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Larry Dighera
April 13th 07, 10:36 PM
Below is a first draft of my critique of this report. Any
suggestions, error corrections, or other critique is welcome.
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The report below was funded by federal grants, and created by medical
researchers at Johns Hopkins University. Their report's noble mission
is an attempt to provide guidance in mitigating fatalities resulting
from aviation operations conducted by other than military and airline
operators.

Because of the researchers' apparent unfamiliarity with the segment of
aviation they chose as the focus of their report, I personally find
the authors' implied causations and conclusions to be less than
astute. While the researchers may be adequately qualified to assess
medical issues, their report is flawed in its analysis due to their
apparent unfamiliarity with aviation.

Because of the hysterical treatment of General Aviation activities in
the news media prior to the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001,
and its increase in shrill sensationalism post 9/11, I feel compelled
to rebut many of the notions put forth in this report. To distinguish
my critique from the text of the original report, I will enclose my
words within square brackets.


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Crash Risk in General Aviation

Guohua Li, MD, DrPH
Susan P. Baker, MPH


IN THE AFTERNOON OFOCTOBER 11, 2006, A PRIVATE PLANE crashed into
an apartment complex in Manhattan, killing the pilot, New York
Yankees pitcher Cory Lidle, and his flight instructor Tyler
Stanger. The impact destroyed the 4-seat, single-engine aircraft
and set the building on fire. The crash scene brought aviation
safety back to national headlines.1

[The choice of this accident for the opening of this publicly funded
report created by ostensibly erudite academicians is unfortunate. This
accident was sensationalized in the news media because it involved a
celebrity, and it took the form familiar to those who witnessed the
9/11 terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center towers. In reality it
was not significantly more remarkable than any other pilot error
mishap. Publicly trotting out this tragic incident evokes emotional
reaction in a report that should be professional and factual, not
sensational, and may reveal a certain prejudiced mind-set or bias on
the part of the researchers.]

In this article, we examine the crash risk of private flights,
identify major factors influencing survival in aviation crashes,
and discuss possible approaches for improving the safety of
general aviation.

[While the report's stated mission is a noble, I take issue with the
authors' intent to limit it to "private flights." There is no formal
definition of a "private flight." There are FAA certified airmen who
are Private Pilots, and as such they are prohibited by federal
regulations from receiving compensation for flying; but the report's
scope is obviously not limited to flights conducted by them as is
evident by the paragraph below.]

Crash Rates
Civilian aviation generally can be divided into 2 groups:
commercial and noncommercial flights.2 Commercial flights
transport individuals and goods to generate revenue; they include
operations of major airlines, commuter air carriers, and air
taxis. Noncommercial flights, usually called general aviation,
encompass a wide array of activities—emergency medical services
(EMS), sightseeing, flight training, traffic reporting, aerial
surveys, search and rescue, crop dusting, firefighting, logging,
recreation, and personal or business use. General aviation
aircraft range from small private airplanes and business jets to
helicopters, hot-air balloons, and gliders.

[This paragraph reveals the researchers' lack of understanding of the
definition of General Aviation. Air Taxi, pipe-line and power-line
patrol, crop dusting, and air charter flights all generate revenue,
are piloted by airmen holding FAA Commercial or Airline Transport
Pilot certificates, and they are all General Aviation operations. In
fact, other than military aviation operations and airline (Code of
Federal Regulations Title 14 Part 121) operations, all aviation
operations are classified under the General Aviation designation. To
assert that medical rescue helicopter ambulance services, flight
training, traffic reporting, aerial surveys, and crop dusting are
noncommercial is ridiculous.]

Currently, there are approximately 228 000 active private pilots
and 220 000 registered general aviation aircraft in the United
States; 93% of the aircraft are planes, 4% are rotorcraft, and 3%
are nonmotorized craft such as gliders.3 From 2002 through 2005,
general aviation, with an annual average of 1685 crashes and 583
deaths, comprised 91% of all aviation crashes and 94% of all
aviation fatalities.4 The fatal crash rate for general aviation,
1.31 fatal crashes per 100 000 flight hours, is 82 times the rate
for major airlines (0.016).3 This difference in crash rates has
persisted over many decades.

[This statement, while probably true, misleads the reader into the
belief that all aspects of General Aviation are _inherently_ more life
threatening than airline flight, because of its attempt to compare two
dissimilar classes of aircraft operation.

Consider airline flights:

* Long distance legs require lots of hours but only one takeoff
and one landing, those being accepted as the most hazardous
phases of flight.
* Two professional pilots at the controls
* An FAA certificated Dispatcher on the ground influencing flight
decisions.
* Able to fly above the weather
* ...


General Aviation flights:

* Short distance legs mean many more landings and takeoffs are
performed per hour than on airline routes.
* Usually only one pilot at the controls.
* Often the pilot holds only a student certificate.
* During training flights, which constitute a large percentage of
GA flight hours, the corners of the flight envelope are
routinely explored.
* Flights conducted entirely within the Troposphere where weather
exists.
* ...]

Risk Factors for Crash Involvement
Due to their relatively small aircraft size and low altitude,
general aviation flights are especially vulnerable to adverse
weather conditions.

[The above statement, while generally true, overlooks the fact that
many large aircraft are operated under the General Aviation
designation. For example, actor John Travolta flies a Boeing 707,
aviation advocacy groups fly B-17 Flying Fortresses, the air cargo
operators fly large airlines fitted for freight hauling; all are large
aircraft flown in General Aviation operations.]

Flight procedures vary with weather conditions. Visual flight
rules regulate procedures for flight under visual meteorological
conditions (defined as a ceiling of 1000 feet and 3 miles of
visibility), with the guiding principle of “see and avoid.”

[Actually, Instrument Flight Rules (IFR) apply to all flights on an
Instrument Flight Plan regardless of whether the weather meets Visual
Metrological Condition (VMC) minima or Instrument Metrological
Conditions (IMC). Further, see-and-avoid is mandated by federal
regulations for _all_ flights, IFR or VFR, conducted in VMC.]

Flight under reduced visibility is governed by instrument flight
rules, for which the navigation and control of the aircraft are
performed using instruments.

[That is true, but the vast majority of IFR operations occur in VMC.
Of course, the only time the aircraft is piloted solely by reference
to instruments is during IMC.]

Although commercial flights are almost always operated under
instrument flight rules, general aviation pilots often fly under
visual flight rules and may not have the necessary training for
flying under instrument meteorological conditions.

[As I have pointed out earlier, many General Aviation flights are
commercial in nature, because someone is paying to have them
performed. The researchers probably meant to use the word 'airline'
instead of 'commercial' here.

It is true that most airmen who hold a Private FAA certificate are not
instrument rated. However nearly all airman who hold a Commercial or
Airline Transport Pilot certificate are instrument rated by the FAA to
operate in IMC.]

For pilots without instrument training, flying from visual flight
rules into instrument meteorological conditions is a perilous
scenario.

[There are a miniscule number of airmen who hold FAA certificates,
that have not received any instrument training; instrument training is
not required to obtain a Glider certificate. The phrase the
researchers probably meant to use was 'instrument rating' not
'instrument training.'

Regardless, it is true that the average life expectancy of a pilot who
is not instrument rated and qualified (recent experience) is a bit
over a minute when unintentionally finding himself in a cloud that
totally obscures his outside reference.]

A case-control study revealed that having been initially
licensed after age 25 years and not having an instrument rating
(ie, not being qualified for flying under instrument flight rules)
are each associated with a 4-fold increased risk of being in a
general aviation crash in instrument meteorological conditions.5

[I'm having difficulty parsing the above sentence. The use of the
verb 'are' above implies the plural. Are the researchers saying, both
being licensed after the age of 25 years and not having an instrument
rating _each_ increase the risk of a mishap by 400% if they should
attempt to conduct a flight in IMC for a total increase in risk of
800%. I hesitate to presume to infer the intended meaning of the
researchers statement.]

Partly reflecting inadequate training and flight experience, pilot
error is a contributing factor in 85% of general aviation crashes
compared with 38% of airline crashes.6

Other environmental factors (eg, airport features, wires, and
terrain) also play an important role in general aviation safety.
Flying is especially hazardous in Alaska, where the crash rate per
flight hour for general aviation is nearly 3 times the national
average.7

A considerable body of research literature on pilot
characteristics and crash risk exists.8 Alcohol-impaired flying is
a well-established risk factor for general aviation crashes.

[Alcohol poses the same risk for airline operations, but because there
are usually two pilots at the controls and occasional medical testing,
it is less likely to occur.]

In the 1960s, alcohol reportedly was involved in more than 30% of
fatal general aviation crashes.9 Experimental studies conducted in
flight simulators indicate that alcohol, in doses as low as 0.02
g/dL, can impair piloting skills, such as the ability to detect
angular motion and changes in the oil pressure gauge.10 The
impairment in pilot performance increases with blood alcohol
concentrations (BACs) in a doseresponse fashion. In a study
involving actual flights, Billings et al11 reported that when BACs
reached the level of 0.12 g/dL, pilots lost control of the
aircraft in 16 of 30 flights. Consequently, the Federal Aviation
Administration (FAA) has implemented alcohol education programs
and adopted a zero-tolerance alcohol policy.

[I am unaware of any FAA alcohol education programs for other than
airline pilots, and I've held an airmans certificate since 1970.]

Currently, federal aviation regulations prohibit any person from
acting as a crew member within 8 hours after consuming any
alcoholic beverage or while having a BAC of 0.04 g/dL or higher.
The legal alcohol limit for pilots, 0.04 g/dL, was promulgated in
1985 when it was considered the lowest level that could be
reliably measured by testing equipment.9

In 1990, the FAA amended regulations regarding background checks
on pilots for alcohol-related motor vehicle convictions, requiring
pilots to provide a written report of each alcohol-related traffic
offense within 60 days of the conviction. Flying privileges can be
suspended or revoked if a pilot has had 2 or more convictions for
driving under the influence in the past 3 years. A recent cohort
study indicated that a history of driving while intoxicated is a
valid risk marker for general aviation pilots. After adjusting for
age, sex, and flight experience, the study showed that a history
of driving while intoxicated was associated with a 43% increased
risk of aviation crash involvement.12 Following intensive research
and interventions, the proportion of alcohol involvement in fatal
general aviation crashes has decreased progressively from more
than 30% in the early 1960s to about 8% today.13

Sudden incapacitation of the pilot is a critical safety issue for
general aviation flights, which, unlike commercial flights,
usually do not have a co-pilot who could take control of the
aircraft in an emergency. Cardiovascular disease, particularly
acute myocardial infarction, is the leading cause of in-flight
incapacitation. The incidence rate of sudden incapacitation due to
cardiovascular disease for general aviation pilots is estimated to
be 1.7 crashes per 100 000 pilots per year and increases with
pilot age.14 However, less than 1% of general aviation crashes are
attributable to sudden incapacitation resulting from medical
emergencies.14

Other known or suspected risk factors for general aviation crashes
include pilot inexperience,5,12 older age,12 male sex,12
nonconformist flying behavior (measured by an index of
noncompliance with generally accepted flying procedure),15 and
prior aviation crash and violation records.5,16


Risk Factors for Crash Fatality
Most general aviation crashes do not result in fatalities. Factors
influencing occupant survival in aviation crashes have been
studied extensively.17-20 Emerging from these studies are 4 major
environmental and pilot-related risk factors for crash fatality:
aircraft fire, instrument meteorological conditions, off-airport
location, and failure to use safety restraints. Aircraft fire is
the single most important determinant of occupant survival in
aviation crashes, regardless of the type of flight or aircraft. In
one study, the crash fatality rate (defined as the proportion of
crashes resulting in
1 deaths) for general aviation crashes was
15% in the absence of fire and 69% when there was a fire.19
Aircraft fire is involved in 13% of general aviation crashes but
accounts for 40% of crash fatalities; the adjusted odds ratio of
pilot fatality associated with aircraft fire is 14 in general
aviation crashes.19

The risk of fire after a crash can be reduced through appropriate
aircraft design. Crash-resistant fuel systems, designed to sustain
high-impact forces without rupture and leakage, have virtually
eliminated postcrash fire and thermal fatalities in US Army
helicopter crashes.21 This technology is also effective in
preventing fires when applied to civil helicopters, although to a
lesser extent than in US Army helicopters due to a weaker standard
for civil helicopters.22

[If aircraft fuel systems can be made crash resistant without imposing
too great a cost or weight penalty, they should be. But I don't seem
them being offered on the most recently certified GA aircraft.]

Adverse weather conditions increase the chance of a crash and are
important determinants of crash outcome. General aviation crashes
occurring in instrument meteorological conditions are more likely
to be fatal than crashes in visual meteorological conditions.

[This is likely due to loss of control resulting in speed that exceeds
the design limits of the aircraft structure or the rapid onset of
icing conditions.]

Although representing only 9% of general aviation crashes,
instrument-condition crashes account for 28% of pilot
fatalities.19 Adverse weather may increase the risk of fatality in
aviation crashes in several ways. First, crashes occurring in
conditions of degraded visibility may involve considerably greater
impact forces than crashes in visual conditions because the pilot
has less warning of impending impact. Second, instrument
conditions may hamper search and rescue efforts. And third,
extremely low or high temperatures may pose a significant risk to
crash survivors, particularly those injured, while waiting for
rescue.

The risk of fatality following a crash also depends on the crash
location. Overall, 46% of general aviation crashes occur at
airports.19 The crash fatality rate for general aviation crashes
occurring away from airports is 36% compared with 6% for crashes
at airports.19 Like weather, location may influence survival
through several pathways. Off-airport crashes are more likely to
involve high-velocity, uncontrolled impacts than on-airport
crashes.

[I'd have to see credible evidence that supports that allegation
before I'd accept it.]

Locations away from airports may lengthen and severely complicate
search and rescue attempts, including fire-fighting and EMS.

Not wearing safety restraints, including lap belts and shoulder
restraints, is another risk factor for pilot fatality. A study of
commuter and air taxi crashes found that those not wearing
shoulder restraints were nearly 4 times as likely to die as those
wearing them.17 Research has confirmed that safety restraints are
also a significant protective factor for pilots in general
aviation crashes.18 Recently, seatbelt airbags have become
standard equipment in many new general aviation aircraft. The
devices, available also as retrofit kits, combine airbags with
restraint systems that have integrated lap belts and shoulder
belts and offer improved protection for the head and neck.23

[A pilot who flies without the use of shoulder restraint belts is a
fool.

It is curious that the researchers failed to mention ballistic
parachute recovery systems like those currently mandated for the
recently FAA certified Cirrus aircraft.]

The general aviation crash fatality rate has remained at about 19%
for the past 20 years while the overall airline crash fatality
rate has declined from 16% from 1986 through 1995 to 6% from 1996
through 2005.4,24

[Due to the reduction in airline operations due to the September 11,
2001 terrorist attacks, increased airport security, and general
decline in airline ticket sales, that statistic may be misleading.]

The higher fatality rate for general aviation crashes may be
because such aircraft are not as able to withstand impact forces
and protect occupants from death and severe injury as commercial
aircraft are.

[A more robust airframe requires increased weight. There is a
tradeoff of safety for performance.]

In recent decades, while major airlines have improved seat
strength, revised exit row configurations, and used more fire
retardant materials, few improvements have been made in general
aviation aircraft, in part, because federal regulations only
require safety improvements for entirely new aircraft models. A
corresponding policy for automobiles would have meant that
Volkswagen Beetles could have been sold without seatbelts for
decades after federal regulation required them in all new cars.

[The Volkswagen analogy is flawed. The ubiquitous Cessna 172 aircraft
have had should restraints for decades despite their first being FAA
certified in the 1950s.]

General Aviation and Public Safety
General aviation accounts for the vast majority of aviation
crashes and casualties.

[That is because there are over ten times the number of GA aircraft
than there are airline aircraft.]

Although crash rates have decreased somewhat, the crash fatality
rate of general aviation has not changed in the past 20 years.
Since the September 11, 2001, attacks, aviation safety efforts
have centered on improving aviation security, including the
security of small airports and airstrips used primarily by general
aviation.

Besides being a public safety concern, general aviation intersects
with medicine directly in at least 2 ways. First, transporting
patients from crash sites and between medical facilities is more
hazardous than generally recognized, and EMS flight crew members
have an occupational injury death rate that is 15 times the
average for all occupations.20 Despite 1 EMS helicopter in 3 being
likely to crash during a life span of 15 years, few EMS
helicopters have crash-resistant fuel systems.20 Second, physician
pilots crash at a higher rate per flight hour than other pilots.25
It is possible that physicians are more likely than other pilots
to buy high-performance aircraft that require more time for
mastery than their schedules may allow. In addition, physicians
may take risks (eg, fly when fatigued or in bad weather) in order
to meet the demands of a busy medical practice. From 1986 through
2005, a total of 816 physician and dentist pilots were involved in
general aviation crashes; of them, 270 (33%) were fatally injured.
Physician and dentist pilots accounted for 1.6% of all general
aviation crashes and 3.0% of pilot fatalities (Carol Floyd, BS,
National Transportation Safety Board, written communication,
February 2, 2007).


Conclusions
In summary, general aviation crashes are a little-recognized
public safety problem even though they account for the great
majority of aviation deaths.

[Little recognized by whom? Ask the average lay citizen, and he'll
tell you "them little planes are dangerous."]

To improve the safety of general aviation, interventions are
needed to improve fuel system integrity and restraint systems,
enhance general crashworthiness of small aircraft,

Those are only viable measures if their added weight and cost do not
so negatively impact aircraft performance and affordability so as to
render General Aviation operations impractical.]

and reduce weather-related crashes through pilot training and
avionics technology.

[When someone invents a better method of training pilots, I am
confident it will be implemented. Avionics technology, especially
Global Positioning System equipment, has already begun to provide
pilot situational awareness enhancements, and the NASA/FAA Capstone
and Small Aviation Transportation System projects are poised to
revolutionize GA flight operations.]

The FAA and the National Transportation Safety Board should place
high priority on reducing general aviation crashes and allocate
adequate resources for developing and implementing effective
intervention programs.

[Faced with limited budget and exponential growth in airline
operations, the FAA has other priorities that take precedence.]

Financial Disclosures: None reported.

Funding/Support: This work was funded in part by grants R01AA09963
and R01AG13642 from the National Institutes of Health and grant
CCR302486 from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Role of the Sponsor: The funding agencies had no role in the
preparation, review, or approval of the manuscript.

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Jim Logajan
April 13th 07, 10:49 PM
Larry Dighera > wrote:
> Below is a first draft of my critique of this report. Any
> suggestions, error corrections, or other critique is welcome.

What's your intent, other than posting it to Usenet? Are you planning to
send it as a letter to the JAMA?

Peter R.
April 13th 07, 10:55 PM
On 4/13/2007 5:36:14 PM, Larry Dighera wrote:

> Below is a first draft of my critique of this report. Any
> suggestions, error corrections, or other critique is welcome.
<snip>

Sometimes it is good to have you in our corner, Larry. I applaud your effort.

--
Peter

Larry Dighera
April 13th 07, 11:07 PM
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 21:49:45 -0000, Jim Logajan >
wrote in >:

>Larry Dighera > wrote:
>> Below is a first draft of my critique of this report. Any
>> suggestions, error corrections, or other critique is welcome.
>
>What's your intent, other than posting it to Usenet? Are you planning to
>send it as a letter to the JAMA?

Well, after I refine it, with the assistance of the knowledgeable
readership of this newsgroup, I will submit it to the authors, JAMA,
AOPA, and AvWeb.

Do you see any glaring errors?

Larry Dighera
April 13th 07, 11:08 PM
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:55:09 -0400, "Peter R." >
wrote in >:

>On 4/13/2007 5:36:14 PM, Larry Dighera wrote:
>
>> Below is a first draft of my critique of this report. Any
>> suggestions, error corrections, or other critique is welcome.
><snip>
>
>Sometimes it is good to have you in our corner, Larry. I applaud your effort.

Thank you.

Some things are worth the effort. General Aviation is one of them.

C J Campbell[_1_]
April 13th 07, 11:22 PM
On 2007-04-13 14:36:11 -0700, Larry Dighera > said:

A fine, well thought out article, Larry. However, I maintain (and
always have) that we do not have an image problem. We have a safety
problem. We always have had a safety problem. If we can clean up the
safety problem the image problem will go away.

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

Jim Logajan
April 14th 07, 12:09 AM
Larry Dighera > wrote:
> Well, after I refine it, with the assistance of the knowledgeable
> readership of this newsgroup, I will submit it to the authors, JAMA,
> AOPA, and AvWeb.

If JAMA publishes it, expect it to be cut down. It probably needs to be
reformatted since I'm not sure the Usenet style of quoting the text being
commented on is acceptable. A journal is going to alot you only so much
space, and you want it all to be used to make _your_ points. I'd therefore
suggest a rewrite so that it doesn't need to quote the original.

> Do you see any glaring errors?

I'd need some time to review it. It's too long, I think, to send to JAMA.
Sure, there are lots of nits to pick, but unlike Usenet (where you don't
have to be brief - though the longer a post is, the less likely people will
read it to its end) I think you'll need to focus in on the one or two
aspect of their article you think are most in need of rebuttal and discard
the other criticisms.

All in my humble opinion!

Mxsmanic
April 14th 07, 12:14 AM
Larry Dighera writes:

> Well, after I refine it, with the assistance of the knowledgeable
> readership of this newsgroup, I will submit it to the authors, JAMA,
> AOPA, and AvWeb.

How can it be evaluated without seeing the original document that it
addresses? Do you have a source for the report itself?

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

Maxwell
April 14th 07, 12:26 AM
"Peter R." > wrote in message
...
> On 4/13/2007 5:36:14 PM, Larry Dighera wrote:
>
>> Below is a first draft of my critique of this report. Any
>> suggestions, error corrections, or other critique is welcome.
> <snip>
>
> Sometimes it is good to have you in our corner, Larry. I applaud your
> effort.
>

Same here Larry, thanks for having the ability and taking the time.

Sylvain
April 14th 07, 01:11 AM
Jim Logajan wrote:

> will read it to its end) I think you'll need to focus in on the one or two
> aspect of their article you think are most in need of rebuttal and discard
> the other criticisms.

As much as I appreciate the effort made by Larry, I'll have to agree; two
points that could be worth focusing on is that (a) they do not understand
what General Aviation is; (b) they have no undestanding of what IFR (and
VFR and IMC and VMC) mean; both points which they could have clarified
by spending two minutes on Internet and/or talking to some pilots (and/or
association of same such as AOPA); These two points alone discredite the
whole argument.

--Sylvain

Jim Logajan
April 14th 07, 02:05 AM
For what it is worth, my feedback on your proposed response:

Larry Dighera > wrote:
> For pilots without instrument training, flying from visual flight
> rules into instrument meteorological conditions is a perilous
> scenario.
>
> [There are a miniscule number of airmen who hold FAA certificates,
> that have not received any instrument training; instrument training is
> not required to obtain a Glider certificate. The phrase the
> researchers probably meant to use was 'instrument rating' not
> 'instrument training.'
>
> Regardless, it is true that the average life expectancy of a pilot who
> is not instrument rated and qualified (recent experience) is a bit
> over a minute when unintentionally finding himself in a cloud that
> totally obscures his outside reference.]

I think a more appropriate rebuttal here is that other sources, such as
the annual Nall Report, find that in 2005 weather related accidents
accounted for only about 11% of all fatal GA accidents. By comparison,
Nall claims 27% of fatal GA accidents in 2005 are due to pilot control
errors during what it calls "maneuvering flight." Therefore the emphasis
on VFR into VMC and lack of mention of "maneuvering flight" by the
researchers as a causal factor is an improper inversion of priorities.

> In 1990, the FAA amended regulations regarding background checks
> on pilots for alcohol-related motor vehicle convictions, requiring
> pilots to provide a written report of each alcohol-related traffic
> offense within 60 days of the conviction. Flying privileges can be
> suspended or revoked if a pilot has had 2 or more convictions for
> driving under the influence in the past 3 years. A recent cohort
> study indicated that a history of driving while intoxicated is a
> valid risk marker for general aviation pilots. After adjusting for
> age, sex, and flight experience, the study showed that a history
> of driving while intoxicated was associated with a 43% increased
> risk of aviation crash involvement.12 Following intensive research
> and interventions, the proportion of alcohol involvement in fatal
> general aviation crashes has decreased progressively from more
> than 30% in the early 1960s to about 8% today.13

I think a rebuttal may be approprihere might be:
[The 2006 Nall Report found that alcohol and drugs account for only about
1.1% of all accidents in the past few years. This is again an inversion
of causal priorities and places an improper emphasis on a minor causative
factor. Further efforts and analysis on reducing alcohol and drug related
aviation accidents is misguided effort that is better spent elsewhere.]

> [A pilot who flies without the use of shoulder restraint belts is a
> fool.
>
> It is curious that the researchers failed to mention ballistic
> parachute recovery systems like those currently mandated for the
> recently FAA certified Cirrus aircraft.]

I don't think you can properly claim the FAA mandated the Cirrus BRS.

>
> The general aviation crash fatality rate has remained at about 19%
> for the past 20 years while the overall airline crash fatality
> rate has declined from 16% from 1986 through 1995 to 6% from 1996
> through 2005.4,24
>
> [Due to the reduction in airline operations due to the September 11,
> 2001 terrorist attacks, increased airport security, and general
> decline in airline ticket sales, that statistic may be misleading.]

Their statistics look okay to me, though I'm not sure where they get the
6%. From their two NTSB references, out of 34 accidents listed for CFR
121 carriers, 3 had fatalities (~9%) and out of 1669 GA accidents, 321
had fatalities (~19%). Averaging over the last several N years may yield
~6%. Maybe they did that.

> The higher fatality rate for general aviation crashes may be
> because such aircraft are not as able to withstand impact forces
> and protect occupants from death and severe injury as commercial
> aircraft are.
>
> [A more robust airframe requires increased weight. There is a
> tradeoff of safety for performance.]

Another objection would be that the difference in rates may be due to the
nature of the accidents the two classes of flights encounter. Having two
experienced pilots on board would almost certainly skew where and when
accidents take place such that the impacts on the airframes are not
comparable.

>
> In recent decades, while major airlines have improved seat
> strength, revised exit row configurations, and used more fire
> retardant materials, few improvements have been made in general
> aviation aircraft, in part, because federal regulations only
> require safety improvements for entirely new aircraft models. A
> corresponding policy for automobiles would have meant that
> Volkswagen Beetles could have been sold without seatbelts for
> decades after federal regulation required them in all new cars.
>
> [The Volkswagen analogy is flawed. The ubiquitous Cessna 172 aircraft
> have had should restraints for decades despite their first being FAA
> certified in the 1950s.]

Typo: "shoulder restraints" not "should restraints".

> To improve the safety of general aviation, interventions are
> needed to improve fuel system integrity and restraint systems,
> enhance general crashworthiness of small aircraft,
>
> Those are only viable measures if their added weight and cost do not
> so negatively impact aircraft performance and affordability so as to
> render General Aviation operations impractical.]

Furthermore, restraints systems in many small aircraft are already
superior to those found on airlines.

Larry Dighera
April 14th 07, 02:37 AM
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 01:14:57 +0200, Mxsmanic >
wrote in >:

>Do you have a source for the report itself?


On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:09:27 -0500, "Dan Luke"
> wrote in
>:

>Wait 'til Scary Mary gets on TV with this:
>
>http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N10403256.htm
>

Larry Dighera
April 14th 07, 02:40 AM
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:11:41 -0700, Sylvain > wrote in
>:

>Jim Logajan wrote:
>
>> will read it to its end) I think you'll need to focus in on the one or two
>> aspect of their article you think are most in need of rebuttal and discard
>> the other criticisms.
>
>As much as I appreciate the effort made by Larry, I'll have to agree; two
>points that could be worth focusing on is that (a) they do not understand
>what General Aviation is; (b) they have no undestanding of what IFR (and
>VFR and IMC and VMC) mean; both points which they could have clarified
>by spending two minutes on Internet and/or talking to some pilots (and/or
>association of same such as AOPA); These two points alone discredite the
>whole argument.
>

Agreed. But it's worse than that. One of the Johns Hopkins
University researchers who authored the report has apparently authored
several other aviation oriented reports that are mentioned in the
bibliography! It makes you wonder what those reports are like.

Mxsmanic
April 14th 07, 02:43 AM
Larry Dighera writes:

> On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 01:14:57 +0200, Mxsmanic >
> wrote in >:
>
> >Do you have a source for the report itself?
>
>
> On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:09:27 -0500, "Dan Luke"
> > wrote in
> >:
>
> >Wait 'til Scary Mary gets on TV with this:
> >
> >http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N10403256.htm
> >

That's just a review of the report, not the report itself.

I don't much like what I read even in the review, but I'd still like to see
the report. Apparently you must be a JAMA member to see it, which is a bit
odd, since it was apparently produced with public funds.

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K Baum
April 14th 07, 03:38 AM
Larry,
not exactly sure what you are trying to say here, but if you are going
to rebut this article you should have some references. Your opinion is
nice, but facts would be better. For example you state that the author
implies that GA is more inherently dangerous than the airlines. This
is actually true and the statistics bear this out. Another example is
where you state that the reason for more GA crashes as opossed to the
airlines is because there is more GA planes. This doesnt take into
account the fact that airliners fly more. There are nearly 26000
airline flights a day (This is actually up from 9/11 by a couple
grand), how many GA operations are there? Does the typical GA plane
spend over 300 hours a month in the air? I dont want to beleger this
and I hope you get the idea.
There is no doubt that this report contains some errors, but I would
sugest that you rebut the report on the basis of survivability of GA
crashes and not the comparison of ailines and GA fatality rates. Good
luck and let us know what you come up with.

Sylvain
April 14th 07, 04:03 AM
Larry Dighera wrote:

> Agreed. But it's worse than that. One of the Johns Hopkins
> University researchers who authored the report has apparently authored
> several other aviation oriented reports that are mentioned in the
> bibliography! It makes you wonder what those reports are like.

write/email the author and ask for copies; academics are
vain enough that they'll bend over backward to satisfy someone
who admits having read their papers :-) THEN, send them the
critique :-)

--Sylvain

Andrew Sarangan
April 14th 07, 04:25 AM
Are these aeromedical people at John Hopkins? I fail to see the
connection between a medical school and aviation safety.

Mxsmanic
April 14th 07, 06:16 AM
Andrew Sarangan writes:

> Are these aeromedical people at John Hopkins? I fail to see the
> connection between a medical school and aviation safety.

Aviation medicine.

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Larry Dighera
April 14th 07, 10:49 AM
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 20:03:07 -0700, Sylvain > wrote in
>:

>Larry Dighera wrote:
>
>> Agreed. But it's worse than that. One of the Johns Hopkins
>> University researchers who authored the report has apparently authored
>> several other aviation oriented reports that are mentioned in the
>> bibliography! It makes you wonder what those reports are like.
>
>write/email the author and ask for copies; academics are
>vain enough that they'll bend over backward to satisfy someone
>who admits having read their papers :-) THEN, send them the
>critique :-)
>
>--Sylvain


Great suggestion!

What would it take to get you to shoulder that task?

Larry Dighera
April 14th 07, 10:58 AM
On 13 Apr 2007 19:38:25 -0700, "K Baum" > wrote in
. com>:

>Larry,
>not exactly sure what you are trying to say here, but if you are going
>to rebut this article you should have some references. Your opinion is
>nice, but facts would be better.

Thank you for the suggestion. I'll see what sort of supporting
citations I can find.

>For example you state that the author
>implies that GA is more inherently dangerous than the airlines. This
>is actually true and the statistics bear this out.

I don't refute that contention.

I just don't believe the comparison of fatality rates between
different types of aircraft operation is useful or valid. Consider
the hazards involved in crop=dusting vs airline transport operations.
If you strengthen the airframe, and develop fuel bladders capable of
withstanding impact into a granite mountain face until you can only
fill the hopper half full and still be within the weight and balance
envelope, the fatality rate will always remain higher for duster
operations than for airline transport operations.

>Another example is
>where you state that the reason for more GA crashes as opossed to the
>airlines is because there is more GA planes. This doesnt take into
>account the fact that airliners fly more.

Huh? More? More hours? More miles? More passenger miles?

>There are nearly 26000
>airline flights a day (This is actually up from 9/11 by a couple
>grand), how many GA operations are there? Does the typical GA plane
>spend over 300 hours a month in the air? I dont want to beleger this
>and I hope you get the idea.

You seem to be overlooking the fact that there are over ten times as
many GA aircraft as airliners:

>There is no doubt that this report contains some errors, but I would
>sugest that you rebut the report on the basis of survivability of GA
>crashes and not the comparison of ailines and GA fatality rates.

And I would prefer the Johns Hopkins University researchers not
publicly make invalid and misleading comparisons also.

Thanks for the suggestion. I'll try to incorporate more of that into
my rhetoric.

>Good luck and let us know what you come up with.
..
Thank you for your input. I know I have a narrow point of view just
as the researchers do. It's good to see others reactions.

Bob Noel
April 14th 07, 11:05 AM
In article >,
Larry Dighera > wrote:

> Below is a first draft of my critique of this report. Any
> suggestions, error corrections, or other critique is welcome.

Discussion of these two points might allow for a more succint
reply than a point-by-point discussion of the numerous flaws
in the "research"

It is interesting to note that the very type of pilot and flying these
"researchers" are "studying" has been promoted by the FAA and
industry. Specifically, the Recreational Pilot.

Another problem with this "research" is that it doesn't address
what would be an acceptable level of risk. It paints GA as unsafe
because it's not as safe as airline flying, which is basically one
of the safest modes of transportation. What IS safe enough?

--
Bob Noel
(goodness, please trim replies!!!)

Larry Dighera
April 14th 07, 11:15 AM
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 23:09:26 -0000, Jim Logajan >
wrote in >:

>Larry Dighera > wrote:
>> Well, after I refine it, with the assistance of the knowledgeable
>> readership of this newsgroup, I will submit it to the authors, JAMA,
>> AOPA, and AvWeb.
>
>If JAMA publishes it, expect it to be cut down.

I thought about that too. Perhaps a brief summary of my analysis of
the JHU report, supported by the in-line critique, might overcome that
issue.

>It probably needs to be
>reformatted since I'm not sure the Usenet style of quoting the text being
>commented on is acceptable.

It's a clumsy mechanism, but I was unable to think of a better format.
A brief summary might overcome that objection. Have you a better
idea?

>A journal is going to alot you only so much
>space, and you want it all to be used to make _your_ points. I'd therefore
>suggest a rewrite so that it doesn't need to quote the original.
>

Good point. I'll see what I can do.

>> Do you see any glaring errors?
>
>I'd need some time to review it. It's too long, I think, to send to JAMA.
>Sure, there are lots of nits to pick, but unlike Usenet (where you don't
>have to be brief - though the longer a post is, the less likely people will
>read it to its end) I think you'll need to focus in on the one or two
>aspect of their article you think are most in need of rebuttal and discard
>the other criticisms.
>

I agree. The in-line critique format that I have initially used is
useful to me to call attention to almost all the issues I have with
the JHU report. It makes a good foundation upon which to compose a
summary of items with which I take issue.

>All in my humble opinion!

Very much appreciated with sincere gratitude.

Larry Dighera
April 14th 07, 11:40 AM
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 15:22:56 -0700, C J Campbell
> wrote in
<2007041315225616807-christophercampbell@hotmailcom>:

>On 2007-04-13 14:36:11 -0700, Larry Dighera > said:
>
>A fine, well thought out article, Larry.

That is indeed a complement coming from "The World's Greatest Flight
Instructor." :-) Thanks.

>However, I maintain (and always have) that we do not have an image problem.

When the main stream news media, like Time magazine, prints a
full-page promotional advertisement showing small aircraft juxtaposed
against nuclear generating plant condensation towers with the caption,
"Remember when only environmentalists would have been alarmed by this
photograph?", GA has an obvious image problem. GA is being used by
the news media as a scapegoat to capture readers/viewers through
sensational yellow journalism. The lay public is exposed to such
slurs continually, and their attitude toward GA is made unnecessarily
fearful and resentful as a result.

It's time GA realized it is being targeted unfairly in the news media,
and hold them accountable for their libelous marketing ploy. What's
it going to take to rouse the ire of GA stakeholders?

>We have a safety
>problem. We always have had a safety problem. If we can clean up the
>safety problem the image problem will go away.

I disagree with your conclusion.

Aviation is dangerous. There is no question of that. And it's more
dangerous the closer to the ground you fly, and in the more weather
you traverse, and the closer to the boundaries of the aircraft's
flight performance envelope you operate. Those, and many of the other
causes of fatal accidents mentioned in the JAMA article, contribute to
GA's rather consistent fatality rate over the decades.

The reason for the consistency is, because until now, the government
has recognized the citizens' right to aerial navigation, and has not
attempted to encroach on it. That may be changing.

Now that the airline transport manufacturers have realized that there
is finite capacity for air traffic within the NAS, they are
aggressively looking for ways to manage the entire aviation circus
from construction and maintenance of the vehicles, to control and
ultimately, regulation of airspace and aircraft certification. It's
time we started asking, "What is a reasonable limit for air traffic
density over the CONUS?" Otherwise, GA will be crowded out of the
skies by airline traffic as aircraft manufacturers have to put their
products someplace.

So the GA fatality rate is largely a result of the kinds of flying
that GA does. With a few exceptions, the logical way to reduce the
"public safety concern" is to restrict some of the more hazardous (non
airline) aircraft operations. Consider this bit of "information":

Besides being a public safety concern, general aviation intersects
with medicine directly in at least 2 ways. First, transporting
patients from crash sites and between medical facilities is more
hazardous than generally recognized, and EMS flight crew members
have an occupational injury death rate that is 15 times the
average for all occupations.20 Despite 1 EMS helicopter in 3 being
likely to crash during a life span of 15 years, few EMS
helicopters have crash-resistant fuel systems.20 Second, physician
pilots crash at a higher rate per flight hour than other pilots.25
It is possible that physicians are more likely than other pilots
to buy high-performance aircraft that require more time for
mastery than their schedules may allow. In addition, physicians
may take risks (eg, fly when fatigued or in bad weather) in order
to meet the demands of a busy medical practice. From 1986 through
2005, a total of 816 physician and dentist pilots were involved in
general aviation crashes; of them, 270 (33%) were fatally injured.
Physician and dentist pilots accounted for 1.6% of all general
aviation crashes and 3.0% of pilot fatalities (Carol Floyd, BS,
National Transportation Safety Board, written communication,
February 2, 2007).

GA is a public safety concern only to those who exercise their right
to risk their personal wellbeing of their own free volition, much as
today's volunteer soldier does. If the good doctor is able to suggest
_viable_ solutions to the fatal accident causes he cites, I fully
support and applaud his contribution. But I am skeptical. It would
seem, that if no further safety enhancements have been
discovered/implemented to reduce the GA fatality rate in decades, it
is unlikely that they can be found and implemented.

Larry Dighera
April 14th 07, 11:54 AM
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 06:05:55 -0400, Bob Noel
> wrote in
>:

>In article >,
> Larry Dighera > wrote:
>
>> Below is a first draft of my critique of this report. Any
>> suggestions, error corrections, or other critique is welcome.
>
>Discussion of these two points might allow for a more succint
>reply than a point-by-point discussion of the numerous flaws
>in the "research"
>
>It is interesting to note that the very type of pilot and flying these
>"researchers" are "studying" has been promoted by the FAA and
>industry. Specifically, the Recreational Pilot.

True, but not to negate your valid point, I can see the JHU
researchers dismissing the FAA's GA promotional efforts as unwarranted
and inappropriate.

It seems to me, that the impetus for JHU researchers report was a
medically oriented concern for the safety of medical personnel who
through necessity or choice participate in GA operations.

>Another problem with this "research" is that it doesn't address
>what would be an acceptable level of risk. It paints GA as unsafe
>because it's not as safe as airline flying, which is basically one
>of the safest modes of transportation. What IS safe enough?

This is a vary valid point. I will incorporate it into my work.

Thank you for your insight and help? Please feel free to comment on
anything else you think might be useful.

Viperdoc[_4_]
April 14th 07, 12:00 PM
" Apparently you must be a JAMA member to see it, which is a bit
odd, since it was apparently produced with public funds."

JAMA is a journal, you moron. The organization is the American Medical
association.

Mxsmanic
April 14th 07, 01:04 PM
Viperdoc writes:

> JAMA is a journal, you moron. The organization is the American Medical
> association.

I'm aware of that. But the report itself was funded by grants from government
agencies, from what I understand. Therefore I don't see why it isn't
distributed freely.

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swag
April 14th 07, 01:49 PM
On Apr 14, 6:00 am, "Viperdoc" > wrote:
> " Apparently you must be a JAMA member to see it, which is a bit
> odd, since it was apparently produced with public funds."
>
> JAMA is a journal, you moron. The organization is the American Medical
> association.

One of your early teachers must have taught you the fine art of using
invectives to make your statements stronger and diminish your
opponents. We all owe her an eternal debt of gratitude.

Neil Gould
April 14th 07, 02:34 PM
Recently, Larry Dighera > posted:

> Below is a first draft of my critique of this report. Any
> suggestions, error corrections, or other critique is welcome.
> =====================================
>
While I understand the importance of a response to this kind of article, I
think that it can be attacked on a more basic level. In my opinion, it is
flawed in its purpose, as it poses a problem that is miniscule in
comparison to other activities of the general public. For example, an
annual average of 583 fatalities in GA doesn't approach the weekly
fatalities for driving an automobile. If reducing accidental death is the
issue that makes this study important, it is a total waste of resources to
focus on GA.

To address your response, I would suggest that your language in places
consitutes the kind of emotional response that you criticize in the
report. For example:

> Crash Rates
> Civilian aviation generally can be divided into 2 groups:
> commercial and noncommercial flights.2 Commercial flights
> transport individuals and goods to generate revenue; they include
> operations of major airlines, commuter air carriers, and air
> taxis. Noncommercial flights, usually called general aviation,
> encompass a wide array of activities-emergency medical services
> (EMS), sightseeing, flight training, traffic reporting, aerial
> surveys, search and rescue, crop dusting, firefighting, logging,
> recreation, and personal or business use. General aviation
> aircraft range from small private airplanes and business jets to
> helicopters, hot-air balloons, and gliders.
>
> [This paragraph reveals the researchers' lack of understanding of the
> definition of General Aviation. Air Taxi, pipe-line and power-line
> patrol, crop dusting, and air charter flights all generate revenue,
> are piloted by airmen holding FAA Commercial or Airline Transport
> Pilot certificates, and they are all General Aviation operations. In
> fact, other than military aviation operations and airline (Code of
> Federal Regulations Title 14 Part 121) operations, all aviation
> operations are classified under the General Aviation designation. To
> assert that medical rescue helicopter ambulance services, flight
> training, traffic reporting, aerial surveys, and crop dusting are
> noncommercial is ridiculous.]
>
Perhaps it would be better to leave off the last sentence, thus the
paragraph would more strongly support your opening contention that the
researchers lack an understanding of the definition of GA.

I also don't understand why you would want to contribute to the misguided
effort of this report by rationalizing the comparison between GA and
commercial activities. It is probably true that any comparison between
general public activities and commercial activities would show similar
results. I would expect that there are fewer annual fatalities from riding
buses than from driving cars, fewer deaths in chauferred limosines, fewer
commercial truck fatalities than personal truck fatalities, fewer
motorcycle racing deaths than personal motocycle deaths, fewer Navy Seal
deaths than recreational SCUBA deaths, etc. In short, the report's
conclusion is a no-brainer that didn't deserve the expenditure of public
monies, and doesn't enlighten the reader in any meaningful way. It is
purely alarmist, and IMO should be exposed as such.

I suspect that the underlying issue is that bad decision making is
dangerous, regardless of the activity. IMO, shifting the focus from bad
decision making to mechanical or structural concerns misses the point.
And, again, let's not lose sight of the maginitude of this problem; 583
annual deaths is likely less than deaths from any other activity of the
general public. If the purpose is to save lives, GA should be pretty far
down the list of priorities.

Regards,

Neil

Andrew Sarangan
April 14th 07, 06:28 PM
On Apr 14, 1:16 am, Mxsmanic > wrote:
> Andrew Sarangan writes:
> > Are these aeromedical people at John Hopkins? I fail to see the
> > connection between a medical school and aviation safety.
>
> Aviation medicine.
>

Well in that case their expertise should be in physiological aspects
of aviation. How did they get into the operational aspects?

Jim Logajan
April 14th 07, 06:33 PM
Larry Dighera > wrote:
> Jim Logajan > wrote:
>>It probably needs to be
>>reformatted since I'm not sure the Usenet style of quoting the text
>>being commented on is acceptable.
>
> It's a clumsy mechanism, but I was unable to think of a better format.
> A brief summary might overcome that objection. Have you a better
> idea?

I was taught that in traditional prose one should summarize or otherwise
succinctly rephrase the main points that one is addressing. Or, where
context is understood by all readers, there is little need to reference the
original material. (Usenet and e-mail clients provide the wonderful tool of
easily allowing one to quote the material being addressed to provide the
context.) Otherwise I have no better idea.

Mxsmanic
April 14th 07, 06:56 PM
Andrew Sarangan writes:

> Well in that case their expertise should be in physiological aspects
> of aviation. How did they get into the operational aspects?

I don't know. At least one of them is a pilot (Baker, I think), but that's
all I know.

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Sylvain
April 14th 07, 10:29 PM
Larry Dighera wrote:

> What would it take to get you to shoulder that task?

....for me to finish my taxes and complete some stuff for work with
an April 16th deadline; then, I'll go through the thread and find the
references/email addresses, and find the references of the papers
in question.

--Sylvain

Peter Dohm
April 15th 07, 12:06 AM
"swag" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> On Apr 14, 6:00 am, "Viperdoc" > wrote:
> > " Apparently you must be a JAMA member to see it, which is a bit
> > odd, since it was apparently produced with public funds."
> >
> > JAMA is a journal, you moron. The organization is the American Medical
> > association.
>
> One of your early teachers must have taught you the fine art of using
> invectives to make your statements stronger and diminish your
> opponents. We all owe her an eternal debt of gratitude.
>
You must be new here.

Peter Dohm
April 15th 07, 12:11 AM
"Bob Noel" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> Larry Dighera > wrote:
>
> > Below is a first draft of my critique of this report. Any
> > suggestions, error corrections, or other critique is welcome.
>
> Discussion of these two points might allow for a more succint
> reply than a point-by-point discussion of the numerous flaws
> in the "research"
>
> It is interesting to note that the very type of pilot and flying these
> "researchers" are "studying" has been promoted by the FAA and
> industry. Specifically, the Recreational Pilot.
>
> Another problem with this "research" is that it doesn't address
> what would be an acceptable level of risk. It paints GA as unsafe
> because it's not as safe as airline flying, which is basically one
> of the safest modes of transportation. What IS safe enough?
>
> --
> Bob Noel
> (goodness, please trim replies!!!)
>
I have nothing to back this up, but I fail to see any special virtue in a
succinct reply; unless the objective is to have a "Letter To the Editor"
printed, and I doubt that is available.

Peter

Blueskies
April 15th 07, 02:16 PM
:
: GA is a public safety concern only to those who exercise their right
: to risk their personal wellbeing of their own free volition, much as
: today's volunteer soldier does. If the good doctor is able to suggest
: _viable_ solutions to the fatal accident causes he cites, I fully
: support and applaud his contribution. But I am skeptical. It would
: seem, that if no further safety enhancements have been
: discovered/implemented to reduce the GA fatality rate in decades, it
: is unlikely that they can be found and implemented.
:

I just went through the FITS program intro yesterday (http://www.faa.gov/education_research/training/fits/). It
describes a scenario based flight instruction syllabus as opposed to a maneuver based syllabus. Most accidents in
aviation, especially GA, are the result of pilot error. This FITS approach attempts to modify decision making to steer
the pilot towards a less risky outcome. It was a good program, but the data are tentative,,,

Larry Dighera
April 16th 07, 06:21 PM
On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 09:16:00 -0400, "Blueskies"
> wrote in
>:

>
>I just went through the FITS program intro yesterday (http://www.faa.gov/education_research/training/fits/). It
>describes a scenario based flight instruction syllabus as opposed to a maneuver based syllabus.

FAA-Industry Training Standards (FITS)
All FITS products are non-regulatory and incentive driven. FITS is
focused on the redesign of general aviation training. Instead of
training pilots to pass practical test, FITS focuses on expertly
manage real-world challenges. Scenario based training is used to
enhance the GA pilots’ aeronautical decision making, risk
management, and single pilot resource management skills. We do
this without compromising basic stick and rudder skills.


Presenting maneuvers in context sounds like a step in the right
direction. I've often thought, that there needs to be more emphasis
on the pilot's role in various situations, particularly with regard to
social pressure's influence on the PIC's decision making process.

>Most accidents in aviation, especially GA, are the result of pilot error.
>This FITS approach attempts to modify decision making to steer
>the pilot towards a less risky outcome. It was a good program, but the data are tentative,,,
>

It's always good to see improvement of age-old techniques.

Thanks for the information. I'll work it into my critique.

Larry Dighera
April 16th 07, 06:23 PM
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 14:29:16 -0700, Sylvain > wrote in
>:

>Larry Dighera wrote:
>
>> What would it take to get you to shoulder that task?
>
>...for me to finish my taxes and complete some stuff for work with
>an April 16th deadline; then, I'll go through the thread and find the
>references/email addresses, and find the references of the papers
>in question.
>
>--Sylvain

Many thanks.

Here are the JHU researchers' e-mail addresses:

Guohua Li, MD, DrPH:
Susan P. Baker, MPH:

Larry Dighera
April 16th 07, 06:35 PM
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 08:34:59 -0500, "Neil Gould"
> wrote in
>:

>Recently, Larry Dighera > posted:
>
>> Below is a first draft of my critique of this report. Any
>> suggestions, error corrections, or other critique is welcome.
>> =====================================
>>
>While I understand the importance of a response to this kind of article, I
>think that it can be attacked on a more basic level. In my opinion, it is
>flawed in its purpose, as it poses a problem that is miniscule in
>comparison to other activities of the general public. For example, an
>annual average of 583 fatalities in GA doesn't approach the weekly
>fatalities for driving an automobile. If reducing accidental death is the
>issue that makes this study important, it is a total waste of resources to
>focus on GA.

That seems a valid point to me. Many thanks for your input.

>To address your response, I would suggest that your language in places
>consitutes the kind of emotional response that you criticize in the
>report. For example:
>
>> Crash Rates
>> Civilian aviation generally can be divided into 2 groups:
>> commercial and noncommercial flights.2 Commercial flights
>> transport individuals and goods to generate revenue; they include
>> operations of major airlines, commuter air carriers, and air
>> taxis. Noncommercial flights, usually called general aviation,
>> encompass a wide array of activities-emergency medical services
>> (EMS), sightseeing, flight training, traffic reporting, aerial
>> surveys, search and rescue, crop dusting, firefighting, logging,
>> recreation, and personal or business use. General aviation
>> aircraft range from small private airplanes and business jets to
>> helicopters, hot-air balloons, and gliders.
>>
>> [This paragraph reveals the researchers' lack of understanding of the
>> definition of General Aviation. Air Taxi, pipe-line and power-line
>> patrol, crop dusting, and air charter flights all generate revenue,
>> are piloted by airmen holding FAA Commercial or Airline Transport
>> Pilot certificates, and they are all General Aviation operations. In
>> fact, other than military aviation operations and airline (Code of
>> Federal Regulations Title 14 Part 121) operations, all aviation
>> operations are classified under the General Aviation designation. To
>> assert that medical rescue helicopter ambulance services, flight
>> training, traffic reporting, aerial surveys, and crop dusting are
>> noncommercial is ridiculous.]
>>
>Perhaps it would be better to leave off the last sentence, thus the
>paragraph would more strongly support your opening contention that the
>researchers lack an understanding of the definition of GA.

I fail to discern the emotional aspect of my response that you cite.
Vehement perhaps, but factual none the less.

>I also don't understand why you would want to contribute to the misguided
>effort of this report by rationalizing the comparison between GA and
>commercial activities.

I don't think I've done that. In the portions of my rebuttal you have
cited above, I've attempted to show that the JHU authors words reveal
their misunderstanding of the term General Aviation.

>It is probably true that any comparison between
>general public activities and commercial activities would show similar
>results. I would expect that there are fewer annual fatalities from riding
>buses than from driving cars, fewer deaths in chauferred limosines, fewer
>commercial truck fatalities than personal truck fatalities, fewer
>motorcycle racing deaths than personal motocycle deaths, fewer Navy Seal
>deaths than recreational SCUBA deaths, etc. In short, the report's
>conclusion is a no-brainer that didn't deserve the expenditure of public
>monies, and doesn't enlighten the reader in any meaningful way. It is
>purely alarmist, and IMO should be exposed as such.

As you stated in the opening of your follow up article, it's flawed in
its purpose due to it's concern with a low priority issue by
comparison to activities with higher fatality rates.

>I suspect that the underlying issue is that bad decision making is
>dangerous, regardless of the activity. IMO, shifting the focus from bad
>decision making to mechanical or structural concerns misses the point.
>And, again, let's not lose sight of the maginitude of this problem; 583
>annual deaths is likely less than deaths from any other activity of the
>general public. If the purpose is to save lives, GA should be pretty far
>down the list of priorities.
>

Agreed. Thank you for your input.

Larry Dighera
April 16th 07, 06:43 PM
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 01:05:35 -0000, Jim Logajan >
wrote in >:

>For what it is worth, my feedback on your proposed response:
>
>Larry Dighera > wrote:
>> For pilots without instrument training, flying from visual flight
>> rules into instrument meteorological conditions is a perilous
>> scenario.
>>
>> [There are a miniscule number of airmen who hold FAA certificates,
>> that have not received any instrument training; instrument training is
>> not required to obtain a Glider certificate. The phrase the
>> researchers probably meant to use was 'instrument rating' not
>> 'instrument training.'
>>
>> Regardless, it is true that the average life expectancy of a pilot who
>> is not instrument rated and qualified (recent experience) is a bit
>> over a minute when unintentionally finding himself in a cloud that
>> totally obscures his outside reference.]
>
>I think a more appropriate rebuttal here is that other sources, such as
>the annual Nall Report, find that in 2005 weather related accidents
>accounted for only about 11% of all fatal GA accidents. By comparison,
>Nall claims 27% of fatal GA accidents in 2005 are due to pilot control
>errors during what it calls "maneuvering flight." Therefore the emphasis
>on VFR into VMC and lack of mention of "maneuvering flight" by the
>researchers as a causal factor is an improper inversion of priorities.

Thank you for your insight and the source reference. I'll add your
point to my critique.

What is your feeling about my disclosing the hazard statistic for VFR
into IMC for un-rated/not-current pilots?

>
>> In 1990, the FAA amended regulations regarding background checks
>> on pilots for alcohol-related motor vehicle convictions, requiring
>> pilots to provide a written report of each alcohol-related traffic
>> offense within 60 days of the conviction. Flying privileges can be
>> suspended or revoked if a pilot has had 2 or more convictions for
>> driving under the influence in the past 3 years. A recent cohort
>> study indicated that a history of driving while intoxicated is a
>> valid risk marker for general aviation pilots. After adjusting for
>> age, sex, and flight experience, the study showed that a history
>> of driving while intoxicated was associated with a 43% increased
>> risk of aviation crash involvement.12 Following intensive research
>> and interventions, the proportion of alcohol involvement in fatal
>> general aviation crashes has decreased progressively from more
>> than 30% in the early 1960s to about 8% today.13
>
>I think a rebuttal may be approprihere might be:
>[The 2006 Nall Report found that alcohol and drugs account for only about
>1.1% of all accidents in the past few years. This is again an inversion
>of causal priorities and places an improper emphasis on a minor causative
>factor. Further efforts and analysis on reducing alcohol and drug related
>aviation accidents is misguided effort that is better spent elsewhere.]
>

Another good point. Thank you.

>> [A pilot who flies without the use of shoulder restraint belts is a
>> fool.
>>
>> It is curious that the researchers failed to mention ballistic
>> parachute recovery systems like those currently mandated for the
>> recently FAA certified Cirrus aircraft.]
>
>I don't think you can properly claim the FAA mandated the Cirrus BRS.
>

You may be correct. It is my understanding that Cirrus chose the BRS
to comply with spin recovery certification. I suppose that was
Cirrus's choice of an alternate compliance method, not an FAA mandate.
I'll try to rephrase it.

>>
>> The general aviation crash fatality rate has remained at about 19%
>> for the past 20 years while the overall airline crash fatality
>> rate has declined from 16% from 1986 through 1995 to 6% from 1996
>> through 2005.4,24
>>
>> [Due to the reduction in airline operations due to the September 11,
>> 2001 terrorist attacks, increased airport security, and general
>> decline in airline ticket sales, that statistic may be misleading.]
>
>Their statistics look okay to me, though I'm not sure where they get the
>6%. From their two NTSB references, out of 34 accidents listed for CFR
>121 carriers, 3 had fatalities (~9%) and out of 1669 GA accidents, 321
>had fatalities (~19%). Averaging over the last several N years may yield
>~6%. Maybe they did that.

The point I was attempting to make, was that during the sample period
cited airline travel was diminished by the 9/11 influence, and that as
a result, it is reasonable to expect the number of airline fatalities
to be less than it was during a period of higher airline travel rates.
Am I mission your point?

>
>> The higher fatality rate for general aviation crashes may be
>> because such aircraft are not as able to withstand impact forces
>> and protect occupants from death and severe injury as commercial
>> aircraft are.
>>
>> [A more robust airframe requires increased weight. There is a
>> tradeoff of safety for performance.]
>
>Another objection would be that the difference in rates may be due to the
>nature of the accidents the two classes of flights encounter. Having two
>experienced pilots on board would almost certainly skew where and when
>accidents take place such that the impacts on the airframes are not
>comparable.
>

True.

>>
>> In recent decades, while major airlines have improved seat
>> strength, revised exit row configurations, and used more fire
>> retardant materials, few improvements have been made in general
>> aviation aircraft, in part, because federal regulations only
>> require safety improvements for entirely new aircraft models. A
>> corresponding policy for automobiles would have meant that
>> Volkswagen Beetles could have been sold without seatbelts for
>> decades after federal regulation required them in all new cars.
>>
>> [The Volkswagen analogy is flawed. The ubiquitous Cessna 172 aircraft
>> have had should restraints for decades despite their first being FAA
>> certified in the 1950s.]
>
>Typo: "shoulder restraints" not "should restraints".
>

Thank you. I'm sure there are others too.

>> To improve the safety of general aviation, interventions are
>> needed to improve fuel system integrity and restraint systems,
>> enhance general crashworthiness of small aircraft,
>>
>> Those are only viable measures if their added weight and cost do not
>> so negatively impact aircraft performance and affordability so as to
>> render General Aviation operations impractical.]
>
>Furthermore, restraints systems in many small aircraft are already
>superior to those found on airlines.

Ummm. I don't recall seeing any shoulder restraints on airline
seating.

Thank you for your input. It really helps to have other points of
view.

Neil Gould
April 16th 07, 08:34 PM
Recently, Larry Dighera > asked:
>
> What is your feeling about my disclosing the hazard statistic for VFR
> into IMC for un-rated/not-current pilots?
>
As a response to the JAMA article, I would think it is of limited value.
As mentioned in my other reply, the underlying issue is bad decision
making. Truly accidental VFR into IMC should be a rarity, and there few
valid excuses for continuing into IMC while under VFR (I can't think of
one, but allowing for the possibility that someone else can).

If one sets out in weather that is so marginal, good decision making would
dictate having an "out" should the weather degenerate into IMC. The "out"
that VFR pilots are taught for accidental entry into IMC is the standard
180° turn to exit the IMC. Of course, that presumes that such a turn will
get you out of the IMC, which may not be the case if the IMC pops up all
around you. However, such a circumstance should be extremely rare, and the
conditions that could lead to that event is typically knowable prior to
takeoff. I'm sure you can see my bent... most of the fatal GA accidents
are the result of bad decisions, and the statistics clearly support that
notion.

Neil

C J Campbell[_1_]
April 16th 07, 11:59 PM
On 2007-04-16 10:21:19 -0700, Larry Dighera > said:

> On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 09:16:00 -0400, "Blueskies"
> > wrote in
> >:
>
>>
>> I just went through the FITS program intro yesterday
>> (http://www.faa.gov/education_research/training/fits/). It
>> describes a scenario based flight instruction syllabus as opposed to a
>> maneuver based syllabus.
>
> FAA-Industry Training Standards (FITS)
> All FITS products are non-regulatory and incentive driven. FITS is
> focused on the redesign of general aviation training. Instead of
> training pilots to pass practical test, FITS focuses on expertly
> manage real-world challenges. Scenario based training is used to
> enhance the GA pilots’ aeronautical decision making, risk
> management, and single pilot resource management skills. We do
> this without compromising basic stick and rudder skills.
>
>
> Presenting maneuvers in context sounds like a step in the right
> direction. I've often thought, that there needs to be more emphasis
> on the pilot's role in various situations, particularly with regard to
> social pressure's influence on the PIC's decision making process.
>
>> Most accidents in aviation, especially GA, are the result of pilot error.
>> This FITS approach attempts to modify decision making to steer
>> the pilot towards a less risky outcome. It was a good program, but the
>> data are tentative,,,
>>
>
> It's always good to see improvement of age-old techniques.
>
> Thanks for the information. I'll work it into my critique.

I like the FITS program. It does take more effort, but it should teach
far better decision making skills.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

Blueskies
April 17th 07, 12:26 AM
"C J Campbell" > wrote in message
news:2007041615590275249-christophercampbell@hotmailcom...
: On 2007-04-16 10:21:19 -0700, Larry Dighera > said:
:
: > On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 09:16:00 -0400, "Blueskies"
: > > wrote in
: > >:
: >
: >>
: >> I just went through the FITS program intro yesterday
: >> (http://www.faa.gov/education_research/training/fits/). It
: >> describes a scenario based flight instruction syllabus as opposed to a
: >> maneuver based syllabus.
: >
: > FAA-Industry Training Standards (FITS)
: > All FITS products are non-regulatory and incentive driven. FITS is
: > focused on the redesign of general aviation training. Instead of
: > training pilots to pass practical test, FITS focuses on expertly
: > manage real-world challenges. Scenario based training is used to
: > enhance the GA pilots' aeronautical decision making, risk
: > management, and single pilot resource management skills. We do
: > this without compromising basic stick and rudder skills.
: >
: >
: > Presenting maneuvers in context sounds like a step in the right
: > direction. I've often thought, that there needs to be more emphasis
: > on the pilot's role in various situations, particularly with regard to
: > social pressure's influence on the PIC's decision making process.
: >
: >> Most accidents in aviation, especially GA, are the result of pilot error.
: >> This FITS approach attempts to modify decision making to steer
: >> the pilot towards a less risky outcome. It was a good program, but the
: >> data are tentative,,,
: >>
: >
: > It's always good to see improvement of age-old techniques.
: >
: > Thanks for the information. I'll work it into my critique.
:
: I like the FITS program. It does take more effort, but it should teach
: far better decision making skills.
: --
: Waddling Eagle
: World Famous Flight Instructor
:

Yes, I really enjoyed the program. It put definition to what I have been doing, and in fact for higher level ratings,
the total time to certification is lower (again, small data set).

Jim Logajan
April 17th 07, 02:02 AM
Larry Dighera > wrote:
> Jim Logajan > wrote:
> What is your feeling about my disclosing the hazard statistic for VFR
> into IMC for un-rated/not-current pilots?

I concur with Neil Gould's response to your question.

>>Their statistics look okay to me, though I'm not sure where they get
>>the 6%. From their two NTSB references, out of 34 accidents listed for
>>CFR 121 carriers, 3 had fatalities (~9%) and out of 1669 GA accidents,
>>321 had fatalities (~19%). Averaging over the last several N years may
>>yield ~6%. Maybe they did that.
>
> The point I was attempting to make, was that during the sample period
> cited airline travel was diminished by the 9/11 influence, and that as
> a result, it is reasonable to expect the number of airline fatalities
> to be less than it was during a period of higher airline travel rates.
> Am I mission your point?

I think my fundamental point is that their statistics are already
normalized (that is, made insensitive to the changes in amount of traffic
post-9/11.). So your original statement "...that statistic may be
misleading," isn't necessarily accurate.

However, it occurs to me the single biggest problem with their use of the
fatality rate statistic is that the normalization factor, the count of all
_reported_ accidents, probably isn't comparable for GA and airlines. There
may be reason to suspect that the count of non-fatal GA accidents is
underreported compared to airlines.

>>Furthermore, restraints systems in many small aircraft are already
>>superior to those found on airlines.
>
> Ummm. I don't recall seeing any shoulder restraints on airline
> seating.

Me neither. If the fatality rate on airlines is lower than smaller
aircraft, and those smaller aircraft already have superior restraints, then
agitating for improvements along these lines is pretty silly of them.

Larry Dighera
April 20th 07, 04:16 PM
On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 01:02:46 -0000, Jim Logajan >
wrote in >:

>Larry Dighera > wrote:
>> Jim Logajan > wrote:
>> What is your feeling about my disclosing the hazard statistic for VFR
>> into IMC for un-rated/not-current pilots?
>
>I concur with Neil Gould's response to your question.
>
>>>Their statistics look okay to me, though I'm not sure where they get
>>>the 6%. From their two NTSB references, out of 34 accidents listed for
>>>CFR 121 carriers, 3 had fatalities (~9%) and out of 1669 GA accidents,
>>>321 had fatalities (~19%). Averaging over the last several N years may
>>>yield ~6%. Maybe they did that.
>>
>> The point I was attempting to make, was that during the sample period
>> cited airline travel was diminished by the 9/11 influence, and that as
>> a result, it is reasonable to expect the number of airline fatalities
>> to be less than it was during a period of higher airline travel rates.
>> Am I mission your point?
>
>I think my fundamental point is that their statistics are already
>normalized (that is, made insensitive to the changes in amount of traffic
>post-9/11.). So your original statement "...that statistic may be
>misleading," isn't necessarily accurate.

Okay. I'll take your word for it, and remove this criticism.

>However, it occurs to me the single biggest problem with their use of the
>fatality rate statistic is that the normalization factor, the count of all
>_reported_ accidents, probably isn't comparable for GA and airlines. There
>may be reason to suspect that the count of non-fatal GA accidents is
>underreported compared to airlines.

Agreed. But implicit in pointing this out is the apparent violation
of Title 49--Transportation, CHAPTER VIII--NATIONAL TRANSPORTATION
SAFETY BOARD, PART 830--NOTIFICATION AND REPORTING OF AIRCRAFT
ACCIDENTS OR INCIDENTS AND OVERDUE AIRCRAFT, AND PRESERVATION OF
AIRCRAFT WRECKAGE, MAIL, CARGO, AND RECORDS:
http://www.ntsb.gov/aviation/report.htm

>>>Furthermore, restraints systems in many small aircraft are already
>>>superior to those found on airlines.
>>
>> Ummm. I don't recall seeing any shoulder restraints on airline
>> seating.
>
>Me neither. If the fatality rate on airlines is lower than smaller
>aircraft, and those smaller aircraft already have superior restraints, then
>agitating for improvements along these lines is pretty silly of them.

I suspect that the cascading avalanche of occupied passenger seats
torn from their mountings at impact is likely to be the most
significant factor in injury and death in airline accidents, and
shoulder belts would be ineffective in mitigating the crushing
injuries that result. But that's a guess.

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