VP-2 Plans

[kansaswildman]

I found a set of plans on the net. I was wondering if anybody had a vp-2
that wasn't finished yet and would be willing to part with it fairly
reasonable. I am currently implementing the plans into AutoCad/Solidworks.
If you are interested in them for reference only...let me know.

The plans for the vp-2 are at:
http://www.wingsforum.com/aircraft/VP2/VP-2%20Plans.html

[olympusE1]

On Apr 9, 4:50 am, "kansaswildman" <u33175@uwe> wrote:
> I found a set of plans on the net. I was wondering if anybody had a vp-2
> that wasn't finished yet and would be willing to part with it fairly
> reasonable. I am currently implementing the plans into AutoCad/Solidworks.
> If you are interested in them for reference only...let me know.
>
> The plans for the vp-2 are at:http://www.wingsforum.com/aircraft/VP2/VP-2%20Plans.html

....yes, and when this page loads, it attempts to load a trojan,
Exploit_BO, in one of its more virulent iterations, onto your
computer, which in turn makes anyone running MSIE vulnerable to
downloads, trojans and other assorted unpleasant and destructive
behavior.

thanks anyway.

[olympusE1]

On Apr 9, 8:33 am, "olympusE1" > wrote:
> On Apr 9, 4:50 am, "kansaswildman" <u33175@uwe> wrote:
>
> > I found a set of plans on the net. I was wondering if anybody had a vp-2
> > that wasn't finished yet and would be willing to part with it fairly
> > reasonable. I am currently implementing the plans into AutoCad/Solidworks.
> > If you are interested in them for reference only...let me know.
>
> > The plans for the vp-2 are at:http://www.wingsforum.com/aircraft/VP2/VP-2%20Plans.html
>
...yes, and when this page loads, it attempts to load a trojan,
Exploit_BO, in one of its more virulent iterations, onto your
computer, which in turn makes anyone running MSIE vulnerable to
downloads, trojans and other assorted unpleasant and destructive
behavior.

thanks anyway.

[Morgans[_2_]]

"olympusE1" > wrote

> ...yes, and when this page loads, it attempts to load a trojan,
> Exploit_BO, in one of its more virulent iterations, onto your
> computer, which in turn makes anyone running MSIE vulnerable to
> downloads, trojans and other assorted unpleasant and destructive
> behavior.
>
> thanks anyway.

Is someone going to report this to the jerk's ISP, at least? Is there
anything else that can be done?
--
Jim in NC

[Ray[_2_]]

It's not his fault. The entire Wingsforum site/host is attempting to run
this script. McAffe identifies it as low risk, I've been seeing it pop up on
a number of web sites. Blame the host in this case, not the message author.


"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
> "olympusE1" > wrote
>
>> ...yes, and when this page loads, it attempts to load a trojan,
>> Exploit_BO, in one of its more virulent iterations, onto your
>> computer, which in turn makes anyone running MSIE vulnerable to
>> downloads, trojans and other assorted unpleasant and destructive
>> behavior.
>>
>> thanks anyway.
>
> Is someone going to report this to the jerk's ISP, at least? Is there
> anything else that can be done?
> --
> Jim in NC
>

[Darrel Toepfer]

"olympusE1" > wrote:

> http://www.wingsforum.com/aircraft/VP2/VP-2%20Plans.html
>

....yes, and when this page loads, it attempts to load a trojan,
Exploit_BO, in one of its more virulent iterations, onto your
computer, which in turn makes anyone running MSIE vulnerable to
downloads, trojans and other assorted unpleasant and destructive
behavior.

thanks anyway.
--

70 pages of .jpg's... Just turn off Active X...

[kansaswildman via AviationKB.com]

I didn't have any trouble with the website....and I run Norton. I have not
received any trojans or viruses at all. I actually got the website from
another forum that I a associated with. If anyone has gotten a virus because
of this...I am really sorry.

olympusE1 wrote:
>> I found a set of plans on the net. I was wondering if anybody had a vp-2
>> that wasn't finished yet and would be willing to part with it fairly
>> reasonable. I am currently implementing the plans into AutoCad/Solidworks.
>> If you are interested in them for reference only...let me know.
>>
>> The plans for the vp-2 are at:http://www.wingsforum.com/aircraft/VP2/VP-2%20Plans.html
>
>...yes, and when this page loads, it attempts to load a trojan,
>Exploit_BO, in one of its more virulent iterations, onto your
>computer, which in turn makes anyone running MSIE vulnerable to
>downloads, trojans and other assorted unpleasant and destructive
>behavior.
>
>thanks anyway.

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[kansaswildman via AviationKB.com]

yes to the vp-2 or yes to the plans?

olympusE1 wrote:
>> I found a set of plans on the net. I was wondering if anybody had a vp-2
>> that wasn't finished yet and would be willing to part with it fairly
>> reasonable. I am currently implementing the plans into AutoCad/Solidworks.
>> If you are interested in them for reference only...let me know.
>>
>> The plans for the vp-2 are at:http://www.wingsforum.com/aircraft/VP2/VP-2%20Plans.html
>
>...yes, and when this page loads, it attempts to load a trojan,
>Exploit_BO, in one of its more virulent iterations, onto your
>computer, which in turn makes anyone running MSIE vulnerable to
>downloads, trojans and other assorted unpleasant and destructive
>behavior.
>
>thanks anyway.

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[Ray[_2_]]

"kansaswildman via AviationKB.com" <u33175@uwe> wrote in message
news:70791f439d41c@uwe...

>>...yes, and when this page loads, it attempts to load a trojan,
>>Exploit_BO, in one of its more virulent iterations, onto your
>>computer, which in turn makes anyone running MSIE vulnerable to
>>downloads, trojans and other assorted unpleasant and destructive
>>behavior.
>>
>>thanks anyway.


I've found this script execution on almost every aviation forum running
PhhBB forum hosting software. I don't know if it's really loading this
portal for trojans or not. Just the past day or so a new variant
Exploit-ANIfile.c has shown up on some of them also. The actual plans JPG's
if you want them are virus free and any good modern virus software should
keep you safe from the site itself.

[Roberto Waltman]

"kansaswildman" <u33175@uwe> wrote:
>I found a set of plans on the net. I was wondering if anybody had a vp-2
>that wasn't finished yet

I "found" a set of VP-2 plans on the net ...
Is this Mr. Peyton Gentry aka Sean Ross aka Lamar Sherwood aka
airwolf3117 aka coconutcowboy2002 again?
Then better keep away ...

Roberto Waltman

[ Please reply to the group,
return address is invalid ]

[kansaswildman via AviationKB.com]

ROBERTO....
THIS IS NOT MR. PEYTON GENTRY.
Roberto Waltman wrote:
>>I found a set of plans on the net. I was wondering if anybody had a vp-2
>>that wasn't finished yet
>
>I "found" a set of VP-2 plans on the net ...
>Is this Mr. Peyton Gentry aka Sean Ross aka Lamar Sherwood aka
>airwolf3117 aka coconutcowboy2002 again?
>Then better keep away ...
>
>Roberto Waltman
>
>[ Please reply to the group,
> return address is invalid ]

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[Steve Foley]

"kansaswildman via AviationKB.com" <u33175@uwe> wrote in message
news:7084153d29c24@uwe...
> ROBERTO....
> THIS IS NOT MR. PEYTON GENTRY.

Getting back to the original question, keep your eyes open, and you'l come
across a set. I purchased an unused set of VP-2 plans last year for $10 (I
paid the shipping). I was really just interested in looking at them, not
building them. I found another link for a scanned set, so I downloaded them.
A few weeks later, I saw a posting here from someone looking for a set. I
sold them to him for $10 plus shipping (another $4 I think).

Check barnstormers and ebay too.

[Lou]

On Apr 11, 7:25 am, "Steve Foley" > wrote:
> "kansaswildman via AviationKB.com" <u33175@uwe> wrote in messagenews:7084153d29c24@uwe...
>

Just to let everyone know. I use an old computer to download
questionable content incase of viruses. This download does have
a virus. It will affected my computer within 24 hours of downloading.
Do not go to this page.
Lou

[kansaswildman via AviationKB.com]

I am sorry everyone. I didn't know. Anyway, If anybody needs a copy of
them....I have them Virus free...just let me know and I will send them to you.
.....or I will post on my website.


Lou wrote:
>Just to let everyone know. I use an old computer to download
>questionable content incase of viruses. This download does have
>a virus. It will affected my computer within 24 hours of downloading.
>Do not go to this page.
> Lou

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[Rich S.[_1_]]

"Lou" > wrote :
> Just to let everyone know. I use an old computer to download
> questionable content incase of viruses. This download does have
> a virus. It will affected my computer within 24 hours of downloading.
> Do not go to this page.
> Lou


It too late. Resistance is futile. You are affected.

All your base are belong to us.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!

[Peter Dohm]

> > Just to let everyone know. I use an old computer to download
> > questionable content incase of viruses. This download does have
> > a virus. It will affected my computer within 24 hours of downloading.
> > Do not go to this page.
> > Lou
>
>
> It too late. Resistance is futile. You are affected.
>
> All your base are belong to us.
>
> BWAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!
>
>
I never new the Borg could laugh, learn something new each day.

Peter ;-)

[Darrel Toepfer]

"Peter Dohm" > wrote:

> > All your base are belong to us

> I never new the Borg could laugh, learn something new each day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_your_base_are_belong_to_us

[Ron Wanttaja]

On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 03:09:20 GMT, Darrel Toepfer > wrote:

> "Peter Dohm" > wrote:
>
> > > All your base are belong to us
>
> > I never new the Borg could laugh, learn something new each day.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_your_base_are_belong_to_us

P.S. I'll find my frog.

Ron Wanttaja

[Dan[_2_]]

Ron Wanttaja wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 03:09:20 GMT, Darrel Toepfer > wrote:
>
>> "Peter Dohm" > wrote:
>>
>>>> All your base are belong to us
>>> I never new the Borg could laugh, learn something new each day.
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_your_base_are_belong_to_us
>
> P.S. I'll find my frog.
>
> Ron Wanttaja
>

Your frog croaked.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Steve Foley]

"Dan" > wrote in message
...

>> P.S. I'll find my frog.
>>
>> Ron Wanttaja
>>
>
> Your frog croaked.
>
> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

And I shook it at her and I said "Here's frogs to you"

[Ron Wanttaja]

On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:22:10 GMT, "Steve Foley" >
wrote:

> "Dan" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> >> P.S. I'll find my frog.
> >>
> >> Ron Wanttaja
> >>
> >
> > Your frog croaked.
> >
> > Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
>
> And I shook it at her and I said "Here's frogs to you"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hopkin_Green_Frog

http://lostfrog.org/ (click the images)

Ron Wanttaja

[kansaswildman via AviationKB.com]

Question people, these latest threads posted.....what the heck do they have
to do with a vp-2 or its plans? If you guys are interested in stuff other
than a vp-2 or its plans, then maybe you should start a new forum on Seseame
Street!

Ron Wanttaja wrote:
>> >> P.S. I'll find my frog.
>> >>
>[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>>
>> And I shook it at her and I said "Here's frogs to you"
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hopkin_Green_Frog
>
>http://lostfrog.org/ (click the images)
>
>Ron Wanttaja

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[Morgans[_2_]]

"kansaswildman via AviationKB.com" <u33175@uwe> wrote in message
news:70a4095953d28@uwe...
> Question people, these latest threads posted.....what the heck do they
> have
> to do with a vp-2 or its plans? If you guys are interested in stuff other
> than a vp-2 or its plans, then maybe you should start a new forum on
> Seseame
> Street!

Not a darn thing. It's humor.

You got the answers, of where to find plans, so the thread is over, right?

Learn to laugh a little, you'll live longer.
--
Jim in NC

[Ron Wanttaja]

On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:22:15 GMT, "kansaswildman via AviationKB.com"
<u33175@uwe> wrote:

> Question people, these latest threads posted.....what the heck do they have
> to do with a vp-2 or its plans? If you guys are interested in stuff other
> than a vp-2 or its plans, then maybe you should start a new forum on Seseame
> Street!

Since your own posting contributed nothing to knowledge of whereabouts of VP-2
plans or provided any information their contents, why did *you* leave the "VP-2"
subject line? Why should others abide by "rules" you refuse to follow yourself?


Ron Wanttaja

[Anthony W]

Ron Wanttaja wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:22:15 GMT, "kansaswildman via AviationKB.com"
> <u33175@uwe> wrote:
>
>> Question people, these latest threads posted.....what the heck do they have
>> to do with a vp-2 or its plans? If you guys are interested in stuff other
>> than a vp-2 or its plans, then maybe you should start a new forum on Seseame
>> Street!
>
> Since your own posting contributed nothing to knowledge of whereabouts of VP-2
> plans or provided any information their contents, why did *you* leave the "VP-2"
> subject line? Why should others abide by "rules" you refuse to follow yourself?
>
>
> Ron Wanttaja

If some one wants a set of VP2 plans on CD, I'll make one up and send it
to you for the cost of priority mail shipping.

With that said, back to the humor and zoom bashing. ;o)

[Dan[_2_]]

Anthony W wrote:
> Ron Wanttaja wrote:
>> On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:22:15 GMT, "kansaswildman via AviationKB.com"
>> <u33175@uwe> wrote:
>>
>>> Question people, these latest threads posted.....what the heck do
>>> they have
>>> to do with a vp-2 or its plans? If you guys are interested in stuff
>>> other
>>> than a vp-2 or its plans, then maybe you should start a new forum on
>>> Seseame
>>> Street!
>>
>> Since your own posting contributed nothing to knowledge of whereabouts
>> of VP-2
>> plans or provided any information their contents, why did *you* leave
>> the "VP-2"
>> subject line? Why should others abide by "rules" you refuse to follow
>> yourself?
>>
>>
>> Ron Wanttaja
>
> If some one wants a set of VP2 plans on CD, I'll make one up and send it
> to you for the cost of priority mail shipping.
>
> With that said, back to the humor and zoom bashing. ;o)

What, a thread with no frays? I am shocked, SHOCKED!

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[[email protected]]

On Apr 13, 7:58 pm, Anthony W > wrote:
>
> ...
>
> If some one wants a set of VP2 plans on CD, I'll make one up and send it
> to you for the cost of priority mail shipping.
>
> With that said, back to the humor and zoom bashing. ;o)

Did Mr Evans relinquish his copyrights and release the plans into the
public domain?

--

FF

[Morgans[_2_]]

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> On Apr 13, 7:58 pm, Anthony W > wrote:
>>
>> ...
>>
>> If some one wants a set of VP2 plans on CD, I'll make one up and send it
>> to you for the cost of priority mail shipping.
>>
>> With that said, back to the humor and zoom bashing. ;o)
>
> Did Mr Evans relinquish his copyrights and release the plans into the
> public domain?

I don't know the answer to that, but I did find what I believe to be a full
set online, after searching "volksplane 2 plans."

They are all JPG's, I think, so it would require a bit of "creative
interpretation" to build a plane from it, but I believe it could be done.
--
Jim in NC

[Ed Sullivan]

On 13 Apr 2007 15:05:13 -0700, wrote:

>On Apr 13, 7:58 pm, Anthony W > wrote:
>>
>> ...
>>
>> If some one wants a set of VP2 plans on CD, I'll make one up and send it
>> to you for the cost of priority mail shipping.
>>
>> With that said, back to the humor and zoom bashing. ;o)
>
>Did Mr Evans relinquish his copyrights and release the plans into the
>public domain?

I think Mr. Evans was concerned with the less than adequate
performance of the VP-2 and quit selling the plans to avoid liability.

[Montblack]

("Dan" wrote)
> What, a thread with no frays? I am shocked, SHOCKED!


I'd check the ground.


Montblack-wire-goes-where?

[[email protected]]

On Apr 14, 5:53 am, Ed Sullivan > wrote:
> On 13 Apr 2007 15:05:13 -0700, wrote:
>
> >On Apr 13, 7:58 pm, Anthony W > wrote:
>
> >> ...
>
> >> If some one wants a set of VP2 plans on CD, I'll make one up and send it
> >> to you for the cost of priority mail shipping.
>
> >> With that said, back to the humor and zoom bashing. ;o)
>
> >Did Mr Evans relinquish his copyrights and release the plans into the
> >public domain?
>
> I think Mr. Evans was concerned with the less than adequate
> performance of the VP-2 and quit selling the plans to avoid liability.

That is also my understanding, which is why I suppose it is
unlikely that he would relinquish his rights or authorize others
to publish them.

Courts can order that infringing copies be destroyed. How
closely you would have to follow the plans to infringe on them
I don't know. It'd be a bummer to watch the sheriff's deputies
feed your airplane into a wood chipper.

More to the point, the inventor doesn't want people to build
them. That is probably worth noting.

--

FF

[Lou]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't a copywrite last for
a certain amount of time then it has to be renewed? If not
renewed in time, it becomes public domain.
Lou

[Ron Wanttaja]

On 14 Apr 2007 09:16:57 -0700, "Lou" > wrote:

> Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't a copywrite last for
> a certain amount of time then it has to be renewed? If not
> renewed in time, it becomes public domain.

Yes, but the period is at least 75 years past the death of the author.

The authors certainly can release them to public domain well before that. I
wrote a commercial flight simulator game about 25 years back, and upon a polite
query about five years ago, provided just such a written release. When another
guy asked for a PDF file of the manual, I put the release inside the front
cover:

http://www.wanttaja.com/IFR.pdf

It doesn't make any difference for a VIC-20 flight simulator, but I'm not sure
whether one can shed legal liability for an aircraft design by making it public
domain. However, IIRC, the canard folks market a CD-ROM with complete Long-EZ
plans on it, and I suspect that if Rutan was worried, he could easily stop them.

Ron Wanttaja

[[email protected]]

On Apr 14, 4:42 pm, Ron Wanttaja > wrote:
> On 14 Apr 2007 09:16:57 -0700, "Lou" > wrote:
>
> > Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't a copywrite last for
> > a certain amount of time then it has to be renewed? If not
> > renewed in time, it becomes public domain.
>
> Yes, but the period is at least 75 years past the death of the author.

But there is no longer such a thing as renewal.

>
> The authors certainly can release them to public domain well before that. I
> wrote a commercial flight simulator game about 25 years back, and upon a polite
> query about five years ago, provided just such a written release. When another
> guy asked for a PDF file of the manual, I put the release inside the front
> cover:
>
> http://www.wanttaja.com/IFR.pdf
>
> It doesn't make any difference for a VIC-20 flight simulator, but I'm not sure
> whether one can shed legal liability for an aircraft design by making it public
> domain. However, IIRC, the canard folks market a CD-ROM with complete Long-EZ
> plans on it, and I suspect that if Rutan was worried, he could easily stop them.
>

I would suspect that he would have a better defense if he reserved
his rights. That would be a proactive step to prevent an accident.

--

FF

[[email protected]]

On Apr 14, 4:16 pm, "Lou" > wrote:
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't a copywrite last for
> a certain amount of time then it has to be renewed? If not
> renewed in time, it becomes public domain.
> ...

Since you asked for corrections, you misspelt 'copyright'.

--

FF

[Ron Wanttaja]

On 14 Apr 2007 13:59:56 -0700, wrote:

> On Apr 14, 4:42 pm, Ron Wanttaja > wrote:
> > On 14 Apr 2007 09:16:57 -0700, "Lou" > wrote:
> >
> > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't a copywrite last for
> > > a certain amount of time then it has to be renewed? If not
> > > renewed in time, it becomes public domain.
> >
> > Yes, but the period is at least 75 years past the death of the author.
>
> But there is no longer such a thing as renewal.

They've made other changes to allow owners to prevent works from lapsing into
the public domain. The copyright on many of Disney's cartoon characters was due
to expire, and you can be sure the company won't let *that* happen....

Ron Wanttaja

[Ed Sullivan]

On 14 Apr 2007 14:01:23 -0700, wrote:

>On Apr 14, 4:16 pm, "Lou" > wrote:
>> Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't a copywrite last for
>> a certain amount of time then it has to be renewed? If not
>> renewed in time, it becomes public domain.
>> ...
>
>Since you asked for corrections, you misspelt 'copyright'.

Since you brought it up, the dictionary does not contain Misspelt as a
variant of misspelled.

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Ed Sullivan" > wrote
>
> Since you brought it up, the dictionary does not contain Misspelt as a
> variant of misspelled.

He was just following the rule that all posts correcting someone's spelling,
must have at least one mistak. <g>
--
Jim in NC

[Peter Dohm]

"Ron Wanttaja" > wrote in message
...
> On 14 Apr 2007 09:16:57 -0700, "Lou" > wrote:
>
> > Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't a copywrite last for
> > a certain amount of time then it has to be renewed? If not
> > renewed in time, it becomes public domain.
>
> Yes, but the period is at least 75 years past the death of the author.
>
> The authors certainly can release them to public domain well before that.
I
> wrote a commercial flight simulator game about 25 years back, and upon a
polite
> query about five years ago, provided just such a written release. When
another
> guy asked for a PDF file of the manual, I put the release inside the front
> cover:
>
> http://www.wanttaja.com/IFR.pdf
>
> It doesn't make any difference for a VIC-20 flight simulator, but I'm not
sure
> whether one can shed legal liability for an aircraft design by making it
public
> domain. However, IIRC, the canard folks market a CD-ROM with complete
Long-EZ
> plans on it, and I suspect that if Rutan was worried, he could easily stop
them.
>
> Ron Wanttaja

I don't recall where, but I seem to recall that someone sued Burt Rutan
following an accident in either a VariEze or LongEze. According to the
story, Rutan won the case but was sufficiently annoyed that he discontinued
any association with plans sales.

OTOH, the issue of "Pirate Plans" seems to have gained a lot of amateur
advocacy based on the controversy over [millions of] copies of recorded
music. I am not sure how much of that is applicable to aircraft plans; but
I do have a practical, rather than legal, pair of suggestions:
1) If the plans are no longer available from either the original source,
or a successor, you really should thing about whether the project makes
sense. For example; if the plans were withdrawn because the designer had
doubts regarding the continued availability of a critical component, such as
a preferred engine; then perhaps you should share his doubts. You will be
stepping into the design, support and test pilot roles; after the original
designer gave up.
2) If the plans are still available and supported; then buy them! If you
place any value on your time, then even marginal support will more than pay
you back.

Peter
Just my $0.02

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Peter Dohm" > wrote

> I don't recall where, but I seem to recall that someone sued Burt Rutan
> following an accident in either a VariEze or LongEze. According to the
> story, Rutan won the case but was sufficiently annoyed that he
> discontinued
> any association with plans sales.

Do you suppose that he won't be putting out the plans for Spaceship One? <g>
--
Jim in NC

[Peter Dohm]

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Peter Dohm" > wrote
>
> > I don't recall where, but I seem to recall that someone sued Burt Rutan
> > following an accident in either a VariEze or LongEze. According to the
> > story, Rutan won the case but was sufficiently annoyed that he
> > discontinued
> > any association with plans sales.
>
> Do you suppose that he won't be putting out the plans for Spaceship One?
<g>
> --
> Jim in NC
>
>
It doesn't look very promising. <g>

Actually, I'm just glad that the Defiant plans were released.

Peter

[Dan[_2_]]

Montblack wrote:
> ("Dan" wrote)
>> What, a thread with no frays? I am shocked, SHOCKED!
>
>
> I'd check the ground.
>
>
> Montblack-wire-goes-where?
>
>
I looked outside, yep, the ground is still there. No checks, cash only.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Darrel Toepfer]

"Morgans" > wrote:

> Do you suppose that he won't be putting out the plans for Spaceship
> One? <g>

Since he was issued a patent on it, I'm sure you can gain access to it
through said office...

[[email protected]]

On Apr 14, 9:51 pm, Ron Wanttaja > wrote:
> On 14 Apr 2007 13:59:56 -0700, wrote:
>
> > On Apr 14, 4:42 pm, Ron Wanttaja > wrote:
> > > On 14 Apr 2007 09:16:57 -0700, "Lou" > wrote:
>
> > > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't a copywrite last for
> > > > a certain amount of time then it has to be renewed? If not
> > > > renewed in time, it becomes public domain.
>
> > > Yes, but the period is at least 75 years past the death of the author.
>
> > But there is no longer such a thing as renewal.
>
> They've made other changes to allow owners to prevent works from lapsing into
> the public domain. The copyright on many of Disney's cartoon characters was due
> to expire, and you can be sure the company won't let *that* happen....
>

Sonny Bono sponsored some sort of Micky Mouse law extending
copyright protections for cartoon characters. But I think that
extension has or soon will run out.

IMHO, a cartoon character ought to be protected under trademark
like a caricature used as a logo.

--

FF

[Ron Wanttaja]

On 15 Apr 2007 11:27:52 -0700, wrote:

> Sonny Bono sponsored some sort of Micky Mouse law extending
> copyright protections for cartoon characters. But I think that
> extension has or soon will run out.
>
> IMHO, a cartoon character ought to be protected under trademark
> like a caricature used as a logo.

It can, but the movies & cartoons themselves were different. The copyrights on
the earliest Disney cartoons had been slated to expire, and the company didn't
want repackagers to re-issue them (without paying their pound of flesh to
Disney, of course).

Ron Wanttaja

[[email protected]]

On Apr 15, 7:50 pm, Ron Wanttaja > wrote:
> On 15 Apr 2007 11:27:52 -0700, wrote:
>
> > Sonny Bono sponsored some sort of Micky Mouse law extending
> > copyright protections for cartoon characters. But I think that
> > extension has or soon will run out.
>
> > IMHO, a cartoon character ought to be protected under trademark
> > like a caricature used as a logo.
>
> It can, but the movies & cartoons themselves were different. The copyrights on
> the earliest Disney cartoons had been slated to expire, and the company didn't
> want repackagers to re-issue them (without paying their pound of flesh to
> Disney, of course).
>

Ah yes. Trademarks may be used without permission, so long as they
are not used deceptively.

--

FF

[[email protected]]

On Apr 14, 10:13 pm, Ed Sullivan > wrote:
> On 14 Apr 2007 14:01:23 -0700, wrote:
>
> >On Apr 14, 4:16 pm, "Lou" > wrote:
> >> Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't a copywrite last for
> >> a certain amount of time then it has to be renewed? If not
> >> renewed in time, it becomes public domain.
> >> ...
>
> >Since you asked for corrections, you misspelt 'copyright'.
>
> Since you brought it up, the dictionary does not contain Misspelt as a
> variant of misspelled.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/misspelt

--

FF

[Ed Sullivan]

On 15 Apr 2007 18:00:21 -0700, wrote:

>On Apr 14, 10:13 pm, Ed Sullivan > wrote:
>> On 14 Apr 2007 14:01:23 -0700, wrote:
>>
>> >On Apr 14, 4:16 pm, "Lou" > wrote:
>> >> Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't a copywrite last for
>> >> a certain amount of time then it has to be renewed? If not
>> >> renewed in time, it becomes public domain.
>> >> ...
>>
>> >Since you asked for corrections, you misspelt 'copyright'.
>>
>> Since you brought it up, the dictionary does not contain Misspelt as a
>> variant of misspelled.
>
>http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/misspelt

O.K., I stand corrected, what's the world coming to.

[Dan[_2_]]

Ed Sullivan wrote:
> On 15 Apr 2007 18:00:21 -0700, wrote:
>
>> On Apr 14, 10:13 pm, Ed Sullivan > wrote:
>>> On 14 Apr 2007 14:01:23 -0700, wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Apr 14, 4:16 pm, "Lou" > wrote:
>>>>> Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't a copywrite last for
>>>>> a certain amount of time then it has to be renewed? If not
>>>>> renewed in time, it becomes public domain.
>>>>> ...
>>>> Since you asked for corrections, you misspelt 'copyright'.
>>> Since you brought it up, the dictionary does not contain Misspelt as a
>>> variant of misspelled.
>> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/misspelt
>
> O.K., I stand corrected, what's the world coming to.

Actually the world ended at 2400 GMT 31 December 1999. It seems
rec.aviation.homebuilt isn't Y2K compliant.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Peter Dohm]

> >>
> >> >Since you asked for corrections, you misspelt 'copyright'.
> >>
> >> Since you brought it up, the dictionary does not contain Misspelt as a
> >> variant of misspelled.
> >
> >http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/misspelt
>
> O.K., I stand corrected, what's the world coming to.

Actually, "misspelt" may be obsolete, but still appears in some
dictionaries.

Dictionary.com shows it, as follows:

mis·spell /m?s'sp?l/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled
Pronunciation[mis-spel] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
-verb (used with object), verb (used without object), -spelled
or -spelt, -spell·ing. to spell incorrectly.

[Origin: 1645-55; mis-1 + spell1]
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)
Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006.

I don't have a cross reference to the OED, but they would presumably have
some discussion as well.

Peter

[SkyDaddy]

>
> Actually the world ended at 2400 GMT 31 December 1999. It seems
> rec.aviation.homebuilt isn't Y2K compliant.
> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Dunno 'bout dat, looking at all the glass-panel doohickey articles in
Kitplanes.

[Barnyard BOb]

On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 22:13:48 GMT, Ed Sullivan wrote:

>Since you brought it up, the dictionary does not contain Misspelt as a
>variant of misspelled.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

NOT EXACTLY, Ed...

source:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=misspelt

1. misspelt

Yet another example of a 'strong verb' past form. It is the past
tense and past participle of misspell. Apart from dialectal
preferences, it is equal in meaning to the form misspell in all ways.

British English shows a preference for retaining strong verb forms
(burnt, learnt, spelt, dreamt, spoilt etc). American English shows a
preference for ignora... I'm mean simplification (burned, learned
etc).


FROM: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.....

Spelt is also the simple past tense and past participle
of the verb to spell.


- Barnyard BOb Urban -

[Barnyard BOb]

On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 22:13:48 GMT, Ed Sullivan wrote:

>Since you brought it up, the dictionary does not contain Misspelt as a
>variant of misspelled.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=misspelt


5. misspelt

V. To spell a word incorrectly.

According to the Oxford American Heritage Dictionary, Herald colleges
edition, both "misspelled" and "misspelt" are acceptible.

[Anthony W]

Barnyard BOb wrote:

> Yet another example of a 'strong verb' past form. It is the past
> tense and past participle of misspell. Apart from dialectal
> preferences, it is equal in meaning to the form misspell in all ways.
>
> British English shows a preference for retaining strong verb forms
> (burnt, learnt, spelt, dreamt, spoilt etc). American English shows a
> preference for ignora... I'm mean simplification (burned, learned
> etc).

I had a similar problem with an English prof when I was in college. I
used "learnt" in an essay and she marked it wrong. Being the lazy bum
that I am, if WordPerfect didn't flag it as wrong, it was good enough
for me. I insisted I was right and she looked it up to prove me wrong
only to find I was right. Some college profs get a god complex and have
a hard time handling being proved wrong...

Tony

[Ed Sullivan]

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 07:27:35 -0500, Barnyard BOb
> wrote:

>
>On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 22:13:48 GMT, Ed Sullivan wrote:
>
>>Since you brought it up, the dictionary does not contain Misspelt as a
>>variant of misspelled.
>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>
>http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=misspelt
>
>
>5. misspelt
>
> V. To spell a word incorrectly.
>
>According to the Oxford American Heritage Dictionary, Herald colleges
>edition, both "misspelled" and "misspelt" are acceptible.
>
>
I consulted the Merriam Webster online dictionary which probably
reflected an Irish contempt for all things English, Haw!

[Rich S.[_1_]]

"Anthony W" > wrote in message
news:9ysVh.8623$k7.8500@trndny05...
> I had a similar problem with an English prof when I was in college. I
> used "learnt" in an essay and she marked it wrong. Being the lazy bum
> that I am, if WordPerfect didn't flag it as wrong, it was good enough for
> me. I insisted I was right and she looked it up to prove me wrong only to
> find I was right. Some college profs get a god complex and have a hard
> time handling being proved wrong...

Boy, you showed *her*, Tony. I'm sure it didn't reflect on your final
grade - nor recommendations for graduate studies. I'll bet you're a real
hoot at work! Many a supervisor makes mistreaks which need correcting.
You GO, boy! :)

Rich S.

[Anthony W]

Rich S. wrote:
> "Anthony W" > wrote in message ..
>> I had a similar problem with an English prof when I was in college. I
>> used "learnt" in an essay and she marked it wrong. Being the lazy bum
>> that I am, if WordPerfect didn't flag it as wrong, it was good enough for
>> me. I insisted I was right and she looked it up to prove me wrong only to
>> find I was right. Some college profs get a god complex and have a hard
>> time handling being proved wrong...
>
> Boy, you showed *her*, Tony. I'm sure it didn't reflect on your final
> grade - nor recommendations for graduate studies. I'll bet you're a real
> hoot at work! Many a supervisor makes mistreaks which need correcting.
> You GO, boy! :)
>
> Rich S.

The mistake on her part would have cost me a grade on the paper. I did
OK in the rest of the class. I found that keeping good records was a
good defense for college profs that decide to grade on a personal likes
rather than what I learnt in class. I'd rather take a stand than be a
sheep...

Tony

[Barnyard BOb]

>Rich S. wrote:
>> "Anthony W" > wrote in message ..
>>> I had a similar problem with an English prof when I was in college. I
>>> used "learnt" in an essay and she marked it wrong. Being the lazy bum
>>> that I am, if WordPerfect didn't flag it as wrong, it was good enough for
>>> me. I insisted I was right and she looked it up to prove me wrong only to
>>> find I was right. Some college profs get a god complex and have a hard
>>> time handling being proved wrong...
>>
>> Boy, you showed *her*, Tony. I'm sure it didn't reflect on your final
>> grade - nor recommendations for graduate studies. I'll bet you're a real
>> hoot at work! Many a supervisor makes mistreaks which need correcting.
>> You GO, boy! :)
>>
>> Rich S.
>
>The mistake on her part would have cost me a grade on the paper. I did
>OK in the rest of the class. I found that keeping good records was a
>good defense for college profs that decide to grade on a personal likes
>rather than what I learnt in class. I'd rather take a stand than be a
>sheep...
>
>Tony
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Tony,
Nobody has ever remotely accused me of being a sheep
in my 69 years on this planet. Rich S. knows what I'm like. :-)

If you are met in life with the same penalties that have
befallen me, you will realize waay too late...
it wasn't worth it.

Take heed of the advice that Rich S has so uniquely given
you and save yourself a lot of future grief and heartache.

If I had my life to do over again, I certainly would still be true
to myself and my values, but would sugar coat the truth with
so much ****in' honey, my detractors would die of diabetes!!!!

- Barnyard BOb -

[Barnyard BOb]

Ed Sullivan wrote:

>Barnyard BOb
> wrote:
>
>>
>>According to the Oxford American Heritage Dictionary, Herald colleges
>>edition, both "misspelled" and "misspelt" are acceptible.
>>
>>
>I consulted the Merriam Webster online dictionary which probably
>reflected an Irish contempt for all things English, Haw!
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Haw?
HAW?
H-A-W ?!?!?!!?!?

No wonder everyone thinks your dead, Ed.


- Barnyard BOb -

[Anthony W]

Barnyard BOb wrote:

> Tony,
> Nobody has ever remotely accused me of being a sheep
> in my 69 years on this planet. Rich S. knows what I'm like. :-)
>
> If you are met in life with the same penalties that have
> befallen me, you will realize waay too late...
> it wasn't worth it.
>
> Take heed of the advice that Rich S has so uniquely given
> you and save yourself a lot of future grief and heartache.
>
> If I had my life to do over again, I certainly would still be true
> to myself and my values, but would sugar coat the truth with
> so much ****in' honey, my detractors would die of diabetes!!!!
>
> - Barnyard BOb -

I agree most of the time but some battles are worth the fight. At the
time (close to 20 years ago,) that battle was worth it. As I recall I
got a B in that class and that's the same grade I got in all other
writing classes that I took. On the other hand, I once proved a
computer science instruction wrong and I took a hard reaming on that
class. Rather than fighting it, I took it as a lesson to keep copies of
everything.

Tony

[Ed Sullivan]

On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 09:30:43 -0500, Barnyard BOb
> wrote:

>
>Ed Sullivan wrote:
>
>>Barnyard BOb
> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>According to the Oxford American Heritage Dictionary, Herald colleges
>>>edition, both "misspelled" and "misspelt" are acceptible.
>>>
>>>
>>I consulted the Merriam Webster online dictionary which probably
>>reflected an Irish contempt for all things English, Haw!
>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>
>Haw?
>HAW?
>H-A-W ?!?!?!!?!?
>
>No wonder everyone thinks your dead, Ed.
>
>
>- Barnyard BOb -

Shouldn't that be You're?

And what makes you think I aint?

[Barnyard BOb]

>>Haw?
>>HAW?
>>H-A-W ?!?!?!!?!?
>>
>>No wonder everyone thinks your dead, Ed.
>>
>>
>>- Barnyard BOb -
>
>Shouldn't that be You're?

No....
it should be you're, not You're.


>And what makes you think I aint?

Dead Irishmen can't continue to rag on everyone's spelling.


- Barnyard BOb -

[Ed Sullivan]

On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 17:40:10 -0500, Barnyard BOb
> wrote:

>
>
>>>Haw?
>>>HAW?
>>>H-A-W ?!?!?!!?!?
>>>
>>>No wonder everyone thinks your dead, Ed.
>>>
>>>
>>>- Barnyard BOb -
>>
>>Shouldn't that be You're?
>
>No....
>it should be you're, not You're.
>
>
>>And what makes you think I aint?
>
>Dead Irishmen can't continue to rag on everyone's spelling.
>
>
>- Barnyard BOb -

Does your reincarnation grant you a special dispensation to pick nits?

Dead Ed

[Robert Bonomi]

In article >,
Ed Sullivan > wrote:
>On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 17:40:10 -0500, Barnyard BOb
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>>>Haw?
>>>>HAW?
>>>>H-A-W ?!?!?!!?!?
>>>>
>>>>No wonder everyone thinks your dead, Ed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>- Barnyard BOb -
>>>
>>>Shouldn't that be You're?
>>
>>No....
>>it should be you're, not You're.
>>
>>
>>>And what makes you think I aint?
>>
>>Dead Irishmen can't continue to rag on everyone's spelling.
>>
>>
>>- Barnyard BOb -
>
>Does your reincarnation grant you a special dispensation to pick nits?

He doesn't need dispensation for _that_ kind of witticisms.

He who picks nits, as a display of wit, is a ........ *grin*

[Ed Sullivan]

On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:29:09 -0000,
(Robert Bonomi) wrote:

>In article >,
>Ed Sullivan > wrote:
>>On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 17:40:10 -0500, Barnyard BOb

>>>Dead Irishmen can't continue to rag on everyone's spelling.
>>>
>>>
>>>- Barnyard BOb -
>>
>>Does your reincarnation grant you a special dispensation to pick nits?
>
>He doesn't need dispensation for _that_ kind of witticisms.
>
>He who picks nits, as a display of wit, is a ........ *grin*
>
Lordy, now you're a target.

Dead Ed

[Barnyard BOb]

On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 23:36:27 -0700, Ed Sullivan
> wrote:

>On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 17:40:10 -0500, Barnyard BOb
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>>>Haw?
>>>>HAW?
>>>>H-A-W ?!?!?!!?!?
>>>>
>>>>No wonder everyone thinks your dead, Ed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>- Barnyard BOb -
>>>
>>>Shouldn't that be You're?
>>
>>No....
>>it should be you're, not You're.
>>
>>
>>>And what makes you think I aint?
>>
>>Dead Irishmen can't continue to rag on everyone's spelling.
>>
>>
>>- Barnyard BOb -
>
>Does your reincarnation grant you a special dispensation to pick nits?
>
>Dead Ed
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=

Semi-limited to the professed dead, Ed. ;-)



- Barnyard BOb -

[Barnyard BOb]

>>>>Dead Irishmen can't continue to rag on everyone's spelling.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>- Barnyard BOb -
>>>
>>>Does your reincarnation grant you a special dispensation to pick nits?
>>
>>He doesn't need dispensation for _that_ kind of witticisms.
>>
>>He who picks nits, as a display of wit, is a ........ *grin*
>>
>Lordy, now you're a target.
>
>Dead Ed

=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Dead Ed...
How is it that you feel you can speak with certainty for me
when I have no intention of 'targeting' Reckless Robert?

If your demise granted you special clairvoyant dispensation,
be advised not to commit to anything life threatening, er....
death threatening until you sort out all the bugs.


- Barnyard BOb -

[Ed Sullivan]

On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 13:17:01 -0500, Barnyard BOb
> wrote:

>
>>>>>Dead Irishmen can't continue to rag on everyone's spelling.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>- Barnyard BOb -
>>>>
>>>>Does your reincarnation grant you a special dispensation to pick nits?
>>>
>>>He doesn't need dispensation for _that_ kind of witticisms.
>>>
>>>He who picks nits, as a display of wit, is a ........ *grin*
>>>
>>Lordy, now you're a target.
>>
>>Dead Ed
>
>=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>
>Dead Ed...
>How is it that you feel you can speak with certainty for me
>when I have no intention of 'targeting' Reckless Robert?
>
>If your demise granted you special clairvoyant dispensation,
>be advised not to commit to anything life threatening, er....
>death threatening until you sort out all the bugs.
>
>
>- Barnyard BOb -
>
>
I seem to have gotten lost in the exchanges. I have never been able to
speak with certainty about anything and I don't think I know which
Robert you are referring to. Bear in mind that being one step removed
from the quick makes it a little hard to keep track of what's going on
there.

alleged dead ed

[Barnyard BOb]

>>If your demise granted you special clairvoyant dispensation,
>>be advised not to commit to anything life threatening, er....
>>death threatening until you sort out all the bugs.
>>
>>
>>- Barnyard BOb -
>>
>>
>I seem to have gotten lost in the exchanges. I have never been able to
>speak with certainty about anything and I don't think I know which
>Robert you are referring to. Bear in mind that being one step removed
>from the quick makes it a little hard to keep track of what's going on
>there.
>
>alleged dead ed
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Oi Vay!


- Barnayrd BOb -

[Dan[_2_]]

Barnyard BOb wrote:
>>> If your demise granted you special clairvoyant dispensation,
>>> be advised not to commit to anything life threatening, er....
>>> death threatening until you sort out all the bugs.
>>>
>>>
>>> - Barnyard BOb -
>>>
>>>
>> I seem to have gotten lost in the exchanges. I have never been able to
>> speak with certainty about anything and I don't think I know which
>> Robert you are referring to. Bear in mind that being one step removed
>>from the quick makes it a little hard to keep track of what's going on
>> there.
>>
>> alleged dead ed
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>
> Oi Vay!
>
>
> - Barnayrd BOb -

Inquiry about parliamentary process: if one is dead is one allowed
input into such discourse? Isn't a medium required? If the medium gains
weight does she become a large?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Ed Sullivan]

On Tue, 01 May 2007 00:04:30 -0500, Dan > wrote:

>Barnyard BOb wrote:
>>>> If your demise granted you special clairvoyant dispensation,
>>>> be advised not to commit to anything life threatening, er....
>>>> death threatening until you sort out all the bugs.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - Barnyard BOb -
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I seem to have gotten lost in the exchanges. I have never been able to
>>> speak with certainty about anything and I don't think I know which
>>> Robert you are referring to. Bear in mind that being one step removed
>>>from the quick makes it a little hard to keep track of what's going on
>>> there.
>>>
>>> alleged dead ed
>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>
>> Oi Vay!
>>
>>
>> - Barnayrd BOb -
>
> Inquiry about parliamentary process: if one is dead is one allowed
>input into such discourse? Isn't a medium required? If the medium gains
>weight does she become a large?
>
>Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

I my case at 265 lbs I require a 2X large.

Dead Ed

[Robert Bonomi]

In article >, Dan > wrote:
>Barnyard BOb wrote:
>>>> If your demise granted you special clairvoyant dispensation,
>>>> be advised not to commit to anything life threatening, er....
>>>> death threatening until you sort out all the bugs.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - Barnyard BOb -
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I seem to have gotten lost in the exchanges. I have never been able to
>>> speak with certainty about anything and I don't think I know which
>>> Robert you are referring to. Bear in mind that being one step removed
>>>from the quick makes it a little hard to keep track of what's going on
>>> there.
>>>
>>> alleged dead ed
>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>
>> Oi Vay!
>>
>>
>> - Barnayrd BOb -
>
> Inquiry about parliamentary process: if one is dead is one allowed
>input into such discourse? Isn't a medium required?

A television is sufficient. After all:

Lemma:
Television is a medium.
Proof:
It is not rare.
It is not well done.
Q.E.D.

> If the medium gains
>weight does she become a large?

It's the dwarf clarvoyant who breaks out of jail. Giving rise to the
headline:

Small Medium at Large.

[Dan[_2_]]

Robert Bonomi wrote:
> In article >, Dan > wrote:
>> Barnyard BOb wrote:
>>>>> If your demise granted you special clairvoyant dispensation,
>>>>> be advised not to commit to anything life threatening, er....
>>>>> death threatening until you sort out all the bugs.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> - Barnyard BOb -
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I seem to have gotten lost in the exchanges. I have never been able to
>>>> speak with certainty about anything and I don't think I know which
>>>> Robert you are referring to. Bear in mind that being one step removed
>>> >from the quick makes it a little hard to keep track of what's going on
>>>> there.
>>>>
>>>> alleged dead ed
>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>>
>>> Oi Vay!
>>>
>>>
>>> - Barnayrd BOb -
>> Inquiry about parliamentary process: if one is dead is one allowed
>> input into such discourse? Isn't a medium required?
>
> A television is sufficient. After all:
>
> Lemma:
> Television is a medium.
> Proof:
> It is not rare.
> It is not well done.
> Q.E.D.
>
>> If the medium gains
>> weight does she become a large?
>
> It's the dwarf clarvoyant who breaks out of jail. Giving rise to the
> headline:
>
> Small Medium at Large.
>
>
That was bad. May all your fleas have camels.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[The Boating Fool]

On May 1, 4:45 pm, (Robert Bonomi) wrote:
> In article >, Dan > wrote:
> >Barnyard BOb wrote:
> >>>> If your demise granted you special clairvoyant dispensation,
> >>>> be advised not to commit to anything life threatening, er....
> >>>> death threatening until you sort out all the bugs.
>
> >>>> - Barnyard BOb -
>
> >>> I seem to have gotten lost in the exchanges. I have never been able to
> >>> speak with certainty about anything and I don't think I know which
> >>> Robert you are referring to. Bear in mind that being one step removed
> >>>from the quick makes it a little hard to keep track of what's going on
> >>> there.
>
> >>> alleged dead ed
> >> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>
> >> Oi Vay!
>
> >> - Barnayrd BOb -
>
> > Inquiry about parliamentary process: if one is dead is one allowed
> >input into such discourse? Isn't a medium required?
>
> A television is sufficient. After all:
>
> Lemma:
> Television is a medium.
> Proof:
> It is not rare.
> It is not well done.
> Q.E.D.
>
> > If the medium gains
> >weight does she become a large?
>
> It's the dwarf clarvoyant who breaks out of jail. Giving rise to the
> headline:
>
> Small Medium at Large.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Edward would have approved....

[Barnyard BOb]

>>>> Oi Vay!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - Barnayrd BOb -
>>> Inquiry about parliamentary process: if one is dead is one allowed
>>> input into such discourse? Isn't a medium required?
>>
>> A television is sufficient. After all:
>>
>> Lemma:
>> Television is a medium.
>> Proof:
>> It is not rare.
>> It is not well done.
>> Q.E.D.
>>
>>> If the medium gains
>>> weight does she become a large?
>>
>> It's the dwarf clarvoyant who breaks out of jail. Giving rise to the
>> headline:
>>
>> Small Medium at Large.
>>
>>
>That was bad. May all your fleas have camels.
>
>Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
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So much for info on VP-2 plans, eh? :-)


- Barnyard BOb -

[Ed Sullivan]

On Thu, 03 May 2007 13:18:02 -0500, Barnyard BOb
> wrote:

>
>
>>>>> Oi Vay!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> - Barnayrd BOb -
>>>> Inquiry about parliamentary process: if one is dead is one allowed
>>>> input into such discourse? Isn't a medium required?
>>>
>>> A television is sufficient. After all:
>>>
>>> Lemma:
>>> Television is a medium.
>>> Proof:
>>> It is not rare.
>>> It is not well done.
>>> Q.E.D.
>>>
>>>> If the medium gains
>>>> weight does she become a large?
>>>
>>> It's the dwarf clarvoyant who breaks out of jail. Giving rise to the
>>> headline:
>>>
>>> Small Medium at Large.
>>>
>>>
>>That was bad. May all your fleas have camels.
>>
>>Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
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>
>So much for info on VP-2 plans, eh? :-)
>
>
>- Barnyard BOb -

I have flown one and it was one of my more unpleasant experiences. I
can think of no reason someone would want to build one.

So there...Dead Ed

[Barnyard BOb]

>>>>
>>>>> If the medium gains
>>>>> weight does she become a large?
>>>>
>>>> It's the dwarf clarvoyant who breaks out of jail. Giving rise to the
>>>> headline:
>>>>
>>>> Small Medium at Large.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>That was bad. May all your fleas have camels.
>>>
>>>Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
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>>
>>So much for info on VP-2 plans, eh? :-)
>>
>>
>>- Barnyard BOb -
>
>I have flown one and it was one of my more unpleasant experiences. I
>can think of no reason someone would want to build one.
>
>So there...Dead Ed
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Dead Ed....
How unpleasant?

Did 'it' kill ya?


- Barnyard BOb -

[Ed Sullivan]

On Fri, 04 May 2007 02:34:46 -0500, Barnyard BOb
> wrote:


>>>- Barnyard BOb -
>>
>>I have flown one and it was one of my more unpleasant experiences. I
>>can think of no reason someone would want to build one.
>>
>>So there...Dead Ed
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>
>Dead Ed....
>How unpleasant?
>
>Did 'it' kill ya?
>
>
>- Barnyard BOb -

Nay, but it tried.

Dead Ed