Windows Vista - ready for Soaring Laptops?

[chris]

It is time to upgrade the old laptop, was wondering if Window Vista is
compatible with the soaring software/hardware.

So does the Edition of Vista matter? I think for my work needs [CAD
and Desktop Publishing]
I will end up with the Business edition,
do these other versions cause any additional considerations?
Ultimate
Home Premium
Home Basic

SeeYou - seems like it has been tested ok

WinScore ?

StrePla - I think they issued a new compatible version.

Winpilot 3D
Winpilot Pro/Adv for PDA

PDA hardware:

I understand that Activesync is now called "Microsoft Windows Mobile
Device Center" Sadly only Windows Mobile 2003 and Windows Mobile 5
are supported, older versions no longer: So old Compaq Aeros and many
other Ipaqs cannot install new software upgrades since Active sync is
not available. You may be able to connect and copy files but that is
not the same as installing via activesync.

SeeYou Mobile seems to have a workaround installing the contents of a
zip onto the memory card.

Since most new laptops do not include a serial port I plan to add a
serial port adapter pcmcia card. [to be capatible with my
Volkslogger, and Garmin as well as other peoples serial port stuff]


Would appreciate feedback.
Chris

[[email protected]]

Are there not current work-arounds for Active-Sync available? Do we
really have to pitch our trusty Compaq Aeros?

[Tuno]

My question is, how can you have the need to upgrade your laptop's OS
but not need to upgrade your Compaq Aero platform?

[flying_monkey]

On Apr 10, 4:43 pm, "chris" > wrote:
> It is time to upgrade the old laptop, was wondering if Window Vista is
> compatible with the soaring software/hardware.
>
> So does the Edition of Vista matter?
Don't know.
>
> SeeYou - seems like it has been tested ok
I've used this without problems on my Vista Home Premium. (But I
still hate Vista. I don't need a nanny, and I've turned off all that
user account control stuff.)
>
> StrePla - I think they issued a new compatible version.
I've used StrePla with no problem.

>
> Winpilot 3D
> Winpilot Pro/Adv for PDA
>
> PDA hardware:
>
> I understand that Activesync is now called "Microsoft Windows Mobile
> Device Center" Sadly only Windows Mobile 2003 and Windows Mobile 5
> are supported, older versions no longer: So old Compaq Aeros and many
> other Ipaqs cannot install new software upgrades since Active sync is
> not available. You may be able to connect and copy files but that is
> not the same as installing via activesync.
I've been able to install Pocket StrePla fine on my Axim, which is a
WM5 device.
>
> Since most new laptops do not include a serial port I plan to add a
> serial port adapter pcmcia card. [to be capatible with my
> Volkslogger, and Garmin as well as other peoples serial port stuff]
Why wouldn't you use a USB serial port? Probably easier and cheaper,
I would think.

One thing about Vista is that it's a memory hog. The laptop you buy
will probably have .5 or 1GB, but that's not enough. You will need to
upgrade to 2GB to get performance like the same machine would give you
with an XP machine and 1GB. And the builder will probably give you
that 1GB by filling both slots with .5GB SODIMMs, which means that you
will end up with two wasted chips. *******s!

Ed

[[email protected]]

I like the AERO....I can see it and I don't miss the pretty colors.
But my laptop is Windows98 and the motherboard is on its last
legs...both of these I use for soaring only. So I suppose I can shop
Ebay for a good price on an XP laptop. I fly a 20 year old Ventus
with SNAV-GPSNAV and that works for me. So pitching a perfectly fine
8 year old PDA is not a priority if I can avoid it. Hell, I even have
cracks on my gelcoat for that matter :)

[01-- Zero One]

Er... Uh... It is not a matter of money or prestige. The Aero still
has the most readable screen in daylight out there. Period. I know
people who are hoarding them. I have 3 or 4 myself ... just in case....



BTW, because of the built-in CF card slot, I _never_ use ActiveSync.



Larry

"zero one" USA



"Tuno" > wrote in message
ups.com:

> My question is, how can you have the need to upgrade your laptop's OS
> but not need to upgrade your Compaq Aero platform?

[J. Nieuwenhuize]

On 10 apr, 23:25, "flying_monkey" > wrote:
> One thing about Vista is that it's a memory hog. The laptop you buy
> will probably have .5 or 1GB, but that's not enough. You will need to
> upgrade to 2GB to get performance like the same machine would give you
> with an XP machine and 1GB. And the builder will probably give you
> that 1GB by filling both slots with .5GB SODIMMs, which means that you
> will end up with two wasted chips. *******s!
>
> Ed

Which is nonsense. I've been running Vista (Premium) quite a while and
with 1GB it runs fine, comparable with XP Pro. Only due to the intense
need of memory, mainly from Pro/E and Catia, combined expecially I
upgraded to 3GB.

[Paul Remde]

Hi,

If you are simply copying waypoints and soaring software you can use a CF
card reader with your PC. There is no real need to connect the Aero 1500 to
the PC.

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> Are there not current work-arounds for Active-Sync available? Do we
> really have to pitch our trusty Compaq Aeros?
>
>

[chris]

On Apr 10, 6:08 pm, "Paul Remde" > wrote:
> If you are simply copying waypoints and soaring software you can use a CF
> card reader with your PC. There is no real need to connect the Aero 1500 to
> the PC.
>
> Paul Remde

Maybe for Glidenav you just copy the file over. Other programs like
WinPilot and others needed to be installed on the PDA via ActiveSync.

[chris]

On Apr 10, 5:25 pm, "Tuno" > wrote:
> My question is, how can you have the need to upgrade your laptop's OS
> but not need to upgrade your Compaq Aero platform?

My windows 98SE machine only has dial-up internet access, do I really
need to say more?
And my PDA has Windows Mobile 2003 SE.
So I'm not worried about Aeros for myself - that was just brought up
to make others aware of the issue of losing support.

[[email protected]]

On the subject of needing a serial port for many of the older flight
loggers and computers. You have 2 options. You can buy a serial port
PCMCIA card and install it in your computer or it is much more
conveniently to purchase a USB serial port adapter. The second option
allows you to use that USB device on any computer. The serial USB port
adapter looks like a small memory stick and costs less than $20. One
caveat though is that the computer assigns a com port number to the
USB device. My computer assigned it to com port 3. Usually the com
port number is 1. That's easy to change. I now can communicate with my
old CAI LNAV loggers using a modern laptop with the latest MSN
operating system
Dave

Chris wrote:

> Since most new laptops do not include a serial port I plan to add a
> serial port adapter pcmcia card. [to be capatible with my
> Volkslogger, and Garmin as well as other peoples serial port stuff]
>

[Bill Daniels]

I understand the desirability of the USB adaptor approach but I went through
no less than 6 USB/serial adaptors and cables before giving up and
installing a serial card. It worked straight off.

Bill Daniels

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> On the subject of needing a serial port for many of the older flight
> loggers and computers. You have 2 options. You can buy a serial port
> PCMCIA card and install it in your computer or it is much more
> conveniently to purchase a USB serial port adapter. The second option
> allows you to use that USB device on any computer. The serial USB port
> adapter looks like a small memory stick and costs less than $20. One
> caveat though is that the computer assigns a com port number to the
> USB device. My computer assigned it to com port 3. Usually the com
> port number is 1. That's easy to change. I now can communicate with my
> old CAI LNAV loggers using a modern laptop with the latest MSN
> operating system
> Dave
>
> Chris wrote:
>
>> Since most new laptops do not include a serial port I plan to add a
>> serial port adapter pcmcia card. [to be capatible with my
>> Volkslogger, and Garmin as well as other peoples serial port stuff]
>>
>

[Tuno]

The key to USB adapters is that unlike many other USB devices, most
USB serial adapters will not work unless you install the
manufacturer's driver. Windows will not report any error if you don't,
and will even say the device is working properly and ready to use if
you ask it.

I use the Keyspan adapter and it works great.

2NO

[Bill Daniels]

For the record, I installed all the mfg's drivers. The USB devices worked
on everything except the Volkslogger.

Bill Daniels

"Tuno" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> The key to USB adapters is that unlike many other USB devices, most
> USB serial adapters will not work unless you install the
> manufacturer's driver. Windows will not report any error if you don't,
> and will even say the device is working properly and ready to use if
> you ask it.
>
> I use the Keyspan adapter and it works great.
>
> 2NO
>

[Cliff Hilty]

I had the same problem with the SN10 only one adaptr
would work and that was the Belkin FU45 I think?

I bought a windoze Vista compaq and after fighting
with the open GL graphics drivers and low memory issues
and all of the other Vista crap I took the computer
back and bought a refurb t-30 IBM thinkpad that has
a serial port and came with a liensed edition of XP
Pro. I am much happier now. Vista just sucks and they
pushed it out before any one has had time to write
new drivers for it yet.


At 19:56 11 April 2007, Bill Daniels wrote:
>For the record, I installed all the mfg's drivers.
> The USB devices worked
>on everything except the Volkslogger.
>
>Bill Daniels
>
>'Tuno' wrote in message
ups.com...
>> The key to USB adapters is that unlike many other
>>USB devices, most
>> USB serial adapters will not work unless you install
>>the
>> manufacturer's driver. Windows will not report any
>>error if you don't,
>> and will even say the device is working properly and
>>ready to use if
>> you ask it.
>>
>> I use the Keyspan adapter and it works great.
>>
>> 2NO
>>
>
>
>

[Cliff Hilty]

I had the same problem with the SN10 only one adaptr
would work and that was the Belkin FU45 I think?

I bought a windoze Vista compaq and after fighting
with the open GL graphics drivers and low memory issues
and all of the other Vista crap I took the computer
back and bought a refurb t-30 IBM thinkpad that has
a serial port and came with a liensed edition of XP
Pro. I am much happier now. Vista just sucks and they
pushed it out before any one has had time to write
new drivers for it yet.


At 19:56 11 April 2007, Bill Daniels wrote:
>For the record, I installed all the mfg's drivers.
> The USB devices worked
>on everything except the Volkslogger.
>
>Bill Daniels
>
>'Tuno' wrote in message
ups.com...
>> The key to USB adapters is that unlike many other
>>USB devices, most
>> USB serial adapters will not work unless you install
>>the
>> manufacturer's driver. Windows will not report any
>>error if you don't,
>> and will even say the device is working properly and
>>ready to use if
>> you ask it.
>>
>> I use the Keyspan adapter and it works great.
>>
>> 2NO
>>
>
>
>

[[email protected]]

I took a look on Ebay for legal XP laptops and you can get a lot of
bang for your buck as people such to Vista.

[[email protected]]

Thank god for virtualization! Go get a MAC laptop, throw vmware on it
and install a copy of windows XP. Everything works, and you can even
program your SN10 with it using the Belkin FU45.

The best part is that after you are done with your soaring SW, you can
shut down the XP and use a great laptop for your general needs.


On Apr 11, 1:36 pm, Cliff Hilty >
wrote:
> I had the same problem with the SN10 only one adaptr
> would work and that was the Belkin FU45 I think?
>
> I bought a windoze Vista compaq and after fighting
> with the open GL graphics drivers and low memory issues
> and all of the other Vista crap I took the computer
> back and bought a refurb t-30 IBM thinkpad that has
> a serial port and came with a liensed edition of XP
> Pro. I am much happier now. Vista just sucks and they
> pushed it out before any one has had time to write
> new drivers for it yet.
>
> At 19:56 11 April 2007, Bill Daniels wrote:
>
> >For the record, I installed all the mfg's drivers.
> > The USB devices worked
> >on everything except the Volkslogger.
>
> >Bill Daniels
>
> >'Tuno' wrote in message
> ups.com...
> >> The key to USB adapters is that unlike many other
> >>USB devices, most
> >> USB serial adapters will not work unless you install
> >>the
> >> manufacturer's driver. Windows will not report any
> >>error if you don't,
> >> and will even say the device is working properly and
> >>ready to use if
> >> you ask it.
>
> >> I use the Keyspan adapter and it works great.
>
> >> 2NO