Shop Friday

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Gravity is silent. The stately tick-tock of the pendulum clock is the
only sound in the shop, the lathes and mills lurking beneath their
shrouds as I try to reason with Mr. Ohaus. Unlike the clock, which is
made of wood, Mr. Ohaus is a man of metal but both are powered by
gravity. A spate of rain sweeps over us, loud on the metal roof out
behind the shop and for a moment I hope it will somehow change Mr.
Ohaus' mind but he is stubbornly insistent: the connecting rod weighs
605.9 grams.

Deep sigh.

I take the rod out back where the narrow belt of the polishing sander
whisks away another film of metal, first on one side, then the other.
Then follows a careful cleaning and back to the scale: 605.7, less a
tad. I repeat the ritual as more rain blows in, a regular shower this
time. I give the belt-sander two-potatoes less than before, clean the
rod, weigh the thing: 605.5, plus a tad.

Big Smile. Because 605.5 grams is what I've been chasing for the last
half hour, hiking back & forth between the sander - - a 'dirty' tool
not allowed to associate with lathes and the like - - and the Ohaus
triple-beam balance, trapped in its varnished cedar box over in the
corner with other Precision Stuff.

A stock VW con-rod is about 5.4" c-t-c. Forged from mild steel, its
weight may range from 505 to 550 grams. They are sold in sets
graduated by weight with a 10 gram variation across the set of four.
But for a good engine you want them to all weigh the same, or close to
it. The rods I'm working on today aren't stock. They are 5.6" c-t-c,
intended for use on a crankshaft having a throw of 84mm (stock is 69).

This is the fourth set of rods I've ordered for this engine. The
first three sets had been tampered with, probably by the clerks who
shipped them, so that the weight difference across the set of four was
as much as 16 grams. Since you can only remove about seven grams from
an H-beam rod, it renders them unusable in a properly built engine.
Which gets you a massive shrug from the people selling such junk.

This particular set of rods was ordered on 15 March from a retailer
less than a hundred miles away (G.Serrano in Torrance). After several
phone calls the rods finally arrived on 20 April. Fortunately, the
set proved usable but even then, the carton had been opened and one of
the rods removed from its protective wrapping. Had the set NOT been
usable it would probably have taken another month to obtain
replacements or a refund, which will help you understand why it has
taken FIVE MONTHS and three different retailers to obtain a suitable
set of rods for this engine. In one case I was forced to pay a 're-
stocking fee' even though the parts were not to spec. Air-cooled
Volkswagens are a vanishing breed and most of the remaining retailers
simply shrug; take it or leave it, we're only here for the money.

(So what to do? Buy your parts from Steve Bennett at Great Plains
Aircraft Company. He builds his engines differently from the way I
build mine but he's an honest person and you will benefit from
obtaining everything from a single source.)

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In the mid-1950's the Ford Motor Company published (in the SAE
Journal) the results of a decade-long test comparing the wear of
engines fitted with a full-flow oil filtration system to other
maintenance strategies, including frequent oil changes, by-pass
filtering and so on. Full-flow oil filtration was the hands-down
winner, reducing some types of wear by as much as 600%. Which is why
all modern engines are equipped with full-flow oil filtration.

All of the VW engines I've built since the late 1960's have been
fitted with a full-flow oil filtration system. This is accomplished
by blocking the normal output of the oil pump and installing a new
pump cover having a threaded fitting. The full output of the pump is
plumbed to a filter canister then returned to the engine via a
threaded fitting installed in the main oil gallery.

The VW oil pump can produce up to 300psi and a basic rule of
engineering is that the first thing 'seen' by the output of such a
pump should be a pressure relief valve, so as to protect the system
from excessive pressure. The full-flow installation in the typical VW
engine violates this rule since the filter canister is the first thing
seen by the pressurized oil. Since the typical oil filter bursts at
about 100 psi, starting a VW on a cold morning can be one HELL of a
mess.

(Yeah, they make high-pressure canisters... which typically cost $10
and up, when you can find them.)

In comparison to the connecting rods, finding a suitable oil pump
cover is a slam-dunk. I called Dee Berg, widow of Gene, chatted for a
few minutes and had a pair of suitable pump covers in my hands about
eighteen hours later. (Gene Berg Enterprises is even farther from my
shop than the outfit selling the con-rods :-)

Gene made his pump covers out of high-density cast iron that wears
even better than the stock VW pump cover. He also offered a cover
fitted with a ball-type pressure relief valve (GB-239x) that pops-off
at about 90 psi that has become the standard for all serious engine
builders. It costs significantly more than the bubble-pak'd cast
aluminum crap but it's money well spent. Not only will you recover
the cost by about the fifth oil change, the cover will last in excess
of 100,000 miles if treated with WSX (ie, tungsten disulfide dry
lubricant). By comparison, even when hard anodized an aluminum cover
will wear beyond spec in about 10,000 miles and show a steady decline
in pressure thereafter.

Before using the GB-239 I take it apart, clean it good and break all
the edges with a file. The socket-head screw securing the pressure
spring goes into the jig and gets drilled for safety wire. The sharp
edges of the outlet port are polished smooth then the Blanchard-ground
surface is burnished on a surface plate using #600 W&D flooded with
WD-40. After a careful cleaning the valve is re-assembled and the
flatted surface treated with WSX (ie, a Tech-Line product).

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The rain has turned into a steady drizzle, a welcome background for
the tick-tocking clock. The day has gone gray as I lock Mr. Ohaus
into his shiny wooden box, wipe down my tools and put things away. I
stopped building engines for sale several years ago, devoting more
time to horology, itty-bitty steam engines and black-powder, which
makes it kinda hard to explain why there's so damn many engines in the
shop. Probably because it's good fun - - plus, you get to go flying
now & then.

The coffee is hot in the house and there's a screen-full of mail to be
dealt with plus a pride of indignant cats pointing out that WATER is
falling out of the SKY and wanting to know what I plan to do about
it. Guess I'd better get busy...

-R.S.Hoover

[Mark Hickey]

" > wrote:

A truly outstanding article, but I tripped over...

>Full-flow oil filtration was the hands-down
>winner, reducing some types of wear by as much as 600%.

Y'see, the way I figure it, if you reduce the normal wear by 100%,
there's no more wear at all - the engine will last virtually forever.
But when you put on such nice parts that the wear is reduced by the
astronoimcal value of 600%, I figure it's only a matter of 100 hours
or so before the engine gets so dang tight from all the accumulating
"anti-wear" metal buildup that it'll no longer turn.

OTOH, I think there may be a solution for those of us with nearly
worn-out engines here. All we gotta do is to install a full-flow oil
filtration system for long enough to restore the engine to its factory
specs, then switch it back to the way it used to be for another
500-1000 hours or so. Heck, we could fly forever without any of those
pesky overhaul worries.

;-)

Mark "kinda like perpetual motion, only more practical" Hickey

[Scott[_5_]]

On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:42:20 -0700, in rec.aviation.homebuilt, Mark Hickey
> wrote:

>OTOH, I think there may be a solution for those of us with nearly
>worn-out engines here. All we gotta do is to install a full-flow oil
>filtration system for long enough to restore the engine to its factory
>specs, then switch it back to the way it used to be for another
>500-1000 hours or so. Heck, we could fly forever without any of those
>pesky overhaul worries.

You should also install one of those inline fuel magnetizers that improves
your mileage by 110% or something. Only trouble with that is that you have
to stop every few hours to drain off the excess gasoline. :)

-Scott

[[email protected]]

On Apr 20, 5:42 pm, Mark Hickey > wrote:

> A truly outstanding article, but I tripped over...
>
> >Full-flow oil filtration was the hands-down
> >winner, reducing some types of wear by as much as 600%.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I can type over 100wpm. Oft times that's faster than I can
think :-) (I was trying to type '...as much as 60%.')

A few of the actual figures cited were 66% for wrist-pin wear, 50% for
crankshaft wear, 19% reduction of cylinder wall wear, 52% for piston
ring wear...

Some years ago I spoke with a fellow who retired from Fords that
remembered the project. He said it actually started in 1940 but was
put aside when the engineers were assigned to war-time projects. It
was taken up again following WWII but the test engines were only run
on a 9-to-5 basis, five days a week.

-R.S.Hoover

[Mark Hickey]

" > wrote:

>On Apr 20, 5:42 pm, Mark Hickey > wrote:
>
>> A truly outstanding article, but I tripped over...
>>
>> >Full-flow oil filtration was the hands-down
>> >winner, reducing some types of wear by as much as 600%.
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>I can type over 100wpm. Oft times that's faster than I can
>think :-) (I was trying to type '...as much as 60%.')
>
>A few of the actual figures cited were 66% for wrist-pin wear, 50% for
>crankshaft wear, 19% reduction of cylinder wall wear, 52% for piston
>ring wear...

Dang... guess I'll go cancel that patent application now...

Mark "I coulda been rich" Hickey

[Bill Daniels]

I've been following the development of Diamond-Like Coatings (DLC's) for a
decade of so. These are vapor deposited coatings of carbon in diamond
crystal form applied directly to engine parts. The motorcycle racers have
exploited this technology for about an 8% increase in HP through reduction
in internal friction.

The stuff works on any internal surface where friction and wear is a
problem. Lycoming cams and mushroom tappets seem like a natural aplication.
The costs have come down to where a few hundred dollars of coating work is
enough for an engine. However, I haven't heard of the technology being
applied to aviation piston engines.

Bill D


> wrote in message
ups.com...
> On Apr 20, 5:42 pm, Mark Hickey > wrote:
>
>> A truly outstanding article, but I tripped over...
>>
>> >Full-flow oil filtration was the hands-down
>> >winner, reducing some types of wear by as much as 600%.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> I can type over 100wpm. Oft times that's faster than I can
> think :-) (I was trying to type '...as much as 60%.')
>
> A few of the actual figures cited were 66% for wrist-pin wear, 50% for
> crankshaft wear, 19% reduction of cylinder wall wear, 52% for piston
> ring wear...
>
> Some years ago I spoke with a fellow who retired from Fords that
> remembered the project. He said it actually started in 1940 but was
> put aside when the engineers were assigned to war-time projects. It
> was taken up again following WWII but the test engines were only run
> on a 9-to-5 basis, five days a week.
>
> -R.S.Hoover
>

[Maxwell]

"Bill Daniels" <bildan@comcast-dot-net> wrote in message
...
> I've been following the development of Diamond-Like Coatings (DLC's) for a
> decade of so. These are vapor deposited coatings of carbon in diamond
> crystal form applied directly to engine parts. The motorcycle racers have
> exploited this technology for about an 8% increase in HP through reduction
> in internal friction.
>
> The stuff works on any internal surface where friction and wear is a
> problem. Lycoming cams and mushroom tappets seem like a natural
> aplication. The costs have come down to where a few hundred dollars of
> coating work is enough for an engine. However, I haven't heard of the
> technology being applied to aviation piston engines.
>

I have always wondered why the aviation community hasn't utilized more of
lessons learned from the racing communities. Granted, we have to deal with
certified products and procedures in most cases, and reliability should
always take a back seat to overall power output. But so much has been
learned from all forms of racing that deals strictly with reliability and
efficency, that is surprises me so little of it makes it to GA.

[Scott[_1_]]

Certified? Not in a "homebuilt" group! ;)

However, that said, I think you are right...reliability is a relatively
unknown word in racing engine circles I suspect...

I'm still waiting for the space shuttles to be reitred so I's can get
one of their engines as surplus and bolt it on my Corben :O

Scott


Maxwell wrote:
> "Bill Daniels" <bildan@comcast-dot-net> wrote in message
> ...
>
>>I've been following the development of Diamond-Like Coatings (DLC's) for a
>>decade of so. These are vapor deposited coatings of carbon in diamond
>>crystal form applied directly to engine parts. The motorcycle racers have
>>exploited this technology for about an 8% increase in HP through reduction
>>in internal friction.
>>
>>The stuff works on any internal surface where friction and wear is a
>>problem. Lycoming cams and mushroom tappets seem like a natural
>>aplication. The costs have come down to where a few hundred dollars of
>>coating work is enough for an engine. However, I haven't heard of the
>>technology being applied to aviation piston engines.
>>
>
>
> I have always wondered why the aviation community hasn't utilized more of
> lessons learned from the racing communities. Granted, we have to deal with
> certified products and procedures in most cases, and reliability should
> always take a back seat to overall power output. But so much has been
> learned from all forms of racing that deals strictly with reliability and
> efficency, that is surprises me so little of it makes it to GA.
>
>
>
>

--
Scott
http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)

[Maxwell]

"Scott" > wrote in message
.. .
> Certified? Not in a "homebuilt" group! ;)
True, but you hear little talk of non-aviation products and techniques even
in the Experimental catagory.

>
> However, that said, I think you are right...reliability is a relatively
> unknown word in racing engine circles I suspect...

Oh not at all. Any of the endurance type racing, circle track, road and
off-road racers are extremely concerned with reliability. The drag racers
are about the only ones that care little about endurance.

>
> I'm still waiting for the space shuttles to be reitred so I's can get one
> of their engines as surplus and bolt it on my Corben :O
>
> Scott
>

[Scott[_1_]]

Well, maybe reliability for one or two races might be thought about. I
guess what I was alluding to was that I wouldn't think an engine built
for racing would have a high TBO compared to our slow turning tractor
engines (Lycoming, Continental, etc.).

Scott


Maxwell wrote:
> "Scott" > wrote in message
> .. .
>
>>Certified? Not in a "homebuilt" group! ;)
>
> True, but you hear little talk of non-aviation products and techniques even
> in the Experimental catagory.
>
>
>>However, that said, I think you are right...reliability is a relatively
>>unknown word in racing engine circles I suspect...
>
>
> Oh not at all. Any of the endurance type racing, circle track, road and
> off-road racers are extremely concerned with reliability. The drag racers
> are about the only ones that care little about endurance.
>
>
>>I'm still waiting for the space shuttles to be reitred so I's can get one
>>of their engines as surplus and bolt it on my Corben :O
>>
>>Scott
>>
>
>
>
>

--
Scott
http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)

[Bill Daniels]

Oh, I dunno, you don't win races by blowing up engines - you have to finish.

Most of what goes into race prepping an engine is beefing it up so it lasts
the whole race at extreme power output. Reduce power to a more reasonable
level and a race engines will last practically forever. The current crop of
"Sport Touring" motorcycles are just that - de-tuned racers. Having one
wear out or fail in service is almost unheard of.

The same tricks used to increase reliability of a race engine can be used to
increase reliability even further in normal use. DLC's increase reliability
not power.

Bill Daniels


"Scott" > wrote in message
.. .
> Certified? Not in a "homebuilt" group! ;)
>
> However, that said, I think you are right...reliability is a relatively
> unknown word in racing engine circles I suspect...
>
> I'm still waiting for the space shuttles to be reitred so I's can get one
> of their engines as surplus and bolt it on my Corben :O
>
> Scott
>
>
> Maxwell wrote:
>> "Bill Daniels" <bildan@comcast-dot-net> wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>I've been following the development of Diamond-Like Coatings (DLC's) for
>>>a decade of so. These are vapor deposited coatings of carbon in diamond
>>>crystal form applied directly to engine parts. The motorcycle racers
>>>have exploited this technology for about an 8% increase in HP through
>>>reduction in internal friction.
>>>
>>>The stuff works on any internal surface where friction and wear is a
>>>problem. Lycoming cams and mushroom tappets seem like a natural
>>>aplication. The costs have come down to where a few hundred dollars of
>>>coating work is enough for an engine. However, I haven't heard of the
>>>technology being applied to aviation piston engines.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I have always wondered why the aviation community hasn't utilized more of
>> lessons learned from the racing communities. Granted, we have to deal
>> with certified products and procedures in most cases, and reliability
>> should always take a back seat to overall power output. But so much has
>> been learned from all forms of racing that deals strictly with
>> reliability and efficency, that is surprises me so little of it makes it
>> to GA.
>>
>>
>
> --
> Scott
> http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
> Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
> Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)

[Maxwell]

"Scott" > wrote in message
.. .
> Well, maybe reliability for one or two races might be thought about. I
> guess what I was alluding to was that I wouldn't think an engine built for
> racing would have a high TBO compared to our slow turning tractor engines
> (Lycoming, Continental, etc.).
>
> Scott
>
>

That's true with many of the high performance techniques. Mult-angle valve
jobs, high lift and overlap cams, and high compression are good examples.
But many other techniques would do just the opposite. Precision balancing,
matching rod and piston lengths and weights, equalzing combustion chambers,
tuned exhaust systems and alike, will afford better performance and a much
smoother running engine. Not to mention friction reducing coatings mentioned
above. Dry sump oil systems and modifications to improve flow in the
lubrication system would be applicable too. Most of these items are too
expensive for a routine automotive overhaul, but begin to look much more
affordable for something as important and often as expensive aviation
overhaul.

[stol]

On Apr 21, 3:20 pm, "Maxwell" > wrote:
> "Scott" > wrote in message
>
> .. .
>
> > Well, maybe reliability for one or two races might be thought about. I
> > guess what I was alluding to was that I wouldn't think an engine built for
> > racing would have a high TBO compared to our slow turning tractor engines
> > (Lycoming, Continental, etc.).
>
> > Scott
>
> That's true with many of the high performance techniques. Mult-angle valve
> jobs, high lift and overlap cams, and high compression are good examples.
> But many other techniques would do just the opposite. Precision balancing,
> matching rod and piston lengths and weights, equalzing combustion chambers,
> tuned exhaust systems and alike, will afford better performance and a much
> smoother running engine. Not to mention friction reducing coatings mentioned
> above. Dry sump oil systems and modifications to improve flow in the
> lubrication system would be applicable too. Most of these items are too
> expensive for a routine automotive overhaul, but begin to look much more
> affordable for something as important and often as expensive aviation
> overhaul.

Well thought out ideas. My experimental is running a detuned V-8 and
proving that theory daily..


Ben
www.haaspowerair.com

[jerry wass]

Bill Daniels wrote:
> Oh, I dunno, you don't win races by blowing up engines - you have to finish.
>
> Most of what goes into race prepping an engine is beefing it up so it lasts
> the whole race at extreme power output. Reduce power to a more reasonable
> level and a race engines will last practically forever. The current crop of
> "Sport Touring" motorcycles are just that - de-tuned racers. Having one
> wear out or fail in service is almost unheard of.
>
> The same tricks used to increase reliability of a race engine can be used to
> increase reliability even further in normal use. DLC's increase reliability
> not power.
>
> Bill Daniels

Hey, Wot's a DLC???(please)Jerry
>
>
> "Scott" > wrote in message
> .. .
>> Certified? Not in a "homebuilt" group! ;)
>>
>> However, that said, I think you are right...reliability is a relatively
>> unknown word in racing engine circles I suspect...
>>
>> I'm still waiting for the space shuttles to be reitred so I's can get one
>> of their engines as surplus and bolt it on my Corben :O
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
>> Maxwell wrote:
>>> "Bill Daniels" <bildan@comcast-dot-net> wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> I've been following the development of Diamond-Like Coatings (DLC's) for
>>>> a decade of so. These are vapor deposited coatings of carbon in diamond
>>>> crystal form applied directly to engine parts. The motorcycle racers
>>>> have exploited this technology for about an 8% increase in HP through
>>>> reduction in internal friction.
>>>>
>>>> The stuff works on any internal surface where friction and wear is a
>>>> problem. Lycoming cams and mushroom tappets seem like a natural
>>>> aplication. The costs have come down to where a few hundred dollars of
>>>> coating work is enough for an engine. However, I haven't heard of the
>>>> technology being applied to aviation piston engines.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I have always wondered why the aviation community hasn't utilized more of
>>> lessons learned from the racing communities. Granted, we have to deal
>>> with certified products and procedures in most cases, and reliability
>>> should always take a back seat to overall power output. But so much has
>>> been learned from all forms of racing that deals strictly with
>>> reliability and efficency, that is surprises me so little of it makes it
>>> to GA.
>>>
>>>
>> --
>> Scott
>> http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
>> Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
>> Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)
>
>

[jerry wass]

Bill Daniels wrote:
> Oh, I dunno, you don't win races by blowing up engines - you have to finish.
>
> Most of what goes into race prepping an engine is beefing it up so it lasts
> the whole race at extreme power output. Reduce power to a more reasonable
> level and a race engines will last practically forever. The current crop of
> "Sport Touring" motorcycles are just that - de-tuned racers. Having one
> wear out or fail in service is almost unheard of.
>
> The same tricks used to increase reliability of a race engine can be used to
> increase reliability even further in normal use. DLC's increase reliability
> not power. ---OK I got it Diamond like Coatings--sorry 'bout dat..Jerry
>
> Bill Daniels
>
>
> "Scott" > wrote in message
> .. .
>> Certified? Not in a "homebuilt" group! ;)
>>
>> However, that said, I think you are right...reliability is a relatively
>> unknown word in racing engine circles I suspect...
>>
>> I'm still waiting for the space shuttles to be reitred so I's can get one
>> of their engines as surplus and bolt it on my Corben :O
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
>> Maxwell wrote:
>>> "Bill Daniels" <bildan@comcast-dot-net> wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> I've been following the development of Diamond-Like Coatings (DLC's) for
>>>> a decade of so. These are vapor deposited coatings of carbon in diamond
>>>> crystal form applied directly to engine parts. The motorcycle racers
>>>> have exploited this technology for about an 8% increase in HP through
>>>> reduction in internal friction.
>>>>
>>>> The stuff works on any internal surface where friction and wear is a
>>>> problem. Lycoming cams and mushroom tappets seem like a natural
>>>> aplication. The costs have come down to where a few hundred dollars of
>>>> coating work is enough for an engine. However, I haven't heard of the
>>>> technology being applied to aviation piston engines.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I have always wondered why the aviation community hasn't utilized more of
>>> lessons learned from the racing communities. Granted, we have to deal
>>> with certified products and procedures in most cases, and reliability
>>> should always take a back seat to overall power output. But so much has
>>> been learned from all forms of racing that deals strictly with
>>> reliability and efficency, that is surprises me so little of it makes it
>>> to GA.
>>>
>>>
>> --
>> Scott
>> http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
>> Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
>> Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)
>
>

[Bill Daniels]

Read below in earlier post.

"Jerry Wass" > wrote in message
. net...
> Bill Daniels wrote:
>> Oh, I dunno, you don't win races by blowing up engines - you have to
>> finish.
>>
>> Most of what goes into race prepping an engine is beefing it up so it
>> lasts the whole race at extreme power output. Reduce power to a more
>> reasonable level and a race engines will last practically forever. The
>> current crop of "Sport Touring" motorcycles are just that - de-tuned
>> racers. Having one wear out or fail in service is almost unheard of.
>>
>> The same tricks used to increase reliability of a race engine can be used
>> to increase reliability even further in normal use. DLC's increase
>> reliability not power.
>>
>> Bill Daniels
>
> Hey, Wot's a DLC???(please)Jerry
>>
>>
>> "Scott" > wrote in message
>> .. .
>>> Certified? Not in a "homebuilt" group! ;)
>>>
>>> However, that said, I think you are right...reliability is a relatively
>>> unknown word in racing engine circles I suspect...
>>>
>>> I'm still waiting for the space shuttles to be reitred so I's can get
>>> one of their engines as surplus and bolt it on my Corben :O
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>>
>>> Maxwell wrote:
>>>> "Bill Daniels" <bildan@comcast-dot-net> wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>> I've been following the development of Diamond-Like Coatings (DLC's)
>>>>> for a decade of so. These are vapor deposited coatings of carbon in
>>>>> diamond crystal form applied directly to engine parts. The motorcycle
>>>>> racers have exploited this technology for about an 8% increase in HP
>>>>> through reduction in internal friction.
>>>>>
>>>>> The stuff works on any internal surface where friction and wear is a
>>>>> problem. Lycoming cams and mushroom tappets seem like a natural
>>>>> aplication. The costs have come down to where a few hundred dollars of
>>>>> coating work is enough for an engine. However, I haven't heard of the
>>>>> technology being applied to aviation piston engines.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have always wondered why the aviation community hasn't utilized more
>>>> of lessons learned from the racing communities. Granted, we have to
>>>> deal with certified products and procedures in most cases, and
>>>> reliability should always take a back seat to overall power output. But
>>>> so much has been learned from all forms of racing that deals strictly
>>>> with reliability and efficency, that is surprises me so little of it
>>>> makes it to GA.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> --
>>> Scott
>>> http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
>>> Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
>>> Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)
>>

[Highflyer]

"Richard Riley" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 01:08:22 GMT, Jerry Wass >
> wrote:
>
>>Bill Daniels wrote:
>>> Oh, I dunno, you don't win races by blowing up engines - you have to
>>> finish.
>
> In th '50s my dad raced Forumula 3 cars (on methanol ditto fluid, but
> that's another story.)
>
> One race he won, he didn't take a victory lap, he just pulled into the
> winners circle. When my mom asked him why he said "6 lap race, 6 lap
> engine."

I can remember a not to be named but once well known Formula 1 air race guy
thinking out loud as follows ...

"Cooling drag is about 40% of my total drag on the airplane. The average
air race only lasts about 15 minutes. I think an O-200 will run at least 15
minutes without cooling before it siezes. What will happen if we eliminate
the cooling completely?"

Some of the things we consider for racing advantage are not altogether
practical on an everyday non-racing machine! :-)

Highflyer
Highflight Aviation Services
Pinckneyville Airport ( PJY )

Pinckneyville rec.aviation flyin May 18,19, 20. FAQ at
http://www.ousterhout.net/pjy-faq.html

[cavelamb himself]

Highflyer wrote:
> "Richard Riley" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 01:08:22 GMT, Jerry Wass >
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Bill Daniels wrote:
>>>
>>>>Oh, I dunno, you don't win races by blowing up engines - you have to
>>>>finish.
>>
>>In th '50s my dad raced Forumula 3 cars (on methanol ditto fluid, but
>>that's another story.)
>>
>>One race he won, he didn't take a victory lap, he just pulled into the
>>winners circle. When my mom asked him why he said "6 lap race, 6 lap
>>engine."
>
>
> I can remember a not to be named but once well known Formula 1 air race guy
> thinking out loud as follows ...
>
> "Cooling drag is about 40% of my total drag on the airplane. The average
> air race only lasts about 15 minutes. I think an O-200 will run at least 15
> minutes without cooling before it siezes. What will happen if we eliminate
> the cooling completely?"
>
> Some of the things we consider for racing advantage are not altogether
> practical on an everyday non-racing machine! :-)
>
> Highflyer
> Highflight Aviation Services
> Pinckneyville Airport ( PJY )
>
> Pinckneyville rec.aviation flyin May 18,19, 20. FAQ at
> http://www.ousterhout.net/pjy-faq.html
>
>
Sounds Like Tom Cassutt?