Almost got My Ticket Yesterday

[CareBear]

First of all I have not posted/asked any questions of RAP and RAS since last
November. With all of the bickering, baiting, and other issues, I decided
not to participate. Please don't misinterpret what I am saying. I am not
pointing fingers or complaining about anyone in particular since several
members of this group have been involved in degrading the groups. These are
just my opinions. So much for that.....

I had my checkride yesterday and it went rather well. I was not successful
in getting my ticket since I busted the forward slip to a landing and soft
field landing. Everything else was ok. I plan to practice and complete the
requirements for the slip and soft field landing this week, thereby
acquiring my ticket. My main problem with the slip was not maintaining the
centerline during the actual slip. I will not make any excuses (the wind,
nervousness, etc.). When it's all said and done, it was on me to be
successful.

Although I did not get the ticket, I still feel good about the overall
outcome. It's interesting in that I felt my weakest area would be the oral
but this went well. I did have a couple of slips (no pun intended) during
the oral but quickly regrouped and gave the correct response. The oral
lasted about 2.5 hours. After reviewing my flight plan, weight and balance,
etc. we (the DPE and myself) took to the air. I had to do quite a number of
things such as slow flight, steep turns, power on and power off stalls.
Finally it was time for the dreaded diversion! I was actually pleased with
myself with the outcome. The diversion was somewhat better than I had
anticipated, especially since I did not land but did a go around. Once we
returned to airport, we discussed the overall checkride. Of course, this
also included the "well you didn't do too good on the slip and the soft
field landing" conversation. But still, I was pleased with what I had
accomplished. Now I am really looking forward to finishing this week,
weather and DPE availability permitting.!!!!

BTW, the xc flight plan was from 3A1 (Cullman AL) to 7A0 (Greensboro AL) and
finally KMGM (Montgomery Dannelly Field).

Now, I will resume lurking.

--
CareBear

[BT]

CareBear... you are well on your way.. a session with the instructor and
you'll be good to go.
We look forward to hearing of the completed ride.

BT

"CareBear" > wrote in message
...
> First of all I have not posted/asked any questions of RAP and RAS since
> last November. With all of the bickering, baiting, and other issues, I
> decided not to participate. Please don't misinterpret what I am saying.
> I am not pointing fingers or complaining about anyone in particular since
> several members of this group have been involved in degrading the groups.
> These are just my opinions. So much for that.....
>
> I had my checkride yesterday and it went rather well. I was not
> successful in getting my ticket since I busted the forward slip to a
> landing and soft field landing. Everything else was ok. I plan to
> practice and complete the requirements for the slip and soft field landing
> this week, thereby acquiring my ticket. My main problem with the slip was
> not maintaining the centerline during the actual slip. I will not make
> any excuses (the wind, nervousness, etc.). When it's all said and done,
> it was on me to be successful.
>
> Although I did not get the ticket, I still feel good about the overall
> outcome. It's interesting in that I felt my weakest area would be the
> oral but this went well. I did have a couple of slips (no pun intended)
> during the oral but quickly regrouped and gave the correct response. The
> oral lasted about 2.5 hours. After reviewing my flight plan, weight and
> balance, etc. we (the DPE and myself) took to the air. I had to do quite
> a number of things such as slow flight, steep turns, power on and power
> off stalls. Finally it was time for the dreaded diversion! I was actually
> pleased with myself with the outcome. The diversion was somewhat better
> than I had anticipated, especially since I did not land but did a go
> around. Once we returned to airport, we discussed the overall checkride.
> Of course, this also included the "well you didn't do too good on the slip
> and the soft field landing" conversation. But still, I was pleased with
> what I had accomplished. Now I am really looking forward to finishing
> this week, weather and DPE availability permitting.!!!!
>
> BTW, the xc flight plan was from 3A1 (Cullman AL) to 7A0 (Greensboro AL)
> and finally KMGM (Montgomery Dannelly Field).
>
> Now, I will resume lurking.
>
> --
> CareBear
>

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Congratulations on your achievement Care Bear, but you didn't have to stay
away from the group because of the "noise".
There are always a whole bevy of experienced aviation type folks around here
to wade into any questions you might have had along the way.
Don't let the actions of a few deter you from frequenting the newsgroup.
With Usenet you always get the bad with the good . The secret is to just
ignore the bad and enjoy the good :-))
Dudley Henriques

"CareBear" > wrote in message
...
> First of all I have not posted/asked any questions of RAP and RAS since
> last November. With all of the bickering, baiting, and other issues, I
> decided not to participate. Please don't misinterpret what I am saying.
> I am not pointing fingers or complaining about anyone in particular since
> several members of this group have been involved in degrading the groups.
> These are just my opinions. So much for that.....
>
> I had my checkride yesterday and it went rather well. I was not
> successful in getting my ticket since I busted the forward slip to a
> landing and soft field landing. Everything else was ok. I plan to
> practice and complete the requirements for the slip and soft field landing
> this week, thereby acquiring my ticket. My main problem with the slip was
> not maintaining the centerline during the actual slip. I will not make
> any excuses (the wind, nervousness, etc.). When it's all said and done,
> it was on me to be successful.
>
> Although I did not get the ticket, I still feel good about the overall
> outcome. It's interesting in that I felt my weakest area would be the
> oral but this went well. I did have a couple of slips (no pun intended)
> during the oral but quickly regrouped and gave the correct response. The
> oral lasted about 2.5 hours. After reviewing my flight plan, weight and
> balance, etc. we (the DPE and myself) took to the air. I had to do quite
> a number of things such as slow flight, steep turns, power on and power
> off stalls. Finally it was time for the dreaded diversion! I was actually
> pleased with myself with the outcome. The diversion was somewhat better
> than I had anticipated, especially since I did not land but did a go
> around. Once we returned to airport, we discussed the overall checkride.
> Of course, this also included the "well you didn't do too good on the slip
> and the soft field landing" conversation. But still, I was pleased with
> what I had accomplished. Now I am really looking forward to finishing
> this week, weather and DPE availability permitting.!!!!
>
> BTW, the xc flight plan was from 3A1 (Cullman AL) to 7A0 (Greensboro AL)
> and finally KMGM (Montgomery Dannelly Field).
>
> Now, I will resume lurking.
>
> --
> CareBear
>

[Roger[_4_]]

First, Congratulations on your accomplishments so far.
I'm sure that with a bit of work you'll do well next time.

On Mon, 2 Apr 2007 22:22:09 -0500, "CareBear" >
wrote:

>First of all I have not posted/asked any questions of RAP and RAS since last
>November. With all of the bickering, baiting, and other issues, I decided
>not to participate. Please don't misinterpret what I am saying. I am not
>pointing fingers or complaining about anyone in particular since several
>members of this group have been involved in degrading the groups. These are
>just my opinions. So much for that.....
>
You've lurked long enough to probably have a good idea as to who can
be believed about what. You just have to sort through the chaf at
times.


>I had my checkride yesterday and it went rather well. I was not successful
>in getting my ticket since I busted the forward slip to a landing and soft
>field landing. Everything else was ok. I plan to practice and complete the
>requirements for the slip and soft field landing this week, thereby
>acquiring my ticket. My main problem with the slip was not maintaining the
>centerline during the actual slip. I will not make any excuses (the wind,
>nervousness, etc.). When it's all said and done, it was on me to be
>successful.

Being able to accept what went wrong is a good point in itself. Few
are able to do that.

Hang in there,

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

[kontiki]

CareBear congrats on nailing all but a couple of rather minor
things! Getting 'dinged' on one or two things on a check ride
is not at all uncommon (I've had 5 check rides and its happened
to me on two of them) Despite all your hard work and effort it
only takes a tiny loss of concentration and a bit of nervousness
to blow a manuever ... and some PE's are more forgiving than others!

Practice a couple more slips and soft-field landings and you'll
be good to go! thanks for the post.

[Matt Whiting]

Dudley Henriques wrote:
> Congratulations on your achievement Care Bear, but you didn't have to stay
> away from the group because of the "noise".
> There are always a whole bevy of experienced aviation type folks around here
> to wade into any questions you might have had along the way.
> Don't let the actions of a few deter you from frequenting the newsgroup.
> With Usenet you always get the bad with the good . The secret is to just
> ignore the bad and enjoy the good :-))

And that applies to a lot more than aviation.

Matt

[Kevin Clarke]

CareBear wrote:
> First of all I have not posted/asked any questions of RAP and RAS since last
> November. With all of the bickering, baiting, and other issues, I decided
> not to participate. Please don't misinterpret what I am saying. I am not
> pointing fingers or complaining about anyone in particular since several
> members of this group have been involved in degrading the groups. These are
> just my opinions. So much for that.....
>
> I had my checkride yesterday and it went rather well. I was not successful
> in getting my ticket since I busted the forward slip to a landing and soft
> field landing. Everything else was ok. I plan to practice and complete the
> requirements for the slip and soft field landing this week, thereby
> acquiring my ticket. My main problem with the slip was not maintaining the
> centerline during the actual slip. I will not make any excuses (the wind,
> nervousness, etc.). When it's all said and done, it was on me to be
> successful.
>
> Although I did not get the ticket, I still feel good about the overall
> outcome. It's interesting in that I felt my weakest area would be the oral
> but this went well. I did have a couple of slips (no pun intended) during
> the oral but quickly regrouped and gave the correct response. The oral
> lasted about 2.5 hours. After reviewing my flight plan, weight and balance,
> etc. we (the DPE and myself) took to the air. I had to do quite a number of
> things such as slow flight, steep turns, power on and power off stalls.
> Finally it was time for the dreaded diversion! I was actually pleased with
> myself with the outcome. The diversion was somewhat better than I had
> anticipated, especially since I did not land but did a go around. Once we
> returned to airport, we discussed the overall checkride. Of course, this
> also included the "well you didn't do too good on the slip and the soft
> field landing" conversation. But still, I was pleased with what I had
> accomplished. Now I am really looking forward to finishing this week,
> weather and DPE availability permitting.!!!!
>
> BTW, the xc flight plan was from 3A1 (Cullman AL) to 7A0 (Greensboro AL) and
> finally KMGM (Montgomery Dannelly Field).
>
> Now, I will resume lurking.
>
>
95% congratulations!! :-)

The slip is tough to master, it is a confidence thing. Putting the plane
into that flying profile can be daunting and a bit scary. I remember it
took me awhile but I finally got the hang of it when I had my instructor
teach a whole lesson of flying in a slip. We flew up and down route 2
in massachusetts (using the road as a centerline) for 2 hours doing
slips, climbing, slipping etc.

The big thing for me was learning to use the rudder, really use the
rudder. I still still screw it up on x-wind landings. It is almost like
you can't use enough rudder. You think you have enough, add more.

Good job on the other parts of the exam. Like most things, the anxiety
of the imagined scenario are worse than the reality of the scenario.
You'll get it for sure! Good luck.

KC

[JB]

On Apr 2, 11:22 pm, "CareBear" > wrote:
> First of all I have not posted/asked any questions of RAP and RAS since last
> November. With all of the bickering, baiting, and other issues, I decided
> not to participate. Please don't misinterpret what I am saying. I am not
> pointing fingers or complaining about anyone in particular since several
> members of this group have been involved in degrading the groups. These are
> just my opinions. So much for that.....
>
> I had my checkride yesterday and it went rather well. I was not successful
> in getting my ticket since I busted the forward slip to a landing and soft
> field landing. Everything else was ok. I plan to practice and complete the
> requirements for the slip and soft field landing this week, thereby
> acquiring my ticket. My main problem with the slip was not maintaining the
> centerline during the actual slip. I will not make any excuses (the wind,
> nervousness, etc.). When it's all said and done, it was on me to be
> successful.
>
> Although I did not get the ticket, I still feel good about the overall
> outcome. It's interesting in that I felt my weakest area would be the oral
> but this went well. I did have a couple of slips (no pun intended) during
> the oral but quickly regrouped and gave the correct response. The oral
> lasted about 2.5 hours. After reviewing my flight plan, weight and balance,
> etc. we (the DPE and myself) took to the air. I had to do quite a number of
> things such as slow flight, steep turns, power on and power off stalls.
> Finally it was time for the dreaded diversion! I was actually pleased with
> myself with the outcome. The diversion was somewhat better than I had
> anticipated, especially since I did not land but did a go around. Once we
> returned to airport, we discussed the overall checkride. Of course, this
> also included the "well you didn't do too good on the slip and the soft
> field landing" conversation. But still, I was pleased with what I had
> accomplished. Now I am really looking forward to finishing this week,
> weather and DPE availability permitting.!!!!
>
> BTW, the xc flight plan was from 3A1 (Cullman AL) to 7A0 (Greensboro AL) and
> finally KMGM (Montgomery Dannelly Field).
>
> Now, I will resume lurking.
>
> --
> CareBear

You've got the right attitude about the your checkride!! Alot of
people (including me!) come away from a failed checkride depressed and
dejected. After all those hours, I felt like %#$@ that I couldn't
make it thru. But after I picked myself up by my belt loops and got
back in the plane, it was a piece of cake the next time. And it will
be for you also.

As others have noted, slips are one of the toughest manuevers to
master. You're on final and your eyes are moving up and down at warp
speed between the gauges to make sure you've got the right airspeed,
and the outside to watch the centerline. Putting the plane in that
"unnatural" configuration and keeping it there only makes it worse.
And if the wind is shifting or gusting, you then have to adjust the
amount of slip to compensate. All together, its a pretty tough flying
environment.

A few more landings with your instructor, and you'll have that little
piece of paper in your hand! And then it will get to the point that
you actually WISH for a windy/gusty day to get out there and practice
those crosswind landings in challenging conditions! Good luck!

--Jeff

[cjcampbell]

On Apr 2, 8:22 pm, "CareBear" > wrote:
>
> I had my checkride yesterday and it went rather well. I was not successful
> in getting my ticket since I busted the forward slip to a landing and soft
> field landing.

Ah. A little more instruction and you'll have those down pat. Anyone
can screw up an item or two on a check ride. More than that, though,
and you begin to wonder about the instructor.

Congratulations on the rest. You'll have your ticket soon and a well
deserved sense of accomplishment.

[Cary]

On Apr 2, 10:22 pm, "CareBear" > wrote:
>...snip
> I had my checkride yesterday and it went rather well. I was not successful
> in getting my ticket since I busted the forward slip to a landing and soft
> field landing. Everything else was ok. I plan to practice and complete the
> requirements for the slip and soft field landing this week, thereby
> acquiring my ticket. My main problem with the slip was not maintaining the
> centerline during the actual slip. I will not make any excuses (the wind,
> nervousness, etc.). When it's all said and done, it was on me to be
> successful.
>
> snip...
>
> Now, I will resume lurking.
>
> --
> CareBear

You have my sympathy. I know how it feels to bust a check ride, as I
had to take my multi add-on a second time (busted the off field NDB
approach). No matter how good you feel about the rest of the check
ride, I suspect that deep down it still hurts somewhat to have
"busted." However, as others have said, you are in good company
because many outstanding pilots have busted at one time or another.
Also, as others have stated, the leniency of the DPE's are variable. I
remember on my private exam I bounced the soft-field landing and the
DPE asked me which bounce I wanted to use for the landing. She didn't
bust me on that, although she easily could have done so.

Doing the forward slip is very much like a x-wind landing. You may
want to go to an airport that is not too busy and practice the slip
procedure as you approach a runway with a moderate x-wind. You don't
have to land if the x-wind is too great, but just try to keep the
plane going down the centerline using the aileron to correct for the
wind and the opposite rudder to keep the nose straight down the
runway.

Good luck on your re-take.

Cary

[CareBear]

Thanks, I plan on a session with my instructor Thursday, weather permitting.

--
CareBear


"BT" > wrote in message
...
> CareBear... you are well on your way.. a session with the instructor and
> you'll be good to go.
> We look forward to hearing of the completed ride.
>
> BT
>
> "CareBear" > wrote in message
> ...
>> First of all I have not posted/asked any questions of RAP and RAS since
>> last November. With all of the bickering, baiting, and other issues, I
>> decided not to participate. Please don't misinterpret what I am saying.
>> I am not pointing fingers or complaining about anyone in particular since
>> several members of this group have been involved in degrading the groups.
>> These are just my opinions. So much for that.....
>>
>> I had my checkride yesterday and it went rather well. I was not
>> successful in getting my ticket since I busted the forward slip to a
>> landing and soft field landing. Everything else was ok. I plan to
>> practice and complete the requirements for the slip and soft field
>> landing this week, thereby acquiring my ticket. My main problem with the
>> slip was not maintaining the centerline during the actual slip. I will
>> not make any excuses (the wind, nervousness, etc.). When it's all said
>> and done, it was on me to be successful.
>>
>> Although I did not get the ticket, I still feel good about the overall
>> outcome. It's interesting in that I felt my weakest area would be the
>> oral but this went well. I did have a couple of slips (no pun intended)
>> during the oral but quickly regrouped and gave the correct response. The
>> oral lasted about 2.5 hours. After reviewing my flight plan, weight and
>> balance, etc. we (the DPE and myself) took to the air. I had to do quite
>> a number of things such as slow flight, steep turns, power on and power
>> off stalls. Finally it was time for the dreaded diversion! I was
>> actually pleased with myself with the outcome. The diversion was
>> somewhat better than I had anticipated, especially since I did not land
>> but did a go around. Once we returned to airport, we discussed the
>> overall checkride. Of course, this also included the "well you didn't do
>> too good on the slip and the soft field landing" conversation. But
>> still, I was pleased with what I had accomplished. Now I am really
>> looking forward to finishing this week, weather and DPE availability
>> permitting.!!!!
>>
>> BTW, the xc flight plan was from 3A1 (Cullman AL) to 7A0 (Greensboro AL)
>> and finally KMGM (Montgomery Dannelly Field).
>>
>> Now, I will resume lurking.
>>
>> --
>> CareBear
>>
>
>

[CareBear]

Dudley, I appreciate the complement. Actually, I didn't stay away but
lurked instead. I have to say that sometimes reading the various threads is
better than a good comedy :)

--
CareBear

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
...
> Congratulations on your achievement Care Bear, but you didn't have to stay
> away from the group because of the "noise".
> There are always a whole bevy of experienced aviation type folks around
> here to wade into any questions you might have had along the way.
> Don't let the actions of a few deter you from frequenting the newsgroup.
> With Usenet you always get the bad with the good . The secret is to just
> ignore the bad and enjoy the good :-))
> Dudley Henriques
>
> "CareBear" > wrote in message
> ...
>> First of all I have not posted/asked any questions of RAP and RAS since
>> last November. With all of the bickering, baiting, and other issues, I
>> decided not to participate. Please don't misinterpret what I am saying.
>> I am not pointing fingers or complaining about anyone in particular since
>> several members of this group have been involved in degrading the groups.
>> These are just my opinions. So much for that.....
>>
>> I had my checkride yesterday and it went rather well. I was not
>> successful in getting my ticket since I busted the forward slip to a
>> landing and soft field landing. Everything else was ok. I plan to
>> practice and complete the requirements for the slip and soft field
>> landing this week, thereby acquiring my ticket. My main problem with the
>> slip was not maintaining the centerline during the actual slip. I will
>> not make any excuses (the wind, nervousness, etc.). When it's all said
>> and done, it was on me to be successful.
>>
>> Although I did not get the ticket, I still feel good about the overall
>> outcome. It's interesting in that I felt my weakest area would be the
>> oral but this went well. I did have a couple of slips (no pun intended)
>> during the oral but quickly regrouped and gave the correct response. The
>> oral lasted about 2.5 hours. After reviewing my flight plan, weight and
>> balance, etc. we (the DPE and myself) took to the air. I had to do quite
>> a number of things such as slow flight, steep turns, power on and power
>> off stalls. Finally it was time for the dreaded diversion! I was
>> actually pleased with myself with the outcome. The diversion was
>> somewhat better than I had anticipated, especially since I did not land
>> but did a go around. Once we returned to airport, we discussed the
>> overall checkride. Of course, this also included the "well you didn't do
>> too good on the slip and the soft field landing" conversation. But
>> still, I was pleased with what I had accomplished. Now I am really
>> looking forward to finishing this week, weather and DPE availability
>> permitting.!!!!
>>
>> BTW, the xc flight plan was from 3A1 (Cullman AL) to 7A0 (Greensboro AL)
>> and finally KMGM (Montgomery Dannelly Field).
>>
>> Now, I will resume lurking.
>>
>> --
>> CareBear
>>
>
>

[CareBear]

You are right, Matt. It applies to life in general.

--
CareBear

"Matt Whiting" > wrote in message
...
> Dudley Henriques wrote:
>> Congratulations on your achievement Care Bear, but you didn't have to
>> stay away from the group because of the "noise".
>> There are always a whole bevy of experienced aviation type folks around
>> here to wade into any questions you might have had along the way.
>> Don't let the actions of a few deter you from frequenting the newsgroup.
>> With Usenet you always get the bad with the good . The secret is to just
>> ignore the bad and enjoy the good :-))
>
> And that applies to a lot more than aviation.
>
> Matt

[CareBear]

Thanks. I'm hoping to get in a bit of work Thursday.

--
CareBear

"Roger" > wrote in message
...
> First, Congratulations on your accomplishments so far.
> I'm sure that with a bit of work you'll do well next time.
>
> On Mon, 2 Apr 2007 22:22:09 -0500, "CareBear" >
> wrote:
>
>>First of all I have not posted/asked any questions of RAP and RAS since
>>last
>>November. With all of the bickering, baiting, and other issues, I decided
>>not to participate. Please don't misinterpret what I am saying. I am not
>>pointing fingers or complaining about anyone in particular since several
>>members of this group have been involved in degrading the groups. These
>>are
>>just my opinions. So much for that.....
>>
> You've lurked long enough to probably have a good idea as to who can
> be believed about what. You just have to sort through the chaf at
> times.
>
>
>>I had my checkride yesterday and it went rather well. I was not
>>successful
>>in getting my ticket since I busted the forward slip to a landing and soft
>>field landing. Everything else was ok. I plan to practice and complete
>>the
>>requirements for the slip and soft field landing this week, thereby
>>acquiring my ticket. My main problem with the slip was not maintaining
>>the
>>centerline during the actual slip. I will not make any excuses (the wind,
>>nervousness, etc.). When it's all said and done, it was on me to be
>>successful.
>
> Being able to accept what went wrong is a good point in itself. Few
> are able to do that.
>
> Hang in there,
>
> Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
> (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
> www.rogerhalstead.com

[CareBear]

Planning on practicing both maneuvers Thursday.

--
CareBear

"kontiki" > wrote in message
...
> CareBear congrats on nailing all but a couple of rather minor
> things! Getting 'dinged' on one or two things on a check ride
> is not at all uncommon (I've had 5 check rides and its happened
> to me on two of them) Despite all your hard work and effort it
> only takes a tiny loss of concentration and a bit of nervousness
> to blow a manuever ... and some PE's are more forgiving than others!
>
> Practice a couple more slips and soft-field landings and you'll
> be good to go! thanks for the post.
>
>

[CareBear]

"Kevin Clarke" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> CareBear wrote:
>> First of all I have not posted/asked any questions of RAP and RAS since
>> last November. With all of the bickering, baiting, and other issues, I
>> decided not to participate. Please don't misinterpret what I am saying.
>> I am not pointing fingers or complaining about anyone in particular since
>> several members of this group have been involved in degrading the groups.
>> These are just my opinions. So much for that.....
>>
>> I had my checkride yesterday and it went rather well. I was not
>> successful in getting my ticket since I busted the forward slip to a
>> landing and soft field landing. Everything else was ok. I plan to
>> practice and complete the requirements for the slip and soft field
>> landing this week, thereby acquiring my ticket. My main problem with the
>> slip was not maintaining the centerline during the actual slip. I will
>> not make any excuses (the wind, nervousness, etc.). When it's all said
>> and done, it was on me to be successful.
>>
>> Although I did not get the ticket, I still feel good about the overall
>> outcome. It's interesting in that I felt my weakest area would be the
>> oral but this went well. I did have a couple of slips (no pun intended)
>> during the oral but quickly regrouped and gave the correct response. The
>> oral lasted about 2.5 hours. After reviewing my flight plan, weight and
>> balance, etc. we (the DPE and myself) took to the air. I had to do quite
>> a number of things such as slow flight, steep turns, power on and power
>> off stalls. Finally it was time for the dreaded diversion! I was
>> actually pleased with myself with the outcome. The diversion was
>> somewhat better than I had anticipated, especially since I did not land
>> but did a go around. Once we returned to airport, we discussed the
>> overall checkride. Of course, this also included the "well you didn't do
>> too good on the slip and the soft field landing" conversation. But
>> still, I was pleased with what I had accomplished. Now I am really
>> looking forward to finishing this week, weather and DPE availability
>> permitting.!!!!
>>
>> BTW, the xc flight plan was from 3A1 (Cullman AL) to 7A0 (Greensboro AL)
>> and finally KMGM (Montgomery Dannelly Field).
>>
>> Now, I will resume lurking.
>>
>>
> 95% congratulations!! :-)
>
> The slip is tough to master, it is a confidence thing. Putting the plane
> into that flying profile can be daunting and a bit scary. I remember it
> took me awhile but I finally got the hang of it when I had my instructor
> teach a whole lesson of flying in a slip. We flew up and down route 2 in
> massachusetts (using the road as a centerline) for 2 hours doing slips,
> climbing, slipping etc.
>
> The big thing for me was learning to use the rudder, really use the
> rudder. I still still screw it up on x-wind landings. It is almost like
> you can't use enough rudder. You think you have enough, add more.
>
> Good job on the other parts of the exam. Like most things, the anxiety of
> the imagined scenario are worse than the reality of the scenario. You'll
> get it for sure! Good luck.
>
> KC

Thanks KC. I will definitely get the hang of it with a little more training
with my instructor.

CareBear

[CareBear]

"JB" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> On Apr 2, 11:22 pm, "CareBear" > wrote:
>> First of all I have not posted/asked any questions of RAP and RAS since
>> last
>> November. With all of the bickering, baiting, and other issues, I
>> decided
>> not to participate. Please don't misinterpret what I am saying. I am
>> not
>> pointing fingers or complaining about anyone in particular since several
>> members of this group have been involved in degrading the groups. These
>> are
>> just my opinions. So much for that.....
>>
>> I had my checkride yesterday and it went rather well. I was not
>> successful
>> in getting my ticket since I busted the forward slip to a landing and
>> soft
>> field landing. Everything else was ok. I plan to practice and complete
>> the
>> requirements for the slip and soft field landing this week, thereby
>> acquiring my ticket. My main problem with the slip was not maintaining
>> the
>> centerline during the actual slip. I will not make any excuses (the
>> wind,
>> nervousness, etc.). When it's all said and done, it was on me to be
>> successful.
>>
>> Although I did not get the ticket, I still feel good about the overall
>> outcome. It's interesting in that I felt my weakest area would be the
>> oral
>> but this went well. I did have a couple of slips (no pun intended)
>> during
>> the oral but quickly regrouped and gave the correct response. The oral
>> lasted about 2.5 hours. After reviewing my flight plan, weight and
>> balance,
>> etc. we (the DPE and myself) took to the air. I had to do quite a number
>> of
>> things such as slow flight, steep turns, power on and power off stalls.
>> Finally it was time for the dreaded diversion! I was actually pleased
>> with
>> myself with the outcome. The diversion was somewhat better than I had
>> anticipated, especially since I did not land but did a go around. Once
>> we
>> returned to airport, we discussed the overall checkride. Of course, this
>> also included the "well you didn't do too good on the slip and the soft
>> field landing" conversation. But still, I was pleased with what I had
>> accomplished. Now I am really looking forward to finishing this week,
>> weather and DPE availability permitting.!!!!
>>
>> BTW, the xc flight plan was from 3A1 (Cullman AL) to 7A0 (Greensboro AL)
>> and
>> finally KMGM (Montgomery Dannelly Field).
>>
>> Now, I will resume lurking.
>>
>> --
>> CareBear
>
> You've got the right attitude about the your checkride!! Alot of
> people (including me!) come away from a failed checkride depressed and
> dejected. After all those hours, I felt like %#$@ that I couldn't
> make it thru. But after I picked myself up by my belt loops and got
> back in the plane, it was a piece of cake the next time. And it will
> be for you also.
>
> As others have noted, slips are one of the toughest manuevers to
> master. You're on final and your eyes are moving up and down at warp
> speed between the gauges to make sure you've got the right airspeed,
> and the outside to watch the centerline. Putting the plane in that
> "unnatural" configuration and keeping it there only makes it worse.
> And if the wind is shifting or gusting, you then have to adjust the
> amount of slip to compensate. All together, its a pretty tough flying
> environment.
>
> A few more landings with your instructor, and you'll have that little
> piece of paper in your hand! And then it will get to the point that
> you actually WISH for a windy/gusty day to get out there and practice
> those crosswind landings in challenging conditions! Good luck!
>
> --Jeff
>

Jeff, I admit slips are rather hard. But I will be working to overcome them
(and soon).

--
CareBear

[CareBear]

--
CareBear
"cjcampbell" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> On Apr 2, 8:22 pm, "CareBear" > wrote:
>>
>> I had my checkride yesterday and it went rather well. I was not
>> successful
>> in getting my ticket since I busted the forward slip to a landing and
>> soft
>> field landing.
>
> Ah. A little more instruction and you'll have those down pat. Anyone
> can screw up an item or two on a check ride. More than that, though,
> and you begin to wonder about the instructor.
>
> Congratulations on the rest. You'll have your ticket soon and a well
> deserved sense of accomplishment.
>

Thanks cjc.

--
CareBear

[Euan Kilgour]

With a positive attitude like yours, you'll be PP-ASEL before you know
it Carebear!

May I ask what plane you sat your checkride in?

[CareBear]

--
CareBear
"Cary" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> On Apr 2, 10:22 pm, "CareBear" > wrote:
>>...snip
>> I had my checkride yesterday and it went rather well. I was not
>> successful
>> in getting my ticket since I busted the forward slip to a landing and
>> soft
>> field landing. Everything else was ok. I plan to practice and complete
>> the
>> requirements for the slip and soft field landing this week, thereby
>> acquiring my ticket. My main problem with the slip was not maintaining
>> the
>> centerline during the actual slip. I will not make any excuses (the
>> wind,
>> nervousness, etc.). When it's all said and done, it was on me to be
>> successful.
>>
>> snip...
>>
>> Now, I will resume lurking.
>>
>> --
>> CareBear
>
> You have my sympathy. I know how it feels to bust a check ride, as I
> had to take my multi add-on a second time (busted the off field NDB
> approach). No matter how good you feel about the rest of the check
> ride, I suspect that deep down it still hurts somewhat to have
> "busted." However, as others have said, you are in good company
> because many outstanding pilots have busted at one time or another.
> Also, as others have stated, the leniency of the DPE's are variable. I
> remember on my private exam I bounced the soft-field landing and the
> DPE asked me which bounce I wanted to use for the landing. She didn't
> bust me on that, although she easily could have done so.
>
> Doing the forward slip is very much like a x-wind landing. You may
> want to go to an airport that is not too busy and practice the slip
> procedure as you approach a runway with a moderate x-wind. You don't
> have to land if the x-wind is too great, but just try to keep the
> plane going down the centerline using the aileron to correct for the
> wind and the opposite rudder to keep the nose straight down the
> runway.
>
> Good luck on your re-take.
>
> Cary
>

Cary, I would be lying if I say it didn't hurt to not get my ticket. But
the hurt lasted only a few minutes. I realized that I had accomplished a
lot in less than a year. I've accomplished what "some" on this newsgroup
will never accomplish. So I don't feel too bad :)

CareBear

[CareBear]

"Euan Kilgour" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> With a positive attitude like yours, you'll be PP-ASEL before you know
> it Carebear!
>
> May I ask what plane you sat your checkride in?
>

Cessna C-152.

CareBear

[Andrew Gideon]

On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 11:33:39 +0000, Kevin Clarke wrote:

> The slip is tough to master, it is a confidence thing. Putting the plane
> into that flying profile can be daunting and a bit scary.

I think that this is a personal thing. For me, slips were never other
than fun. But I guessed that there must be something to them when my
CFII, on one of our first flights together, asked (while we were high on
final) if I could slip.

Stalls were my pet "scary thing". I eventually went out with an
instructor (whom I thought I was checking out for my wife's lessons {8^)
that had me hold a stall for a while. Nothing bad occurred, which did a
lot to free me from those demons. And then there was the spin training...

If I had to guess, I'd say I liked slips because the plane is still doing
what I'm instructing it to do. Stalls, on the other hand, involve those
pesky laws of physics countermanding my instructions. I take that
personally <laugh>.

Congrats on the almost-pass, Bear. I'm sure you're but a quick lesson
away from the next step of studentdom.

- Andrew

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

"CareBear" > wrote in message
...
> Dudley, I appreciate the complement. Actually, I didn't stay away but
> lurked instead. I have to say that sometimes reading the various threads
> is better than a good comedy :)

This is what I do also when things get hot on the groups. Sometimes I'll
just peruse through the threads just to see who's mad at whom that day. :-)
Dudley Henriques

[Mortimer Schnerd, RN[_2_]]

Andrew Gideon wrote:
> Congrats on the almost-pass, Bear. I'm sure you're but a quick lesson
> away from the next step of studentdom.


I haven't quite figured out why people are offering congratulations on his
failure to pass a check ride. Is this political correctness run amuck?

It seems to me offering condolences is more appropriate. Maybe I'm just too
traditional.




--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

[[email protected]]

Your post on busting the PP check ride got me to wondering -- I wonder
how many long time pilots would pass a good DPE's PP checkout?

When one flies the same airplane for years, weight and balance
calculations have a way of not getting done. I haven't slipped an
airplane, except during the flare in landing in a crosswind of course,
in a decade or more, since needing to slip (IMHO) means poor planning
earlier in the approach.

A two and a half hour oral? I don't remember anything that long! What
did you talk about for two and a half hours? Real life flight planning
goes something like this. check a chart. Looks to be a two hour
flight, five hours of fuel on board. Weather -- soft IFR, that's OK,
clear weather an hour west of my destination, so there are solid gold
alternates, choose one. Check the winds -- flying west, stay lower. No
ice, no thunderstorms.

Hmm. That airway looks good. Call in the flight plan.

DPE -- "Busted!"

[Maxwell]

"CareBear" > wrote in message
...
> First of all I have not posted/asked any questions of RAP and RAS since
> last November. With all of the bickering, baiting, and other issues, I
> decided not to participate. Please don't misinterpret what I am saying.
> I am not pointing fingers or complaining about anyone in particular since
> several members of this group have been involved in degrading the groups.
> These are just my opinions. So much for that.....
>
> I had my checkride yesterday and it went rather well. I was not
> successful in getting my ticket since I busted the forward slip to a
> landing and soft field landing. Everything else was ok. I plan to
> practice and complete the requirements for the slip and soft field landing
> this week, thereby acquiring my ticket. My main problem with the slip was
> not maintaining the centerline during the actual slip. I will not make
> any excuses (the wind, nervousness, etc.). When it's all said and done,
> it was on me to be successful.
>
> Although I did not get the ticket, I still feel good about the overall
> outcome. It's interesting in that I felt my weakest area would be the
> oral but this went well. I did have a couple of slips (no pun intended)
> during the oral but quickly regrouped and gave the correct response. The
> oral lasted about 2.5 hours. After reviewing my flight plan, weight and
> balance, etc. we (the DPE and myself) took to the air. I had to do quite
> a number of things such as slow flight, steep turns, power on and power
> off stalls. Finally it was time for the dreaded diversion! I was actually
> pleased with myself with the outcome. The diversion was somewhat better
> than I had anticipated, especially since I did not land but did a go
> around. Once we returned to airport, we discussed the overall checkride.
> Of course, this also included the "well you didn't do too good on the slip
> and the soft field landing" conversation. But still, I was pleased with
> what I had accomplished. Now I am really looking forward to finishing
> this week, weather and DPE availability permitting.!!!!
>
> BTW, the xc flight plan was from 3A1 (Cullman AL) to 7A0 (Greensboro AL)
> and finally KMGM (Montgomery Dannelly Field).
>
> Now, I will resume lurking.
>

I seemed to have a problem with slips when I was learn to fly years ago in a
150 myself. Something about it just seemed so unnatural, especially after
spending so much time learning to keep the aircraft coordinated all the
time. And it think trying to fly smoothly with the increased control
pressures were a big factor as well.

Finally one day on one of my solo flights, I simply climbed to 7500' or so,
picked out a target that was probably miles away, pulled the power back and
began to slip for it. After doing this a few times, and having several
minutes each time refine my technique, without the immediacy of landing, I
felt a whole lot better about slips. Everyone is different for sure, but it
sure was a big help to me.

[Andrew Gideon]

On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 06:54:30 -0400, Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:

> Is this political correctness run amuck?

I think it's more like cheering on a runner in the midst of a race. Sure,
there's cheering at the end too.

If he'd decided to drop flying as a result, condolences would be
absolutely appropriate.

- Andrew

[CareBear]

"Andrew Gideon" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 06:54:30 -0400, Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:
>
>> Is this political correctness run amuck?
>
> I think it's more like cheering on a runner in the midst of a race. Sure,
> there's cheering at the end too.
>
> If he'd decided to drop flying as a result, condolences would be
> absolutely appropriate.
>
> - Andrew
>

Andrew, thanks for the reply to Mortimer Turd, RN . There is always someone
who wants to be negative. If he couldn't say something positive, maybe he
should have just kept his mouth shut. Of course, his opinion does not
change what happened or how I feel. As a young man of 56, I still feel VERY
good about the outcome.

CareBear

[Mortimer Schnerd, RN[_2_]]

CareBear wrote:
> Andrew, thanks for the reply to Mortimer Turd, RN . There is always someone
> who wants to be negative. If he couldn't say something positive, maybe he
> should have just kept his mouth shut. Of course, his opinion does not
> change what happened or how I feel. As a young man of 56, I still feel VERY
> good about the outcome.


Well damn... did I say something to upset you? I don't believe in
congratulating people for failing. Encouragement, perhaps... except my comment
wasn't addressed to you directly, so none was included.

Feel free to go **** yourself.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

[Mark T. Dame]

Dudley Henriques wrote:
> Congratulations on your achievement Care Bear, but you didn't have to stay
> away from the group because of the "noise".

I second that. The only way to improve the signal to noise ratio is to
have more valuable posts, since the noise isn't going to go away.


-m
--
## Mark T. Dame >
## VP, Product Development
## MFM Software, Inc. (http://www.mfm.com/)
"I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did. I said I
didn't know."
-- Mark Twain

[Mark T. Dame]

CareBear wrote:
>
> Although I did not get the ticket, I still feel good about the overall
> outcome. It's interesting in that I felt my weakest area would be the oral
> but this went well. I did have a couple of slips (no pun intended) during
> the oral but quickly regrouped and gave the correct response. The oral
> lasted about 2.5 hours.

It sounds like your examiner is pretty thorough. That's a pretty long
oral for a private checkride. Slips and soft field landings are
probably the toughest things in the private checkride. In fact, before
I started working on my CFI ticket, I hadn't done a slip since I got my
private certificate, and I had a lot of trouble on the first couple.

So, look at it this way: your examiner is going to make sure you are
well qualified when he signs your ticket. Be proud of that and good luck!


-m
--
## Mark T. Dame >
## VP, Product Development
## MFM Software, Inc. (http://www.mfm.com/)
100% - effort level demanded by coaches who majored in math or science
110% - effort level demanded by coaches who majored in physical education
-- Coach Jack Reed (http://www.johntreed.com/)

[Mark T. Dame]

wrote:
>
> I haven't slipped an
> airplane, except during the flare in landing in a crosswind of course,
> in a decade or more, since needing to slip (IMHO) means poor planning
> earlier in the approach.

Many people prefer to use a forward slip in a crosswind situation
instead of a crab since it is easier to land in that configuration (i.e.
you don't have to switch from a crab to a forward slip at the last
minute). I don't do it that way, but know plenty who do.


-m
--
## Mark T. Dame >
## VP, Product Development
## MFM Software, Inc. (http://www.mfm.com/)
"But I'm quite used to being humiliated. I can even go and stick my
head in a bucket of water if you like."
-- The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, Douglas Adams: Marvin

[Allen[_1_]]

"Mark T. Dame" > wrote in message
...
> wrote:
>>
>> I haven't slipped an
>> airplane, except during the flare in landing in a crosswind of course,
>> in a decade or more, since needing to slip (IMHO) means poor planning
>> earlier in the approach.
>
> Many people prefer to use a forward slip in a crosswind situation instead
> of a crab since it is easier to land in that configuration (i.e. you don't
> have to switch from a crab to a forward slip at the last minute). I don't
> do it that way, but know plenty who do.
>
Well....no. A side slip is used to compensate for crosswind drift, the
aircraft longitudinal axis is parallel to the runway centerline. A forward
slip is used to increase the descent rate, the aircraft nose will be at an
angle to the runway.

[Jose]

> Well....no. A side slip is used to compensate for crosswind drift, the
> aircraft longitudinal axis is parallel to the runway centerline. A forward
> slip is used to increase the descent rate, the aircraft nose will be at an
> angle to the runway.

It's the same maneuver. The airplane can't tell the difference.
However, the word usage (as above) indicates the purpose of the maneuver.

Jose
--
Get high on gasoline: fly an airplane.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[Andrew Gideon]

On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 21:23:16 +0000, Allen wrote:

> A side slip is used to compensate for crosswind drift, the
> aircraft longitudinal axis is parallel to the runway centerline.

And, though I've heard about the "crab and kick" method, I'm a little
surprised that it works. As soon as one "kicks", one is drifting. Isn't
the side-loading at touch-down a problem? Or is that too small to matter?

- Andrew

[Jay Beckman]

"Andrew Gideon" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 21:23:16 +0000, Allen wrote:
>
>> A side slip is used to compensate for crosswind drift, the
>> aircraft longitudinal axis is parallel to the runway centerline.
>
> And, though I've heard about the "crab and kick" method, I'm a little
> surprised that it works. As soon as one "kicks", one is drifting. Isn't
> the side-loading at touch-down a problem? Or is that too small to matter?
>
> - Andrew
>

As you "kick," you lower the upwind wing and keep runway alignment with
rudder. No drift.

Jay B

[Steve Foley[_2_]]

"Mark T. Dame" > wrote in message
...

> I second that. The only way to improve the signal to noise ratio is to
> have more valuable posts, since the noise isn't going to go away.

What noise?

View->Current View->Show All Messages

OH! That noise!!!

View->Current View->Hide Ignored Message

ahhhhhh... That's better......

[Andrew Gideon]

On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 15:23:02 -0700, Jay Beckman wrote:

> As you "kick," you lower the upwind wing and keep runway alignment with
> rudder. No drift.

Well, it's been a long time since that method has been described to me.
But I've long assumed that the "crab and kick" method didn't involve a
transition into a slip. If I'm wrong, then I've been doing "crab and
kick" for a while.

- Andrew

[Euan Kilgour]

On Apr 6, 9:44 am, Andrew Gideon > wrote:
> On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 21:23:16 +0000, Allen wrote:
> > A side slip is used to compensate for crosswind drift, the
> > aircraft longitudinal axis is parallel to the runway centerline.
>
> And, though I've heard about the "crab and kick" method, I'm a little
> surprised that it works. As soon as one "kicks", one is drifting. Isn't
> the side-loading at touch-down a problem? Or is that too small to matter?

If you lower the into wind wing too much or not enough you run the
risk of sideloading the gear so it requires a steady hand and constant
adjustments to get it right. Its not rocket science though.