5 Flights to Make Before You Die

[Jay Honeck]

We've flown coast to coast, Canada to Mexico, for the last 12 years,
and we have seen a lot of beautiful sights. There are way more than
five flights to make before you die -- but these are my Top 5. Can
you add yours?

1. Grand Canyon. Flying over the Grand Canyon is an awesome, almost
religious experience that words simply cannot express. We spent
nearly 2 hours over the canyon, the four of us gaping in awe, in
almost complete silence. There's nothing else like it.

2. Mackinac Island/Mackinac Bridge. At the top of the Great Lakes
sits scenic Mackinac Island. Quaint, with no motor vehicles allowed
(it's either horses or bikes, your choice), this throwback to another
era ("Lost in Time", with Christopher Reeves, was filmed at the Grand
Hotel on Mackinac Island) is always a great place to visit, and an
absolutely gorgeous flight. The beautiful Mackinac Bridge (which does
NOT go to the island, BTW) is one of the largest suspension bridges in
the world, and is truly a wondrous sight to see as well.

3. Barrier Islands/Ocracoke/Hatteras Just a few weeks ago we made
this flight, from Kill Devil Hills, NC to Beaufort, NC, flying
straight down the barrier islands. With the vast Atlantic to our
left, open water to our right (the mainland is often barely visible),
and a thin spit of land beneath us, we made this beautiful flight on a
picture-perfect day.

4. Great Salt Lake. This one may surprise you, but we flew over it
(and the surrounding salt flats) on our way to the Reno Air Races a
few years ago, and I will never forget the stark beauty and utter
desolation of this flight. If you ever want to fly over an alien
planet, check this area out.

5. Oshkosh! This one is pretty obvious, and is the ultimate flight
goal of almost every pilot I've ever met. There is simply no place on
earth like Oshkosh, and to fly into the show is a thrill that is hard
to describe to someone who hasn't done it. More importantly is to
wake up on the field at OSH -- it's a feeling like none other. No
matter what, you MUST make this flight at least once before you die.

Alas, we have had so many great flights, it's hard to whittle it down
to just five. Niagara Falls, Meigs Field, First Flight Airfield, and
a host of others would round out my Top Ten list -- but let's keep it
the Best of the Best, and stick to five for now.

Where would YOU choose to fly before you die?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[CJ]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> We've flown coast to coast, Canada to Mexico, for the last 12 years,
> and we have seen a lot of beautiful sights. There are way more than
> five flights to make before you die -- but these are my Top 5. Can
> you add yours?

Lap of Lake Tahoe. Lucky enough to do it before buying a house stalled my
training. My wife was in the back seat of a rental 172. Rolled right by a
gust above Emerald Bay - my instructor just laughed. Hard to focus with
views EVERYWHERE. 72 mile perimeter can take you hours with all the "did
you see that" thrown in.

Looking forward to summer 2008 when the remodel is done and I can pursue the
PPL again

CJ

[Dallas]

On 7 Apr 2007 21:16:37 -0700, Jay Honeck wrote:

> Where would YOU choose to fly before you die?

I'd fly the 120 miles of the Exumas in the Bahamas... 365 cays and islands
before reaching Exuma International. When you get there, rent a houseboat
and spend a couple of days puttering around Elizabeth Harbour.

--
Dallas

[Shirl]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote:
[snip]
> 2. Mackinac Island/Mackinac Bridge. At the top of the Great Lakes
> sits scenic Mackinac Island. Quaint, with no motor vehicles allowed
> (it's either horses or bikes, your choice), this throwback to another
> era ("Lost in Time", with Christopher Reeves, was filmed at the Grand
> Hotel on Mackinac Island)

That movie was "Somewhere in Time" with Christopher Reeve and Jayne
Seymour (not "Lost in Time").

[Sylvain]

Jay Honeck wrote:
> Where would YOU choose to fly before you die?

One of my dream flight would be to cross the Atlantic on
my own... it has been done before and with the right aircraft
and equipment and preparation it is not such a crazy proposition
anymore. But that's on my list of things to do before I die.

--Sylvain

[Jim Macklin]

The Badlands of SD, Mt. Rushmore, Wyoming at night with a
full moon.



"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
oups.com...
| We've flown coast to coast, Canada to Mexico, for the last
12 years,
| and we have seen a lot of beautiful sights. There are way
more than
| five flights to make before you die -- but these are my
Top 5. Can
| you add yours?
|
| 1. Grand Canyon. Flying over the Grand Canyon is an
awesome, almost
| religious experience that words simply cannot express. We
spent
| nearly 2 hours over the canyon, the four of us gaping in
awe, in
| almost complete silence. There's nothing else like it.
|
| 2. Mackinac Island/Mackinac Bridge. At the top of the
Great Lakes
| sits scenic Mackinac Island. Quaint, with no motor
vehicles allowed
| (it's either horses or bikes, your choice), this throwback
to another
| era ("Lost in Time", with Christopher Reeves, was filmed
at the Grand
| Hotel on Mackinac Island) is always a great place to
visit, and an
| absolutely gorgeous flight. The beautiful Mackinac Bridge
(which does
| NOT go to the island, BTW) is one of the largest
suspension bridges in
| the world, and is truly a wondrous sight to see as well.
|
| 3. Barrier Islands/Ocracoke/Hatteras Just a few weeks
ago we made
| this flight, from Kill Devil Hills, NC to Beaufort, NC,
flying
| straight down the barrier islands. With the vast
Atlantic to our
| left, open water to our right (the mainland is often
barely visible),
| and a thin spit of land beneath us, we made this beautiful
flight on a
| picture-perfect day.
|
| 4. Great Salt Lake. This one may surprise you, but we
flew over it
| (and the surrounding salt flats) on our way to the Reno
Air Races a
| few years ago, and I will never forget the stark beauty
and utter
| desolation of this flight. If you ever want to fly over
an alien
| planet, check this area out.
|
| 5. Oshkosh! This one is pretty obvious, and is the
ultimate flight
| goal of almost every pilot I've ever met. There is simply
no place on
| earth like Oshkosh, and to fly into the show is a thrill
that is hard
| to describe to someone who hasn't done it. More
importantly is to
| wake up on the field at OSH -- it's a feeling like none
other. No
| matter what, you MUST make this flight at least once
before you die.
|
| Alas, we have had so many great flights, it's hard to
whittle it down
| to just five. Niagara Falls, Meigs Field, First Flight
Airfield, and
| a host of others would round out my Top Ten list -- but
let's keep it
| the Best of the Best, and stick to five for now.
|
| Where would YOU choose to fly before you die?
| --
| Jay Honeck
| Iowa City, IA
| Pathfinder N56993
| www.AlexisParkInn.com
| "Your Aviation Destination"
|

[d&tm]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> We've flown coast to coast, Canada to Mexico, for the last 12 years,
> and we have seen a lot of beautiful sights. There are way more than
> five flights to make before you die -- but these are my Top 5. Can
> you add yours?
>
>
1. The Great Ocean Road and 12 Apostles National Park.

2. Outback Australia. - Broken Hill - Bridsville - Alice Springs - Ayers
Rock - Oodnadatta - Coober Pedy - Leigh Creek - Wilpena Pound.

3. South- West Tasmania

4. Sydney Harbour

5. Queenstown to Milford Sound.

Terry

[Bob Noel]

In article . com>,
"Jay Honeck" > wrote:

> We've flown coast to coast, Canada to Mexico, for the last 12 years,
> and we have seen a lot of beautiful sights. There are way more than
> five flights to make before you die -- but these are my Top 5. Can
> you add yours?

I had different take on this...

(in no particular order)
1) First flight
2) First solo
3) First time in the soup
4) First flight in your own airplane
5) First time as private pilot with passenger

--
Bob Noel
(goodness, please trim replies!!!)

[Matt Whiting]

Jay Honeck wrote:
> We've flown coast to coast, Canada to Mexico, for the last 12 years,
> and we have seen a lot of beautiful sights. There are way more than
> five flights to make before you die -- but these are my Top 5. Can
> you add yours?

> Where would YOU choose to fly before you die?

Alaska.

Matt

[Matt Whiting]

Jim Macklin wrote:
> The Badlands of SD, Mt. Rushmore, Wyoming at night with a
> full moon.

So far the only one not sensible enough to trim the post when responding...

[Jay Honeck]

> I had different take on this...
>
> (in no particular order)
> 1) First flight
> 2) First solo
> 3) First time in the soup
> 4) First flight in your own airplane
> 5) First time as private pilot with passenger

Good ones! But I would rank those as different "types" of flights,
rather than places to fly.

If we're talking "types" of flights, I would add:

1. First time you fly when it's absolutely calm, as rock solid as if
you were sitting in front of your computer. Flying seems so natural
and easy!

2. First time you fly over fog. What an amazing change the world
undergoes!

3. First time you see your "glory" on the ground, racing over the
countryside at warp speed.

4. First time you cloud dance, using widely scattered puffies as
pylons in an air race only you can see.

5. First time your kid takes the controls.

Flying presents so many life-enhancing opportunities, it's hard to
list them all!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> 1. The Great Ocean Road and 12 Apostles National Park.
> 2. Outback Australia. - Broken Hill - Bridsville - Alice Springs - Ayers
> Rock - Oodnadatta - Coober Pedy - Leigh Creek - Wilpena Pound.
> 3. South- West Tasmania
> 4. Sydney Harbour
> 5. Queenstown to Milford Sound.

Flying "Down Under" sounds awesome! I know a couple of American
pilots who were able to take the "outback tours" before the Aussie
gummint shut them down, and they said they were absolutely fantastic.

Any word on whether those tours will be allowed again? I can't
remember the circumstances of their discontinuation, but it was
something to do with security, right?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[kontiki]

Matt Whiting wrote:
>
> Alaska.
>

Yeah, I'll second that. I'd love to have the experience of an
approach and landing into some mountain lake...

I have been to Alaska years ago as a kid and the scenery was
magical from the ground. I'd love to see it all from the air.

[Blueskies]

North shore Molokai, and/or Na Pali coast on Kauai...

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message oups.com...
: We've flown coast to coast, Canada to Mexico, for the last 12 years,
: and we have seen a lot of beautiful sights. There are way more than
: five flights to make before you die -- but these are my Top 5. Can
: you add yours?
:

[Edwin Johnson]

On 2007-04-08, Jay Honeck > wrote:
> We've flown coast to coast, Canada to Mexico, for the last 12 years,

> you add yours?

My top choice would be Alaska. Whether you go via the coastal route, 'the
trench' (Lake Williston), the Alaska-Canada Highway, or a combination as I
did, it is an experience you will remember always and some of the most
beautiful country ever.

....Edwin
--
__________________________________________________ __________
"Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes
turned skyward, for there you have been, there you long to
return."-da Vinci http://bellsouthpwp2.net/e/d/edwinljohnson

[Gene Seibel]

On Apr 8, 7:32 am, "Jay Honeck" > wrote:
> > I had different take on this...
>
> > (in no particular order)
> > 1) First flight
> > 2) First solo
> > 3) First time in the soup
> > 4) First flight in your own airplane
> > 5) First time as private pilot with passenger
>
> Good ones! But I would rank those as different "types" of flights,
> rather than places to fly.
>
> If we're talking "types" of flights, I would add:
>
> 1. First time you fly when it's absolutely calm, as rock solid as if
> you were sitting in front of your computer. Flying seems so natural
> and easy!
>
> 2. First time you fly over fog. What an amazing change the world
> undergoes!
>
> 3. First time you see your "glory" on the ground, racing over the
> countryside at warp speed.
>
> 4. First time you cloud dance, using widely scattered puffies as
> pylons in an air race only you can see.
>
> 5. First time your kid takes the controls.
>
> Flying presents so many life-enhancing opportunities, it's hard to
> list them all!
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

Flight as a full blown north to south, bright orange to dark blue
sunset plays out across the horizon.

Being stalked across two states by a full moon.
--
Gene Seibel
Daughter Becca's Jewelry - http://pad39a.com/stelle_sheen
Because we fly, we envy no one.

[Jose]

Bay area to LA Basin at night, with CAVU weather in the Basin. I did
that trip, from Oakland to El Monte. Coming over the Gorman pass and
seeing the entire LA Basin lit up was just =awesome=.

Jose
--
Get high on gasoline: fly an airplane.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[d&tm]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> > 1. The Great Ocean Road and 12 Apostles National Park.
> > 2. Outback Australia. - Broken Hill - Bridsville - Alice Springs -
Ayers
> > Rock - Oodnadatta - Coober Pedy - Leigh Creek - Wilpena Pound.
> > 3. South- West Tasmania
> > 4. Sydney Harbour
> > 5. Queenstown to Milford Sound.
>
> Flying "Down Under" sounds awesome! I know a couple of American
> pilots who were able to take the "outback tours" before the Aussie
> gummint shut them down, and they said they were absolutely fantastic.
>
> Any word on whether those tours will be allowed again? I can't
> remember the circumstances of their discontinuation, but it was
> something to do with security, right?
> --
Jay,
They certainly havent been shut down, but since 9/11 the gummint did do a
few things that supposedly increased security ( or more correctly made the
ignorant masses think they had done something to increase security). I am
not sure exactly what the new requirements are regarding foreign pilots
coming in to do these tours but I am more than happy to assist anyone who is
seriously interested ( if you promise me you are not a terrorist and are not
going to crash your Cesssna 150 into the Sydney Harbour Bridge - you might
scratch it!)
I do recall there are 2 different sets of hoops you have to jump through
depending on how long you wanted to fly here.I dont recall them being too
onerous for a short stay. The biggest problem we had over here was that
they brought in all these new rules before they had all the bureacrats to
enforce them. Like they required student pilots to have a security check
before they flew solo. We then had all these student pilots ready for solo
and having to wait months for the checks.
There is a company called Stawell Air Services ( run by Graham Boatman) who
have been operating these tours for many years.You will find a descripton of
their tours on the web. They are typically about 12 days long, with maybe 2
to 4 flying hours per day , and accomodation , meals and tours all looked
after. I have heard some fantastic reports on them and I am hoping to go on
one myself in the next couple of years.
terry

[RST Engineering]

1. Ocean to ocean. (i.e. San Diego to Boston)

2. Kitty Hawk and First Flight airport

3. Lake Tahoe

4. Anywhere south of San Felipe on the Sea of Cortez

5. Alaska up the Alcan



Jim

[Viperdoc[_4_]]

I personally would like to make a return trip to Iowa City, which I would
rank as one of the most under rated spots in the country. There are both
great food and lodging to be had there, and the FBO is pleasant and
comfortable. You will never hear complaints about them catering to the
kerosene burners. Fuel prices are reasonable. The town (not really a city
in the true sense) is clean and safe. There are all of the arts and cultural
activities associated with a large university town.

Who could ask for more in a trip?

I personally think Mackinac was a little over rated. It is solely for
tourists, expensive, and a bit tacky. It is hard to distinguish from any
other tourist oriented place when walking in town. It is worth seeing, but
not a great experience, as compared to the Badlands, Yosemite, etc.

The best part is the horse drawn taxi ride.

[Don Tuite]

In no particular order:

Catalina
Bryce Canyon
Roche Harbor
South Lake Tahoe
Stehekin

Don

[[email protected]]

Niagara Falls

[Blanche]

>> 1. The Great Ocean Road and 12 Apostles National Park.
>> 2. Outback Australia. - Broken Hill - Bridsville - Alice Springs - Ayers
>> Rock - Oodnadatta - Coober Pedy - Leigh Creek - Wilpena Pound.
>> 3. South- West Tasmania
>> 4. Sydney Harbour
>> 5. Queenstown to Milford Sound.

I never got to do the outback tour, but I did the Sydney tour before
the Olympics...Depart from Bankstown and flew everywhere in the area
(except for the Sydney airport).

While friends did the boat tour of the harbo(u)r, I did too, but in
a C152...much better view!

[Blanche]

d&tm > wrote:
>> > 1. The Great Ocean Road and 12 Apostles National Park.
>> > 2. Outback Australia. - Broken Hill - Bridsville - Alice Springs -
>Ayers
>> > Rock - Oodnadatta - Coober Pedy - Leigh Creek - Wilpena Pound.
>> > 3. South- West Tasmania
>> > 4. Sydney Harbour
>> > 5. Queenstown to Milford Sound.
>>
>> Any word on whether those tours will be allowed again? I can't
>> remember the circumstances of their discontinuation, but it was
>> something to do with security, right?
>> --
>not sure exactly what the new requirements are regarding foreign pilots
>coming in to do these tours but I am more than happy to assist anyone who is
>seriously interested ( if you promise me you are not a terrorist and are not
>going to crash your Cesssna 150 into the Sydney Harbour Bridge - you might
>scratch it!)

The bridge, of course.

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, Sylvain > said:
>Jay Honeck wrote:
>> Where would YOU choose to fly before you die?
>
>One of my dream flight would be to cross the Atlantic on
>my own... it has been done before and with the right aircraft
>and equipment and preparation it is not such a crazy proposition
>anymore. But that's on my list of things to do before I die.

And without the correct preparation, it could on the list of things to do
*as* you die.


--
Paul Tomblin > http://blog.xcski.com/
I read [.doc files] with "rm". All you lose is the microsoft-specific
font selections, the macro viruses and the luser babblings.
-- Gary "Wolf" Barnes

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, said:
>Niagara Falls

After Niagara Falls, you should fly into Toronto City Center (CYTZ) - as
pretty as Meigs, and still here.

--
Paul Tomblin > http://blog.xcski.com/
You'll get access to my computer room right after you pry the Halon test
key out of my cold, lifeless hands.
-- Simon Travaglia

[Don Tuite]

On 8 Apr 2007 09:55:29 -0700, wrote:

>Niagara Falls

Slooowly I turned . . . .
Step by step . . . .
Closer and closer . . . .

Er, sorry. Thought I was in an old Abbot and Costello movie.

Don

[Morgans[_2_]]

"kontiki" > wrote

>> Alaska.
>>
>
> Yeah, I'll second that. I'd love to have the experience of an
> approach and landing into some mountain lake...

With floats, right? <g>
--
Jim in NC

[Matt Whiting]

RST Engineering wrote:

> 5. Alaska up the Alcan

I can't decide which would be more fun, flying the Alcan or riding it on
a motorcycle. I'd like to do both!

Matt

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Matt Whiting" > wrote

> I can't decide which would be more fun, flying the Alcan or riding it on a
> motorcycle. I'd like to do both!

Find someone who you would trust flying your airplane, and that would want
to do the trip on a bike, or who would feel comfortable with you flying
their plane.

You ride one way, then switch places for the trip back.

Of course you would have to trust each other's riding skills, too. That
might be the harder part!
--
Jim in NC

[Jose]

> Find someone who you would trust flying your airplane, and that would want
> to do the trip on a bike, or who would feel comfortable with you flying
> their plane.

That reminds me of a hypothetical Block Island trip a friend and I have
planned. He sails but doesn't fly, I fly but don't sail. We each get
to Block Island our usual way, and trade keys. Then we race back.

:) Jose
--
Get high on gasoline: fly an airplane.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[Matt Whiting]

Morgans wrote:
> "Matt Whiting" > wrote
>
>> I can't decide which would be more fun, flying the Alcan or riding it on a
>> motorcycle. I'd like to do both!
>
> Find someone who you would trust flying your airplane, and that would want
> to do the trip on a bike, or who would feel comfortable with you flying
> their plane.
>
> You ride one way, then switch places for the trip back.
>
> Of course you would have to trust each other's riding skills, too. That
> might be the harder part!

That would be an interesting way to do it, although then I'd miss two
legs of a great trip! :-)

Matt

[Sylvain]

Paul Tomblin wrote:

>>One of my dream flight would be to cross the Atlantic on
>>my own... it has been done before and with the right aircraft
>>and equipment and preparation it is not such a crazy proposition
>>anymore. But that's on my list of things to do before I die.
>
> And without the correct preparation, it could on the list of things to do
> *as* you die.

You'll notice that I have specified a flight to *cross* the Atlantic,
by that, I meant the *whole* Atlantic, not just, say, half way
through, or three quarter of the way, or something like that :-) I
am also well aware of the preparation required, and I also hope to
have access to a reasonably well equipped and appropriate for the
job aircraft by that time. Actually, the way I hope to get about
doing it, would be to first tag along with more experienced pilots
in a couple of crossing before doing it on my own. As the title
says, it is something I'd like to do before I die, and I am in no
a hurry. :-)

--Sylvain

[Montblack]

("Jay Honeck" wrote)
> 4. Great Salt Lake. This one may surprise you, but we flew over it
> (and the surrounding salt flats) on our way to the Reno Air Races a
> few years ago, and I will never forget the stark beauty and utter
> desolation of this flight. If you ever want to fly over an alien
> planet, check this area out.


We'll be in Wendover in two weeks.
(Utah/Nevada border. 100+ miles west of Salt Lake City)

$139 RT "per person" from MSP ....in the tube
(That's all fees and airport transportation included)

4 days / 3 nights
(Hotel included + misc coupons)

One day is Depart: MSP @ 6 PM
One day is Depart: ENV @ 10 AM

http://www.airnav.com/airport/ENV


Montblack

[Jim Logajan]

Matt Whiting > wrote:
> RST Engineering wrote:
>
>> 5. Alaska up the Alcan

Trivia note: My understanding is that "Alcan" was the military designation.
It is now called the Alaska Highway.

> I can't decide which would be more fun, flying the Alcan or riding it on
> a motorcycle. I'd like to do both!

If one flies, I assume following the road would probably be the best bet in
terms of providing an emergency landing strip, given the terrain. Overhead
lines are not a problem for much of the way!

As to riding a motorcycle - be careful what time of the year you drive it -
I'm told that at the height of the summer travel season you'd probably
spend a lot of time passing RVs (when you aren't stuck behind them).

However, the peak RV time is probably July. My wife and I did a 46 day road
trip to Alaska from the beginning of August of 2005 to mid September and we
did not encounter the alleged bumper-to-bumper RV trains to Alaska. ;-) (A
spike in gas prices may have kept some RVers from considering the trip that
summer - so maybe plan to go when gas prices are high!)

We did see a moderate number of RVs heading back to the states - so if you
travel late summer you have a better chance of seeing empty road ahead of
you. If you travel by air or road too late in the summer (or too early in
the spring) you may find places shut down for the winter.

The recommended periodical for road trips to buy is "The Milepost". (Web
site: http://www.themilepost.com/ )

If anyone's interest, here's a web site of the trip my wife and I did in
2005:

http://trips.lugojweb.com/trips2005/alaska/index.html

(You can view the photos by clicking on Previous and Next links when they
appear on the right hand side.)

[john smith[_2_]]

In article . com>,
"Jay Honeck" > wrote:

> Where would YOU choose to fly before you die?

I still have a goal of retracing Rinker Buck's flight in a similar
aircraft. That would be the ultimate for me.

[Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe]

"Jim Logajan" > wrote in message
.. .
> Matt Whiting > wrote:
>> RST Engineering wrote:
>>
>>> 5. Alaska up the Alcan
>
<...> If one flies, I assume following the road would probably be the best
bet in
> terms of providing an emergency landing strip, given the terrain. Overhead
> lines are not a problem for much of the way!

The advice from the locals was stick to the highway so you can be found if
you go down.

>
> As to riding a motorcycle - be careful what time of the year you drive
> it -
> I'm told that at the height of the summer travel season you'd probably
> spend a lot of time passing RVs (when you aren't stuck behind them).

My brother and I got snowed on during late August somewhere along the way.
We weren't real prepared for that (camping in a tent under the wing).

Lots of airports along the way so you don't need exceptional range - we did
it in a Cessna 120.

Be prepared to wait out the weather...

--
Geoff
The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com
remove spaces and make the obvious substitutions to reply by mail
When immigration is outlawed, only outlaws will immigrate.

[Jay Honeck]

> If anyone's interest, here's a web site of the trip my wife and I did in
> 2005:
>
> http://trips.lugojweb.com/trips2005/alaska/index.html

Cool trip, Jim!

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> I personally would like to make a return trip to Iowa City, which I would
> rank as one of the most under rated spots in the country. There are both
> great food and lodging to be had there, and the FBO is pleasant and
> comfortable. You will never hear complaints about them catering to the
> kerosene burners. Fuel prices are reasonable. The town (not really a city
> in the true sense) is clean and safe. There are all of the arts and cultural
> activities associated with a large university town.
>
> Who could ask for more in a trip?

Well, heck, Doc -- what are you waiting for? You *know* there's
always a cold one on ice for ya here...!

:-)

I hope you guys can zip down here for the Pre-OSH Fly-In Pool Party
again. And there's always Movie Tuesday Night!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> Stehekin

I had to look this one up -- and even then, their webpage was designed
from the standpoint that everyone *must* know where "Stehekin" is. It
took some poking around to figure out it's in Washington State.

Looks nice, though. I've got a sister out in Sequim, WA, maybe I'll
have to check this place out?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> > Where would YOU choose to fly before you die?
>
> I still have a goal of retracing Rinker Buck's flight in a similar
> aircraft. That would be the ultimate for me.

God, yes! Would that NOT be the flight of a lifetime?

After reading "Flight of Passage" I even tried to get my son
interested in doing that flight himself. He and his mother
thankfully had enough sense to talk me out of buying him an old Cub to
fix up...

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Viperdoc[_4_]]

Jay:

Are you and Mary going to be in town during the Memorial Day weekend? We may
try to make another overnight trip (it's only an hour ride).

However, for us to go away takes more logistic planning than the Normandy
invasion- kennel both dogs, no conflicts with Air Force or hockey, not on
call, etc. Wish we could just jump in and go.

[Newps]

Jay Honeck wrote:


>
> Looks nice, though. I've got a sister out in Sequim, WA, maybe I'll
> have to check this place out?

Then make it a real trip and fly to the back country strips of Montana
and Idaho. Five trips to paved runways in flat country where people
without planes can easily get to? Yawn.

[Don Tuite]

On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 21:30:55 -0600, Newps > wrote:

>
>
>Jay Honeck wrote:
>
>
>>
>> Looks nice, though. I've got a sister out in Sequim, WA, maybe I'll
>> have to check this place out?
>
>Then make it a real trip and fly to the back country strips of Montana
>and Idaho. Five trips to paved runways in flat country where people
>without planes can easily get to? Yawn.
>
I always figured Hat Point and Memaloose would be worth the admission.
You been into either?

Don

[Maxwell]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>> I had different take on this...
>>
>> (in no particular order)
>> 1) First flight
>> 2) First solo
>> 3) First time in the soup
>> 4) First flight in your own airplane
>> 5) First time as private pilot with passenger
>
> Good ones! But I would rank those as different "types" of flights,
> rather than places to fly.
>
> If we're talking "types" of flights, I would add:
>
> 1. First time you fly when it's absolutely calm, as rock solid as if
> you were sitting in front of your computer. Flying seems so natural
> and easy!
>
> 2. First time you fly over fog. What an amazing change the world
> undergoes!
>
> 3. First time you see your "glory" on the ground, racing over the
> countryside at warp speed.
>
> 4. First time you cloud dance, using widely scattered puffies as
> pylons in an air race only you can see.
>
> 5. First time your kid takes the controls.
>
> Flying presents so many life-enhancing opportunities, it's hard to
> list them all!

I would have to add number 6, the first time, and about every time I fly of
solid snow cover. Not unusual in your area I would suspect, but something
always lifts my spirits.

[Jay Honeck]

> I would have to add number 6, the first time, and about every time I fly of
> solid snow cover. Not unusual in your area I would suspect, but something
> always lifts my spirits.

Agreed. Although by this time of year I absolutely despise snow (and
we're still supposed to get more tomorrow, no thanks to "Global
Warming"), that first flight after a big snow storm is always a
fairyland experience.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Scott[_5_]]

On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 16:56:35 -0500, in rec.aviation.piloting, "Montblack"
> wrote:

>We'll be in Wendover in two weeks.
>(Utah/Nevada border. 100+ miles west of Salt Lake City)
>
>http://www.airnav.com/airport/ENV

http://www.airfields-freeman.com/UT/Airfields_UT_NW.htm#wendover

It's a neat little diversion from the usual West Wendover festivities. Too
bad the county seems hell bent on letting it rot.

-Scott

[RL Anderson]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>> Stehekin
>
> I had to look this one up -- and even then, their webpage was designed
> from the standpoint that everyone *must* know where "Stehekin" is. It
> took some poking around to figure out it's in Washington State.
>
> Looks nice, though. I've got a sister out in Sequim, WA, maybe I'll
> have to check this place out?
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
Hi Jay,

Thought I'd pass on some airport info regarding Stehekin, and other
state airports.

This airport, along with several others, are owned/operated by the
Washington State Department of Transportation (WSDOT). Their state
airport home page is located here:

> http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/aviation/Airports/default.htm

The particular page for Stehekin is located here:

> http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/aviation/Airports/Stehekin.htm

I have been told, by people much smarter than me, that this strip is
more geared for pilots and aircraft that are setup for backcountry
operations. A friend of mine used to work for WSDOT and flew in there
from time to time. He came in in a Cessna 182 (I think), with beefed up
gear to handle the roughness of the strip. The biggie here, along with
several backcountry strips, is the density altitude during the summer.
In this part of Washington, summer daytime temperatures can reach into
the mid 90s. Do the math and you may find out that Atlas might be able
to get in, but may not be able to get out unless weight is shed and/or a
very early morning departure is done so that you could take advantage of
cooler temps. In addition, your landing gear will get one helluva
workout. At this strip, you happen to have a remote WX station there.
It's not AWOS/ASOS, but it provides very basic info. The address is:

> http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/mesowest/getobext.php?wfo=sew&sid=STRW1&num=48&raw=0

The site is currently down at the moment, but I guess that it should be
back up in time for flying season.

If you desire to visit your sister out here, and you would like to get a
"small" taste of "mountain ops", may I suggest the airport at Easton.
Info on this strip is located here:

> http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/aviation/Airports/Easton.htm

In addition, there is another strip that should handle Atlas nicely.
It's the strip at Tieton. The info on this strip is located here:

> http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/aviation/Airports/Tieton.htm

I have a friend that has operated her Apache there without any major
problems.

I must state that, in the interest of "full disclosure" that I am not a
pilot/aircraft owner. However I know quite a number of pilots with a
lot of backcountry experience. In fact, many of the pilots who frequent
this NG have a lot more knowledge than I do. They should be able to
provide you with backcountry "tips and hints" that I do not know. I
would like to see you be able to operate Atlas safely in our area. Many
pilots love to operate in the backcountry. I think you'll like it too.
Just keep your limitations in mind so you don't "screw the pooch".

Thanks for the read.

Rick

[RST Engineering]

We did it last year with a Subaru towing a 2-person tent trailer, with a
hyperactive 6 month old Sheltie pup and an equally goosey Lhasa Apso in the
rear cargo area.

I'll fly next time, thanks.

Jim



"Matt Whiting" > wrote in message
...
> RST Engineering wrote:
>
>> 5. Alaska up the Alcan
>
> I can't decide which would be more fun, flying the Alcan or riding it on a
> motorcycle. I'd like to do both!
>
> Matt

[Steve Schneider]

Jay Honeck wrote:
> We've flown coast to coast, Canada to Mexico, for the last 12 years,
> and we have seen a lot of beautiful sights. There are way more than
> five flights to make before you die -- but these are my Top 5. Can
> you add yours?
>

Add Hawaii to the list. We've rented a 172 in Maui for a self guided
tour of Maui, Molokini, Molokai, and Lanai -- spectacluar views of
ship wrecks, waterfalls, beaches, etc. Renting a 172 for a self
guided tour over the Big Island provided unforgetable views of lava
at Kilauea volcano. That gave the kids perspective when we drove the
Chain of Crater's road the next day.

Not that you'd plan trips specifically to see them, but if you happen
to be on a cross country flight that takes you in the vicinity be
sure to have your camera ready for...

Canyon de Chelly
Meteor Crater

Steve

[EridanMan]

Great Thread Jay!

My flight experience is limited, but I still have a few to add:

SF Bay Tour - To do this right, fly out of either HWD or OAK, take the
Nimitz freeway north departure. Sunset is generally the best time of
day, both because of glory of watching the sun set over the pacific,
and because that tens to be when the fog literally spills over the
Marin and Peninsula Hills into the bay like water. After a few loops
around the SF downtown, alcatraz and the Golden Gate bridge, request
the Bayshore freeway Bravo Transition South (often your routed right
over midfield SFO, with 747's landing 1500 feet below you), Head down
the Peninsula to SQL, and then slink under the SFO 28 approach
corridor (caution wake turbulence) back across the bay to your point
of origin.

Yosemite - If you're going to do Tahoe, you might as well slip down to
Yosemite. I've only done this once, but the route I took was the fly
up the Hetch Hetchy valley and then back down and out the Yosemite
valley. 13500 is really the minimum altitude to assure that you won't
bust any aviation law (which kinda annoyingly high), but with good
planning and a GPS you can drop significantly lower. After your
flight land at Mariposa Yosemite (MPI), beautiful little field at the
mouth of the Yosemite valley with cheap gas. They've got a BBQ pit
right next to the transient parking, so bring so charcoal and a few
steaks to top off yourself;)

[John Clear]

In article om>,
EridanMan > wrote:
>Great Thread Jay!
>
>My flight experience is limited, but I still have a few to add:
>
>SF Bay Tour - To do this right, fly out of either HWD or OAK, take the
>Nimitz freeway north departure. Sunset is generally the best time of
>day, both because of glory of watching the sun set over the pacific,
>and because that tens to be when the fog literally spills over the
>Marin and Peninsula Hills into the bay like water. After a few loops
>around the SF downtown, alcatraz and the Golden Gate bridge, request
>the Bayshore freeway Bravo Transition South (often your routed right
>over midfield SFO, with 747's landing 1500 feet below you), Head down
>the Peninsula to SQL, and then slink under the SFO 28 approach
>corridor (caution wake turbulence) back across the bay to your point
>of origin.

I fly out of PAO, so my version of the Bay Tour is to start out
flying up Skyline Blvd at 3500ft. This gives a great view of the
undeveloped coast and over developed valley. Passing SFO, I've
had 747s (http://www.clear-prop.org/fly-02-20-06/target2.html) and
777s (http://www.clear-prop.org/fly-02-06-05/slides/IMG_0997.html)
restricted below me at 3000ft.

The Monterey and Big Sur coast from Cypress Point down past Point
Sur and the coast from the Golden Gate Bridge up north to Point
Reyes are also spectacular.

John
--
John Clear - http://www.clear-prop.org/

[Jose]

I'll second the Hudson tour - both day and night are spectacular if you
have good viz. I'll also add any low level fall mountain flight in calm
air. OK, the catskills aren't exactly "mountains", but with the leaves
at peak, and the air =dead= =calm=, I was able to fly those hills at
nearly treetop level, and it was =awesome=!

Don't do that with wind though!

Jose
--
Get high on gasoline: fly an airplane.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[Montblack]

("Scott" wrote)
> http://www.airfields-freeman.com/UT/Airfields_UT_NW.htm#wendover
>
> It's a neat little diversion from the usual West Wendover festivities.
> Too bad the county seems hell bent on letting it rot.


We rented a car (convertible Mustang) and drove there from Elko, NV on our
last trip out, two years ago. Interesting history. GREAT FBO museum (FREE
too).

Also in the area...

http://www.intermountainguidenevada.com/gallery/index.php
7 of 32, 10 of 32, 12, 20, 29, and 32 of 32 <g>


Montblack
<http://cgi.ebay.com/25-Acres-of-Land-near-the-Pilot-Mountains-Utah_W0QQitemZ190091150418QQcategoryZ15841QQcmdZVi ewItem>
..25 Acres of Land near the Pilot Mountains Utah

[EridanMan]

Wow, Every time I bayshore freeway transition they stick me down low,
I hadn't thought about them routing me above the outbound traffic...
Spectacular images.

I just re-based from OAK to SQL, so I'm still getting to know life on
the west side of the bay;)

-Scott

[Jay Honeck]

> Just keep your limitations in mind so you don't "screw the pooch".

Always!

> Thanks for the read.

And thank YOU, Rick, for all the great info!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> Add Hawaii to the list.

Someday!

> Meteor Crater

I've flown over that twice, now, and it's very cool. Scary, sorta,
too, to see what a little-bitty chunk of rock can do to our big blue
marble when it hits us.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Don Tuite]

On 9 Apr 2007 12:33:57 -0700, "EridanMan" >
wrote:

>Wow, Every time I bayshore freeway transition they stick me down low,
>I hadn't thought about them routing me above the outbound traffic...
>Spectacular images.
>
>I just re-based from OAK to SQL, so I'm still getting to know life on
>the west side of the bay;)
>
What are you flying? And there's a San Carlos Pilots Association
meeting at the Hiller Museum this Wednesday. There's to be a viewing
of a Columbia 400 starting at 6, with the meeting at 7.

www.sancarlospilots.org

my email:

Don

[Steve Foley]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> but these are my Top 5. Can
> you add yours?

1) Hudson River (done)
2) Oshkosh (done)
3) Nazca Lines (done - but from the right seat as a passenger)
4) Down the Mississippi River (not done)
5) Island Hopping in Hawaii (not done)

[EridanMan]

Hey Don,

I'll be there.

My bird is 4261J, a '67 Cherokee 140.

She's over at Diamond Maintenance right now (getting a Mag overhaul).
I'm going to make the rebase "official" as soon as she's done (I've
been parking in Transient).

I really like the field... I _HATED_ OAK, too far, the port of oakland
is a PITA... I've had her there because there is a very nice flying
club (Alameda Aero) who I had been leasing back with... but as much as
I've enjoyed working with them, I simply can't do the distance anymore
(I recently moved to San Mateo).

-Scott

[Vic7]

Where would YOU choose to fly before you die?

I still have a goal of retracing Rinker Buck's flight in a similar
aircraft. That would be the ultimate for me.

God, yes! Would that NOT be the flight of a lifetime?




When I read Buck's story I thought that it sounded exactly like the flight of a lifetime. When I finally got a Cub I realized that it is the flight of a teenager's lifetime. Being several multiples of a teenager I think I'll stick to shorter jaunts, lest I'm too crippled to enjoy the destination.

V7

[Sylvain]

Jay Honeck wrote:

>> Add Hawaii to the list.
>
> Someday!

It is a looooong swim if you don't quite make it though :-)

--Sylvain

[Jim Burns[_2_]]

I'll simply say the "next" 5.
Jim

[JGalban via AviationKB.com]

I'll go along with NEWPS on the Montana/Idaho recommendation. Everytime I
take a mountain virgin into the backcountry, they're hooked. It's unlike any
kind of flying you'll do anywhere else. My website has a sample of some of
the strips. http://www.johngalban.com/

Next is Alaska (which has been mentioned). More specifically, flying the
glaciers on Mt. McKinley. That rates right up near the top of my list. I'm
going back to do it again next summer.

John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)

--
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http://www.aviationkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/aviation/200704/1

[Walt]

On Apr 8, 9:30 pm, Newps > wrote:
> Jay Honeck wrote:
>
> > Looks nice, though. I've got a sister out in Sequim, WA, maybe I'll
> > have to check this place out?
>
> Then make it a real trip and fly to the back country strips of Montana
> and Idaho. Five trips to paved runways in flat country where people
> without planes can easily get to? Yawn.

Well, I live in Montana, have flown into a lot of backcountry strips,
and would argue that there are lots of places in flat country that are
fun to fly into simply because of the people you meet there.

Over the years I've flown into a lot of gorgeous places all over the
world. But the thing I remember most are the people I've met there.
Flying into Meadow Creek in the Bob Marshall is a great experience,
but what makes it special is the people you meet there.

I've flown into Decorah, Iowa and had just as good a time because of
the people I met there.

Just my two cents.

--Walt
Bozeman

[[email protected]]

Jay Honeck > wrote:
> But I would rank those as different "types" of flights, rather than
> places to fly.

These usually happen within a mile or two of the airport, but they're
interesting "types" IMHO:

- Putting a homebuilt into a 10,500 fpm descent for about a minute,
discovering that it's actually possible to navigate a little in this
condition, then pulling out.

- Then, flying a glider back to the airport, through the pattern, and
to a literal tip-toe landing on the grass.

- Doing either of the above, but in formation with one to a hundred
other pilots.

Matt Roberds

[Maxwell]

> wrote in message
...
> Jay Honeck > wrote:
>> But I would rank those as different "types" of flights, rather than
>> places to fly.
>
> These usually happen within a mile or two of the airport, but they're
> interesting "types" IMHO:
>
> - Putting a homebuilt into a 10,500 fpm descent for about a minute,
> discovering that it's actually possible to navigate a little in this
> condition, then pulling out.
>
> - Then, flying a glider back to the airport, through the pattern, and
> to a literal tip-toe landing on the grass.
>
> - Doing either of the above, but in formation with one to a hundred
> other pilots.
>

How about a soft field landing, when you get it so right, that you never
feel the aircraft touch down. You just hear the wheels start rolling.

[Jay Honeck]

> How about a soft field landing, when you get it so right, that you never
> feel the aircraft touch down. You just hear the wheels start rolling.- Hide quoted text -

Ah, yes --- the *perfect* landing. So elusive, so wonderful when
achieved...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[ManhattanMan]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>
> Ah, yes --- the *perfect* landing. So elusive, so wonderful when
> achieved...


RAPTURE = end of PPL ticket check ride in C-150, a "greaser", glanced to
the right to see inspector actually tug on the yoke a couple of times to
make sure we were on the deck!!! YES!!! 1967

Cheers'n Beers.. [_])
Don (was CRaSH)

[gyoung]

> How about a soft field landing, when you get it so right, that you never
> feel the aircraft touch down. You just hear the wheels start rolling.


Oh, yeah!! My most memorable landing ever - C-172 checkout at Isla
Grande airport in San Juan, PR: went twice around the pattern, then one
landing on a runway that had just been wetted by the usual afternoon
rainshower -> no bump, no jolt of the tire spinup, not even a squeek -
the check pilot said "You may take our airplane" ...

.... and returning to the original subject of this thread - "You may take
our airplane to St. Thomas, VI". Now that's a flight I'd like to make
again, but grateful I was able to make it once (1965).

[gyoung]

Jay Honeck wrote:

> 1. Grand Canyon. ... There's nothing else like it.

Agree with your #1. I look forward to a trip to Marble Canyon someday.

> 2. Mackinac Island/Mackinac Bridge.

> 3. Barrier Islands/Ocracoke/Hatteras

Agree with this one too; at least once a year as long as we live in
Virginia.

> 4. Great Salt Lake.

4a. Ah, yes, but the getting to Salt Lake from 'back east' makes a
fantastic package: the plains of South Dakota (stop at Wall), Mount
Rushmore from 10,000 feet, over the Wasatch Range into Ogden.

4b. And then onward to the west - to Bonneville Salt Flats and overnight
at Wendover, the next day across the Sierra Nevada - Mt Lassen on the
right, Lake Tahoe on the left, then downhill into Sacramento, and
finally - the goal of the trip - the first glimpse of the towers of the
Golden Gate Bridge as we top the hills east of Oakland - coast-to-coast
in a C-172 (we begian our trip from Langley AFB, VA).

> 5. Oshkosh!

Someday.

george

[Dave S]

Jay Honeck wrote:
> We've flown coast to coast, Canada to Mexico, for the last 12 years,
> and we have seen a lot of beautiful sights. There are way more than
> five flights to make before you die -- but these are my Top 5. Can
> you add yours?
>
> 1. Grand Canyon.

DONE. Yea.. it was a commercial sightseeing tour, but yea...pretty grand.

>
> 2. Mackinac Island/Mackinac Bridge.

Not seen yet.

>
> 3. Barrier Islands/Ocracoke/Hatteras Just a few weeks ago we made
> this flight, from Kill Devil Hills, NC to Beaufort, NC,

FYI.. Beaufort is in SC.. I have family in Charleston and have made the
hop from Charleston to Savannah. I love that whole part of the country.
>
> 4. Great Salt Lake. This one may surprise you, but we flew over it
> (and the surrounding salt flats)

I got my tailwheel endorsement out there in a C-180 with a good friend
who does the airline thing there in SLC. Did fullstop landings on a
gravel strip on Promentory Point, flew down LOW over the lake, as well
as over some private strips on the islands in the middle of the lake.
And for good measure, the Wasatch Mountains are beautiful in contrast,
with lush alpine forest on the windward side of the range. Beautiful.
Still snowcapped in late October from the previous year.

>
> 5. Oshkosh! DUH. And I met you for the first (and only, so far) time there, in 2002.

Great list Jay, and I am fortunate to have been to 4 of 5 of your must
see places.

Dave

[Al G[_1_]]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> We've flown coast to coast, Canada to Mexico, for the last 12 years,
> and we have seen a lot of beautiful sights. There are way more than
> five flights to make before you die -- but these are my Top 5. Can
> you add yours?
> snip...

To view a Sunrise or Sunset from above 40,000'.


Al G

[Jay Honeck]

> > 2. Mackinac Island/Mackinac Bridge.
>
> Not seen yet.

It's stunning. Every bit as beautiful as the Golden Gate, but in a
completely rural area that is prone to some of the most severe winter
weather on the planet. The museum about how they built it across that
strait is worth the trouble to find. (It's small, but very complete,
and fascinating.)

> > 3. Barrier Islands/Ocracoke/Hatteras Just a few weeks ago we made
> > this flight, from Kill Devil Hills, NC to Beaufort, NC,
> FYI.. Beaufort is in SC.. I have family in Charleston and have made the
> hop from Charleston to Savannah. I love that whole part of the country.

Oops. I knew that. That's one problem with a flying trip, though --
they don't paint the state boundaries on the ground. (My kids were
disappointed to discover this, many years ago...)

We loved that area, too, and plan to return.

> > 5. Oshkosh! DUH. And I met you for the first (and only, so far) time there, in 2002.

Yep, that was a good year. Hell, they're all good.

Quite frankly, I am always surprised by the pilots we meet at the
hotel who have never flown into OSH. Most of them speak longingly of
going, but they never quite put it together, due to any number of
reasons.

I don't know how else to say this any more clearly -- OSH is the ONE
place every pilot must visit before they die. There is simply nothing
else like it, anywhere, damn the horror stories about arrivals and the
weather. And, with the way things are going in GA and EAA, who knows
how many more Airventures there will be?

If there is a heaven, when I die, I pray it looks just like Wittman
Field during the last week of July...
---
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[John Clear]

In article >,
Al G > wrote:
>
>"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>> We've flown coast to coast, Canada to Mexico, for the last 12 years,
>> and we have seen a lot of beautiful sights. There are way more than
>> five flights to make before you die -- but these are my Top 5. Can
>> you add yours?
>> snip...
>
> To view a Sunrise or Sunset from above 40,000'.

The view from 4000ft can be pretty good too.

http://www.clear-prop.org/images/sunset.jpg
(taken just north of Santa Cruz, CA)

John
--
John Clear - http://www.clear-prop.org/

[BillJ]

Jay Honeck wrote:
> We've flown coast to coast, Canada to Mexico, for the last 12 years,
> and we have seen a lot of beautiful sights. There are way more than
> five flights to make before you die -- but these are my Top 5. Can
> you add yours?
>
> 1. Grand Canyon. Flying over the Grand Canyon is an awesome, almost
> religious experience that words simply cannot express. We spent
> nearly 2 hours over the canyon, the four of us gaping in awe, in
> almost complete silence. There's nothing else like it.
>
> 2. Mackinac Island/Mackinac Bridge. At the top of the Great Lakes
> sits scenic Mackinac Island. Quaint, with no motor vehicles allowed
> (it's either horses or bikes, your choice), this throwback to another
> era ("Lost in Time", with Christopher Reeves, was filmed at the Grand
> Hotel on Mackinac Island) is always a great place to visit, and an
> absolutely gorgeous flight. The beautiful Mackinac Bridge (which does
> NOT go to the island, BTW) is one of the largest suspension bridges in
> the world, and is truly a wondrous sight to see as well.
>
> 3. Barrier Islands/Ocracoke/Hatteras Just a few weeks ago we made
> this flight, from Kill Devil Hills, NC to Beaufort, NC, flying
> straight down the barrier islands. With the vast Atlantic to our
> left, open water to our right (the mainland is often barely visible),
> and a thin spit of land beneath us, we made this beautiful flight on a
> picture-perfect day.
>
> 4. Great Salt Lake. This one may surprise you, but we flew over it
> (and the surrounding salt flats) on our way to the Reno Air Races a
> few years ago, and I will never forget the stark beauty and utter
> desolation of this flight. If you ever want to fly over an alien
> planet, check this area out.
>
> 5. Oshkosh! This one is pretty obvious, and is the ultimate flight
> goal of almost every pilot I've ever met. There is simply no place on
> earth like Oshkosh, and to fly into the show is a thrill that is hard
> to describe to someone who hasn't done it. More importantly is to
> wake up on the field at OSH -- it's a feeling like none other. No
> matter what, you MUST make this flight at least once before you die.
>
> Alas, we have had so many great flights, it's hard to whittle it down
> to just five. Niagara Falls, Meigs Field, First Flight Airfield, and
> a host of others would round out my Top Ten list -- but let's keep it
> the Best of the Best, and stick to five for now.
>
> Where would YOU choose to fly before you die?
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
1. Sedona, AZ
2. Big Sur coast, Carmel, MRY
3. Around and around Mt. McKinley on a clear day
4. Getting to 3 via inland and coast routes
5. Seeing "The Glory", sun at your back and low over a smooth stratus layer
6. Down the Hudson corridor, Manhattan on your wing tip

[RST Engineering]

When were you out on the Left Coast? Reno doesn't count; you are at least
200 miles away from salt water.

Jim



> Jay Honeck wrote:
>> We've flown coast to coast, Canada to Mexico, for the last 12 years

[Dylan Smith]

On 2007-04-08, Jay Honeck > wrote:
> We've flown coast to coast, Canada to Mexico, for the last 12 years,
> and we have seen a lot of beautiful sights. There are way more than
> five flights to make before you die -- but these are my Top 5. Can
> you add yours?

Well, by definition, you have to do them before you die, so the 'before
you die' bit is kind of redundant :-)

Your list is a worthy list - Oshkosh should definitely be done at least
once (if only to experience that kind of traffic density, and how the
rules on what constitute VFR tend to get moderately flexed).

But I'd substitute the coastal flying with flying in the mountains - get
some mountain flying training, and go to airstrips *in* the mountains.
The video doesn't do it justice, but I did just that in August 2005:

http://www.alioth.net/Video/BackCountry.mp4 (use VideoLAN Client, which
is free at http://www.videolan.org if your media player isn't up to date
enough to play MP4 video)

We got up at 5 in the morning, and flew the Cessna 180 up to Idaho from
my friend's local airfield in Salt Lake City so as to get there before
the day started really heating up. Flying into Lower Loon was quite an
interesting experience, but not as interesting as flying out of it again
:-) (860 feet of usable runway at about 5000 ft above mean sea level,
surrounded by mountains - you really don't want to be there if it's even
slightly windy!)

--
Yes, the Reply-To email address is valid.
Oolite-Linux: an Elite tribute: http://oolite-linux.berlios.de

[Jay Honeck]

> But I'd substitute the coastal flying with flying in the mountains - get
> some mountain flying training, and go to airstrips *in* the mountains.
> The video doesn't do it justice, but I did just that in August 2005:

Mary and I have flown in the mountains on two legs (to, and from,
Reno, Nevada), and I have co-piloted (sorta) Jim Burns' Aztec to
Vegas. Of course, we didn't land on any cool back-country strips,
but just flying over and through the mountains was stunning.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Chris]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>> But I'd substitute the coastal flying with flying in the mountains - get
>> some mountain flying training, and go to airstrips *in* the mountains.
>> The video doesn't do it justice, but I did just that in August 2005:
>
> Mary and I have flown in the mountains on two legs (to, and from,
> Reno, Nevada), and I have co-piloted (sorta) Jim Burns' Aztec to
> Vegas. Of course, we didn't land on any cool back-country strips,
> but just flying over and through the mountains was stunning.

Done Missoula Mt to Medford Or, via Lewiston and Crater Lake, absolutely
stunning,

Grand Canyon to Sedona at sunset even better

Sedona to Telluride a real blast

and Niagara Falls twice.

[Jay Honeck]

> Another gorgeous area is the high country running E-W, just NE of
> Jackson Hole, WY (Wind River Range?). IMHO, it is one of the most
> beautiful areas that I have flown through.

I've ridden a motorcycle and driven a car throught that area, and it
was stunning. I'll bet from the air it's fantastic!

Wouldn't want an engine-out landing, though. Not too many options.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[ManhattanMan]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>> Another gorgeous area is the high country running E-W, just NE of
>> Jackson Hole, WY (Wind River Range?). IMHO, it is one of the most
>> beautiful areas that I have flown through.
>
> I've ridden a motorcycle and driven a car throught that area, and it
> was stunning. I'll bet from the air it's fantastic!
>
> Wouldn't want an engine-out landing, though. Not too many options.

Jay,
Here's a good flight for your Kiwi. Took these screenshots about a year
ago, FS-9, late afternoon departed Jackson Hole for Cody KCOD, in my
favorite sim a/c Centurion 210. Scenery is very good, click on the image
for full size, 6 total.
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v674/ArkyTazman/KCOD/?action=view&current=grab_013.jpg
Best scenery started coming into the Shoshone River valley, and yes, I was
on virtual oxygen.. d:->))

Cheers'n Beers.. [_])
Don

[TLong]

BillJ > wrote in
:

> Jay Honeck wrote:
>> We've flown coast to coast, Canada to Mexico, for the last 12 years,
>> and we have seen a lot of beautiful sights. There are way more than
>> five flights to make before you die -- but these are my Top 5. Can
>> you add yours?
>>
>> 1. Grand Canyon. Flying over the Grand Canyon is an awesome, almost
>> religious experience that words simply cannot express. We spent
>> nearly 2 hours over the canyon, the four of us gaping in awe, in
>> almost complete silence. There's nothing else like it.
>>
>> 2. Mackinac Island/Mackinac Bridge. At the top of the Great Lakes
>> sits scenic Mackinac Island. Quaint, with no motor vehicles allowed
>> (it's either horses or bikes, your choice), this throwback to another
>> era ("Lost in Time", with Christopher Reeves, was filmed at the Grand
>> Hotel on Mackinac Island) is always a great place to visit, and an
>> absolutely gorgeous flight. The beautiful Mackinac Bridge (which
>> does NOT go to the island, BTW) is one of the largest suspension
>> bridges in the world, and is truly a wondrous sight to see as well.
>>
>> 3. Barrier Islands/Ocracoke/Hatteras Just a few weeks ago we made
>> this flight, from Kill Devil Hills, NC to Beaufort, NC, flying
>> straight down the barrier islands. With the vast Atlantic to our
>> left, open water to our right (the mainland is often barely visible),
>> and a thin spit of land beneath us, we made this beautiful flight on
>> a picture-perfect day.
>>
>> 4. Great Salt Lake. This one may surprise you, but we flew over it
>> (and the surrounding salt flats) on our way to the Reno Air Races a
>> few years ago, and I will never forget the stark beauty and utter
>> desolation of this flight. If you ever want to fly over an alien
>> planet, check this area out.
>>
>> 5. Oshkosh! This one is pretty obvious, and is the ultimate flight
>> goal of almost every pilot I've ever met. There is simply no place on
>> earth like Oshkosh, and to fly into the show is a thrill that is hard
>> to describe to someone who hasn't done it. More importantly is to
>> wake up on the field at OSH -- it's a feeling like none other. No
>> matter what, you MUST make this flight at least once before you die.
>>
>> Alas, we have had so many great flights, it's hard to whittle it down
>> to just five. Niagara Falls, Meigs Field, First Flight Airfield, and
>> a host of others would round out my Top Ten list -- but let's keep it
>> the Best of the Best, and stick to five for now.
>>
>> Where would YOU choose to fly before you die?
>> --
>> Jay Honeck
>> Iowa City, IA
>> Pathfinder N56993
>> www.AlexisParkInn.com
>> "Your Aviation Destination"
>>
> 1. Sedona, AZ
> 2. Big Sur coast, Carmel, MRY
> 3. Around and around Mt. McKinley on a clear day
> 4. Getting to 3 via inland and coast routes
> 5. Seeing "The Glory", sun at your back and low over a smooth stratus
> layer 6. Down the Hudson corridor, Manhattan on your wing tip
>
My own experiences (based out west, but have flown to the east coast),

1. Monument Valley, AZ - unlike the Grand Canyon, there are no altitude
restrictions
2. Sedona - Agree with this one, spectacular
3. San Juan Islands, WA
4. LA Basin at night
5. Oshkosh (more for the experience and arrival than for the terrain or
view)

While I liked the Grand Canyon, it's disappointing to me how high you
have to be. 3-4K feet above the rim does diminish the effect somewhat.

Jay, thanks for starting this thread. You have a nice place in Iowa
City. We visited Jay briefly about a year ago and he was very hospitable
- drop on in!

Tim Long
CMA, CA

[Newps]

Jay Honeck wrote:

>>Another gorgeous area is the high country running E-W, just NE of
>>Jackson Hole, WY (Wind River Range?). IMHO, it is one of the most
>>beautiful areas that I have flown through.
>
>
> I've ridden a motorcycle and driven a car throught that area, and it
> was stunning. I'll bet from the air it's fantastic!
>
> Wouldn't want an engine-out landing, though. Not too many options.


There's very rarely no options. It's not as difficult as you might think.

[Tom[_5_]]

Why do you have to be 3-4k above the rim when you do the Grand Canyon?

I'd love to fly down the canyon with the helicopters, like flying down
the Hudson with them whenever I do the NYC tour.




On Apr 14, 3:12 pm, TLong > wrote:
> BillJ > wrote :
>
>
>
>
>
> > Jay Honeck wrote:
> >> We've flown coast to coast, Canada to Mexico, for the last 12 years,
> >> and we have seen a lot of beautiful sights. There are way more than
> >> five flights to make before you die -- but these are my Top 5. Can
> >> you add yours?
>
> >> 1. Grand Canyon. Flying over the Grand Canyon is an awesome, almost
> >> religious experience that words simply cannot express. We spent
> >> nearly 2 hours over the canyon, the four of us gaping in awe, in
> >> almost complete silence. There's nothing else like it.
>
> >> 2. Mackinac Island/Mackinac Bridge. At the top of the Great Lakes
> >> sits scenic Mackinac Island. Quaint, with no motor vehicles allowed
> >> (it's either horses or bikes, your choice), this throwback to another
> >> era ("Lost in Time", with Christopher Reeves, was filmed at the Grand
> >> Hotel on Mackinac Island) is always a great place to visit, and an
> >> absolutely gorgeous flight. The beautiful Mackinac Bridge (which
> >> does NOT go to the island, BTW) is one of the largest suspension
> >> bridges in the world, and is truly a wondrous sight to see as well.
>
> >> 3. Barrier Islands/Ocracoke/Hatteras Just a few weeks ago we made
> >> this flight, from Kill Devil Hills, NC to Beaufort, NC, flying
> >> straight down the barrier islands. With the vast Atlantic to our
> >> left, open water to our right (the mainland is often barely visible),
> >> and a thin spit of land beneath us, we made this beautiful flight on
> >> a picture-perfect day.
>
> >> 4. Great Salt Lake. This one may surprise you, but we flew over it
> >> (and the surrounding salt flats) on our way to the Reno Air Races a
> >> few years ago, and I will never forget the stark beauty and utter
> >> desolation of this flight. If you ever want to fly over an alien
> >> planet, check this area out.
>
> >> 5. Oshkosh! This one is pretty obvious, and is the ultimate flight
> >> goal of almost every pilot I've ever met. There is simply no place on
> >> earth like Oshkosh, and to fly into the show is a thrill that is hard
> >> to describe to someone who hasn't done it. More importantly is to
> >> wake up on the field at OSH -- it's a feeling like none other. No
> >> matter what, you MUST make this flight at least once before you die.
>
> >> Alas, we have had so many great flights, it's hard to whittle it down
> >> to just five. Niagara Falls, Meigs Field, First Flight Airfield, and
> >> a host of others would round out my Top Ten list -- but let's keep it
> >> the Best of the Best, and stick to five for now.
>
> >> Where would YOU choose to fly before you die?
> >> --
> >> Jay Honeck
> >> Iowa City, IA
> >> Pathfinder N56993
> >>www.AlexisParkInn.com
> >> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
> > 1. Sedona, AZ
> > 2. Big Sur coast, Carmel, MRY
> > 3. Around and around Mt. McKinley on a clear day
> > 4. Getting to 3 via inland and coast routes
> > 5. Seeing "The Glory", sun at your back and low over a smooth stratus
> > layer 6. Down the Hudson corridor, Manhattan on your wing tip
>
> My own experiences (based out west, but have flown to the east coast),
>
> 1. Monument Valley, AZ - unlike the Grand Canyon, there are no altitude
> restrictions
> 2. Sedona - Agree with this one, spectacular
> 3. San Juan Islands, WA
> 4. LA Basin at night
> 5. Oshkosh (more for the experience and arrival than for the terrain or
> view)
>
> While I liked the Grand Canyon, it's disappointing to me how high you
> have to be. 3-4K feet above the rim does diminish the effect somewhat.
>
> Jay, thanks for starting this thread. You have a nice place in Iowa
> City. We visited Jay briefly about a year ago and he was very hospitable
> - drop on in!
>
> Tim Long
> CMA, CA- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

[Jay Honeck]

> Why do you have to be 3-4k above the rim when you do the Grand Canyon?

Noise Nazis have made it illegal to go beneath the canyon rim.
Additionally, you must fly a very strictly defined course over the
canyon, from one GPS coordinate to another. Course variances will
land you in hot water with...someone.

> I'd love to fly down the canyon with the helicopters, like flying down
> the Hudson with them whenever I do the NYC tour.

Even the tour helicopters can't go down in the canyon anymore. It's
very sad, IMHO, as many thousands of people have had their Grand
Canyon experience drastically diminished so that a far smaller number
of people can quietly hike into it.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jose]

> It's
> very sad, IMHO, as many thousands of people have had their Grand
> Canyon experience drastically diminished so that a far smaller number
> of people can quietly hike into it.

I don't know that that's a bad thing. Such (quiet natural) areas should
exist.

Jose
--
Get high on gasoline: fly an airplane.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[Jay Honeck]

> > It's
> > very sad, IMHO, as many thousands of people have had their Grand
> > Canyon experience drastically diminished so that a far smaller number
> > of people can quietly hike into it.
>
> I don't know that that's a bad thing. Such (quiet natural) areas should
> exist.

I have mixed emotions on this issue. I agree that places of solitude
should exist, but at what cost?

So few people are able to physically hike down into the canyon, yet
tens of thousands can (and do) fly over the canyon each year. This
majority has had their Grand Canyon experience drastically diminished
(by restrictive overflight laws) in favor of the minority's "right"
to silence.

Do the needs of the many out-weigh the needs of the few?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jose]

> I have mixed emotions on this issue. I agree that places of solitude
> should exist, but at what cost?

Or perhaps... "at who's cost?"

> Do the needs of the many out-weigh the needs of the few?

No.

Think about why.

Jose
--
Get high on gasoline: fly an airplane.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[C J Campbell[_1_]]

On 2007-04-07 21:16:37 -0700, "Jay Honeck" > said:

> We've flown coast to coast, Canada to Mexico, for the last 12 years,
> and we have seen a lot of beautiful sights. There are way more than
> five flights to make before you die -- but these are my Top 5. Can
> you add yours?
>

Let's see. I have flown the Grand Canyon, coast to coast, around Mt.
Saint Helens when it was erupting, out into the desert, and from near
the Canadian border to near the Mexican border. All beautiful flights.

I have a few I would like to do some day, though I probably will never
find the time to do them:

1) Alaska to Patagonia and back by way of Florida.
2) Over Washington DC and the Mall -- legally.
3) Frank Church Wilderness.
4) The Pioneer trails in an ultralight or LSA.
5) Down the Mississippi.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

[Maxwell]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>> > It's
>> > very sad, IMHO, as many thousands of people have had their Grand
>> > Canyon experience drastically diminished so that a far smaller number
>> > of people can quietly hike into it.
>>
>> I don't know that that's a bad thing. Such (quiet natural) areas should
>> exist.
>
> I have mixed emotions on this issue. I agree that places of solitude
> should exist, but at what cost?
>
> So few people are able to physically hike down into the canyon, yet
> tens of thousands can (and do) fly over the canyon each year. This
> majority has had their Grand Canyon experience drastically diminished
> (by restrictive overflight laws) in favor of the minority's "right"
> to silence.
>
> Do the needs of the many out-weigh the needs of the few?

I suspect it's more a matter of non pilots making the rules, or a small
group of people going to the wall for "perfect preservation". If I was king
it would be a matter of operational hours. Flights down the canyon are a
national resource just as silence and serenity are. Opening the skys to
flights for 4 to 6 hours a day wouldn't harm anyone but the most selfish.

[Orval Fairbairn]

In article >,
"Maxwell" > wrote:

> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> >> > It's
> >> > very sad, IMHO, as many thousands of people have had their Grand
> >> > Canyon experience drastically diminished so that a far smaller number
> >> > of people can quietly hike into it.
> >>
> >> I don't know that that's a bad thing. Such (quiet natural) areas should
> >> exist.
> >
> > I have mixed emotions on this issue. I agree that places of solitude
> > should exist, but at what cost?
> >
> > So few people are able to physically hike down into the canyon, yet
> > tens of thousands can (and do) fly over the canyon each year. This
> > majority has had their Grand Canyon experience drastically diminished
> > (by restrictive overflight laws) in favor of the minority's "right"
> > to silence.
> >
> > Do the needs of the many out-weigh the needs of the few?
>
> I suspect it's more a matter of non pilots making the rules, or a small
> group of people going to the wall for "perfect preservation". If I was king
> it would be a matter of operational hours. Flights down the canyon are a
> national resource just as silence and serenity are. Opening the skys to
> flights for 4 to 6 hours a day wouldn't harm anyone but the most selfish.

It is all a matter of the "greens" exercising their power over us who
are "priviliged".

[EridanMan]

> 2) Over Washington DC and the Mall -- legally.

Eh... being a born and raised Washingtonian, yeah I think this would
be cool... but right now I'd just happily settle for a single River
Visual Approach into DCA... Which is still feasible.

[Jon Woellhaf]

Jay Honeck wrote
> I have mixed emotions [about allowing flight below the rim of the Grand
> Canyon].
> I agree that places of solitude should exist, but at what cost?

How about allowing flight through the canyon (in one direction) one day per
week or per month -- whatever -- rather than never?

[Jay Honeck]

> How about allowing flight through the canyon (in one direction) one day per
> week or per month -- whatever -- rather than never?

A wonderful compromise, logical and workable.

Which therefore means it has ZERO chance of being adopted by anyone in
our bureacracy.

Banning flight into the canyon has nothing to do with common sense.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jose]

> Banning flight into the canyon has nothing to do with common sense.

Yes it does. You just don't like it.

Jose
--
Get high on gasoline: fly an airplane.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[tom pettit]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>>> It's
>>> very sad, IMHO, as many thousands of people have had their Grand
>>> Canyon experience drastically diminished so that a far smaller number
>>> of people can quietly hike into it.
>>>
So what would the odds be of being caught if you just flew the canyon
like you were entitled to, then disappeared into the canyons in Utah?
An older airplane, or an experimental with the small numbers would be
pretty much impossible to read the tail number even with binoculars.
tom

[[email protected]]

With regard to the Grand Canyon, I must admit I am of mixed opinions
because I am a pilot, but also spent summers out there (in the early
90's) in college working with the National Park Service Resources
Management office, and specifically also the pilot who is the NPS
point person on this issue. The NPS pilot who worked on this project
is one of us (ie a general aviation pilot who flew for the park and
also owns a 172), and you can meet him at the NPS stand in the Federal
Pavillion at OSH, he has been coming to OSH for quite a few years now
and can explain all the history behind this far better than can I.
It is VERY controversial.
The air tour business had gotten so busy, and so intrusive (to MANY
people) that the Park Service had to intervene with the help of the
FAA, and in response to the dramatic increase in air tour business
over the Canyon. Some structure had to be placed to bring order to the
business, and hence we have the regulations as we see them now. The
corridors that you see on the Grand Canyon special use VFR map (which
looks like a detailed sectional or terminal area chart) is in response
to the HUGE number of complaints about how the air tour business was
conducting itself, it was essentially a free for all. They were not
really aimed at us, the occasional VFR pilot flying a Cessna, but we
get lumped in as well. If you spend any time beneath any of the VFR
corridors, you quickly get a sense of how busy it really is. A
constant stream of Jet Rangers, Twin Otters, and other aircraft flying
the tours that quickly makes the noise issue very paramount. The VFR
routes over the canyon bring some structure to the mess, and was
really needed as the traffic count was climbing quite dramatically. It
would be the same if there were no Ripon-Fisk arrival at OSH, so one
could very reasonably argue that it is a safety issue as well.
The wreckage of the Connie and DC-4 (if I remember correctly) at the
bottom of the canyon can attest to that.
Flying below the rim is spectacular, but not for the faint of heart.
It is basically an inverted mountain, so all the warnings and
recommendations for flying to the back-country strips in Idaho or
flying over the mountains out west would apply in spades at Grand
Canyon. So going for a spin down in the canyon might be fun, and you
probably would get away with it (no radar), but wouldn't necessarily
be smart.
I used to hike extensively in the Canyon, and I can say that even
though I am a pilot, there is something to say about visiting a
national park and NOT having the noise of the constant stream of Jet
Rangers and Twin Otters flying overhead. That means ALOT to ALOT of
people. I wouldn't be so quick to label them "noise nazi's" when you
are talking about one of the crown jewel national parks in our
country. It's not like the dimwit who builds his house next to the
airport that has been there for many years (a problem I encounter at
my local airport C29, and they ARE noise nazi's!).
So that is my perspective, both as a pilot and someone who worked at
Grand Canyon.
If you want to learn more, meet me at the Federal Pavillion in July at
OSH.

-Ryan in Madison

[Thomas Borchert]

Tom,

> So what would the odds be of being caught if you just flew the canyon
> like you were entitled to, then disappeared into the canyons in Utah?
>

Real high. That place is full of park rangers.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Newps]

Thomas Borchert wrote:
> Tom,
>
>
>>So what would the odds be of being caught if you just flew the canyon
>>like you were entitled to, then disappeared into the canyons in Utah?
>>
>
>
> Real high. That place is full of park rangers.

A little duct tape to the N numbers will help here.



>

[john smith[_2_]]

It seems to me, the whole arguement about flights in the canyon is about
noise. Come up with an air vehicle that doesn't make any noise, and the
flight ban goes away.

[Sylvain]

john smith wrote:

> It seems to me, the whole arguement about flights in the canyon is about
> noise. Come up with an air vehicle that doesn't make any noise, and the
> flight ban goes away.

I haven't looked into it, but what are the restrictions -- if any --
for gliders, hang gliders and paragliders, in/near the Grand Canyon?

--Sylvain

[ManhattanMan]

Sylvain wrote:
> john smith wrote:
>
>> It seems to me, the whole arguement about flights in the canyon is
>> about noise. Come up with an air vehicle that doesn't make any
>> noise, and the flight ban goes away.
>
> I haven't looked into it, but what are the restrictions -- if any --
> for gliders, hang gliders and paragliders, in/near the Grand Canyon?
>


They must make prior arrangements for removing the body at THEIR expense?
Just a thought......... :/

[[email protected]]

On Apr 14, 9:41 pm, Newps > wrote:
> Jay Honeck wrote:
> >>Another gorgeous area is the high country running E-W, just NE of
> >>Jackson Hole, WY (Wind River Range?). IMHO, it is one of the most
> >>beautiful areas that I have flown through.
>
> > I've ridden a motorcycle and driven a car throught that area, and it
> > was stunning. I'll bet from the air it's fantastic!
>
> > Wouldn't want an engine-out landing, though. Not too many options.
>
> There's very rarely no options. It's not as difficult as you might think.

Try test flying an experimental with a alternative engine in the Hole
for 150+ hours. If you keep your head screwed on straight an engine
out landing is possible in alot of places. It will just take search
and rescue a few days to get you out. :-) Thank god my V-8 has
performed perfectly.. So Far. <G>


Ben
www.haaspowerair.com
Jackson Hole Wy

[Maxwell]

"Sylvain" > wrote in message
t...
> john smith wrote:
>
>> It seems to me, the whole arguement about flights in the canyon is about
>> noise. Come up with an air vehicle that doesn't make any noise, and the
>> flight ban goes away.
>
> I haven't looked into it, but what are the restrictions -- if any --
> for gliders, hang gliders and paragliders, in/near the Grand Canyon?
>

Maybe not, I don't know. But the choice of landing sights really sucks.

[Montblack]

("Newps" wrote)
> A little duct tape to the N numbers will help here.


Ok. That makes sense.

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I'm with you so far...


Montblack