PDA

View Full Version : Got my fix today


Oz Lander[_2_]
April 15th 07, 01:02 PM
Had another flying lesson today. The plan was to go back out into the
training area again today. Instructor said we'd do some more forced
landing practice, some more stalls, trying to get a wing to drop, which
apparently doesn't happen real easy in the Gazelle, and we'd also do
steep descending turns. The cloud base was rolling in, so the
instructor decided we'd head out to the training area, and see if the
conditions allowed us to get high enough to do what he'd planned. Well,
at about 1400ft, someone put a white sheet over the cockpit, and we
couldn't see anything, only for a few seconds. My immediate reaction
was to look down through the window in the bottom of the door to try
and see the ground. I was quickly told that that was not the thing to
do, and to focus on my instruments if I ever found myself in cloud and
couldn't see the horizon. It was my first time actually in the white
stuff, and I have to say I didn't like it. It was very un-nerving. My
instructor said that it was perfectly healthy to not be happy in the
clouds when flying a VFR a/c.
We decided to return to the airfield, so, my instructor asked me where
the airfield was, and I correctly indicated the direction, although we
were about 7 or 8 miles out by this stage, and it was not visible. Was
also very hazy, which limited visibility a bit. I knew where the
airfield was in relation to the lakes, so I knew I was headed in the
right direction. Rather than land and drop the instructor off, so I
could finish of the last 0.3 of an our I require to satisfy my solo
time for the first part of the curriculum, we decided to stay in the
air and do some precautionary searches. I quite enjoyed it. The traffic
at our airfield was basically non-existant today, which made it perfect
for what we wanted to do.
First up, we did a circuit at 500ft, to check for no powerlines or
other obstructions in the approach to the field. We did all this using
our runway as the potential farmers field.
Then we did a circuit at 200ft, to check for large obstructions like
rocks, ditches, holes, boulders, or livestock etc.
The last pass was at 100ft, to get a good look at the actual surface we
were proposing to land on. A it was our usual runway, it was of course
suitable, so we climbed once again to 500ft, and did a tight circuit to
land. This was to be a short field landing. Instructor did the first
one. As the Gazelle does not have flaps, it's basically just a slower
approach landing. 55 over the fence instead of 60-65. We were pretty
much full to the brim with fuel, so were close to maximum weight, so we
didn't stomp on the brakes to stop, but it was clear we stopped a lot
shorter than normal. Next we taxiied around again and this next take
off was to be a short field take off, so we started from the grassy
side of the runway. (The runway is grass and gravel). Heavy on the
brakes. Ease u to full power whilst holding the brakes. Release the
brakes, and feel the full force of the 80hp Rotax in action! Ahem!
Where was I? Oh yes! Release the brakes and off we go! Full of fuel,
with 2 on board, and I guess she took off a bit sooner than usual, but
not by much! LOL! My instructor said that had I been in the a/c alone,
I would have noticed how much sooner it took off. I'll have to take his
word for it until the next lesson when I can try again.
So, apart from the really weird feeling of being basically blinded for
the first time in clouds, I felt really comfortable with my performance
today. The flight felt more comfortable today than it has the whole
time I've been learning. Don't get me wrong, I've been comfortable
flying for quite a while now, but today I felt I was able to not only
control the a/c and learn the lessons required for the day, but I was
also able to keep my concentration whilst chatting to the instructor
about things other than the lesson itself. I found myself actually
enjoying the flight itself. That's a lot of 'itselfs' there, but I
guess you know what I mean.
My instructor said he's happy for me to go solo out in the training
area now, so next lesson it'll just be a case of him handing me the
keys and saying "Go fly somewhere for an hour!" That will be good!
Total time now is 14.1hrs.


--
Oz Lander.
I'm not always right,
But I'm never wrong.

Peter R.
April 15th 07, 01:41 PM
On 4/15/2007 8:02:49 AM, "Oz Lander" wrote:

> It was my first time actually in the white
> stuff, and I have to say I didn't like it. It was very un-nerving. My
> instructor said that it was perfectly healthy to not be happy in the
> clouds when flying a VFR a/c.

A very productive and eye-opening lesson you had there. I had the mindset
during my private pilot training that inadvertently flying into a cloud would
mean instant death that carried through the first time I was taken into a
cloud during my instrument training.

Upon reflecting on that, I now believe that every student pilot should be
taken into the clouds by an instructor (on an IFR flight plan, of course) to
demonstrate what it is *really* like and the importance of immediately
switching to instruments in such a case.

Is there a similar three hour simulated instrument requirement in your
syllabus, too? Also, with winter approaching down under do you think you will
be able to finish up your training before then?

--
Peter

Oz Lander[_2_]
April 15th 07, 01:51 PM
Peter R. wrote:

> Is there a similar three hour simulated instrument requirement in your
> syllabus, too? Also, with winter approaching down under do you think
> you will be able to finish up your training before then?

No there isn't Peter. Most RAA registered a/c only have minimal
instrumentation. This particular a/c used to be GA registered, but is
now only RAA registered, so it has all the instruments from it's GA
days.

The cloud foray was only through a few bottom 'legs' if you know what I
mean. We were only 'whited out' for maybe 3 seconds or so. Long enough
to teach me I don't want to go in there again in a hurry. For all I
know, my instructor didn't stop me going through them on purpose.

I live in Melbourne, so we are known for our changeable weather. It is
said we get 4 seasons in 1 day. Quite often it's true. I only need
another 5.9 hours minimum to get my ticket, and I'm not expecting to
need much more than that. It has been said to me that you often get
more good flying days in the colder months than you do in the warmer
months here, so I'm not expecting it to be an issue. That doesn't mean
it won't be an issue though! ;-)

--
Oz Lander.
I'm not always right,
But I'm never wrong.

Larry Dighera
April 15th 07, 04:26 PM
On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 12:02:46 +0000 (UTC), "Oz Lander"
> wrote in
>:

>the
>instructor decided we'd head out to the training area, and see if the
>conditions allowed us to get high enough to do what he'd planned. Well,
>at about 1400ft, someone put a white sheet over the cockpit, and we
>couldn't see anything, only for a few seconds.

I presume your instructor did this under the authority of the
provision in the regulations that permits the PIC to deviate from the
regulations in emergency situations. :-)



§ 91.3 Responsibility and authority of the pilot in command.

(a) The pilot in command of an aircraft is directly responsible
for, and is the final authority as to, the operation of that
aircraft.

(b) In an in-flight emergency requiring immediate action, the
pilot in command may deviate from any rule of this part to the
extent required to meet that emergency.

(c) Each pilot in command who deviates from a rule under paragraph
(b) of this section shall, upon the request of the Administrator,
send a written report of that deviation to the Administrator.

Peter R.
April 15th 07, 04:55 PM
On 4/15/2007 11:26:18 AM, Larry Dighera wrote:

> § 91.3 Responsibility and authority of the pilot in command.

Chris is learning to fly in Australia. I am pretty sure US Afars do not have
authority there.


--
Peter

Peter R.
April 15th 07, 04:56 PM
On 4/15/2007 11:54:57 AM, "Peter R." wrote:

> US Afars

Man I am a spaz. Sometimes it is wise NOT to click on the CHANGE spell
checker option.

--
Peter

Peter R.
April 15th 07, 04:58 PM
On 4/15/2007 8:51:47 AM, "Oz Lander" wrote:

> I only need
> another 5.9 hours minimum to get my ticket, and I'm not expecting to
> need much more than that. It has been said to me that you often get
> more good flying days in the colder months than you do in the warmer
> months here, so I'm not expecting it to be an issue.

Wow, the the light at the end of the tunnel. Checkride soon!

--
Peter

Larry Dighera
April 15th 07, 06:45 PM
On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 11:55:00 -0400, "Peter R." >
wrote in >:

>
>Chris is learning to fly in Australia. I am pretty sure US Afars do not have
>authority there.

I'm pretty sure that US FARs conform to ICAO standards, and would
expect Australian regulations to also.

Oz Lander[_2_]
April 15th 07, 10:47 PM
Peter R. wrote:

> On 4/15/2007 8:51:47 AM, "Oz Lander" wrote:
>
> > I only need
> > another 5.9 hours minimum to get my ticket, and I'm not expecting to
> > need much more than that. It has been said to me that you often get
> > more good flying days in the colder months than you do in the warmer
> > months here, so I'm not expecting it to be an issue.
>
> Wow, the the light at the end of the tunnel. Checkride soon!

Yep! Gotta pass the BAK first though! Been years since I've had to sit
down for an exam!

--
Oz Lander.
I'm not always right,
But I'm never wrong.

Blueskies
April 16th 07, 01:38 AM
"Larry Dighera" > wrote in message ...
: On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 11:55:00 -0400, "Peter R." >
: wrote in >:
:
: >
: >Chris is learning to fly in Australia. I am pretty sure US Afars do not have
: >authority there.
:
: I'm pretty sure that US FARs conform to ICAO standards, and would
: expect Australian regulations to also.
:

Fortunately for us Americans, the FARs do not always follow ICAO 'standards.' Used to be we basically set the standards
and those were adopted worldwide, but those worldwide 'standards' have been (IMHO) unnecessarily tightened up in the
last number or years. Don't know about this particular case though...

Crash Lander[_1_]
April 16th 07, 01:46 AM
I realise (now) that the few second excursion into a cloud was against
regulations. I do however appreciate that my first incursion into a cloud
was with my suitably qualified instructor on board. I found it a necessary
and welcomed experience in my training. It taught me that I really don't
want to go into them, even for a moment.

Crash Lander
--
I'm not always right,
But I'm never wrong!
"Larry Dighera" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 11:55:00 -0400, "Peter R." >
> wrote in >:
>
>>
>>Chris is learning to fly in Australia. I am pretty sure US Afars do not
>>have
>>authority there.
>
> I'm pretty sure that US FARs conform to ICAO standards, and would
> expect Australian regulations to also.
>

Larry Dighera
April 16th 07, 03:55 AM
>"Larry Dighera" > wrote in message
...
>> On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 11:55:00 -0400, "Peter R." >
>> wrote in >:
>>
>>>
>>>Chris is learning to fly in Australia. I am pretty sure US Afars do not
>>>have
>>>authority there.
>>
>> I'm pretty sure that US FARs conform to ICAO standards, and would
>> expect Australian regulations to also.
>>
>

On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 00:46:55 GMT, "Crash Lander" >
wrote in >:

>
>I realise (now) that the few second excursion into a cloud was against
>regulations.

If you were in other than Class G airspace, there is also the issue of
providing 500' clearance below the clouds.

>I do however appreciate that my first incursion into a cloud
>was with my suitably qualified instructor on board. I found it a necessary
>and welcomed experience in my training. It taught me that I really don't
>want to go into them, even for a moment.

I won't argue with the fact that experience is knowledge.

But once one realizes that most regulations are the result of decades
of experience of airmen of the past, one begins to have a more
hallowed respect for them. We all depend on regulations, and thus
each other, to provide a modicum of flight safety.

Al Borowski
April 16th 07, 02:29 PM
>
> If you were in other than Class G airspace, there is also the issue of
> providing 500' clearance below the clouds.

Crash is flying an ultralight, which are generally restricted to class
G or E airspace (see http://www.auf.asn.au/navigation/airspace.html#ultralight).

Crash, you're not in Queensland by any chance are you?

Cheers,

Al

Oz Lander[_2_]
April 16th 07, 10:40 PM
Al Borowski wrote:

>
> >
> > If you were in other than Class G airspace, there is also the issue
> > of providing 500' clearance below the clouds.
>
> Crash is flying an ultralight, which are generally restricted to class
> G or E airspace (see
> http://www.auf.asn.au/navigation/airspace.html#ultralight).
>
> Crash, you're not in Queensland by any chance are you?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Al

No, I'm in Victoria.

--
Oz Lander.
I'm not always right,
But I'm never wrong.

Google