Ramp strike F7U Cutlass USS Hancock (0/1)

[Greasy Rider[_3_]]

F7U Cutlass' Lousy Final Approach To USS Hancock Left Of Center With
Its Main Gear Still Ten Feet Lower Than The Carrier Deck's Leading
Edge

The LSO " Paddles " Is Running At Full Speed Away From His Vulnerable
Signaling ' Perch '

LCDR J. Alkire didn't survive.

[CWO4 Dave Mann]

Greasy Rider wrote:
> F7U Cutlass' Lousy Final Approach To USS Hancock Left Of Center With
> Its Main Gear Still Ten Feet Lower Than The Carrier Deck's Leading
> Edge
>
> The LSO " Paddles " Is Running At Full Speed Away From His Vulnerable
> Signaling ' Perch '
>
> LCDR J. Alkire didn't survive.


No ejection opportunity most likely .. g-force of initial impact
probably killed or immobilized him immediately.

Fair Winds and Calm Seas, Sailor.

Dave

[redc1c4]

Greasy Rider wrote:
>
> F7U Cutlass' Lousy Final Approach To USS Hancock Left Of Center With
> Its Main Gear Still Ten Feet Lower Than The Carrier Deck's Leading
> Edge
>
> The LSO " Paddles " Is Running At Full Speed Away From His Vulnerable
> Signaling ' Perch '
>
> LCDR J. Alkire didn't survive.

i noticed you can see the barrier in place: was that normal on the
straight deck carriers, or was the plane already in trouble?

redc1c4,
what about the po' bastids on the cat walks?
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[Netko]

On Sun, 1 Apr 2007 16:53:07 +0100, Greasy Rider wrote
(in message >):

> F7U Cutlass' Lousy Final Approach To USS Hancock Left Of Center With
> Its Main Gear Still Ten Feet Lower Than The Carrier Deck's Leading
> Edge

There's a film of the crash at:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XijP0w25-8g

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[Greasy Rider[_3_]]

I received this message today from someone who was there:

The ole Cutlass was something else and this particular sequence was on
the Hancock and the pilot was the XO of VF-124 and went over the side
in the cockpit and never survived.The LSO was Ted Reilly and he made
it OK.The hook spotter/talker jumped clear over the rail and was
picked out of the sea OK, later.The other LSO's leaped into the net
and rolled away OK.Seven of the arresting gear people in the catwalk
all escaped with minor injuries.From what info I have the pilot was a
former VP driver and as evidenced he got way behind the power curve to
say the least .

[Bruce R]

"Greasy Rider" > wrote in message
...
>I received this message today from someone who was there:
>
> The ole Cutlass was something else and this particular sequence was on
> the Hancock and the pilot was the XO of VF-124 and went over the side
> in the cockpit and never survived.The LSO was Ted Reilly and he made
> it OK.The hook spotter/talker jumped clear over the rail and was
> picked out of the sea OK, later.The other LSO's leaped into the net
> and rolled away OK.Seven of the arresting gear people in the catwalk
> all escaped with minor injuries.From what info I have the pilot was a
> former VP driver and as evidenced he got way behind the power curve to
> say the least .



Explain "VP Driver" to me.....

Bruce

[Wayne Paul]

"Bruce R" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Greasy Rider" > wrote in message
> ...
>>I received this message today from someone who was there:
>>
>> The ole Cutlass was something else and this particular sequence was on
>> the Hancock and the pilot was the XO of VF-124 and went over the side
>> in the cockpit and never survived.The LSO was Ted Reilly and he made
>> it OK.The hook spotter/talker jumped clear over the rail and was
>> picked out of the sea OK, later.The other LSO's leaped into the net
>> and rolled away OK.Seven of the arresting gear people in the catwalk
>> all escaped with minor injuries.From what info I have the pilot was a
>> former VP driver and as evidenced he got way behind the power curve to
>> say the least .
>
>
>
> Explain "VP Driver" to me.....
>

Bruce,

Patrol squadron have designations like VP-2, VP-42, etc. So during
accident's historical timeframe, a VP driver flew multi-engine land based
aircraft like the P2V; or, maybe a seaplane such as a P5M. In other words,
the pilot had transition to an underpowered single piloted fighter from a
plane where looking to the left he saw a row of engines and looking to the
right he saw a row of co-pilots.

Wayne
HP-14 "6F"
http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder

[Bruce R]

"Wayne Paul" > wrote in message
...
> Bruce,
>
> Patrol squadron have designations like VP-2, VP-42, etc. So during
> accident's historical timeframe, a VP driver flew multi-engine land based
> aircraft like the P2V; or, maybe a seaplane such as a P5M. In other
> words, the pilot had transition to an underpowered single piloted fighter
> from a plane where looking to the left he saw a row of engines and looking
> to the right he saw a row of co-pilots.
>
> Wayne
> HP-14 "6F"
> http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder


Gotcha, that explains a lot. My brother was telling me that the Cutlass had
the unflattering nickname of "Gut-lass". I take it that it was because of
it's underpowered airframe?


Bruce

[Paul Elliot]

CWO4 Dave Mann wrote:
> Greasy Rider wrote:
>> F7U Cutlass' Lousy Final Approach To USS Hancock Left Of Center With
>> Its Main Gear Still Ten Feet Lower Than The Carrier Deck's Leading
>> Edge
>> The LSO " Paddles " Is Running At Full Speed Away From His Vulnerable
>> Signaling ' Perch '
>> LCDR J. Alkire didn't survive.
>
>
> No ejection opportunity most likely .. g-force of initial impact
> probably killed or immobilized him immediately.
>
> Fair Winds and Calm Seas, Sailor.
>
> Dave
>

Damned underpowered Cutlass probably couldn't accelerate out of the hole.

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[Lynn in StLou[_2_]]

Paul Elliot wrote:
> CWO4 Dave Mann wrote:
>> Greasy Rider wrote:
>>> F7U Cutlass' Lousy Final Approach To USS Hancock Left Of Center With
>>> Its Main Gear Still Ten Feet Lower Than The Carrier Deck's Leading
>>> Edge The LSO " Paddles " Is Running At Full Speed Away From His
>>> Vulnerable
>>> Signaling ' Perch ' LCDR J. Alkire didn't survive.
>>
>>
>> No ejection opportunity most likely .. g-force of initial impact
>> probably killed or immobilized him immediately.
>>
>> Fair Winds and Calm Seas, Sailor.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>
> Damned underpowered Cutlass probably couldn't accelerate out of the hole.
>

And it was underpowered because the engine never
developed the thrust it was supposed to develop.
The J46 was supposed to develop 7000 lbs thrust
and ended up being rated at 4800. Add to that the
weight almost any aircraft picks up in development
and you have a pig on your hands.

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