fliers lurking who are too scared to ask for fear of getting the
> Mxsmaniac treatment. Yes, I know he has offended some.

Mx gets the same treatment in the sim groups too.
He's just an idiot troll.
--
Oz Lander.
I'm not always right,
But I'm never wrong.

[BT]

or flying a tail dragger (conventional geared aircraft) and need to s turn
down the taxi way to make sure no one is in front of you, but then again..
you would not have a nose wheel with which to follow the stripe..

BT

"Bob Noel" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, "Richard"
> >
> wrote:
>
>> Do pilots follow the white lines on taxi-ways or swing wide as
>> truck/trailer
>> drivers must do? Are they just a night aid?
>
> I follow the yellow taxiway centerline, unless doing shallow S-turns to
> check the gyros and compass.
>
> --
> Bob Noel
> (gave up looking for a particular sig the lawyer will hate)
>

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Bob Noel" <> wrote >

> actually, the troll began infesting rec.aviation back in 2001 or 2002.

What was his screen name, back then?

This is news to me.
--
Jim in NC

[Peter Dohm]

> I am not a pilot but have the greatest respect for those you are.
>
I am not a pilot either, but I am a former student--and plan to return and
finish up in the foreseeable future.

> Most here wish to share their pleasure with non-pilots and I thank you for
> your posts. But some wish to maintain an elitist group. Perhaps that
elitist
> behaviour reduces the support you may have from non-pilot members of the
> community when facing the current FAA proposals.
>
> The pilots I have met in New Zealand are respectful and always willing to
> answer even stupid questions.
>
Same here. However, Mxsmanic has managed to infuriate a large number,
perhaps even a majority, of pilots, former pilots, future pilots, student
pilots, etc.

> I was introduced to flight sim in 1998 by an airline pilot who had an
> elaborate setup that he said improved his skills. I lost interest after a
> year or so but he maintains an expensive, powerful system. Flight Sim is
not
> an evil threat to real aviation and may promote an empathy for real
aviation
> issues.
>
Flight Simulators, including MSFS, are usefull tools--especially for
procedure training and practice. However, the low end simulators, such as
MSFS, do have some "interesting" limitations.

I recently had an opportunity to play with an MSFS setup, although I did not
have the oportunity to start by reading the manual or even asking some of
the most rudementary questions first. It only gradually became clear that
the aircraft was a Beechcraft King Air--so, of course, I crashed.

However, my point in mentioning my little comedy of errors is to illustrate
a limitation of the MSFS modeling. I believed, incorrectly, that I was
flying a trainer--and flew it much too slow. In fact, I was flying it in a
stalled condition; but the plane remained quite responsive in roll, and
steep turns didn't seem to affect it at all. I didn't spin it in, as I
richly deserved, but ... :-(

> I am often interested in the answers to the questions of Mxsmaniac but the
> elitists here would rather deride. There are probably other non-fliers
> lurking who are too scared to ask for fear of getting the Mxsmaniac
> treatment. Yes, I know he has offended some.
>
Some????

> Do pilots follow the white lines on taxi-ways or swing wide as
truck/trailer
> drivers must do? Are they just a night aid?
>
> Richard
>
>
Most of us, here and on R.A.S, either fly or flew small aircraft--where the
pilot sits approximately on the CG and the wheelbase is quite short.
Therefore, our primary concern is wing tip clearange on the parking ramp.

Much larger and heavier aircraft may have an additional need to keep the
wheels on the full strength portion of the pavement--which may or may not be
the entire paved surface. A study of airport markings and signage is in
order, and some may vary with location--for example, taxiway center lines in
the USA are yellow.

There are pilots here who fly large aircraft, and who therefore know the
correct procedures for taxiing, but they may be too annoyed to respond since
they would be instructing Mxsmanic as well. IMHO, they are correct, since
everyone who has reason to move large aircraft has access to specific
instruction.

As a little added background, Richard, you are undoubtedly aware that one of
the MSFS views allows you to watch as an observer following behind your
aircraft. It is rather obvious that you know who was taxiing his private
737 that way in the similar thread, unless he has moved up to something
bigger.

Remember my most important point: I doubt that anyone here actually flies
large aircraft unless they are paid to do so!

Peter

[Pixel Dent]

In article >,
"Richard" > wrote:

The issues with MX have little to do with the fact that he's not a pilot
and a lot to do with the fact that he has poor manners. In the beginning
I tried to answer his questions with pointers to the applicable FARs and
suggestions for further reading and he was rude in response. Heck with
him.

>
> Do pilots follow the white lines on taxi-ways or swing wide as truck/trailer
> drivers must do? Are they just a night aid?

I don't know of any FAR that requires them to be followed. I've been to
plenty of airports that didn't have any lights or markings for the
taxi-ways, and some that didn't have taxi-ways.

At larger airports they often have reflectors along the center line to
make them more visible so at those I'll taxi slightly left of the center
line so my nose wheel doesn't go "thump thump thump" as it hits the
reflectors.

I took my PP check ride on a very windy day and the examiner himself
recommended taxiing on the upwind side of the crowned taxi-way in windy
conditions to improve handling and to keep the upwind wing from lifting.

[Jim Logajan]

"Morgans" > wrote:
> "Bob Noel" <> wrote >
>
>> actually, the troll began infesting rec.aviation back in 2001 or 2002.
>
> What was his screen name, back then?
>
> This is news to me.

Same as it is today, actually.

[Blanche]

For the most part, we keep the nose wheel on the center line to
avoid any obstacles to the sides of the runway. On a taxiway,
and on the ramp, the center line is *supposed* to ensure that
the wings do not hit any obstacles, such as parked aircraft,
trees, etc. If you have the opportunity to listen to airport
weather reports (ATIS) shortly after a snowstorm, you may hear
a warning about "snow dirfts" or such 24 inch or higher. High wing
aircraft don't have as much to worry about since the wings are
5-8 feet above ground, depending on the aircraft.

[Jim Logajan]

"Richard" > wrote:
> I am not a pilot but have the greatest respect for those you are.

I am not a pilot either but try to respect everyone - pilot or not. It is
only when I get to know a particular individual that I may lose respect for
that one person. Or I may gain even more respect for that person.

> I am often interested in the answers to the questions of Mxsmaniac but
> the elitists here would rather deride. There are probably other
> non-fliers lurking who are too scared to ask for fear of getting the
> Mxsmaniac treatment. Yes, I know he has offended some.

As a non-flier I do not use the Usenet groups as a primary source of
information of flying. It is great, though, for getting pointers to where
to find authoritative information and some of the stories and posts do
provide concepts to ponder over that help cement the knowledge gained
elsewhere. Or cause me to re-think and re-investigate things I thought I
learned correctly!

[Blanche]

Mxsmanic > wrote:
>Andrew Sarangan writes:
>
>> I am glad you started your post with "I have the greatest respect for
>> pilots". That is exactly the right thing to say if you want help from
>> us. This is where Mxsmaniac failed. He never told us that we were
>> special people.
>
>You aren't, so why should I? If you want someone to lick your boots, buy a
>slave.

(Another straight line too good to pass up...)

So, Anthony, what's your going price these days?

Rats, I just packed away all the winter gear, including the boots.

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Richard;
No offense meant here, but you might want to research this matter just a bit
more before reaching any final conclusions about elitists on these groups.
There might be a few here and there, but this really isn't the problem
concerning this specific issue.
Dudley Henriques

"Richard" > wrote in message
...
>I am not a pilot but have the greatest respect for those you are.
>
> Most here wish to share their pleasure with non-pilots and I thank you for
> your posts. But some wish to maintain an elitist group. Perhaps that
> elitist behaviour reduces the support you may have from non-pilot members
> of the community when facing the current FAA proposals.
>
> The pilots I have met in New Zealand are respectful and always willing to
> answer even stupid questions.
>
> I was introduced to flight sim in 1998 by an airline pilot who had an
> elaborate setup that he said improved his skills. I lost interest after a
> year or so but he maintains an expensive, powerful system. Flight Sim is
> not an evil threat to real aviation and may promote an empathy for real
> aviation issues.
>
> I am often interested in the answers to the questions of Mxsmaniac but the
> elitists here would rather deride. There are probably other non-fliers
> lurking who are too scared to ask for fear of getting the Mxsmaniac
> treatment. Yes, I know he has offended some.
>
> Do pilots follow the white lines on taxi-ways or swing wide as
> truck/trailer drivers must do? Are they just a night aid?
>
> Richard
>
>
>

[Cirrus]

Hi Richard,
Usually pilots keep the nosewheel on the centerline, unless there is
reason not to. Some of the posters here brought up good reasons not to
stay on center. One thing that I don't think has been mentioned is
that sometimes ATC makes the decision for you . An example would be
when two aircraft are comeing toward eachother on the same taxiway.
The dialog often goes something like this:

"Cessna 123, Somewhere Ground Control, remain to the right side of
taxiway A , watch for the Caravan approaching you"
"Cessna 123, staying to the right."

The wording can vary quite a bit, to include moving for vehicles,
equipment, new taxi clearances, etc. I also realize, obviously, (and
as mentioned by other posters) that even if ATC isn't involved or on
the field airplanes tend to steer around one another and go off the
taxi centerline :)

Nice meeting you Richard. We aren't all bad mannered pilots here,
please post and hopefully you will get the answers you need. Don't let
the few turds around here keep you away- I don't post much, but there
are some really great people in this group.

Jamie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_2_]]

"Richard" > wrote in
:

> I am not a pilot but have the greatest respect for those you are.
>
> Most here wish to share their pleasure with non-pilots and I thank you
> for your posts. But some wish to maintain an elitist group. Perhaps
> that elitist behaviour reduces the support you may have from non-pilot
> members of the community when facing the current FAA proposals.
>
> The pilots I have met in New Zealand are respectful and always willing
> to answer even stupid questions.
>
> I was introduced to flight sim in 1998 by an airline pilot who had an
> elaborate setup that he said improved his skills. I lost interest
> after a year or so but he maintains an expensive, powerful system.
> Flight Sim is not an evil threat to real aviation and may promote an
> empathy for real aviation issues.
>
> I am often interested in the answers to the questions of Mxsmaniac but
> the elitists here would rather deride. There are probably other
> non-fliers lurking who are too scared to ask for fear of getting the
> Mxsmaniac treatment. Yes, I know he has offended some.
>
> Do pilots follow the white lines on taxi-ways or swing wide as
> truck/trailer drivers must do? Are they just a night aid?
>
> Richard


Oow Sock puppet time!

Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_2_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Jim Stewart writes:
>
>> Most of the pilots here don't deride Mx because
>> he isn't, they deride him because he behaves like
>> a horse's ass. Pilot after pilot has offered him
>> sensible advice and he has turned it around into
>> a continual debate about things he knows nothing
>> or little about. He argues with the logic of a
>> 6 year old and has about as much sense.
>>
>> There's an art to asking questions. I've asked
>> several over at pprune, a forum for professional
>> airline pilots, and I've always got respectful
>> and informative answers. When Mx learns to ask
>> and followup the the same way, perhaps the people
>> here would be willing to answer his questions
>> seriously.
>>
>> Another thing that grates on real pilots is that
>> Mx gives advise regarding flying real planes. He
>> has no experience, training or qualifications to
>> do that. It's the opinion of some of the pilots
>> here that this is a dangerous practice.
>
> Your reply talks only about Mxsmanic, but you never answered the
question
> about centerlines. I think that says a lot.


Bwawhahwhahwhahhwhahwhahwhahwhahhwhahwhahwhhahw!

About you, fjukktard


bertie

[Richard]

"K Baum" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>big snip>
> Feel free to talk to your airline buddy if you have any further
> questions because you probably wont get much help here. I will go back
> to lurking. Good luck.
>

Thanks for your reply. The airline pilot was a friend of a friend. He lost
his job during an airline failure a year ago and went overseas to work. We
have lost track of him.The question was not something I had thought of until
I saw it here.

[Richard]

"Richard" > wrote in message
...
>I am not a pilot but have the greatest respect for those you are.
>
Well that was painless. Thank you all for your replies. I will return to
lurking.

[Jim Macklin]

It depends on the aircraft size, location and turning radius
of the main wheels and the nose wheel. Often on a large
aircraft the nose wheel must be taken beyond the beginning
of a turn in order that the inside main wheel does not drop
off the pavement.
On an aircraft such as a 747, the nose wheel is well behind
the pilot so judging these turns id the harder part of
learning to fly such outsized aircraft. In the air, they
all handle very much the same.



--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

"Richard" > wrote in message
...
|I am not a pilot but have the greatest respect for those
you are.
|
| Most here wish to share their pleasure with non-pilots and
I thank you for
| your posts. But some wish to maintain an elitist group.
Perhaps that elitist
| behaviour reduces the support you may have from non-pilot
members of the
| community when facing the current FAA proposals.
|
| The pilots I have met in New Zealand are respectful and
always willing to
| answer even stupid questions.
|
| I was introduced to flight sim in 1998 by an airline pilot
who had an
| elaborate setup that he said improved his skills. I lost
interest after a
| year or so but he maintains an expensive, powerful system.
Flight Sim is not
| an evil threat to real aviation and may promote an empathy
for real aviation
| issues.
|
| I am often interested in the answers to the questions of
Mxsmaniac but the
| elitists here would rather deride. There are probably
other non-fliers
| lurking who are too scared to ask for fear of getting the
Mxsmaniac
| treatment. Yes, I know he has offended some.
|
| Do pilots follow the white lines on taxi-ways or swing
wide as truck/trailer
| drivers must do? Are they just a night aid?
|
| Richard
|
|
|

[Tauno Voipio]

Richard wrote:
> I am not a pilot but have the greatest respect for those you are.
>
> Most here wish to share their pleasure with non-pilots and I thank you for
> your posts. But some wish to maintain an elitist group. Perhaps that elitist
> behaviour reduces the support you may have from non-pilot members of the
> community when facing the current FAA proposals.
>
> The pilots I have met in New Zealand are respectful and always willing to
> answer even stupid questions.
>
> I was introduced to flight sim in 1998 by an airline pilot who had an
> elaborate setup that he said improved his skills. I lost interest after a
> year or so but he maintains an expensive, powerful system. Flight Sim is not
> an evil threat to real aviation and may promote an empathy for real aviation
> issues.
>
> I am often interested in the answers to the questions of Mxsmaniac but the
> elitists here would rather deride. There are probably other non-fliers
> lurking who are too scared to ask for fear of getting the Mxsmaniac
> treatment. Yes, I know he has offended some.
>
> Do pilots follow the white lines on taxi-ways or swing wide as truck/trailer
> drivers must do? Are they just a night aid?

The yellow line is positioned so that even the largest aircraft
for the taxiway are safe if the nosewheel runs on the line.

My instructor told to keep the yellow line under my right
knee (when sitting in the left seat). This rule works for
smallest Cessnas to at least middle-size airliners. For
the largest airliners the crew has to take into account
that they are sitting several meters forward of the nosewheel.

--

Tauno Voipio
tauno voipio (at) iki fi

[Thomas Borchert]

Richard,

> I am often interested in the answers to the questions of Mxsmaniac but the
> elitists here would rather deride. There are probably other non-fliers
> lurking who are too scared to ask for fear of getting the Mxsmaniac
> treatment. Yes, I know he has offended some.
>

Well, if they are, they haven't really been paying attention. The MX problem
has nothing to do with elitism. And everything with offending people, as you
say yourself. Why should someone that offensive and non-social expect to get
any help from a group of people? If you look at the early MX threads, you can
see how he was welcomed with open arms and great answers. Look what he has
turned that into. Elitism? Bah, humbug!

Anyone interested in flying is very welcome here, as can be witnessed by
countless threads over the years. Anyone being as narcistic, egoistic and
plain nuts as MX will experience the social forces of any group of humans.
The full forces...

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Thomas Borchert]

Richard,

> Well that was painless. Thank you all for your replies. I will return to
> lurking.
>

Hopefully you have also taken away that answers are real easy to come by
here for non-pilots - and that there's nothing elitist in this group. It's
all about this one misbehaving person.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Bob Noel]

In article >,
"Morgans" > wrote:

> > actually, the troll began infesting rec.aviation back in 2001 or 2002.
>
> What was his screen name, back then?

Mxsmanic

my filter list shows it from 6/17/02

--
Bob Noel
(gave up looking for a particular sig the lawyer will hate)

[B A R R Y]

On Sun, 1 Apr 2007 12:58:40 +1200, "Richard" >
wrote:
>
>Do pilots follow the white lines on taxi-ways or swing wide as truck/trailer
>drivers must do?

Depends on the aircraft. Some, like the 757, have the nose gear so
far behind the flight deck that the crew must adapt. They allow the
nose to travel well beyond the centerline when turning. On small
aircraft, the nose is simply kept on the line.

Centerlines are simply an aid to keep you to the center of the
pavement, helping to ensure clearance to the sides. In some
circumstances, such as taxiing between rows of parked aircraft, a
centerline makes maintaining equal clearance to the sides much easier
than trying to judge inconsistent edges. Each pilot must learn where
the centerline falls in the field of vision on a particular aircraft.
Some tail draggers need to swerve back and forth, as the pilot has
poor forward vision with the tail on the ground.

When snowbanks are present, all bets are off.

> Are they just a night aid?

Not at all.

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Bob Noel" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Morgans" > wrote:
>
>> > actually, the troll began infesting rec.aviation back in 2001 or 2002.
>>
>> What was his screen name, back then?
>
> Mxsmanic
>
> my filter list shows it from 6/17/02

I'll be! I didn't recall that ever becoming a problem.
--
Jim in NC

[Morgans[_2_]]

"B A R R Y" <> wrote

> Depends on the aircraft. Some, like the 757, have the nose gear so
> far behind the flight deck that the crew must adapt. They allow the
> nose to travel well beyond the centerline when turning. On small
> aircraft, the nose is simply kept on the line.

You know, a humorous thought just occurred to me.

A small camera and wireless transmitter, along with a wireless receiver and
LCD screen to match, is now available as a back-up aid for people not
comfortable backing up large cars and vans. All this for less than $100!

Something like that would make a lot of sense for a big airliner, wouldn't
it? <g>

I suppose a pilot could get one of those and a little duct tape, and fasten
it on the nose gear leg before he took off, HuH? <G>
--
Jim in NC

[Mxsmanic]

K Baum writes:

> To finally answer your question, They are used all the time (Day and
> night). During SMGS operations (below 1200 RVR), some are marked with
> with a "Judgemental oversteer" for the larger airplanes.

Excellent! Finally a useful answer. Thanks!

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

[K Baum]

On Mar 31, 8:48 pm, "Peter Dohm" > wrote:

>
> There are pilots here who fly large aircraft, and who therefore know the
> correct procedures for taxiing, but they may be too annoyed to respond since
> they would be instructing Mxsmanic as well. IMHO, they are correct, since
> everyone who has reason to move large aircraft has access to specific
> instruction.

Peter, this is a very insightful post you have made. You are wise
beyond your experience level. You are the only one so far who has made
reference to what we call the load bearing surface of taxiways. The
main reason for overstearing is to keep the MLG on this load bearing
surface.At smaller airports, it also keeps the engines over the
taxiway where there is less FOD, snowbanks, etc..
I have to respectfully disagree with you on the MX issue. He is only
one poster, and is easily ignored. The problem is all the other self
appointed aviation experts on this list that chase most experienced
people off. A good case in point is a thread I saw a few months ago
about an airline crew experiencing a near midair. This story was
obviously fabricated (The OP later admited it was), and yet the people
who pointed this out were flamed by the self appointed experts, some
even AFTER the OP admited the story was embelished. Another good
example is the threads dealing with aerodynamics. Here is where alot
of the EXPERTS beleager stuff well beyond the point of anything having
to do with the actual flying of an aircraft. When someone DOES post a
correct answer, the experts often ignore it and just keep on arguing.
For kicks I have looked at the "View Profile" function and this makes
it easy to see if a guy has ever had anything useful to add.Sadly, it
is these types who make people decide that they have better things to
do with their time.
Hope you get back to it soon.
KB

>
> Peter

[Kev]

On Mar 31, 8:58 pm, "Richard" > wrote:
> I am often interested in the answers to the questions of Mxsmaniac but the
> elitists here would rather deride. There are probably other non-fliers
> lurking who are too scared to ask for fear of getting the Mxsmaniac
> treatment. Yes, I know he has offended some.

The main problem is that some self-centered jerks feel that it's
necessary to deride every one of his questions, even _before_ there
are any responses from others, or from him to others.

The people who do that, are not what I'd consider "real pilots" any
more than I consider the people on technical forums who act like know-
it-alls, as real gurus.

Then, of course, you have the rednecks and real trolls who'll bash him
no matter what, because they see him as an easy target. Coward is
another word for those types.

Kev

[K Baum]

On Apr 1, 7:31 am, "Kev" > wrote:
>
> Then, of course, you have the rednecks >

Kev, we prefer the term "Applachian Americans"
> Kev

[john smith[_2_]]

In article >,
"Richard" > wrote:

> Do pilots follow the white lines on taxi-ways or swing wide as truck/trailer
> drivers must do? Are they just a night aid?

It depends on what you are taxing.

If I am flying a Champ or a Cub from the back seat, I will do S-turns,
wandering back and forth across the taxiway centerline to see what is
out in front of me.

If I am flying a tricycle gear airplane and the centerline follows an
uneven seam in the pavement, I will taxi to one side or the other of the
line to spare my nosegear. If the pavement is smooth, I follow the
centerline.

[AJ]

On Mar 31, 9:32 pm, wrote:
> On Mar 31, 8:58 pm, "Richard" > wrote:
> I don't know what large aircraft do, but I keep my Cherokee nosewheel
> glued to the yellow line (unless something is in the way, like a
> snowbank, etc.)

I know some pilots who wouldn't let that small detail stop them. <G>

AJ

[Kev]

On Apr 1, 8:26 am, "Morgans" > wrote:
> You know, a humorous thought just occurred to me.
>
> A small camera and wireless transmitter, along with a wireless receiver and
> LCD screen to match, is now available as a back-up aid for people not
> comfortable backing up large cars and vans. All this for less than $100!
>
> Something like that would make a lot of sense for a big airliner, wouldn't
> it? <g> [on front wheels]

Hey, not so funny an idea! What about a camera for tailwheel
aircraft to see out front?? That way, they wouldn't have to do s-
turns, and they could avoid some horrible accidents.

You might just have a money-maker, Jim!

Kev

[Bertie the Bunyip[_2_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> K Baum writes:
>
>> To finally answer your question, They are used all the time (Day and
>> night). During SMGS operations (below 1200 RVR), some are marked with
>> with a "Judgemental oversteer" for the larger airplanes.
>
> Excellent! Finally a useful answer. Thanks!

Why, are you going to fly an airplane?

Otherwise it's not a useful answer for you since you can't hurt anything
banging electrons together.


Fjukkkwit



Bertie

[Bob Noel]

In article . com>,
"Kev" > wrote:

> > A small camera and wireless transmitter, along with a wireless receiver and
> > LCD screen to match, is now available as a back-up aid for people not
> > comfortable backing up large cars and vans. All this for less than $100!
> >
> > Something like that would make a lot of sense for a big airliner, wouldn't
> > it? <g> [on front wheels]
>
> Hey, not so funny an idea! What about a camera for tailwheel
> aircraft to see out front?? That way, they wouldn't have to do s-
> turns, and they could avoid some horrible accidents.
>

Wasn't this idea discussed in great detail following the accident where a
warbird ran over a homebuilt at OSH last year?

--
Bob Noel
(gave up looking for a particular sig the lawyer will hate)

[Newps]

8:26 am, "Morgans" > wrote:
>
>
>>
>>A small camera and wireless transmitter, along with a wireless receiver and
>>LCD screen to match, is now available as a back-up aid for people not
>>comfortable backing up large cars and vans. All this for less than $100!


Where might I find one of these?

[Peter Dohm]

>
> > > A small camera and wireless transmitter, along with a wireless
receiver and
> > > LCD screen to match, is now available as a back-up aid for people not
> > > comfortable backing up large cars and vans. All this for less than
$100!
> > >
> > > Something like that would make a lot of sense for a big airliner,
wouldn't
> > > it? <g> [on front wheels]
> >
> > Hey, not so funny an idea! What about a camera for tailwheel
> > aircraft to see out front?? That way, they wouldn't have to do s-
> > turns, and they could avoid some horrible accidents.
> >
>
> Wasn't this idea discussed in great detail following the accident where a
> warbird ran over a homebuilt at OSH last year?
>
Yes. It was politely, but soundly, debunked be the only experienced warbird
pilot who regularly posts here.

[Peter Dohm]

>
> >
> > There are pilots here who fly large aircraft, and who therefore know the
> > correct procedures for taxiing, but they may be too annoyed to respond
since
> > they would be instructing Mxsmanic as well. IMHO, they are correct,
since
> > everyone who has reason to move large aircraft has access to specific
> > instruction.
>
> Peter, this is a very insightful post you have made. You are wise
> beyond your experience level. You are the only one so far who has made
> reference to what we call the load bearing surface of taxiways. The
> main reason for overstearing is to keep the MLG on this load bearing
> surface.At smaller airports, it also keeps the engines over the
> taxiway where there is less FOD, snowbanks, etc..
> I have to respectfully disagree with you on the MX issue. He is only
> one poster, and is easily ignored. The problem is all the other self
> appointed aviation experts on this list that chase most experienced
> people off. A good case in point is a thread I saw a few months ago
> about an airline crew experiencing a near midair. This story was
> obviously fabricated (The OP later admited it was), and yet the people
> who pointed this out were flamed by the self appointed experts, some
> even AFTER the OP admited the story was embelished. Another good
> example is the threads dealing with aerodynamics. Here is where alot
> of the EXPERTS beleager stuff well beyond the point of anything having
> to do with the actual flying of an aircraft. When someone DOES post a
> correct answer, the experts often ignore it and just keep on arguing.
> For kicks I have looked at the "View Profile" function and this makes
> it easy to see if a guy has ever had anything useful to add.Sadly, it
> is these types who make people decide that they have better things to
> do with their time.
> Hope you get back to it soon.
> KB
>
>
I had completely forgotten the infamous exploding transformer case. As a
former avionics tech, I must say that story had more holes than a large
block of Lorraine Swiss Cheese!

Thanks for the complement, and I will get back to flying as soon as
practical.

Peter

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Bob Noel" > wrote

> Wasn't this idea discussed in great detail following the accident where a
> warbird ran over a homebuilt at OSH last year?

Same idea, different function. That was for taildraggers who could not see
over their nose. This suggestion is for heavy metal that have the pilot way
up, and ahead of the nosewheel.

It is surprising that the major aircraft makers don't include something like
this, for a few ten thousand dollars option. <g>
--
Jim in NC

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Newps" > wrote in message
. ..
>
>
> 8:26 am, "Morgans" > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>A small camera and wireless transmitter, along with a wireless receiver
>>>and
>>>LCD screen to match, is now available as a back-up aid for people not
>>>comfortable backing up large cars and vans. All this for less than $100!
>
>
> Where might I find one of these?

Wal-Mart, for one. It is billed as a license plate backup camera, or
something like that. It fits right over the plate bolt holes.

My son got one for easy hook-up of trailer towing. It works!
--
Jim in NC

[ManhattanMan]

Morgans wrote:
>
> Wal-Mart, for one. It is billed as a license plate backup camera, or
> something like that. It fits right over the plate bolt holes.
>
> My son got one for easy hook-up of trailer towing. It works!

Best thing is it doesn't have to be HD or even SD, just so you have an
identifiable image. You can get a CMOS camera w/audio that transmits on
2.4GHz to a matching receiver, that has a/v outputs, for about $50, ordered
from Hong Kong on eBay. OK, laugh, I got one, and it works!! Just be
forewarned that you do NOT wack of the oversized coaxial connector to the
transmitter/camera that connects to a 9V battery, because that also has a 5V
regulator built in - which the assholes don't tell you, so if you downsize
to a resonable sized set of plugs, the camera gets fried... Don't ask....
Anyway, it is very easy to have a ultra compact, cheap video camera these
days... The most expensive item is the monitor, and even then you're
talking <$100..

[cjcampbell]

On Mar 31, 5:58 pm, "Richard" > wrote:
> I am not a pilot but have the greatest respect for those you are.
>
> Most here wish to share their pleasure with non-pilots and I thank you for
> your posts. But some wish to maintain an elitist group.

Actually, most of us would do almost anything to get more people
flying and interested in aviation. We have little tolerance, however,
for jerks.

> The pilots I have met in New Zealand are respectful and always willing to
> answer even stupid questions.
>

That is because most pilots remember when they were first learning.

> I was introduced to flight sim in 1998 by an airline pilot who had an
> elaborate setup that he said improved his skills. I lost interest after a
> year or so but he maintains an expensive, powerful system. Flight Sim is not
> an evil threat to real aviation and may promote an empathy for real aviation
> issues.
>

No, it is not an evil threat. However, neither does proficiency at
flight simulation mean that you can fly a real airplane, as Anthony
claims.

> I am often interested in the answers to the questions of Mxsmaniac but the
> elitists here would rather deride. There are probably other non-fliers
> lurking who are too scared to ask for fear of getting the Mxsmaniac
> treatment. Yes, I know he has offended some.
>

When he says that he knows more than the real pilots and attacks
knowledge that we have taken years to accumulate, we tend to be
offended, yes.

> Do pilots follow the white lines on taxi-ways or swing wide as truck/trailer
> drivers must do? Are they just a night aid?
>

In the US, the lines on taxiways are yellow. You try to keep them
centered (no driving on the left or right), but of course if you have
to swing wide to make a turn you do that. Airplanes are surprisingly
maneuverable on the ground and many can turn practically in their own
length. Most, of course, cannot back up. The center line marks a clear
path that is supposed to allow you to taxi free of obstructions on
both sides. Naturally, a yellow line through a ramp designed for
Cessnas might not leave enough room for a passenger jet, so it is
still up to the pilot to make sure his wingtips are clear of
obstacles. Besides, an improperly parked plane or a fuel truck (or,
heck, even a bear -- don't laugh, it happens) could also encroach on
the 'safe' zone, so even though there is a yellow line you still have
to watch where you are going. :-)

[Morgans[_2_]]

"ManhattanMan" > wrote

> Anyway, it is very easy to have a ultra compact, cheap video camera these
> days... The most expensive item is the monitor, and even then you're
> talking <$100..

His sseeteup has a good sized monitor, with it. Here is the link:

<http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=4744711#Item+Description>

I'm not quite sure what or how you managed to fry yours. Try again at an
explanation?
--
Jim in NC

[Judah]

"Andrew Sarangan" > wrote in
ups.com:

> I am glad you started your post with "I have the greatest respect for
> pilots". That is exactly the right thing to say if you want help from
> us. This is where Mxsmaniac failed. He never told us that we were
> special people.

I think you are creating a wrong impression here. From my observations of
your postings in the past, I don't believe it is intentional.

It's not necessary for a non-pilot to announce that he has respect for
pilots before we will answer his questions. The problem is not that Manic
didn't tell us we are special, the problem is that he specifically
disrespects pilots as a group (in a manner that sometimes reminds me of a
racial bigot), and frequently belittles anyone who tries to assist him in
answering his questions.

I should admit that I do in fact believe that I am unique and special. I
believe nearly all people in the world are unique and special. Learning to
fly an airplane safely and demonstrating it to the point that my government
acknowledges it is certainly an accomplishment that I am proud of. But I
have achieved many accomplishments in my life for which I am proud, and
even some for which I am not. No single success or failure in itself
defines me as unique and special. It is all of my traits and experiences
that make me unique and special, and that have allowed me to accomplish the
specific feats that I have and will during my lifetime.

So while I certainly appreciate it when someone else expresses it,
admiration of me is not a prerequisite for me offering respect and courtesy
to another, especially to someone who genuinely wants my advice or help.
Perhaps I am unusually altruistic, but I don't think so. Usenet is defined
by people who would seem to behave the same way.

OTOH, some people are insecure about their being unique and special. So
they put down someone else's accomplishments in order to make their own
seem "better". I believe Manic falls into this category. And I believe some
of the people who treat Manic badly do too. Others are treating Manic that
way because they feel it is the only way to protect the friendly R.A.P.
atmosphere that they value. They do not realize that the unfortunate result
is that they are perpetuating some of the myths that Manic is attempting to
spread. It's not completely their fault - they just can't see clearly.

But the OP should not assume that the ugly Manic threads are representative
of pilot's attitudes toward non-pilots in general. I don't know any pilots
who wouldn't gladly give a non-pilot stranger who expressed interest a tour
of their aircraft. Even those who might not offer a ride because of the
liability fears would at least be willing to show how the plane works on
the ground, and encourage the person to get a low-cost intro flight and
"catch the bug".

We tried to do that for Manic, and he essentially spat in our faces and
told us we are elitist snobs who don't know anything about flying. Many
have not reacted well, and Manic is an expert instigator.

But it's not the typical RAP conversation.

[d.g.s.]

On 4/1/2007 7:07 PM Judah jumped down, turned around, and wrote:

> [...]
>
> We tried to do that for Manic, and he essentially spat in our faces and
> told us we are elitist snobs who don't know anything about flying. Many
> have not reacted well, and Manic is an expert instigator.
>
> But it's not the typical RAP conversation.

There is a solution that is simple, quick, and effective.

Use the killfile (or "filter") feature of your newsreader. Anthony's
not much for nym-shifting, and once the answers to his posts dry up
completely, he'll no longer spend time here. He'll find another forum
in which to demonstrate his rather unique, um, "people skills."
--
dgs

[Judah]

"d.g.s." > wrote in news:57bb1fF2c07jlU1
@mid.individual.net:

> Use the killfile (or "filter") feature of your newsreader. Anthony's
> not much for nym-shifting, and once the answers to his posts dry up
> completely, he'll no longer spend time here. He'll find another forum
> in which to demonstrate his rather unique, um, "people skills."

Certainly that solves the problem for me, and for anyone else who killfiles
him. However, it doesn't eliminate the blemish that is left on this group by
the people who repeatedly demonstrate conduct unbecoming a gentleman in their
attempts to silence him.

[Maxwell]

"Judah" > wrote in message
. ..
> "Andrew Sarangan" > wrote in
> ups.com:
>
>> I am glad you started your post with "I have the greatest respect for
>> pilots". That is exactly the right thing to say if you want help from
>> us. This is where Mxsmaniac failed. He never told us that we were
>> special people.
>
> I think you are creating a wrong impression here. From my observations of
> your postings in the past, I don't believe it is intentional.
>
> It's not necessary for a non-pilot to announce that he has respect for
> pilots before we will answer his questions. The problem is not that Manic
> didn't tell us we are special, the problem is that he specifically
> disrespects pilots as a group (in a manner that sometimes reminds me of a
> racial bigot), and frequently belittles anyone who tries to assist him in
> answering his questions.
>
> I should admit that I do in fact believe that I am unique and special. I
> believe nearly all people in the world are unique and special. Learning to
> fly an airplane safely and demonstrating it to the point that my
> government
> acknowledges it is certainly an accomplishment that I am proud of. But I
> have achieved many accomplishments in my life for which I am proud, and
> even some for which I am not. No single success or failure in itself
> defines me as unique and special. It is all of my traits and experiences
> that make me unique and special, and that have allowed me to accomplish
> the
> specific feats that I have and will during my lifetime.
>
> So while I certainly appreciate it when someone else expresses it,
> admiration of me is not a prerequisite for me offering respect and
> courtesy
> to another, especially to someone who genuinely wants my advice or help.
> Perhaps I am unusually altruistic, but I don't think so. Usenet is defined
> by people who would seem to behave the same way.
>
> OTOH, some people are insecure about their being unique and special. So
> they put down someone else's accomplishments in order to make their own
> seem "better". I believe Manic falls into this category. And I believe
> some
> of the people who treat Manic badly do too. Others are treating Manic that
> way because they feel it is the only way to protect the friendly R.A.P.
> atmosphere that they value. They do not realize that the unfortunate
> result
> is that they are perpetuating some of the myths that Manic is attempting
> to
> spread. It's not completely their fault - they just can't see clearly.
>
> But the OP should not assume that the ugly Manic threads are
> representative
> of pilot's attitudes toward non-pilots in general. I don't know any pilots
> who wouldn't gladly give a non-pilot stranger who expressed interest a
> tour
> of their aircraft. Even those who might not offer a ride because of the
> liability fears would at least be willing to show how the plane works on
> the ground, and encourage the person to get a low-cost intro flight and
> "catch the bug".
>
> We tried to do that for Manic, and he essentially spat in our faces and
> told us we are elitist snobs who don't know anything about flying. Many
> have not reacted well, and Manic is an expert instigator.
>
> But it's not the typical RAP conversation.

Good job, and very well put.

I have had a good bit of experience on the Usenet in a number of different
groups, and never had to _stroke_ anyone, anywhere, to gather a lot of
really good information. And my experience here on RAP has certainly been no
different.

I have seen so many productive threads here, with no regard for who was or
was not actually a pilot, that I refuse to believe 95% of the PILOTS here
even care. The only time actual experience it questioned, is when someone
continues to pass out bad information or opinion, and Anthony insists on
doing both. As well as deliberately trying to irritate people that try to
help him in the mean time. Simply because they have to disagree with his
limited understanding of aviation beyond the limits of simulation.

[Maxwell]

"d.g.s." > wrote in message
...
> On 4/1/2007 7:07 PM Judah jumped down, turned around, and wrote:
>
>> [...]
>>
>> We tried to do that for Manic, and he essentially spat in our faces and
>> told us we are elitist snobs who don't know anything about flying. Many
>> have not reacted well, and Manic is an expert instigator. But it's not
>> the typical RAP conversation.
>
> There is a solution that is simple, quick, and effective.
>
> Use the killfile (or "filter") feature of your newsreader. Anthony's
> not much for nym-shifting, and once the answers to his posts dry up
> completely, he'll no longer spend time here. He'll find another forum
> in which to demonstrate his rather unique, um, "people skills."
> --

It would be nice if the answer were indeed that simple, but it's not. As
long as we have new comers, and let's hope we always do, Anthony will
continue to feed on them, and frustrate them.

Trolls have eliminated so much experience from our ranks, the actual damage
will never be known. So many very experienced people have disappeared
because of the irritation of children and child like behavior, that all the
groups I monitor continue to degrade every year. And kill files have been
around for a long time.

[Mxsmanic]

Maxwell writes:

> So many very experienced people have disappeared
> because of the irritation of children and child like behavior ...

Some people are immature despite experience. They just need to grow up.

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

[Maxwell]

"Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
...
> Maxwell writes:
>
>> So many very experienced people have disappeared
>> because of the irritation of children and child like behavior ...
>
> Some people are immature despite experience. They just need to grow up.
>

Pot, kettle, black.

[ManhattanMan]

Morgans wrote:
> "ManhattanMan" > wrote
>
>> Anyway, it is very easy to have a ultra compact, cheap video camera
>> these days... The most expensive item is the monitor, and even then
>> you're talking <$100..
>
> His sseeteup has a good sized monitor, with it. Here is the link:
>
> <http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=4744711#Item+Description>
>
Looks like Wal Mart took a baby monitor and adapted it for automotive use -
very clever! 2.5" monitor most likely has a 2.4GHz receiver built in.

> I'm not quite sure what or how you managed to fry yours. Try again
> at an explanation?

Here's a picture of a similar camera I started with, the intent was to get
some live video from RC aircraft.
http://www.boostervision.com/boostervision/default.asp
Notice the fat coaxial female plug on the camera/transmitter module (amazing
what they pack away in that little 1" cube!).
This doesn't show the matching male pigtail plug with a battery connector to
snap on a 9V battery. This setup is very common for the budget cameras, and
out of a half dozen vendors, I've only seen one mention that the warranty
was void if that plug was tampered with. NOT ONE actually told the buyer
that the oversized plug contains a 5V regulator, and if you bypassed it, the
module will get very warm before cashing in a few minutes later.. I thought
I'd save some weight, since it was going into a light weight foamie model,
and you can guess the rest. Transmitter still sends a nice blank carrier,
but the CMOS camera is history - luckily it was a cheapie and I've moved on
to a good Sony CCD, seperate 200mw transmitter, and 5V regulator to match..
Here's a shot of it:
http://www.members.cox.net/drpics/pigicam2.jpg

[Judah]

"Maxwell" > wrote in
:

> Good job, and very well put.

Thanks for the kudos.

[Bertie the Bunyip]

On 2 Apr, 04:19, "d.g.s." > wrote:
> On 4/1/2007 7:07 PM Judah jumped down, turned around, and wrote:
>
> > [...]
>
> > We tried to do that for Manic, and he essentially spat in our faces and
> > told us we are elitist snobs who don't know anything about flying. Many
> > have not reacted well, and Manic is an expert instigator.
>
> > But it's not the typical RAP conversation.
>
> There is a solution that is simple, quick, and effective.
>
> Use the killfile (or "filter") feature of your newsreader. Anthony's
> not much for nym-shifting, and once the answers to his posts dry up
> completely, he'll no longer spend time here. He'll find another forum
> in which to demonstrate his rather unique, um, "people skills."
> --


you do know he's sockpuppeting bigtime, right?


bertie

[dgs]

On 4/2/2007 8:39 PM Bertie the Bunyip fell asleep at the keyboard, and
awoke to find this:

> On 2 Apr, 04:19, "d.g.s." > wrote:
>
>>
>>Use the killfile (or "filter") feature of your newsreader. Anthony's
>>not much for nym-shifting, and once the answers to his posts dry up
>>completely, he'll no longer spend time here. He'll find another forum
>>in which to demonstrate his rather unique, um, "people skills."
>
>
> you do know he's sockpuppeting bigtime, right?

Please provide some of these "sockpuppet" nyms he's been using.
--
dgs