Something wrong here, Top Gun greatest movie for EAA?

[Bugs66]

http://www.airventure.org/2007/news/070503_movie.html

Something is very wrong when the cheesy movie Top Gun wins over 12
O'clock High, Waldo Pepper, and Spirit of St. Louis. It shouldn't
even be on the list among the other great movies. I think the vote
was rigged!

In my opinion Top Gun is one of the dumbest aviation movies I have
ever seen. I remember seeing it in the theater when it opened, I was
only 17. I had just earned my pilots license and even then I thought
the movie was dumb. The only reason I went to see it was the late
great Art Scholl was killed making it and I wanted to pay my
respect.

For you guys who voted for Top Gun, maybe you should spend a rainy
afternoon watching the classics and you might learn something.

End of rant.

[jerry wass]

Bugs66 wrote:
> http://www.airventure.org/2007/news/070503_movie.html
>
> Something is very wrong when the cheesy movie Top Gun wins over 12
> O'clock High, Waldo Pepper, and Spirit of St. Louis. It shouldn't
> even be on the list among the other great movies. I think the vote
> was rigged!
>
> In my opinion Top Gun is one of the dumbest aviation movies I have
> ever seen. I remember seeing it in the theater when it opened, I was
> only 17. I had just earned my pilots license and even then I thought
> the movie was dumb. The only reason I went to see it was the late
> great Art Scholl was killed making it and I wanted to pay my
> respect.
>
> For you guys who voted for Top Gun, maybe you should spend a rainy
> afternoon watching the classics and you might learn something.
>
> End of rant.
>
I agree with you 98%--all the above plus Hells Angels-(Gary Cooper-?)

Of course Top Gun rated right up there with Keep 'em Flying-(Abbot &
Costello) & Hot Shots -(Martin Sheen)

I Guess not enough people watched PBS with "Piece of Cake" English
-London Blitz & lots of Spitfires----Plus the really catchy tune--
The Bells of Hell go "ding a ling a ling" for you,but not for me---
For Me the Angels Sing a ling a ling, they've got the goods for me.
Oh Death where is thy sting a ling a ling, Oh Grave thy Victory--the
bells of Hell go ding a ling a ling, for You but not for Me!

I'm not sure about "goods" in the 3rd line---anybody know for sure??

[Ron Wanttaja]

On Sun, 06 May 2007 18:40:05 GMT, Jerry Wass > wrote:

>I Guess not enough people watched PBS with "Piece of Cake" English
>-London Blitz & lots of Spitfires----Plus the really catchy tune--
>The Bells of Hell go "ding a ling a ling" for you,but not for me---
>For Me the Angels Sing a ling a ling, they've got the goods for me.
>Oh Death where is thy sting a ling a ling, Oh Grave thy Victory--the
>bells of Hell go ding a ling a ling, for You but not for Me!
>
>I'm not sure about "goods" in the 3rd line---anybody know for sure??

http://sniff.numachi.com/pages/tiBELLHELL;ttBELLHELL.html

That song wasn't in "Piece of Cake," it was in another RAF TV series aired here
in the US..."A Perfect Hero."

http://www.hcu.ox.ac.uk/cgi-bin/jtap/board/config.pl?noframes;read=9780

The "Piece of Cake" theme was orchestral.

Ron Wanttaja

[Kyle Boatright]

"Bugs66" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> http://www.airventure.org/2007/news/070503_movie.html
>
> Something is very wrong when the cheesy movie Top Gun wins over 12
> O'clock High, Waldo Pepper, and Spirit of St. Louis. It shouldn't
> even be on the list among the other great movies. I think the vote
> was rigged!
>
> In my opinion Top Gun is one of the dumbest aviation movies I have
> ever seen. I remember seeing it in the theater when it opened, I was
> only 17. I had just earned my pilots license and even then I thought
> the movie was dumb. The only reason I went to see it was the late
> great Art Scholl was killed making it and I wanted to pay my
> respect.
>
> For you guys who voted for Top Gun, maybe you should spend a rainy
> afternoon watching the classics and you might learn something.
>
> End of rant.
>

I agree with your sentiment, but Top Gun did something none of the other
aviation movies have done in my lifetime (42 years, at last count). It put
together a plot with a decent storyline, good music, outstanding visuals, a
romantic relationship, and an outstanding cast.

Waldo Pepper had a good storyline, excellent actors, and great visuals, but
lacked the relationship angle after Mary Beth had her untimely demise, and
didn't have a soundtrack with "legs".

Always had the visuals, the actors, the romance, and a storyline, but it was
nowhere near as timely as Top Gun, and lacked a popular soundtrack.

Battle of Britain had the visuals tied around a true story. It even had a
great cast. Unfortunately, the cast was underutilized and none of the
characters or relationships were even mildly interesting. The soundtrack
was great, but certainly didn't translate to popular culture.

All four movies I listed are watchable, but one - Top Gun sacrificed
accuracy to capitalize at the box office. And the strategy worked.

One great thing about all 4 movies is that they used real aircraft. I fear
that we'll never see another aviation epic filmed with live aircraft. CGI
seems to have taken over for the most part.

KB

[cavelamb himself]

Ron Wanttaja wrote:
> On Sun, 06 May 2007 18:40:05 GMT, Jerry Wass > wrote:
>
>
>>I Guess not enough people watched PBS with "Piece of Cake" English
>>-London Blitz & lots of Spitfires----Plus the really catchy tune--
>>The Bells of Hell go "ding a ling a ling" for you,but not for me---
>>For Me the Angels Sing a ling a ling, they've got the goods for me.
>>Oh Death where is thy sting a ling a ling, Oh Grave thy Victory--the
>>bells of Hell go ding a ling a ling, for You but not for Me!
>>
>>I'm not sure about "goods" in the 3rd line---anybody know for sure??
>
>
> http://sniff.numachi.com/pages/tiBELLHELL;ttBELLHELL.html
>
> That song wasn't in "Piece of Cake," it was in another RAF TV series aired here
> in the US..."A Perfect Hero."
>
> http://www.hcu.ox.ac.uk/cgi-bin/jtap/board/config.pl?noframes;read=9780
>
> The "Piece of Cake" theme was orchestral.
>
> Ron Wanttaja


What ever happened to "Cloud Dancer"?

Haven't seen that one in years!

Richard

[Maxwell]

"Bugs66" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> http://www.airventure.org/2007/news/070503_movie.html
>
> Something is very wrong when the cheesy movie Top Gun wins over 12
> O'clock High, Waldo Pepper, and Spirit of St. Louis. It shouldn't
> even be on the list among the other great movies. I think the vote
> was rigged!
>
> In my opinion Top Gun is one of the dumbest aviation movies I have
> ever seen. I remember seeing it in the theater when it opened, I was
> only 17. I had just earned my pilots license and even then I thought
> the movie was dumb. The only reason I went to see it was the late
> great Art Scholl was killed making it and I wanted to pay my
> respect.
>
> For you guys who voted for Top Gun, maybe you should spend a rainy
> afternoon watching the classics and you might learn something.
>
> End of rant.
>


Yeah, I suggested Waldo Pepper, but Spirit of St. Louis was an awfully good
one as well. It would be a tough choice for me.

Top Gun just did well because it played well to non-pilots, was much better
and more broadly promoted (including a very good sound track), and was
produced at a later time. I think you actually have to be involved with
aviation to really appreciate movies as real as Waldo and Spirit.

[C J Campbell[_1_]]

On 2007-05-06 10:50:02 -0700, Bugs66 > said:

> http://www.airventure.org/2007/news/070503_movie.html
>
> Something is very wrong when the cheesy movie Top Gun wins over 12
> O'clock High, Waldo Pepper, and Spirit of St. Louis. It shouldn't
> even be on the list among the other great movies. I think the vote
> was rigged!
>
> In my opinion Top Gun is one of the dumbest aviation movies I have
> ever seen. I remember seeing it in the theater when it opened, I was
> only 17. I had just earned my pilots license and even then I thought
> the movie was dumb. The only reason I went to see it was the late
> great Art Scholl was killed making it and I wanted to pay my
> respect.
>
> For you guys who voted for Top Gun, maybe you should spend a rainy
> afternoon watching the classics and you might learn something.
>
> End of rant.

Top Gun. Isn't that the movie about a brittle Navy pilot who screws up
and gets his best friend killed, goes bonkers, sleeps with the
psychiatrist who is supposed to be evaluating him, single-handedly
becomes an ace in only one dogfight, then displays his anti-authority
attitude by buzzing his commander?

"You can be my wing man anytime." "No, you can be MY wing man."

Great dialog. Makes my list as one of the worst aviation movies of all time.

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

[Richard Isakson]

"cavelamb himself" wrote in ...
>
> What ever happened to "Cloud Dancer"?
>
> Haven't seen that one in years!

Was that the movie with the two sailplanes sort of competing against each
other and only had three spoken words in the whole movie? That movie did
the best job of capturing the spirit of aviation of any aviation movie I've
ever seen.

Rich

[Bugs66]

I had forgotten about Always, which was in my opinion a very good
aviation movie. Still, not the all time best as EAA was seeking with
their survey. It just surprises me that supposedly EAA members (or
mostly) voted Top Gun as the best. Seems rather odd.

You guys brought up some other movies I haven't seen yet. Will have to
check them out!

[Ric[_2_]]

"Maxwell" > wrote in message

> Top Gun just did well because it played well to non-pilots, was much
> better and more broadly promoted (including a very good sound track), and
> was produced at a later time. I think you actually have to be involved
> with aviation to really appreciate movies as real as Waldo and Spirit.

For me, the above hits the nail right on the head....

Ric
>
>
>

[william]

I would say Sprit of St. Lewis with Jimmy Steward was about the best. Blue
Max was ok and there was a movie about the Avro Arrow on DTV that was really
very good, but I don't know if it was shown in theaters. Top Gun was bad.
The Avaitor was worse, I could not even watch more than a few min. of that
awful movie.


"C J Campbell" > wrote in message
news:2007050619410837709-christophercampbell@hotmailcom...
> On 2007-05-06 10:50:02 -0700, Bugs66 > said:
>
>> http://www.airventure.org/2007/news/070503_movie.html
>>
>> Something is very wrong when the cheesy movie Top Gun wins over 12
>> O'clock High, Waldo Pepper, and Spirit of St. Louis. It shouldn't
>> even be on the list among the other great movies. I think the vote
>> was rigged!
>>
>> In my opinion Top Gun is one of the dumbest aviation movies I have
>> ever seen. I remember seeing it in the theater when it opened, I was
>> only 17. I had just earned my pilots license and even then I thought
>> the movie was dumb. The only reason I went to see it was the late
>> great Art Scholl was killed making it and I wanted to pay my
>> respect.
>>
>> For you guys who voted for Top Gun, maybe you should spend a rainy
>> afternoon watching the classics and you might learn something.
>>
>> End of rant.
>
> Top Gun. Isn't that the movie about a brittle Navy pilot who screws up and
> gets his best friend killed, goes bonkers, sleeps with the psychiatrist
> who is supposed to be evaluating him, single-handedly becomes an ace in
> only one dogfight, then displays his anti-authority attitude by buzzing
> his commander?
>
> "You can be my wing man anytime." "No, you can be MY wing man."
>
> Great dialog. Makes my list as one of the worst aviation movies of all
> time.
>
> --
> Waddling Eagle
> World Famous Flight Instructor
>

[cavelamb himself]

Some others on the shelf here...

Memphis Bells is fabulous.

Flight of the Intruder is a little hokey in places, but good flying.

The Battle of Britan is pretty good.

The Right Stuff.

Spy in the Sky (development and history of the U2).

Flight of the Pheonix (both of them)

[Montblack]

("william" wrote)
> The Avaitor was worse, I could not even watch more than a few min. of that
> awful movie.


I enjoyed The Aviator (2004), as a movie, for its aviation sequenses, for
the story it told, for the acting, for the period sets, and for a whole
bunch of other reasons. The Aviator is a very good movie.

Try watching the entire movie next time. <g>

http://www.dancewithshadows.com/oscar_winners_2005.asp
11 .... Academy Award nominations
5 ...... Oscars won that night


Mont-back-lot
"For those keeping score: Three 6 Mafia: 1; Martin Scorsese: 0."

[[email protected]]

I ran this poll for EAA and am very interested in this thread... would
like to assure everyone that the voting was not rigged! Top Gun did
genuinely receive the most votes, although it was quite a close-run
thing with Twelve o' Clock High.

For your interest, I will paste below the full list of movies that
were nominated by EAA members a few months ago in an open nomination
period, with the number representing how many nominations were
received by each movie. (The top 10 on this list are the ones that
were ultimately voted on in the main poll which received 10,270
votes).

As you can see there is a wide variety of interest, and some great
movies were nominated. Perhaps this long list is a better indication
of the breadth and quality of interest among EAA's members. My
personal favourite is the excellent Czech film "Dark Blue World" which
is thoroughly recommended... there can be no more perfect combination
of British beauty and elegance than Tara Fitzgerald and a whole bunch
of Spitfires.

I have received a few grumbles about Top Gun winning the poll, but
have been reminding everyone that (a) democracy must be respected, and
(b) there are 6 other nights in the week that we'll be showing movies
at the Fly-In Theater during AirVenture 2007. The whole process has
given us some great ideas. The full program will be unveiled in a
couple of weeks, but I think some of the contributors to this thread
will be happy. We have some awesome presenters lined-up too.

We had very good feedback to the Fly-In Theater last year, look
forward to seeing some of you there in July!

Adam Smith
Museum Director
EAA


Great Waldo Pepper, The 61
Twelve O'Clock High 52
Top Gun 44
Spirit of St. Louis 39
Battle of Britain 36
Those Mag Men in Their Flying Mach 31
Blue Max 28
High and the Mighty, The 26
Flight of the Phoenix 23
Memphis Belle (1990) 24
Right Stuff, The 22
Flyboys 19
Always 18
Strategic Air Command 17
Apollo 13 16
Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo 13
Airplane! 12
Bridges at Toko-Ri 12
Dawn Patrol 11
Hell's Angels 11
Tora! Tora! Tora! 11
Rocketeer, The 9
Air America 8
Dam Busters, The 8
Midway 8
High Road to China 7
Wings (1927) 7
Cloud Dancer 7
633 Squadron 6
Island in the Sky 6
One Six Right 6
Aviator, The (2004) (H. Hughes) 5
Best Years of Our Lives 5
Flying Tigers 5
God is My Co-Pilot 5
One Six Left 5
Pearl Harbor 5
Piece of Cake - BBC 5
Tuskegee Airmen 5
Airport 4
Aviator, The (1985) (plane crash) 4
Bat 21 4
Dr. Strangelove 4
Fate is the Hunter 4
Fighter Pilot - IMAX 4
Flight of the Intruder 4
Memphis Belle (1944) 6
A Guy Named Joe 3
Captains of the Clouds 3
Dark Blue World 3
Empire of the Sun 3
Final Countdown 3
Firefox (1982) 3
Fly Away Home 3
The Hunters 3
Iron Eagle 3
Midway (1976) 3
Reach for the Sky 3
Breaking the Sound Barrier 2
Flyers - IMAX 2
Flying Leathernecks 2
Men with Wings 2
War Lover, The 2
Wings of Eagles 2
Toward the Unknown 2
2001Space Odyssey 1
A Bridge Too Far 1
A Gathering of Eagles 1
Airplane 2 1
Aviator, The (no date) 1
Battle Hymn 1
Bush Pilot 1
Capricorn One 1
China Clipper 1
Christopher Strong 1
Command Decision 1
Con Air 1
Cutaway 1
Dive Bomber 1
Eagles Nest 1
Failsafe 1
Fandango 1
Fighter Squadron 1
Firebirds 1
Flight from Ashiya 1
Freefall: Flight 174 1
Gods Must Be Crazy 2, The 1
Great Santini, The 1
Gypsy Moths 1
Hail Columbia 1
Hannover Street 1
It's a Mad Mad Mad World 1
Mosquito Squadron 1
Mother Lode 1
Murphy's War 1
Only Angels Have Wings 1
Peter Pan 1
Planes, Trains and Automobiles 1
Poncha Barnes 1
Porco Rosso 1
Pushing Tin 1
Radio Flyer 1
Six Days Seven Nights 1
Sky is the Limit, THe (made for tv) 1
Skydancer 1
Skyward (made for tv) 1
Space Cowboys 1
Spin (2003) 1
Spitfire 1
Star Wars 1
Tailspin Tommy Tompkins 1
Ten Seconds That Shook the World 1
Test Pilot 1
Threshold - Blue Angels 1
Thunderbolt Squadron 1
War 1
Wild Blue Yonder 1
Young Eagle 1
Aunt Bea Learns to Fly - Andy Griffith 1
Baa Baa Black Sheep -tv 1
Sky King - tv 1
12 O'Clock High - tv 1

[cavelamb himself]

Montblack wrote:

> ("william" wrote)
>
>>The Avaitor was worse, I could not even watch more than a few min. of that
>>awful movie.
>
>
>
> I enjoyed The Aviator (2004), as a movie, for its aviation sequenses, for
> the story it told, for the acting, for the period sets, and for a whole
> bunch of other reasons. The Aviator is a very good movie.
>
> Try watching the entire movie next time. <g>
>
> http://www.dancewithshadows.com/oscar_winners_2005.asp
> 11 .... Academy Award nominations
> 5 ...... Oscars won that night
>
>
> Mont-back-lot
> "For those keeping score: Three 6 Mafia: 1; Martin Scorsese: 0."
>
>

Ok, bur which "the Aviator"?

There a prior version of Ernest K Gann's story about an early air
mail pilot forced down in the mountains?

As played by Superman and Lois Lane?

Richard

[jerry wass]

Thank YOU for your comments and the listing of all the movies nominated,
of course the later movies are still fresh in peoples minds-9 ('CEPT us
old fogeys w/alzheimers) I feel certain that most of this groups members
appreciate your toiling with the figures, regardless of the outcome. THANKS



wrote:
> I ran this poll for EAA and am very interested in this thread... would
> like to assure everyone that the voting was not rigged! Top Gun did
> genuinely receive the most votes, although it was quite a close-run
> thing with Twelve o' Clock High.
>
> For your interest, I will paste below the full list of movies that
> were nominated by EAA members a few months ago in an open nomination
> period, with the number representing how many nominations were
> received by each movie. (The top 10 on this list are the ones that
> were ultimately voted on in the main poll which received 10,270
> votes).
>
> As you can see there is a wide variety of interest, and some great
> movies were nominated. Perhaps this long list is a better indication
> of the breadth and quality of interest among EAA's members. My
> personal favourite is the excellent Czech film "Dark Blue World" which
> is thoroughly recommended... there can be no more perfect combination
> of British beauty and elegance than Tara Fitzgerald and a whole bunch
> of Spitfires.
>
> I have received a few grumbles about Top Gun winning the poll, but
> have been reminding everyone that (a) democracy must be respected, and
> (b) there are 6 other nights in the week that we'll be showing movies
> at the Fly-In Theater during AirVenture 2007. The whole process has
> given us some great ideas. The full program will be unveiled in a
> couple of weeks, but I think some of the contributors to this thread
> will be happy. We have some awesome presenters lined-up too.
>
> We had very good feedback to the Fly-In Theater last year, look
> forward to seeing some of you there in July!
>
> Adam Smith
> Museum Director
> EAA
>
>
> Great Waldo Pepper, The 61
> Twelve O'Clock High 52
> Top Gun 44
> Spirit of St. Louis 39
> Battle of Britain 36
> Those Mag Men in Their Flying Mach 31
> Blue Max 28
> High and the Mighty, The 26
> Flight of the Phoenix 23
> Memphis Belle (1990) 24
> Right Stuff, The 22
> Flyboys 19
> Always 18
> Strategic Air Command 17
> Apollo 13 16
> Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo 13
> Airplane! 12
> Bridges at Toko-Ri 12
> Dawn Patrol 11
> Hell's Angels 11
> Tora! Tora! Tora! 11
> Rocketeer, The 9
> Air America 8
> Dam Busters, The 8
> Midway 8
> High Road to China 7
> Wings (1927) 7
> Cloud Dancer 7
> 633 Squadron 6
> Island in the Sky 6
> One Six Right 6
> Aviator, The (2004) (H. Hughes) 5
> Best Years of Our Lives 5
> Flying Tigers 5
> God is My Co-Pilot 5
> One Six Left 5
> Pearl Harbor 5
> Piece of Cake - BBC 5
> Tuskegee Airmen 5
> Airport 4
> Aviator, The (1985) (plane crash) 4
> Bat 21 4
> Dr. Strangelove 4
> Fate is the Hunter 4
> Fighter Pilot - IMAX 4
> Flight of the Intruder 4
> Memphis Belle (1944) 6
> A Guy Named Joe 3
> Captains of the Clouds 3
> Dark Blue World 3
> Empire of the Sun 3
> Final Countdown 3
> Firefox (1982) 3
> Fly Away Home 3
> The Hunters 3
> Iron Eagle 3
> Midway (1976) 3
> Reach for the Sky 3
> Breaking the Sound Barrier 2
> Flyers - IMAX 2
> Flying Leathernecks 2
> Men with Wings 2
> War Lover, The 2
> Wings of Eagles 2
> Toward the Unknown 2
> 2001Space Odyssey 1
> A Bridge Too Far 1
> A Gathering of Eagles 1
> Airplane 2 1
> Aviator, The (no date) 1
> Battle Hymn 1
> Bush Pilot 1
> Capricorn One 1
> China Clipper 1
> Christopher Strong 1
> Command Decision 1
> Con Air 1
> Cutaway 1
> Dive Bomber 1
> Eagles Nest 1
> Failsafe 1
> Fandango 1
> Fighter Squadron 1
> Firebirds 1
> Flight from Ashiya 1
> Freefall: Flight 174 1
> Gods Must Be Crazy 2, The 1
> Great Santini, The 1
> Gypsy Moths 1
> Hail Columbia 1
> Hannover Street 1
> It's a Mad Mad Mad World 1
> Mosquito Squadron 1
> Mother Lode 1
> Murphy's War 1
> Only Angels Have Wings 1
> Peter Pan 1
> Planes, Trains and Automobiles 1
> Poncha Barnes 1
> Porco Rosso 1
> Pushing Tin 1
> Radio Flyer 1
> Six Days Seven Nights 1
> Sky is the Limit, THe (made for tv) 1
> Skydancer 1
> Skyward (made for tv) 1
> Space Cowboys 1
> Spin (2003) 1
> Spitfire 1
> Star Wars 1
> Tailspin Tommy Tompkins 1
> Ten Seconds That Shook the World 1
> Test Pilot 1
> Threshold - Blue Angels 1
> Thunderbolt Squadron 1
> War 1
> Wild Blue Yonder 1
> Young Eagle 1
> Aunt Bea Learns to Fly - Andy Griffith 1
> Baa Baa Black Sheep -tv 1
> Sky King - tv 1
> 12 O'Clock High - tv 1
>

[wright1902glider]

Heh,

Hell's Angels was Ben Lyon, James Hall, & Jean Harlow. Excellent
special effects for 1927-30, even if the Zepplin was fake.

I still can't believe that you've missed one of the greatest, most
ground-breaking aviation movies of all time:

WINGS!

Watch Star Wars... watch Midway, watch Hell's Angels for that
matter... they all draw from the dogfight scenes in Wings. Of course
it doesn't have sound, but it does have Clara Bow!

In 10 Seconds That Changed the World on the History Channel (right?)
the Wright Flyer used in the action sequences was built by John
Reynolds. Both of us exhibited at a special event for Hartsfield-
Jackson Airport in Atlanta on 12/17/2003. John and I traded a little
"cradle-time" and I have to say that the '03 scares the hell out of
me. Forward visibility with the canards pitched is ZERO. And then
there's the proximity of your right thigh to the engine, and your feet
to the props.

Harry "HrgfgBull****gghgfh" Frey

[SkyDaddy]

Thanks, Adam. This is my Father's Day wish list. :-D


> Adam Smith
> Museum Director
> EAA
>
> Great Waldo Pepper, The 61
> Twelve O'Clock High 52
> Top Gun 44
> Spirit of St. Louis 39
> Battle of Britain 36
> Those Mag Men in Their Flying Mach 31
> Blue Max 28
> High and the Mighty, The 26
> Flight of the Phoenix 23
> Memphis Belle (1990) 24
> Right Stuff, The 22
> Flyboys 19
> Always 18
> Strategic Air Command 17
> Apollo 13 16
> Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo 13
> Airplane! 12
> Bridges at Toko-Ri 12
> Dawn Patrol 11
> Hell's Angels 11
> Tora! Tora! Tora! 11
> Rocketeer, The 9
> Air America 8
> Dam Busters, The 8
> Midway 8
> High Road to China 7
> Wings (1927) 7
> Cloud Dancer 7
> 633 Squadron 6
> Island in the Sky 6
> One Six Right 6
> Aviator, The (2004) (H. Hughes) 5
> Best Years of Our Lives 5
> Flying Tigers 5
> God is My Co-Pilot 5
> One Six Left 5
> Pearl Harbor 5
> Piece of Cake - BBC 5
> Tuskegee Airmen 5
> Airport 4
> Aviator, The (1985) (plane crash) 4
> Bat 21 4
> Dr. Strangelove 4
> Fate is the Hunter 4
> Fighter Pilot - IMAX 4
> Flight of the Intruder 4
> Memphis Belle (1944) 6
> A Guy Named Joe 3
> Captains of the Clouds 3
> Dark Blue World 3
> Empire of the Sun 3
> Final Countdown 3
> Firefox (1982) 3
> Fly Away Home 3
> The Hunters 3
> Iron Eagle 3
> Midway (1976) 3
> Reach for the Sky 3
> Breaking the Sound Barrier 2
> Flyers - IMAX 2
> Flying Leathernecks 2
> Men with Wings 2
> War Lover, The 2
> Wings of Eagles 2
> Toward the Unknown 2
> 2001Space Odyssey 1
> A Bridge Too Far 1
> A Gathering of Eagles 1
> Airplane 2 1
> Aviator, The (no date) 1
> Battle Hymn 1
> Bush Pilot 1
> Capricorn One 1
> China Clipper 1
> Christopher Strong 1
> Command Decision 1
> Con Air 1
> Cutaway 1
> Dive Bomber 1
> Eagles Nest 1
> Failsafe 1
> Fandango 1
> Fighter Squadron 1
> Firebirds 1
> Flight from Ashiya 1
> Freefall: Flight 174 1
> Gods Must Be Crazy 2, The 1
> Great Santini, The 1
> Gypsy Moths 1
> Hail Columbia 1
> Hannover Street 1
> It's a Mad Mad Mad World 1
> Mosquito Squadron 1
> Mother Lode 1
> Murphy's War 1
> Only Angels Have Wings 1
> Peter Pan 1
> Planes, Trains and Automobiles 1
> Poncha Barnes 1
> Porco Rosso 1
> Pushing Tin 1
> Radio Flyer 1
> Six Days Seven Nights 1
> Sky is the Limit, THe (made for tv) 1
> Skydancer 1
> Skyward (made for tv) 1
> Space Cowboys 1
> Spin (2003) 1
> Spitfire 1
> Star Wars 1
> Tailspin Tommy Tompkins 1
> Ten Seconds That Shook the World 1
> Test Pilot 1
> Threshold - Blue Angels 1
> Thunderbolt Squadron 1
> War 1
> Wild Blue Yonder 1
> Young Eagle 1
> Aunt Bea Learns to Fly - Andy Griffith 1
> Baa Baa Black Sheep -tv 1
> Sky King - tv 1
> 12 O'Clock High - tv 1

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On May 9, 1:50 am, Richard Riley > wrote:
> On Tue, 8 May 2007 15:08:28 -0500, "Montblack"
>
> > wrote:
> >("william" wrote)
> >> The Avaitor was worse, I could not even watch more than a few min. of that
> >> awful movie.
>
> >I enjoyed The Aviator (2004), as a movie, for its aviation sequenses, for
> >the story it told, for the acting, for the period sets, and for a whole
> >bunch of other reasons. The Aviator is a very good movie.
>
> >Try watching the entire movie next time. <g>
>
> >http://www.dancewithshadows.com/oscar_winners_2005.asp
> >11 .... Academy Award nominations
> >5 ...... Oscars won that night
>
> A neighbor of mine worked for Hughes from about 44 to the late 80's.
> He says DiCaprio's performance was spooky, it was so spot on.
>

Somewhere online I found footage of Hughes' testimony before the
Senate whatever-it-was committee. Aside from the color and
DiCaprio's face instead of Hughes' it was identical, down to
the posture and the inflection in his voice. I'm sure that and
other footage was careful studied by DiCaprio and others for
the film.

The Udvar-Hazy annex to the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum
has a small model of the twin radial engine amphibian biplane
flown in the movie. I don't remember what it was, but what a
beautiful plane!

--

FF

[Jay Honeck]

> We had very good feedback to the Fly-In Theater last year, look
> forward to seeing some of you there in July!
>
> Adam Smith
> Museum Director
> EAA

Thanks, Adam, for the great list. I am stealing it, of course,
because I'm running out of ideas for our "Movie Night at the Inn".

(Every Tuesday night we show a free aviation movie in the theater
inside our aviation-themed hotel in Iowa City, IA, the Alexis Park Inn
& Suites. Admission, snacks and beverages are always free, as is time
on our full-sized flight simulator! :-)

I've become something of an aviation movie expert over the last year,
simply through complete immersion therapy! Here's a list of the
movies we've shown on Movie Night since March of 2006:

In 2006 we showed:

Air Force One
Airplane
Apollo 13
Aviator
Battle of Britain
Blackhawk Down
Black Sky
Bridges at Toko-ri
Con-Air
Flight of the Phoenix
Flying Tigers
Great Waldo Pepper
Hell's Angels
High & the Mighty
The Hunters
Island in the Sky
Memphis Belle (Original)
Memphis Belle (Hollywood)
Midway
One Six Right
Pearl Harbor
Prelude to War
Wright Stuff
Spirit of St Louis
30 Seconds Over Tokyo
Top Gun
Tora! Tora! Tora!
Tuskegee Airmen
Twelve O'Clock High
Wing & A Prayer

In 2007 we've showed:
Tuesday, 1/2/07 United 93
Tuesday, 1/9 Flight Plan
Tuesday, 1/16 The Blue Max
Tuesday, 1/23 Flying Leathernecks
Tuesday, 1/30 Airport
Tuesday, 2/6 Passenger 57
Tuesday, 2/13 Airport '77
Tuesday, 2/27 Flyboys
Tuesday, 3/6 Pushing Tin
Tuesday, 3/20 The War Lover
Tuesday, 3/27 Iron Eagle
Tuesday, 4/3 Jet Pilot
Tuesday, 4/10 Stealth
Tuesday, 4/24 The Dawn Patrol
Tuesday, 5/1 The Final Countdown
Tuesday, 5/8 633 Squadron

Coming up, we're going to be showing:

Tuesday, 5/15 (Tonight!) Air America
Tuesday, 5/22 Behind Enemy Lines
Tuesday, 5/30 Red Eye
Tuesday, 6/6 Always
Tuesday, 6/13 Wings in the Dark

Our lists overlap quite a bit, but I've found a couple of flicks on
yours that we don't own. (Once we buy them, they become free to
borrow for our hotel guests...)

Personally, I found Stealth and Iron Eagle to be the two worst
aviation movies of all time. Many of the John Wayne movies, although
long on great aviation footage, are almost unwatchable due to their
horrible plot, pacing, and acting.

Best? Black Sky, Apollo 13, and The Aviator are quite excellent, as
is One Six Right.

But, yes, I *do* love Top Gun. It's got some of the greatest flying
sequences ever filmed...

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Montblack]

wrote)
> The Udvar-Hazy annex to the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum has a small
> model of the twin radial engine amphibian biplane flown in the movie. I
> don't remember what it was, but what a beautiful plane!


Here are some pics of the VERY plane that was in the movie.

The Sikorsky S-38 left the National Air Tour a few days after these pics
were taken, so they had time to repaint it - and get it out West for the
movie's shooting schedule.

<http://www.alexisparkinn.com/national_air_tour.htm>
National Air Tour 2003

<http://www.nationalairtour.org/pilotplanespeople/aircraft_info.cfm?aircraft_id=11>
Info about the plane and the owner

<http://nosuchblog.blog-city.com/the_aviator_and_the_s38_random_sikorsky_seaplane_t rivia.htm>
Much info here - read through the posts

The rest of the links are from Jay's National Air Tour 2003 site:

<http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/SMALL%20Jay%20&%20Mary%20with%20Pilatus%209-03.jpg>

<http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/SMALL%20American%20Airways%20biplane%209-03.jpg>

<http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/SMALL%20Sikorsky%20S-38%20Osa's%20Ark%20%209-03.jpg>
Single Engine Sikorsky S-39

<http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/SMALL%20Sikorsky%20S-39%20at%20Anoka%209-03.jpg>

<http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/SMALL%20Jay%20&%20Paul%20with%20the%20S-38%20%209-03.jpg>


Montblack

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On May 10, 1:00 am, Jerry Wass > wrote:
> Thank YOU for your comments and the listing of all the movies nominated,
> of course the later movies are still fresh in peoples minds-9 ('CEPT us
> old fogeys w/alzheimers) I feel certain that most of this groups members
> appreciate your toiling with the figures, regardless of the outcome. THANKS
>
> wrote:
> > I ran this poll for EAA and am very interested in this thread... would
> > like to assure everyone that the voting was not rigged! Top Gun did
> > genuinely receive the most votes, although it was quite a close-run
> > thing with Twelve o' Clock High.
>
> > ... (The top 10 on this list are the ones that
> > were ultimately voted on in the main poll which received 10,270
> > votes).
>

I assume from the description that the last participants
in the final vote had ten choices and that _Top Gun_
received a plurality (less than 50%) of the votes. Sort
of like how Arnold Shwartzenegger was elected Gropenator
of California.

If so, aside from what Mr Wass noted, there is another effect
in play here, which is a 'dilution' effect. Had the voting been
single elimination, in which the movie receiving the fewest
votes had been eliminated followed by another round of
voting, and THAT process continued until one movie received
a majority, the result might have been different.

Of course multiple runoff voting is much more logistically difficult,
even if more accurate.

IIUC, there is plan so show several of these at Oshkosh. It
might be interesting to poll those viewers viewers afterwards.

--

FF

[Darrel Toepfer]

Jay Honeck > wrote:

>> We had very good feedback to the Fly-In Theater last year, look
>> forward to seeing some of you there in July!
>>
>> Adam Smith
>> Museum Director
>> EAA

What kneaux:

Soul Plane = http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0367085
or
Snakes on a Plane = http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0417148

> Thanks, Adam, for the great list. I am stealing it, of course,
> because I'm running out of ideas for our "Movie Night at the Inn".
>
> (Every Tuesday night we show a free aviation movie in the theater
> inside our aviation-themed hotel in Iowa City, IA, the Alexis Park Inn
> & Suites. Admission, snacks and beverages are always free, as is time
> on our full-sized flight simulator! :-)
>
> I've become something of an aviation movie expert over the last year,
> simply through complete immersion therapy! Here's a list of the
> movies we've shown on Movie Night since March of 2006:
>
> In 2006 we showed:
>
> Air Force One
> Airplane
> Apollo 13
> Aviator
> Battle of Britain
> Blackhawk Down
> Black Sky
> Bridges at Toko-ri
> Con-Air
> Flight of the Phoenix
> Flying Tigers
> Great Waldo Pepper
> Hell's Angels
> High & the Mighty
> The Hunters
> Island in the Sky
> Memphis Belle (Original)
> Memphis Belle (Hollywood)
> Midway
> One Six Right
> Pearl Harbor
> Prelude to War
> Wright Stuff
> Spirit of St Louis
> 30 Seconds Over Tokyo
> Top Gun
> Tora! Tora! Tora!
> Tuskegee Airmen
> Twelve O'Clock High
> Wing & A Prayer
>
> In 2007 we've showed:
> Tuesday, 1/2/07 United 93
> Tuesday, 1/9 Flight Plan
> Tuesday, 1/16 The Blue Max
> Tuesday, 1/23 Flying Leathernecks
> Tuesday, 1/30 Airport
> Tuesday, 2/6 Passenger 57
> Tuesday, 2/13 Airport '77
> Tuesday, 2/27 Flyboys
> Tuesday, 3/6 Pushing Tin
> Tuesday, 3/20 The War Lover
> Tuesday, 3/27 Iron Eagle
> Tuesday, 4/3 Jet Pilot
> Tuesday, 4/10 Stealth
> Tuesday, 4/24 The Dawn Patrol
> Tuesday, 5/1 The Final Countdown
> Tuesday, 5/8 633 Squadron
>
> Coming up, we're going to be showing:
>
> Tuesday, 5/15 (Tonight!) Air America
> Tuesday, 5/22 Behind Enemy Lines
> Tuesday, 5/30 Red Eye
> Tuesday, 6/6 Always
> Tuesday, 6/13 Wings in the Dark
>
> Our lists overlap quite a bit, but I've found a couple of flicks on
> yours that we don't own. (Once we buy them, they become free to
> borrow for our hotel guests...)
>
> Personally, I found Stealth and Iron Eagle to be the two worst
> aviation movies of all time. Many of the John Wayne movies, although
> long on great aviation footage, are almost unwatchable due to their
> horrible plot, pacing, and acting.
>
> Best? Black Sky, Apollo 13, and The Aviator are quite excellent, as
> is One Six Right.
>
> But, yes, I *do* love Top Gun. It's got some of the greatest flying
> sequences ever filmed...

[Jay Honeck]

> What kneaux:
>
> Soul Plane =http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0367085
> or
> Snakes on a Plane =http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0417148

Dunno about "Soul Plane" (never heard of it) -- but the only way
"Snakes on a Plane" will ever make it to "Movie Night at the Inn" will
be if someone gives the movie to me, free -- and then ties me to a
chair whilst feeding me shots of tequila.

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[RST Engineering]

Then I guess you will be playing the movie that they made from a long-lost
novel that Harper Lee wrote while living in Mexico for a few years ---
Tequila Mockingbird?


Jim



and then ties me to a
> chair whilst feeding me shots of tequila.
>

[Gig 601XL Builder]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>> What kneaux:
>>
>> Soul Plane =http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0367085
>> or
>> Snakes on a Plane =http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0417148
>
> Dunno about "Soul Plane" (never heard of it) -- but the only way
> "Snakes on a Plane" will ever make it to "Movie Night at the Inn" will
> be if someone gives the movie to me, free -- and then ties me to a
> chair whilst feeding me shots of tequila.
>
> ;-)

Snakes On A Plane is a great movie. It is a great movie in the exact same
way the original RoboCop was a great movie. The actors, directors and
everybody else involved realized they had a pile of crap in front of them
when they started. Instead of holding their noses getting through it they
took the mound of crap and made funny sculptors.

All movies don't have to be masterpieces they do need to entertain.

[Darrel Toepfer]

"RST Engineering" > wrote:
> Jay wrote:

> Then I guess you will be playing the movie that they made from a
> long-lost novel that Harper Lee wrote while living in Mexico for a few
> years --- Tequila Mockingbird?
>
>> and then ties me to a chair whilst feeding me shots of tequila.

There might be somebody somewhere who'd be willing to contribute to a
charitable cause to see that...

Does the Inn theater support VCD/SVCD/AVI/Divx/WMV in addition to DVD?