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Scott

August 9th 03, 10:45 PM

Nah, you don't want to use composer. Real Men and Women write in HTML!

;)

Been there, Doing that for 5 years now...

Scott
http://corbenflyer.tripod.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ParasolAirplanes
Building RV-4
Gotta Fly or Gonna Die!

Jerry Wass wrote:
>
> Yeah Man!
> Thanks Ron !
> I was just tryin to learn how to do that--my network provider will give me a site,
> & the best thing--(I didn't know till you told me) My Nutscrape 4.8 has the
> Composer
> too!!--2WINGS2U--Jerry
>
> RobertR237 wrote:
>
> > Hey Ron,
> >
> > Ok, now that I am infamous, where are the riches you promised.
> >
> > Just got my September issue of KitPlanes and saw the story on Building a Home
> > Page. Great article and I was pleased to see my Web Page in the composite shot
> > at the beginning of the article. I was really surprised to see a much larger
> > shot and caption on one of the following pages.
> >
> > Thanks for the coverage and I am watching the mailbox every day for that
> > fortune you promised. ;-)
> >
> > Bob Reed
> > www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
> > KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....
> >
> > "Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
> > pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
> > (M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

--

Tom Dukerich

August 10th 03, 01:30 AM

And pop-ups are annoying.

On Sat, 09 Aug 2003 21:45:30 +0000, Scott wrote:

> Nah, you don't want to use composer. Real Men and Women write in HTML!
>
> ;)
>
> Been there, Doing that for 5 years now...
>
> Scott
> http://corbenflyer.tripod.com
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ParasolAirplanes
> Building RV-4
> Gotta Fly or Gonna Die!
>
>
> Jerry Wass wrote:
>>
>> Yeah Man!
>> Thanks Ron !
>> I was just tryin to learn how to do that--my network provider will give me a site,
>> & the best thing--(I didn't know till you told me) My Nutscrape 4.8 has the
>> Composer
>> too!!--2WINGS2U--Jerry
>>
>> RobertR237 wrote:
>>
>> > Hey Ron,
>> >
>> > Ok, now that I am infamous, where are the riches you promised.
>> >
>> > Just got my September issue of KitPlanes and saw the story on Building a Home
>> > Page. Great article and I was pleased to see my Web Page in the composite shot
>> > at the beginning of the article. I was really surprised to see a much larger
>> > shot and caption on one of the following pages.
>> >
>> > Thanks for the coverage and I am watching the mailbox every day for that
>> > fortune you promised. ;-)
>> >
>> > Bob Reed
>> > www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
>> > KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....
>> >
>> > "Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
>> > pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
>> > (M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)
>
> --

Richard Lamb

August 10th 03, 02:51 AM

Balderdash!
Real men write in Assembly!

Scott wrote:
>
> Nah, you don't want to use composer. Real Men and Women write in HTML!
>
> ;)
>
> Been there, Doing that for 5 years now...
>
> Scott
> http://corbenflyer.tripod.com
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ParasolAirplanes
> Building RV-4
> Gotta Fly or Gonna Die!
>
> Jerry Wass wrote:
> >
> > Yeah Man!
> > Thanks Ron !
> > I was just tryin to learn how to do that--my network provider will give me a site,
> > & the best thing--(I didn't know till you told me) My Nutscrape 4.8 has the
> > Composer
> > too!!--2WINGS2U--Jerry
> >
> > RobertR237 wrote:
> >
> > > Hey Ron,
> > >
> > > Ok, now that I am infamous, where are the riches you promised.
> > >
> > > Just got my September issue of KitPlanes and saw the story on Building a Home
> > > Page. Great article and I was pleased to see my Web Page in the composite shot
> > > at the beginning of the article. I was really surprised to see a much larger
> > > shot and caption on one of the following pages.
> > >
> > > Thanks for the coverage and I am watching the mailbox every day for that
> > > fortune you promised. ;-)
> > >
> > > Bob Reed
> > > www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
> > > KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....
> > >
> > > "Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
> > > pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
> > > (M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)
>
> --

Roger Halstead

August 10th 03, 09:57 AM

On Sat, 09 Aug 2003 21:45:30 +0000, Scott >
wrote:

>Nah, you don't want to use composer. Real Men and Women write in HTML!
>
>;)
>
>Been there, Doing that for 5 years now...

After using Netscape composer, MS Word, and MS Front Page I try to do
almost all of my HTML by hand coding.

I sometimes use Front Page, but only after creating the page first.
Never create one in Front Page. It creates huge files of bloat code
and adds about 3 to 5 pages of definitions at the beginning.

I only used composer a couple of times and it took several days to get
the page back to normal, but FP is bad and saving in HTML from a Word
doc is worse.

Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member)
www.rogerhalstead.com
N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2)

>
>Scott
>http://corbenflyer.tripod.com
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ParasolAirplanes
>Building RV-4
>Gotta Fly or Gonna Die!
>
>
>Jerry Wass wrote:
>>
>> Yeah Man!
>> Thanks Ron !
>> I was just tryin to learn how to do that--my network provider will give me a site,
>> & the best thing--(I didn't know till you told me) My Nutscrape 4.8 has the
>> Composer
>> too!!--2WINGS2U--Jerry
>>
>> RobertR237 wrote:
>>
>> > Hey Ron,
>> >
>> > Ok, now that I am infamous, where are the riches you promised.
>> >
>> > Just got my September issue of KitPlanes and saw the story on Building a Home
>> > Page. Great article and I was pleased to see my Web Page in the composite shot
>> > at the beginning of the article. I was really surprised to see a much larger
>> > shot and caption on one of the following pages.
>> >
>> > Thanks for the coverage and I am watching the mailbox every day for that
>> > fortune you promised. ;-)
>> >
>> > Bob Reed
>> > www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
>> > KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....
>> >
>> > "Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
>> > pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
>> > (M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

Barnyard BOb --

August 10th 03, 11:05 AM

>>Balderdash!
>>Real men write in Assembly!
>
>Assembly? You give up on Machine code?
>
>Roger Halstead
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

You're both wrong.

Real men leave this geeky bull**** to hired guns,
while they go out and bore holes in the sky....
with or without a couple of engines - or vigins.

Barnyard BOb -- stranger than fiction

Robert Bonomi

August 10th 03, 12:53 PM

In article >,
Barnyard BOb -- > wrote:
>
> ....... or vigins.
>
>Barnyard BOb -- stranger than fiction
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Aint _that_ the truth!

I'm still trying to decide on a good definition to fit that v-word

seantrost

August 10th 03, 01:32 PM

I was hopin he ment boring holes in the sky with viggins, as in the swedish
jet....now if we could only get a virgin in a viggin ........

all the best
Sean Trost

Barnyard BOb -- > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 10 Aug 2003 11:53:14 GMT, bonomi@c-ns. (Robert Bonomi) wrote:
>
> >In article >,
> >Barnyard BOb -- > wrote:
> >>
> >> ....... or vigins.
> >>
> >>Barnyard BOb -- stranger than fiction
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >
> >Aint _that_ the truth!
> >
> >I'm still trying to decide on a good definition to fit that v-word
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> O0oops. ;-(
>
> The word is...
>
> VIRGINS,
>
> VIRGINS,
>
> VIRGINS,
>
> VIRGINS,
>
> VIRGINS...
>
> for the $#^&* spelling police dweebs.
>
> VIRGIN...
>
> 1. A person who has not experienced sexual intercourse.
> 2. A chaste or unmarried woman; a maiden.
>
>
> Barnyard BOb -- stranger than fiction
>
>
>

Warren & Nancy

August 10th 03, 01:38 PM

All right you computer guys! Why is it that there are more and more web sites that
Netscape can't read? How are they programming, and why?

Damn, it's frustrating!

Warren

Roger Halstead wrote:

> On Sat, 09 Aug 2003 21:45:30 +0000, Scott >
> wrote:
>
> >Nah, you don't want to use composer. Real Men and Women write in HTML!
> >
> >;)
> >
> >Been there, Doing that for 5 years now...
>
> After using Netscape composer, MS Word, and MS Front Page I try to do
> almost all of my HTML by hand coding.
>
> I sometimes use Front Page, but only after creating the page first.
> Never create one in Front Page. It creates huge files of bloat code
> and adds about 3 to 5 pages of definitions at the beginning.
>
> I only used composer a couple of times and it took several days to get
> the page back to normal, but FP is bad and saving in HTML from a Word
> doc is worse.
>
> Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member)
> www.rogerhalstead.com
> N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2)
>
> >
> >Scott
> >http://corbenflyer.tripod.com
> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ParasolAirplanes
> >Building RV-4
> >Gotta Fly or Gonna Die!
> >
> >
> >Jerry Wass wrote:
> >>
> >> Yeah Man!
> >> Thanks Ron !
> >> I was just tryin to learn how to do that--my network provider will give me a site,
> >> & the best thing--(I didn't know till you told me) My Nutscrape 4.8 has the
> >> Composer
> >> too!!--2WINGS2U--Jerry
> >>
> >> RobertR237 wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hey Ron,
> >> >
> >> > Ok, now that I am infamous, where are the riches you promised.
> >> >
> >> > Just got my September issue of KitPlanes and saw the story on Building a Home
> >> > Page. Great article and I was pleased to see my Web Page in the composite shot
> >> > at the beginning of the article. I was really surprised to see a much larger
> >> > shot and caption on one of the following pages.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks for the coverage and I am watching the mailbox every day for that
> >> > fortune you promised. ;-)
> >> >
> >> > Bob Reed
> >> > www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
> >> > KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....
> >> >
> >> > "Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
> >> > pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
> >> > (M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

pac plyer

August 10th 03, 03:02 PM

Scott > wrote in message >...
> Nah, you don't want to use composer. Real Men and Women write in HTML!
>
> ;)
>
> Been there, Doing that for 5 years now...
>
> Scott

Scott is that HTML 4? Did 4 ever catch on? I was trying to learn it
(just for grins) before various women started distracting me from that
and flying. ;-)

pac

Ron Wanttaja

August 10th 03, 05:09 PM

On Sun, 10 Aug 2003 11:53:14 GMT, bonomi@c-ns. (Robert Bonomi) wrote:

>In article >,
>Barnyard BOb -- > wrote:
>>
>> ....... or vigins.
>
>I'm still trying to decide on a good definition to fit that v-word

Small gray birds that haven't met BOb yet? :-)

Ron Wanttaja

Ron Wanttaja

August 10th 03, 05:24 PM

On Sun, 10 Aug 2003 11:41:26 +0000, Scott > wrote:

>Ha! REAL REAL Men write in Machine Language! We don't need no stinkin'
>mnemonics!!
>
>C9 22 FF E0 10 1C ...

HA! I resemble that remark. I took a class in machine language about
twenty years ago (on the 8080, I think) and soon after bought a VIC-20.
Tried to write a flight simulator in straight BASIC, but it ran too slow.
So I bought the "Programmer's Guide to the VIC-20" and taught myself the
6502 machine language.

My 8080 course had given me forms to hand-write my program (one column for
the address in hex, one column for the mnemonic, another column for the
command in hex, and a wide column for the description), and I wrote a BASIC
program that would translate an input hex value into decimal and "poke" it
into the next memory location.

Biggest problem I had was with adding patches to fix stuff. If I didn't
include a lot of NOPs (No operations, null areas), I'd have to reassign all
the memory locations and re-type the whole durned program.

I ended up selling the program to a Silicon Valley software company. But
it wasn't until they wanted a Commodore 64 version of the program that they
discovered I was programming in straight machine code. They wanted a copy
of the "assembler code", so I sent them Xerox copies of my handwritten
sheets. They were absolutely aghast.

I got a gen-u-wine assembler program from them....

Ron Wanttaja

RobertR237

August 10th 03, 05:55 PM

In article >, Roger Halstead
> writes:

>
>Assembly? You give up on Machine code?
>
>Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member)
>www.rogerhalstead.com
>N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2)
>
>

I did machine code in the eary years then moved on to assembly. I don't miss
either.

Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

RobertR237

August 10th 03, 05:56 PM

In article >, Roger Halstead
> writes:

>
>After using Netscape composer, MS Word, and MS Front Page I try to do
>almost all of my HTML by hand coding.
>
>I sometimes use Front Page, but only after creating the page first.
>Never create one in Front Page. It creates huge files of bloat code
>and adds about 3 to 5 pages of definitions at the beginning.
>
>I only used composer a couple of times and it took several days to get
>the page back to normal, but FP is bad and saving in HTML from a Word
>doc is worse.
>
>Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member)
>www.rogerhalstead.com
>N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2)
>
>

If you would rather spend your time on content instead of HTML then try the
AOLPRESS product. It is free and very easy to use. Not fancy by any means but
works.

Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

Roger Halstead

August 10th 03, 06:55 PM

On Sun, 10 Aug 2003 08:38:21 -0400, Warren & Nancy >
wrote:

>All right you computer guys! Why is it that there are more and more web sites that
>Netscape can't read? How are they programming, and why?

The composers are using MS applications that are not completely NS
compliant. The latest incarnation of NS reads almost anything IE does
and it's one whale of a lot better than the earlier versions.
Particularly Vs 6 which was so bad I took it off the machines.

I've not been keeping up on it but the latest versions of MS office
and Front Page use XHTML (Extended HTML) and Netscape can not
interpret some of the commands. Course even the earlier versions of ME
IE and Netscape, what ever version, were not completely compatible.

If for instance you program a page using Front Page, the thing sets up
links to runs some of the code from the MS site which includes the
version, who did it, and a bunch of other stuff. Not that I'd accuse
MS of intentionally writing stuff that wouldn't run on other peoples
browsers...

FP and Word create code that is huge. A really big list of
definitions at the beginning and then they format *every* line. Even
if it's a big paragraph they still format every line. You can easily
end up with 3 to 5 lines of formatting code for one short line of
text. That means a ten line paragraph could end up taking 50 lines of
source which adds to the time to load the page.

It's bloated and sloppy programming, but it makes it easy for the
beginner to create a fancy page with flashing banners, crawling text,
and changing colors that are pretty, but difficult to read and
disliked by most users.

For me it's far easier to save the word doc as a text file and then
add the HTML tags.

Frames were considered bad form for some time. Now, many pages use
them. If not overdone they are kinda handy.

HTML itself only has about a couple dozen commands, but they can be
used in many ways It's very straight forward and easy to use if you
don't try to get too fancy. and it's a pain for e-mail and news
groups. Both my mail and news readers are set for plain text only to
prevent malicious code and tracking means to be loaded.

OTOH XHML has quite a few more commands. Again it will pull some of
the operating procedures from links.

Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member)
www.rogerhalstead.com
N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2)

>
>Damn, it's frustrating!
>
>Warren
>
>Roger Halstead wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 09 Aug 2003 21:45:30 +0000, Scott >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Nah, you don't want to use composer. Real Men and Women write in HTML!
>> >
>> >;)
>> >
>> >Been there, Doing that for 5 years now...
>>
>> After using Netscape composer, MS Word, and MS Front Page I try to do
>> almost all of my HTML by hand coding.
>>
>> I sometimes use Front Page, but only after creating the page first.
>> Never create one in Front Page. It creates huge files of bloat code
>> and adds about 3 to 5 pages of definitions at the beginning.
>>
>> I only used composer a couple of times and it took several days to get
>> the page back to normal, but FP is bad and saving in HTML from a Word
>> doc is worse.
>>
>> Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member)
>> www.rogerhalstead.com
>> N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2)
>>
>> >
>> >Scott
>> >http://corbenflyer.tripod.com
>> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ParasolAirplanes
>> >Building RV-4
>> >Gotta Fly or Gonna Die!
>> >
>> >
>> >Jerry Wass wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Yeah Man!
>> >> Thanks Ron !
>> >> I was just tryin to learn how to do that--my network provider will give me a site,
>> >> & the best thing--(I didn't know till you told me) My Nutscrape 4.8 has the
>> >> Composer
>> >> too!!--2WINGS2U--Jerry
>> >>
>> >> RobertR237 wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Hey Ron,
>> >> >
>> >> > Ok, now that I am infamous, where are the riches you promised.
>> >> >
>> >> > Just got my September issue of KitPlanes and saw the story on Building a Home
>> >> > Page. Great article and I was pleased to see my Web Page in the composite shot
>> >> > at the beginning of the article. I was really surprised to see a much larger
>> >> > shot and caption on one of the following pages.
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks for the coverage and I am watching the mailbox every day for that
>> >> > fortune you promised. ;-)
>> >> >
>> >> > Bob Reed
>> >> > www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
>> >> > KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....
>> >> >
>> >> > "Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
>> >> > pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
>> >> > (M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

David O

August 10th 03, 09:30 PM

Warren & Nancy > wrote:

>All right you computer guys! Why is it that there are more and more web sites that
>Netscape can't read? How are they programming, and why?
>
>Damn, it's frustrating!
>
>Warren

HTML is an evolving specification. What your old browser knows of
HTML 4.01 and style sheets is likely wrong and/or incomplete, hence
the poor rendering. Style sheets are here to stay -- they obviate the
need for much of the formatting that litters older HTML code. As more
web programmers migrate to the new specification, more web pages will
fail to render correctly in older browsers. The fix, for you, is to
update to a current web browser. I recommend Mozilla. Mozilla is the
browser upon which the latest Netscape is based. With Mozilla, you'll
get the best browser sans the commercial trappings of its Netscape
derivative. Once you've experience the tabbed browsing features of
Mozilla, you'll never look back. A Mozilla hint: Set preferences so
that your middle mouse button (mouse wheel depress) opens a new tab in
Mozilla when clicked on a link. Also, set preferences to load new
tabs in the background. Another great feature in Mozilla is pop-up
control, either globally or on a per-site basis. Don't like that
pop-up? Simple, right click it and select "Disallow pop-ups from this
site". Mozilla rocks.

Don't let the mozilla web site confuse you, it's geared towards
programmers and offers ancillary programs that you don't need. All
you need is the latest stable release of Mozilla for your platform
(Mozilla 1.4 as of this post). Look in the upper left hand corner for
the correct download link.

http://www.mozilla.org

David O -- http://www.AirplaneZone.com

Barnyard BOb --

August 10th 03, 11:02 PM

>>> ....... or vigins.
>>
>>I'm still trying to decide on a good definition to fit that v-word
>
>Small gray birds that haven't met BOb yet? :-)
>
>Ron Wanttaja
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Whew.
I thought I read....

small GAY birds.

Barnyard BOb --

Roger Halstead

August 11th 03, 01:46 AM

On 10 Aug 2003 16:56:02 GMT, (RobertR237)
wrote:

>In article >, Roger Halstead
> writes:
>
>>
>>After using Netscape composer, MS Word, and MS Front Page I try to do
>>almost all of my HTML by hand coding.
>>
>>I sometimes use Front Page, but only after creating the page first.
>>Never create one in Front Page. It creates huge files of bloat code
>>and adds about 3 to 5 pages of definitions at the beginning.
>>
>>I only used composer a couple of times and it took several days to get
>>the page back to normal, but FP is bad and saving in HTML from a Word
>>doc is worse.
>>
>>Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member)
>>www.rogerhalstead.com
>>N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2)
>>
>>
>
>If you would rather spend your time on content instead of HTML then try the
>AOLPRESS product. It is free and very easy to use. Not fancy by any means but
>works.

Ever since having been a customer of AOL way back in the early days
I've had an aversions to anything with the letters AOL in it. However
It sounds like it might be worthwhile investigating.

Not that Word and FP don't create nice looking and functional pages.
They do. It's just they use about five times as much resources than
what are needed. Plus the source code is difficult to read as much of
it is calls.

Thanks, Bob,

Roger
>
>
>Bob Reed
>www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
>KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....
>
>"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
>pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
>(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member)
www.rogerhalstead.com
N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2)

Scott

August 11th 03, 01:54 AM

Yes, HTML 4 is what I write in.

Scott

pac plyer wrote:
>
> Scott > wrote in message >...
> > Nah, you don't want to use composer. Real Men and Women write in HTML!
> >
> > ;)
> >
> > Been there, Doing that for 5 years now...
> >
> > Scott
>
> Scott is that HTML 4? Did 4 ever catch on? I was trying to learn it
> (just for grins) before various women started distracting me from that
> and flying. ;-)
>
> pac

--

Scott
http://corbenflyer.tripod.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ParasolAirplanes
Building RV-4
Gotta Fly or Gonna Die!

James Taylor

August 11th 03, 04:01 AM

Actually, FrontPage 2000 and 2002 are fine for professioanl level stuff as
long as you;
1.) Set the defaults to not have FP change your code
2.) Check your code to make sure it is compliant with whatever spec you
declare at the top of your code base at W3C
3.) tweak the little things like META TAGS, title and margin tags

We have used FP for 7 years and have built sites for some fortune 100
companies with it. You need to know HTML to know what to fine tune but FP
is fine for those who understand it.

ALSO, never use frames if you want to rank well in any of the search
engines. Frames and iframes break search engine spiders and iframes still
don't work in Netscape.

IF you check your server logs, you are probably looking at about 2% Netscape
usage and about 87% Internet Explorer. Desiging for Netscape is moot point
nowadays unless you KNOW you have clients on it or are building a general
shopping cart application.

From an SEO standpoint, (if you want to be found in the search engines) keep
your code clean and up to W3C standards, no matter what editor you use,
build great content and get as many in-bound links as you can.

James Taylor
CEO
ww.AICompany.com

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Corrie

August 11th 03, 08:00 AM

Roger Halstead > wrote in message >...

> Never create one in Front Page. It creates huge files of bloat code
> and adds about 3 to 5 pages of definitions at the beginning.
>
> I only used composer a couple of times and it took several days to get
> the page back to normal, but FP is bad and saving in HTML from a Word
> doc is worse.

No screamin'. I did a test once - saving a single unformatted
sentence from Word as HTML yielded about thirty lines of code. A
couple of years ago I redid a site that had been done in FP
(http://www.hoffmanguitars.com/). I essentially started over rather
than try to salvage the FP files. Personally, I prefer Macromedia
Dreamweaver. It rarely gets clever and tries to read your mind the
way MS products do.

Corrie - doing this for a living since 1993.

Richard Lamb

August 11th 03, 11:02 AM

Corrie wrote:
>
> Scott > wrote in message >...
> > Ha! REAL REAL Men write in Machine Language! We don't need no stinkin'
> > mnemonics!!
> >
> > C9 22 FF E0 10 1C ...
> >
> > =:o
> >
> > Scott
> > http://corbenflyer.tripod.com
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ParasolAirplanes
> > Building RV-4
> > Gotta Fly or Gonna Die!
> >
> > Richard Lamb wrote:
> > >
> > > Balderdash!
> > > Real men write in Assembly!
>
> My dad was a senior systems engineer for IBM. He used to debug VMS by
> dumping core to the line printer and reading the hex...
>
> Being second-generation, I cut my teeth on FORTRAN. Then
> minicomputers came along and I learned a little assembler - you needed
> it with CP/M. But I've forgotten most of it, just a few mnemonics:
>
> PD - punch disk
> PDO - punch disk operator
> FCM - flush core memory
> DEO - do everything over
>
> Corrie

The early apples reputedly had a HCF instruction.
Halt and Catch Fire.
Which it would do!

Barnyard BOb --

August 11th 03, 01:40 PM

>The fix, for you, is to
>update to a current web browser. I recommend Mozilla. Mozilla is the
>browser upon which the latest Netscape is based. With Mozilla, you'll
>get the best browser sans the commercial trappings of its Netscape
>derivative. Once you've experience the tabbed browsing features of
>Mozilla, you'll never look back. A Mozilla hint: Set preferences so
>that your middle mouse button (mouse wheel depress) opens a new tab in
>Mozilla when clicked on a link. Also, set preferences to load new
>tabs in the background. Another great feature in Mozilla is pop-up
>control, either globally or on a per-site basis. Don't like that
>pop-up? Simple, right click it and select "Disallow pop-ups from this
>site". Mozilla rocks.
>
>Don't let the mozilla web site confuse you, it's geared towards
>programmers and offers ancillary programs that you don't need. All
>you need is the latest stable release of Mozilla for your platform
>(Mozilla 1.4 as of this post). Look in the upper left hand corner for
>the correct download link.
>
>http://www.mozilla.org
>
>David O -- http://www.AirplaneZone.com
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Dave,

Mozilla.... ROCKS?

I've been "Netscaping" for years, although
I've kept Mozilla handy - just in case.
Not sure why I never did the opposite.
Old habits die hard?

Given your expert recommendation...
Mozilla is my new default browser.

Barnyard BOb - Tastes great while less filling

Warren & Nancy

August 11th 03, 02:24 PM

Thanks to you and Roger.

David O wrote:

> Warren & Nancy > wrote:
>
> >All right you computer guys! Why is it that there are more and more web sites that
> >Netscape can't read? How are they programming, and why?
> >
> >Damn, it's frustrating!
> >
> >Warren
>
> HTML is an evolving specification. What your old browser knows of
> HTML 4.01 and style sheets is likely wrong and/or incomplete, hence
> the poor rendering. Style sheets are here to stay -- they obviate the
> need for much of the formatting that litters older HTML code. As more
> web programmers migrate to the new specification, more web pages will
> fail to render correctly in older browsers. The fix, for you, is to
> update to a current web browser. I recommend Mozilla. Mozilla is the
> browser upon which the latest Netscape is based. With Mozilla, you'll
> get the best browser sans the commercial trappings of its Netscape
> derivative. Once you've experience the tabbed browsing features of
> Mozilla, you'll never look back. A Mozilla hint: Set preferences so
> that your middle mouse button (mouse wheel depress) opens a new tab in
> Mozilla when clicked on a link. Also, set preferences to load new
> tabs in the background. Another great feature in Mozilla is pop-up
> control, either globally or on a per-site basis. Don't like that
> pop-up? Simple, right click it and select "Disallow pop-ups from this
> site". Mozilla rocks.
>
> Don't let the mozilla web site confuse you, it's geared towards
> programmers and offers ancillary programs that you don't need. All
> you need is the latest stable release of Mozilla for your platform
> (Mozilla 1.4 as of this post). Look in the upper left hand corner for
> the correct download link.
>
> http://www.mozilla.org
>
> David O -- http://www.AirplaneZone.com

RobertR237

August 11th 03, 02:45 PM

In article >, Roger Halstead
> writes:

>
>Ever since having been a customer of AOL way back in the early days
>I've had an aversions to anything with the letters AOL in it. However
>It sounds like it might be worthwhile investigating.
>
>Not that Word and FP don't create nice looking and functional pages.
>They do. It's just they use about five times as much resources than
>what are needed. Plus the source code is difficult to read as much of
>it is calls.
>
>Thanks, Bob,
>
>

I understand you aversion to AOL and had it not been for the fact that AOL was
so readily available anywhere that I traveled I would have dropped it long ago
too. As it turns out now, I am having less problems with it than my daughter
has had with a half dozen different suppliers she has tried.

As far a the AOLPRESS product is concerned, it was an early attempt by AOL to
make creation of home pages easy for their users. I don't know why they
decided to not continue support but the product is still available and works
well. I use it to maintain my own web page because I feel that I spend too
much time on the web site anyway and don't want to spend even more.

The only hitch I have found is that the JPG photos produced by most digital
cameras must be edited and saved before they can be used in your web page.

Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

John Ousterhout

August 11th 03, 04:30 PM

On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 07:28:12 -0700, Ed Wischmeyer
> wrote:

>XP! - excecute programmer immediate

NEW ASSEMBLY LANGUAGE COMMANDS

AAR alter at random
ABW add backwards
AFV add finagle's variable constant
AWT assemble with tinker toys
BAC branch to alpha centauri
BAF blow all fuses
BCI branch creating infinite loop
BDC break down and cry
BFR belch fire
BDT burn data tree
BRG burn registers
BWM branch on whim
CHV create havoc
CMD compare meaningless data
CML compute meaning of life
COL crash for operator's lunch break
CRS continue running after stop or halt
CSL curse and swear loudly
CVG convert to garbage
DBU destroy backup
DBZ divide by zero
DDC dally during calculations
DMR dump memory to russians
DOC drive operator crazy
DLN don't look now...
DPI define pi
DPR destroy program
DSF destroy source file
DTC destroy this command
DTV destroy third variable from left
DWD destroy world (global thermonuclear war)
EAD erase all disks
ECO electrocute computer operator
EIA execute in any order
ENF emit noxious fumes
FLI flash lights impressively
FSM fold spindle and mutilate
GCA get correct answer regardless (must be followed by SCCA)
HCF halt and catch fire
HIB hang innocent bystander
HOP hang operator
ISC insert sarcastic comments
JTZ jump to twilight zone
LPA lead programmer astray
MAZ multiply answer by zero
MWT malfunction without telling
OML obey murphy's laws
PHC punch extra holes in cards
PNR print nasty replies to programmer
RAN randomize answer
RCB read commands backwards
RDA refuse to disclose answer
RLI rotate left indefinitely
RPM read programmer's mind
SAI skip all instructions
SCC short circuit on correct answer
SFH set flags to half mast
SRD shift right, double rediculous
TAW trash always
TEV trash everything
TLO turn indicator lights off
TPD tell programmer to do it him/herself
TSR trash and stay resident
TTA try, try again
WSW work in strange and wondrous ways

Check out "A Real Programmer, The Story of Mel" on my web page. Note
the 'created with' icon at the bottom of the page. (Roger, you can
review my html code)

- John (terse code) Ousterhout -
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ousterj/

Ron Natalie

August 11th 03, 04:41 PM

"John Ousterhout" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 07:28:12 -0700, Ed Wischmeyer
> > wrote:
>
> >XP! - excecute programmer immediate
>
> NEW ASSEMBLY LANGUAGE COMMANDS
>
You're missing the infamous HCF...Halt and Catch Fire instruction.

A friend of mine went to a new startup called "CatchFire Systems." He
swears it's only coincidentally related to HCF.

Of course, the other fun one was the new UNIX errno value:

ELECTROLUX ... Your code needs cleaning up.

Robert Bonomi

August 11th 03, 05:51 PM

In article >,
Corrie > wrote:
>Scott > wrote in message
>...
>> Ha! REAL REAL Men write in Machine Language! We don't need no stinkin'
>> mnemonics!!
>>
>> C9 22 FF E0 10 1C ...
>>
>> =:o
>>
>> Scott
>> http://corbenflyer.tripod.com
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ParasolAirplanes
>> Building RV-4
>> Gotta Fly or Gonna Die!
>>
>> Richard Lamb wrote:
>> >
>> > Balderdash!
>> > Real men write in Assembly!
>
>My dad was a senior systems engineer for IBM. He used to debug VMS by
>dumping core to the line printer and reading the hex...
>
>Being second-generation, I cut my teeth on FORTRAN. Then
>minicomputers came along and I learned a little assembler - you needed
>it with CP/M. But I've forgotten most of it, just a few mnemonics:
>
>PD - punch disk
>PDO - punch disk operator
>FCM - flush core memory
>DEO - do everything over

From the late 60s/ early 70s, the "IBM OVER-EXTENDED MNEMONICS" list included:

HCF halt and catch fire
BCEG Branch on CE grounded
BBBO Branch on bit-bucket overflow
BBBB branch and bite baudy bit
BLRA branch and lose return address
BRL Branch to random location

CRN convert to roman numerals
TPD triple pack decimal

ROM read operator's mind (*NEVER* implemented)

BCP backspace card punch
RLP rewind line printer
SLP sharpen light pen

PC punch card
PT punch tape
PO punch operator

FSRA Form skip and runaway

There were a couple of _hundred_ such on the 'over-extended mnemonics'list.
These ar a handfull from memory, from not having seen the actual list ins 20+
years.

Robert Bonomi

August 11th 03, 06:01 PM

In article >,
Ron Natalie > wrote:
>
>"John Ousterhout"
> wrote in
>message
...
>> On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 07:28:12 -0700, Ed Wischmeyer
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >XP! - excecute programmer immediate
>>
>> NEW ASSEMBLY LANGUAGE COMMANDS
>>
>You're missing the infamous HCF...Halt and Catch Fire instruction.
>
>A friend of mine went to a new startup called "CatchFire Systems." He
>swears it's only coincidentally related to HCF.
>
>Of course, the other fun one was the new UNIX errno value:
>
> ELECTROLUX ... Your code needs cleaning up.

a few others:

EFLAT ... file system needs tuning

EEEEEEEE ... speaker too close to microphone.

EIEIO ... "Bug, bug, here, bug, bug, there,
here a bug, there a bug....."

I was there, _at_ that conference where the "invent an error message" contest
was held, that all these came from.

The winner, by acclamation -- *after* it was explained to the Brits that
threw it out in the preliminary judging -- was:

EMR_ED "A host is a host,
from coast to coast,
And no one will talk to
a host that's close.
Unless, of course,
the host that isn't close,
is either down, or hung, or dead."

It got a _standing_ovation_ from the entire room of 1000+ techies, when it
was read.

David O

August 11th 03, 09:38 PM

Barnyard BOb -- > wrote:

>
>> Mozilla rocks.
>>
>>http://www.mozilla.org
>>
>>David O
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>AND....
>the spell checker is where?
>
>
>Barnyard BOb --

Spell checker? SPELL CHECKER??? I don't need a spelling checker in
Mozilla because I use,

Mozilla for web browsing
Eudora for email
Agent for Usenet
Dreamweaver MX for web site development

However, for those who need a spell checker in Mozilla it's easy to
add. Here is the official Mozilla spell checker...

http://spellchecker.mozdev.org/installation.html

Simply scroll down to the version of Mozilla you are using and click
"install" next to your operating system. The spell checker will
install itself automatically. You will then have a "Spell" button in
the modes of Mozilla where you compose stuff.

David O -- http://www.AirplaneZone.com

RobertR237

August 11th 03, 11:52 PM

In article >, bonomi@c-ns.
(Robert Bonomi) writes:

>
>There were a couple of _hundred_ such on the 'over-extended mnemonics'list.
>These ar a handfull from memory, from not having seen the actual list ins 20+
>years.
>
>

Would you guys PLEASE stop this. You are bringing back memories that I should
be too damn young to remember. I am not, but I should be.

I will never forget the fun we had sending those young green newbies down to
the computer room to empty the bit bucket. Then there was the bucket of ****
we used to place under the water cooled core memory on that old CDC-1604
computer. We would send the newbies down to check for leaks. The only way to
check was stick your hand in the bucket.

Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

Robert Bonomi

August 12th 03, 12:11 AM

In article >,
Jbaloun > wrote:
>Thanks, Roger David Corrie and James and all for the intro to current
>html standards.
>
>As html is an open architecure, if you don't mind, do you have any
>particular websites which you consider to be well written as examples?

Any of the html 'validation' sites -- you give 'em a URL and they go
fetch the page, analyze it, and report on how well it conforms to
the existant *standards*. Feeding 'em "other folks" web-sites is a
great way to find out what kind of things *not* to do. <grin>

>
>James
>
>David O > wrote in message
>...
>> Warren & Nancy > wrote:
>>
>> >All right you computer guys! Why is it that there are more and more
>web sites that
>> >Netscape can't read? How are they programming, and why?
>> >
>> >Damn, it's frustrating!
>> >
>> >Warren
>>
>> HTML is an evolving specification. What your old browser knows of
>> HTML 4.01 and style sheets is likely wrong and/or incomplete, hence
>> the poor rendering. Style sheets are here to stay -- they obviate the
>> need for much of the formatting that litters older HTML code. As more
>> web programmers migrate to the new specification, more web pages will
>> fail to render correctly in older browsers. The fix, for you, is to
>> update to a current web browser. I recommend Mozilla. Mozilla is the
>> browser upon which the latest Netscape is based. With Mozilla, you'll
>> get the best browser sans the commercial trappings of its Netscape
>> derivative. Once you've experience the tabbed browsing features of
>> Mozilla, you'll never look back. A Mozilla hint: Set preferences so
>> that your middle mouse button (mouse wheel depress) opens a new tab in
>> Mozilla when clicked on a link. Also, set preferences to load new
>> tabs in the background. Another great feature in Mozilla is pop-up
>> control, either globally or on a per-site basis. Don't like that
>> pop-up? Simple, right click it and select "Disallow pop-ups from this
>> site". Mozilla rocks.
>>
>> Don't let the mozilla web site confuse you, it's geared towards
>> programmers and offers ancillary programs that you don't need. All
>> you need is the latest stable release of Mozilla for your platform
>> (Mozilla 1.4 as of this post). Look in the upper left hand corner for
>> the correct download link.
>>
>> http://www.mozilla.org
>>
>> David O -- http://www.AirplaneZone.com

Mozilla is _great_ as a web-browser.
And OK as an email client.
It is lacking as a newsreader.

TIM WARD

August 12th 03, 02:15 AM

"Robert Bonomi" <bonomi@c-ns.> wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> Corrie > wrote:
> >Scott > wrote in message
> >...
> >> Ha! REAL REAL Men write in Machine Language! We don't need no
stinkin'
> >> mnemonics!!
> >>
> >> C9 22 FF E0 10 1C ...
> >>
> >> =:o
> >>
> >> Scott
> >> http://corbenflyer.tripod.com
> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ParasolAirplanes
> >> Building RV-4
> >> Gotta Fly or Gonna Die!
> >>
> >> Richard Lamb wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Balderdash!
> >> > Real men write in Assembly!
> >
> >My dad was a senior systems engineer for IBM. He used to debug VMS by
> >dumping core to the line printer and reading the hex...
> >
> >Being second-generation, I cut my teeth on FORTRAN. Then
> >minicomputers came along and I learned a little assembler - you needed
> >it with CP/M. But I've forgotten most of it, just a few mnemonics:
> >
> >PD - punch disk
> >PDO - punch disk operator
> >FCM - flush core memory
> >DEO - do everything over
>
> From the late 60s/ early 70s, the "IBM OVER-EXTENDED MNEMONICS" list
included:
>
> HCF halt and catch fire
> BCEG Branch on CE grounded
> BBBO Branch on bit-bucket overflow
> BBBB branch and bite baudy bit
> BLRA branch and lose return address
> BRL Branch to random location
>
> CRN convert to roman numerals
> TPD triple pack decimal
>
> ROM read operator's mind (*NEVER* implemented)
>
>
> BCP backspace card punch
> RLP rewind line printer
> SLP sharpen light pen
>
> PC punch card
> PT punch tape
> PO punch operator
>
>
> FSRA Form skip and runaway
>
>
>
> There were a couple of _hundred_ such on the 'over-extended
mnemonics'list.
> These ar a handfull from memory, from not having seen the actual list ins
20+
> years.

You left out the ever-useful:
CFM Come from

TIm Ward

Roger Halstead

August 12th 03, 03:30 AM

John, I have to ask...Did "Mel" just happen to do this at a school in
the northern wilds of Michigan?

Roger

>Check out "A Real Programmer, The Story of Mel" on my web page. Note
>the 'created with' icon at the bottom of the page. (Roger, you can
>review my html code)
>
>- John (terse code) Ousterhout -
>http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ousterj/

Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member)
www.rogerhalstead.com
N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2)

Roger Halstead

August 12th 03, 03:35 AM

On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 07:40:20 -0500, Barnyard BOb -- >
wrote:

<snip>
>I've been "Netscaping" for years, although
>I've kept Mozilla handy - just in case.
>Not sure why I never did the opposite.
>Old habits die hard?
>
>Given your expert recommendation...
>Mozilla is my new default browser.
>
Got the dragon (big lizard?) right next to the Netscrape icon.

Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member)
www.rogerhalstead.com
N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2)

>
>Barnyard BOb - Tastes great while less filling

Roger Halstead

August 12th 03, 03:52 AM

On 11 Aug 2003 13:45:09 GMT, (RobertR237)
wrote:

>In article >, Roger Halstead
> writes:
<snip>
>
>The only hitch I have found is that the JPG photos produced by most digital
>cameras must be edited and saved before they can be used in your web page.
>
That is pretty much true of most editors. Even the cut and paste.
Forget to resize and insert into FP and you get the size of the image
at what ever resolution it happened to be. If I take a shot out of
my camera in JPG (3.6 megs), or 16 megs in TIFF that is what you will
get. 5 screens high and 8 wide <LOL>

For my builders diary I set the photo size to 240 X 320 and that is
the actual size of the photo used as well.

Soooo...Some editors let you select the size when pasting, or
inserting...I just make them big enough to show what I want.
Unfortunately the panorama of our front yard is 36 megs in jpg. re
sized down to roughly 600K and pixelization is quite noticeable. To
get rid of that requires I increase the image to over 3 megs.

When I down load images from the camera I have several files...The one
for the images...with downloads kept according to date, another
according to subject, and several in the "Internet" file. Those are
kept as two sizes. Full and with a T suffix for tiny.

Then I back up the whole works across the network to at least one
other computer (usually the one with the two 160 gig HDs) as well as
to both CDs and to DVDs.

With photos approaching something akin to 30,000 and I have about
20,000 family photos and slides yet to scan I do have quite a stack of
CDs and DVDs. AND I have had to use the archival backups several
times to restore a corrupted photo.

Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member)
www.rogerhalstead.com
N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2)
>
>Bob Reed
>www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
>KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....
>
>"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
>pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
>(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

RobertR237

August 12th 03, 03:00 PM

In article >, Warren & Nancy >
writes:

>
>I used to take a bunch of slides. I mounted a lot of them in glass. Is
>there a
>good way (easy) to scan them?
>
>Warren
>
>

I don't remember who makes it but you can purchase a slide scanner which will
allow you to scan them.
Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

Roger Halstead

August 12th 03, 09:21 PM

On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 09:01:44 -0400, Warren & Nancy >
wrote:

>I used to take a bunch of slides. I mounted a lot of them in glass. Is there a
>good way (easy) to scan them?

Depends...
It depends on the size of the mounts, what you have available to scan
them, what resolution you want, and how much you are willing to
spend.

I have thousands of aviation slides (about half are in film strips, a
quarter in commercial mounts, and a quarter in plastic mounts) and use
one of the older HP S-20 scanners which are no longer available as far
as I know. It'll go 2400 dpi. which shows the grain in ASA 400, but
is a bit inadequate for ASA 100. It also will scan a print to 5 X 7
and was one of the handiest scanners on the market "to my way of
thinking". I developed my own slides for years as it gave me a quick
turn around, was inexpensive, and simple. I used the Jobo E-6 3
solution process instead of the miserable umpteen step Kodak E-6
process. I made the change right after sending in about 8 36 exposure
rolls to kodak and finding all of them had a bad case of mold when I
got them back. (looks like a whole bunch of tiny black irregular
shaped spots on the photo)
Buying film in 100 foot rolls and doing my own developing gave a total
cost for 36 exp rolls of about $3. High quality plastic mounts added
about another dollar. I think the overall cost may be about double
that now.

BTW, scanning a slide at 2400 or 4,000 dpi creates a very large file.

There are scanners on the market that will swallow the big 2 X 2 glass
mounts, but I don't know of any that are inexpensive.

OTOH "slide copiers" for *some* cameras can be found that work quite
well... AS with the old film method of copying this works the same but
with a digital camera. You probably won't find an adapter unless you
have one of the "upper level" digital cameras.

The best bet would be to ask this question on rec.photo.digital

Like most groups there is a high noise to information level and a few
loose nuts, along with some "left field" information, but overall
it's a helpful (and knowledgeable) bunch.

Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member)
www.rogerhalstead.com
N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2)
<snip for space>

Roger Halstead

August 12th 03, 10:14 PM

<snip<
>
>Soooo...Some editors let you select the size when pasting, or
>inserting...I just make them big enough to show what I want.
>Unfortunately the panorama of our front yard is 36 megs in jpg. re
>sized down to roughly 600K and pixelization is quite noticeable. To
>get rid of that requires I increase the image to over 3 megs.

BTW, the front yard http://www.rogerhalstead.com/yard.htm is about
600K in jpg. It's *WIDE* and requires scrolling.

As a clarification ... if I plan on displaying a 240 X 320, I use the
screen resolution of 96 ppi and resize to 240 X 320. That gives
*roughly* 2 1/2 X 3 1/4 on my screen. On an old 640 X 480 VGA it's
half the screen.

you can set the size in the line: <img src="photoname.jpg" width=320
height=240> even if the image is a 1024 X 768. IT will be displayed
with the definition given...which isn't very practical as you still
have to download the 1024 X 768 so you might as well resize it first.
You can put up a little thumbnail and make the thumbnail a link to the
larger photo so then the viewer has the option of downloading the
larger file.

IF you don't dimension the photo then it will be displayed at screen
resolution which is close to 96 dpi. This is fine for the 240 X 320
but for one that is say... 4,000 X 6000 (35mm slide scanned at 4000
dpi, it will be roughly 40 inches high by 60 inches wide.

Man, talk about thread drift <LOL>

Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member)
www.rogerhalstead.com
N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2)