Mystery turn control device on older jets

[Mxsmanic]

I recall seeing, long ago, a sort of large knob on the pedestal of a jet (I
can't remember which kind) that, when turned, put the aircraft into a
coordinated turn ... at least if I recall correctly. No modern jets seem to
have anything like this. Am I imagining things, or did something like this
exist on earlier jets. I recall it being called a flight director, I think,
but the behavior doesn't seem to be like the devices people call flight
directors today.

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[Bob Moore]

Mxsmanic wrote

> I recall seeing, long ago, a sort of large knob on the pedestal of a
> jet (I can't remember which kind) that, when turned, put the aircraft
> into a coordinated turn ... at least if I recall correctly. No modern
> jets seem to have anything like this. Am I imagining things, or did
> something like this exist on earlier jets. I recall it being called a
> flight director, I think, but the behavior doesn't seem to be like the
> devices people call flight directors today.

Probably the autopilot manual turn controller.

Bob Moore

[Bertie the Bunyip[_2_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> I recall seeing, long ago, a sort of large knob on the pedestal of a
> jet (I can't remember which kind) that, when turned, put the aircraft
> into a coordinated turn ... at least if I recall correctly. No modern
> jets seem to have anything like this.

You're an idiot.

Send me $500 and I'll tell you all about it.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_2_]]

Is Mxsmanic a Terrorist > wrote in
:

>
>>I recall seeing, long ago, a sort of large knob on the pedestal of a
>>jet (I can't remember which kind) that, when turned, put the aircraft
>>into a coordinated turn ... at least if I recall correctly. No modern
>>jets seem to have anything like this. Am I imagining things, or did
>>something like this exist on earlier jets. I recall it being called a
>>flight director, I think, but the behavior doesn't seem to be like the
>>devices people call flight directors today.
>
> I can see a terrorist having a use for this information. I don't know
> why a simmer would.
>

'Xacly.

[Luke Skywalker]

On May 6, 5:18 pm, Mxsmanic > wrote:
> I recall seeing, long ago, a sort of large knob on the pedestal of a jet (I
> can't remember which kind) that, when turned, put the aircraft into a
> coordinated turn ... at least if I recall correctly. No modern jets seem to
> have anything like this. Am I imagining things, or did something like this
> exist on earlier jets. I recall it being called a flight director, I think,
> but the behavior doesn't seem to be like the devices people call flight
> directors today.
>
> --
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Well not remembering which jet leaves the field wide open...but if it
was on the pedestal of a B737 200 series or a B727 or a B707 you were
looking at the rudder trim knob.

Robert

[Crash Lander[_1_]]

"Nancy Pryor" > wrote in message
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> OMG...the stewardess is flying the plane!


Yeah, but she plays Microsoft Flight Simulator a lot, so you're in safe
hands!
Crash Lander

[Bob Moore]

Luke Skywalker wrote

> On May 6, 5:18 pm, Mxsmanic > wrote:
>> I recall seeing, long ago, a sort of large knob on the pedestal of a
>> jet (I can't remember which kind) that, when turned, put the aircraft
>> into a coordinated turn ...
> Well not remembering which jet leaves the field wide open...but if it
> was on the pedestal of a B737 200 series or a B727 or a B707 you were
> looking at the rudder trim knob.

I've never seen a rudder trim knob that would put a 707/727 into a
coordinated turn.
I stand by my "autopilot turn knob" answer. Of course, if he had not
mentioned "coordinated turn", I would agree on "Rudder Trim Knob".

Bob Moore
ATP B-707 B-727
PanAm (retired)

[Mxsmanic]

Luke Skywalker writes:

> Well not remembering which jet leaves the field wide open...but if it
> was on the pedestal of a B737 200 series or a B727 or a B707 you were
> looking at the rudder trim knob.

I thought of that, but this was larger ... and you wouldn't normally use
rudder trim to turn the aircraft.

I guess it could be a manual turn controller for the autopilot, as Bob said,
but I wonder how it was used and why it's gone now. Maybe it was something
like control wheel steering (also apparently not used much in practice).

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[Luke Skywalker]

On May 6, 8:23 pm, Mxsmanic > wrote:
> Luke Skywalker writes:
> > Well not remembering which jet leaves the field wide open...but if it
> > was on the pedestal of a B737 200 series or a B727 or a B707 you were
> > looking at the rudder trim knob.
>
> I thought of that, but this was larger ... and you wouldn't normally use
> rudder trim to turn the aircraft.
>
> I guess it could be a manual turn controller for the autopilot, as Bob said,
> but I wonder how it was used and why it's gone now. Maybe it was something
> like control wheel steering (also apparently not used much in practice).
>
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In a Boeing I doubt it was Control Wheel steering. CWS (in a older
boeing at least...and even in the -300 series 737) was done by the
Actual Control wheel...IT with a certian force you moved the control
where and it then "froze" whereever you left it. I find/found it
useful in turbulence...but you had to recognize that in that mode it
didnt recognize any pitch or roll commands. It has been so long since
I flew a -200 737 but I seem to recall that aileron trim was also a
"large" knob on the pedastal...

I've never seen ANY autopilot controls on the pedestal for two
reasons. First they are out of "normal line of sight" which the FAA
requires and second they are vunerable (at least in the 737) to jump
seat riders putting their feet on the pedestal.

The early 737/300's had a "blade" knob for the electric Rudder trim.
This caused at least one accident when a person (on the ground) put
their foot on the pedestal and part of their shoe inadvertantly moved
the knob and ran the rudder trim full deflection.

Now it is a knurled knob to prevent that and there is a two inch guard
around the pedestal...

Sorry I cant help more

Robert

[Luke Skywalker]

>
> But if she has any doubts she can just call the Tower and we'll talk
> her through it.
>
> Patroni


Both Doris Day and Lauren Holly did that quite well!

Robert

[**THE-RFI-EMI-GUY**]

Its located above the "go faster" controls.

Nancy Pryor wrote:

>Mxsmanic > wrote:
>
>
>
>>I recall seeing, long ago, a sort of large knob on the pedestal of a jet (I
>>can't remember which kind) that, when turned, put the aircraft into a
>>coordinated turn ... at least if I recall correctly. No modern jets seem to
>>have anything like this. Am I imagining things, or did something like this
>>exist on earlier jets. I recall it being called a flight director, I think,
>>but the behavior doesn't seem to be like the devices people call flight
>>directors today.
>>
>>
>
>OMG...the stewardess is flying the plane!
>
>
>
>
>PS
>It's a device for turning the plane to avoid flying into the Rockies
>in preparation for landing in Salt Lake City.
>
>
>
>Nancy honey...prepare the cabin for landing.
>
>

--
Joe Leikhim K4SAT
"The RFI-EMI-GUY"©

"Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason?
For if it prosper, none dare call it treason."

"Follow The Money" ;-P

[Bertie the Bunyip[_2_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Luke Skywalker writes:
>
>> Well not remembering which jet leaves the field wide open...but if it
>> was on the pedestal of a B737 200 series or a B727 or a B707 you were
>> looking at the rudder trim knob.
>
> I thought of that, but this was larger ... and you wouldn't normally
> use rudder trim to turn the aircraft.
>
> I guess it could be a manual turn controller for the autopilot, as Bob
> said, but I wonder how it was used and why it's gone now.

Keeep wondering fjukktard.

Unless you send me the 500, of course.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_2_]]

Luke Skywalker > wrote in
ups.com:

> On May 6, 8:23 pm, Mxsmanic > wrote:
>> Luke Skywalker writes:
>> > Well not remembering which jet leaves the field wide open...but if
>> > it was on the pedestal of a B737 200 series or a B727 or a B707 you
>> > were looking at the rudder trim knob.
>>
>> I thought of that, but this was larger ... and you wouldn't normally
>> use rudder trim to turn the aircraft.
>>
>> I guess it could be a manual turn controller for the autopilot, as
>> Bob said, but I wonder how it was used and why it's gone now. Maybe
>> it was something like control wheel steering (also apparently not
>> used much in practice).
>>
>> --
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>
> In a Boeing I doubt it was Control Wheel steering. CWS (in a older
> boeing at least...and even in the -300 series 737) was done by the
> Actual Control wheel...IT with a certian force you moved the control
> where and it then "froze" whereever you left it. I find/found it
> useful in turbulence...but you had to recognize that in that mode it
> didnt recognize any pitch or roll commands. It has been so long since
> I flew a -200 737 but I seem to recall that aileron trim was also a
> "large" knob on the pedastal...
>
> I've never seen ANY autopilot controls on the pedestal for two
> reasons. First they are out of "normal line of sight" which the FAA
> requires and second they are vunerable (at least in the 737) to jump
> seat riders putting their feet on the pedestal.

70 and 72 had them on the pedestal, essentially the same autopilot as
the 737-200, but without CWS, but that's not what terrorist boi is
talking about.



Bertie

[Mxsmanic]

Richard Riley writes:

> How about the nosewheel steering knob?
>
> Is a .02G turn on the tarmac "coordinated?"

I thought tillers were usually placed on the outboard wall of the cockpit
(perhaps because there's not much else placed there)?

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[Bertie the Bunyip[_2_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Richard Riley writes:
>
>> How about the nosewheel steering knob?
>>
>> Is a .02G turn on the tarmac "coordinated?"
>
> I thought tillers were usually placed on the outboard wall of the cockpit
> (perhaps because there's not much else placed there)?
>

You're an idiot. Send me $200 and I'll tell you. A bargain, you have to
agree.


Bertie

[BT]

"Bob Moore" > wrote in message
46.128...
> Luke Skywalker wrote
>
>> On May 6, 5:18 pm, Mxsmanic > wrote:
>>> I recall seeing, long ago, a sort of large knob on the pedestal of a
>>> jet (I can't remember which kind) that, when turned, put the aircraft
>>> into a coordinated turn ...
>> Well not remembering which jet leaves the field wide open...but if it
>> was on the pedestal of a B737 200 series or a B727 or a B707 you were
>> looking at the rudder trim knob.
>
> I've never seen a rudder trim knob that would put a 707/727 into a
> coordinated turn.
> I stand by my "autopilot turn knob" answer. Of course, if he had not
> mentioned "coordinated turn", I would agree on "Rudder Trim Knob".
>
> Bob Moore
> ATP B-707 B-727
> PanAm (retired)

on the B-52, it sets the cross wind crab angle to the gear for take off and
landing
BT

[Maxwell]

"Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
...
> Richard Riley writes:
>
>> How about the nosewheel steering knob?
>>
>> Is a .02G turn on the tarmac "coordinated?"
>
> I thought tillers were usually placed on the outboard wall of the cockpit
> (perhaps because there's not much else placed there)?
>

Have you tried Control-Alt-Arrow?

[Scott Skylane]

Mxsmanic wrote:
> Luke Skywalker writes:
>
>
>>Well not remembering which jet leaves the field wide open...but if it
>>was on the pedestal of a B737 200 series or a B727 or a B707 you were
>>looking at the rudder trim knob.
>
>
> I thought of that, but this was larger ... and you wouldn't normally use
> rudder trim to turn the aircraft.
>
> I guess it could be a manual turn controller for the autopilot, as Bob said,
> but I wonder how it was used and why it's gone now. Maybe it was something
> like control wheel steering (also apparently not used much in practice).
>


Take a look at this picture:

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1149076/L/

At the very bottom center of the photo is the rudder trim knob. Ahead
of it, on the center console, forward of the nav & com radios, and just
below the 3 fuel cutoff levers, is a smaller, grey knob. This is the
autopilot manual turn (and pitch) control knob. It is used to turn the
aircraft left or right, if you're not using a heading &/or nav mode,
while the autopilot is engaged. It is also used to command nose up or
down, unless you are coupled in "approach" mode.

Happy flying!
Scott Skylane

[d&tm]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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> Mxsmanic > wrote in
> :
>
> > I recall seeing, long ago, a sort of large knob on the pedestal of a
> > jet (I can't remember which kind) that, when turned, put the aircraft
> > into a coordinated turn ... at least if I recall correctly. No modern
> > jets seem to have anything like this.
>
> You're an idiot.
>
> Send me $500 and I'll tell you all about it.
>
Bertie
Do you have any reason for reading this newsgroup other than to make
repeated juvenile comments about mxsmanic? ie do you fly yourself? are you
an interested wannabe? , do you have anything to contribute aviation wise?
If the answer to the last 3 questions is no, would you **** off if we sent
you $500?
terry

[Bertie the Bunyip[_2_]]

"d&tm" > wrote in
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>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> . 130...
>> Mxsmanic > wrote in
>> :
>>
>> > I recall seeing, long ago, a sort of large knob on the pedestal of
>> > a jet (I can't remember which kind) that, when turned, put the
>> > aircraft into a coordinated turn ... at least if I recall
>> > correctly. No modern jets seem to have anything like this.
>>
>> You're an idiot.
>>
>> Send me $500 and I'll tell you all about it.
>>
> Bertie
> Do you have any reason for reading this newsgroup other than to make
> repeated juvenile comments about mxsmanic?

No

ie do you fly yourself? Yes

> are you an interested wannabe?

no
, do you have anything to contribute
> aviation wise? If the answer to the last 3 questions is no, would you
> **** off if we sent you $500?

No, but you can send it anyway.

Berti e

[Bertie the Bunyip[_2_]]

"d&tm" > wrote in
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>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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>> Mxsmanic > wrote in
>> :
>>
>> > I recall seeing, long ago, a sort of large knob on the pedestal of
>> > a jet (I can't remember which kind) that, when turned, put the
>> > aircraft into a coordinated turn ... at least if I recall
>> > correctly. No modern jets seem to have anything like this.
>>
>> You're an idiot.
>>
>> Send me $500 and I'll tell you all about it.
>>
> Bertie
> Do you have any reason for reading this newsgroup other than to make
> repeated juvenile comments about mxsmanic? ie do you fly yourself?
> are you an interested wannabe? , do you have anything to contribute
> aviation wise? If the answer to the last 3 questions is no, would you
> **** off if we sent you $500?

BTW, you must be an Aussie!

Bertie

[Mxsmanic]

Scott Skylane writes:

> Take a look at this picture:
>
> http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1149076/L/
>
> At the very bottom center of the photo is the rudder trim knob. Ahead
> of it, on the center console, forward of the nav & com radios, and just
> below the 3 fuel cutoff levers, is a smaller, grey knob. This is the
> autopilot manual turn (and pitch) control knob. It is used to turn the
> aircraft left or right, if you're not using a heading &/or nav mode,
> while the autopilot is engaged. It is also used to command nose up or
> down, unless you are coupled in "approach" mode.

That could be it. I recall it being the size of the lower knob, but it was so
long ago (when I was a child) that I could be remembering things incorrectly
and confusing one control with another. I was interested in planes even then
but I knew nothing about cockpit controls at the time.

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[Robert M. Gary]

On May 6, 3:18 pm, Mxsmanic > wrote:
> I recall seeing, long ago, a sort of large knob on the pedestal of a jet (I
> can't remember which kind) that, when turned, put the aircraft into a
> coordinated turn ... at least if I recall correctly. No modern jets seem to
> have anything like this. Am I imagining things, or did something like this
> exist on earlier jets. I recall it being called a flight director, I think,
> but the behavior doesn't seem to be like the devices people call flight
> directors today.
>
> --
> Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

Probably just a turn director. Even my Mooney has that. Click it left
and you make a standard rate turn to the left, click it right and you
make a standard rate turn to the right. In some situations its just
easier than driving the plane around with the heading bug. Honestly
though, I never use it and I have seen some autopilots that don't
provide it.

-Robert

[Bertie the Bunyip[_2_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Scott Skylane writes:
>
>> Take a look at this picture:
>>
>> http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1149076/L/
>>
>> At the very bottom center of the photo is the rudder trim knob.
>> Ahead of it, on the center console, forward of the nav & com radios,
>> and just below the 3 fuel cutoff levers, is a smaller, grey knob.
>> This is the autopilot manual turn (and pitch) control knob. It is
>> used to turn the aircraft left or right, if you're not using a
>> heading &/or nav mode, while the autopilot is engaged. It is also
>> used to command nose up or down, unless you are coupled in "approach"
>> mode.
>
> That could be it. I recall it being the size of the lower knob, but
> it was so long ago (when I was a child) that I could be remembering
> things incorrectly and confusing one control with another. I was
> interested in planes even then but I knew nothing about cockpit
> controls at the time.
>

You're an idiot, you don't fly you have no idea what you're talking
about.

Berti e

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, Nancy Pryor > said:
>Mxsmanic > wrote:
>>I recall seeing, long ago, a sort of large knob on the pedestal of a jet (I
>>can't remember which kind) that, when turned, put the aircraft into a
>>coordinated turn ... at least if I recall correctly. No modern jets seem to
>>have anything like this. Am I imagining things, or did something like this
>>exist on earlier jets. I recall it being called a flight director, I think,
>>but the behavior doesn't seem to be like the devices people call flight
>>directors today.
>
>OMG...the stewardess is flying the plane!
>
>
>
>
>PS
>It's a device for turning the plane to avoid flying into the Rockies
>in preparation for landing in Salt Lake City.

In preparation for having the hero dangle on a rope and come into the
cockpit, right?



--
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Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
-- Arthur C. Clarke

[d&tm]

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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> >
> > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> > . 130...
> >> Mxsmanic > wrote in
> >> :
> >>
> >> > I recall seeing, long ago, a sort of large knob on the pedestal of
> >> > a jet (I can't remember which kind) that, when turned, put the
> >> > aircraft into a coordinated turn ... at least if I recall
> >> > correctly. No modern jets seem to have anything like this.
> >>
> >> You're an idiot.
> >>
> >> Send me $500 and I'll tell you all about it.
> >>
> > Bertie
> > Do you have any reason for reading this newsgroup other than to make
> > repeated juvenile comments about mxsmanic? ie do you fly yourself?
> > are you an interested wannabe? , do you have anything to contribute
> > aviation wise? If the answer to the last 3 questions is no, would you
> > **** off if we sent you $500?
>
> BTW, you must be an Aussie!
>
BTW you are a jerk. Yes I am an Australian and proud of it , but a little
less proud knowing you probably are an Australian also. Does it occur to
you that your stalking behaviour ( I think thats a valid description for
someone whoes only intent is to reply to one single poster) is obviously
water off a ducks back to mxs.. he clearly sees you as an intellectual
inferior not even worthy of acknowledgement that you exist. I'll be sharing
that sentiment after this post. And BTW I dont believe for 1 minute you are
a pilot.
terry

[george]

On May 7, 5:29 pm, "Maxwell" > wrote:
> "Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > Richard Riley writes:
>
> >> How about the nosewheel steering knob?
>
> >> Is a .02G turn on the tarmac "coordinated?"
>
> > I thought tillers were usually placed on the outboard wall of the cockpit
> > (perhaps because there's not much else placed there)?
>
> Have you tried Control-Alt-Arrow?


Or learning to fly ?

[Mike Hunt]

Luke Skywalker wrote:

>>But if she has any doubts she can just call the Tower and we'll talk
>>her through it.
>>
>>Patroni
>
>
>
> Both Doris Day and Lauren Holly did that quite well!
>
> Robert
>

Striker.......

[Your Better]

"d&tm" > wrote in
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>> > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
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>> >> Mxsmanic > wrote in
>> >> :
>> >>
>> >> > I recall seeing, long ago, a sort of large knob on the pedestal
>> >> > of a jet (I can't remember which kind) that, when turned, put
>> >> > the aircraft into a coordinated turn ... at least if I recall
>> >> > correctly. No modern jets seem to have anything like this.
>> >>
>> >> You're an idiot.
>> >>
>> >> Send me $500 and I'll tell you all about it.
>> >>
>> > Bertie
>> > Do you have any reason for reading this newsgroup other than to
>> > make repeated juvenile comments about mxsmanic? ie do you fly
>> > yourself? are you an interested wannabe? , do you have anything to
>> > contribute aviation wise? If the answer to the last 3 questions is
>> > no, would you **** off if we sent you $500?
>>
>> BTW, you must be an Aussie!
>>
> BTW you are a jerk. Yes I am an Australian and proud of it , but a
> little less proud knowing you probably are an Australian also. Does
> it occur to you that your stalking behaviour ( I think thats a valid
> description for someone whoes only intent is to reply to one single
> poster) is obviously water off a ducks back to mxs.. he clearly sees
> you as an intellectual inferior not even worthy of acknowledgement
> that you exist. I'll be sharing that sentiment after this post. And
> BTW I dont believe for 1 minute you are a pilot.
> terry

I say, I say, son...you're even dumber than you look! But you just keep
sitting there confident in your private pilot knowledge and ignore the big
boys who know far more than you ever will.

And stop scratching, already.

[Luke Skywalker]

On May 7, 4:33 pm, Mike Hunt <postmaster@localhost> wrote:
> Luke Skywalker wrote:
> >>But if she has any doubts she can just call the Tower and we'll talk
> >>her through it.
>
> >>Patroni
>
> > Both Doris Day and Lauren Holly did that quite well!
>
> > Robert
>
> Striker.......

THE SARGE....

What was the L. Bridges line..."It is a bad day to give up glue
sniffing!"

both those were just well done...I was sort of amazed that I laughed
as hard at the second one as I did on the first one...

"You can tell me, I am a Doctor"

Robert

[Mike Hunt]

Luke Skywalker wrote:

> On May 7, 4:33 pm, Mike Hunt <postmaster@localhost> wrote:
>
>>Luke Skywalker wrote:
>>
>>>>But if she has any doubts she can just call the Tower and we'll talk
>>>>her through it.
>>
>>>>Patroni
>>
>>>Both Doris Day and Lauren Holly did that quite well!
>>
>>>Robert
>>
>>Striker.......
>
>
> THE SARGE....
>
> What was the L. Bridges line..."It is a bad day to give up glue
> sniffing!"
>
> both those were just well done...I was sort of amazed that I laughed
> as hard at the second one as I did on the first one...
>
> "You can tell me, I am a Doctor"

What can you make of this?

[RST Engineering]

The Sperry series autopilots on the 7-deuce had a largish knob in the center
of the autopilot control panel on the pedestal to force the aircraft into a
coordinated turn. The knob was about the diameter of a beer can and about a
cigarette pack high. THey were indented about the center arrow so that your
had fit onto the knob nicely.

The flight director (Collins FD-108/109 series) simply showed the result of
the autopilot input, not a control for it.

Jim



"Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
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>I recall seeing, long ago, a sort of large knob on the pedestal of a jet (I
> can't remember which kind) that, when turned, put the aircraft into a
> coordinated turn ...

[Mxsmanic]

RST Engineering writes:

> The Sperry series autopilots on the 7-deuce had a largish knob in the center
> of the autopilot control panel on the pedestal to force the aircraft into a
> coordinated turn. The knob was about the diameter of a beer can and about a
> cigarette pack high. THey were indented about the center arrow so that your
> had fit onto the knob nicely.

That sounds like it! Thanks. Except I don't know what a 7-deuce is.

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[RST Engineering]

727
7-deuce
3-holer

All the same airplane

Jim


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[Bertie the Bunyip[_2_]]

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>> >> :
>> >>
>> >> > I recall seeing, long ago, a sort of large knob on the pedestal
>> >> > of a jet (I can't remember which kind) that, when turned, put
>> >> > the aircraft into a coordinated turn ... at least if I recall
>> >> > correctly. No modern jets seem to have anything like this.
>> >>
>> >> You're an idiot.
>> >>
>> >> Send me $500 and I'll tell you all about it.
>> >>
>> > Bertie
>> > Do you have any reason for reading this newsgroup other than to
>> > make repeated juvenile comments about mxsmanic? ie do you fly
>> > yourself? are you an interested wannabe? , do you have anything to
>> > contribute aviation wise? If the answer to the last 3 questions is
>> > no, would you **** off if we sent you $500?
>>
>> BTW, you must be an Aussie!
>>
> BTW you are a jerk. Yes I am an Australian and proud of it , but a
> little less proud knowing you probably are an Australian also. Does
> it occur to you that your stalking behaviour ( I think thats a valid
> description for someone whoes only intent is to reply to one single
> poster) is obviously water off a ducks back to mxs.. he clearly sees
> you as an intellectual inferior not even worthy of acknowledgement
> that you exist. I'll be sharing that sentiment after this post. And
> BTW I dont believe for 1 minute you are a pilot.

Believe what you like arsehole.

BTW, Aussie, moi?

Bwahwhahwhahwhahwhhahw!

But I spotted yu as one right away!

Bertie
>

[Bertie the Bunyip[_2_]]

Your Better > wrote in
:

> "d&tm" > wrote in
> :
>
>>
>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>> . 130...
>>> "d&tm" > wrote in
>>> :
>>>
>>> >
>>> > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>>> > . 130...
>>> >> Mxsmanic > wrote in
>>> >> :
>>> >>
>>> >> > I recall seeing, long ago, a sort of large knob on the pedestal
>>> >> > of a jet (I can't remember which kind) that, when turned, put
>>> >> > the aircraft into a coordinated turn ... at least if I recall
>>> >> > correctly. No modern jets seem to have anything like this.
>>> >>
>>> >> You're an idiot.
>>> >>
>>> >> Send me $500 and I'll tell you all about it.
>>> >>
>>> > Bertie
>>> > Do you have any reason for reading this newsgroup other than to
>>> > make repeated juvenile comments about mxsmanic? ie do you fly
>>> > yourself? are you an interested wannabe? , do you have anything to
>>> > contribute aviation wise? If the answer to the last 3 questions is
>>> > no, would you **** off if we sent you $500?
>>>
>>> BTW, you must be an Aussie!
>>>
>> BTW you are a jerk. Yes I am an Australian and proud of it , but a
>> little less proud knowing you probably are an Australian also. Does
>> it occur to you that your stalking behaviour ( I think thats a valid
>> description for someone whoes only intent is to reply to one single
>> poster) is obviously water off a ducks back to mxs.. he clearly sees
>> you as an intellectual inferior not even worthy of acknowledgement
>> that you exist. I'll be sharing that sentiment after this post. And
>> BTW I dont believe for 1 minute you are a pilot.
>> terry
>
> I say, I say, son...you're even dumber than you look!

impossible.

Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_2_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> RST Engineering writes:
>
>> The Sperry series autopilots on the 7-deuce had a largish knob in the
>> center of the autopilot control panel on the pedestal to force the
>> aircraft into a coordinated turn. The knob was about the diameter of
>> a beer can and about a cigarette pack high. THey were indented about
>> the center arrow so that your had fit onto the knob nicely.
>
> That sounds like it! Thanks. Except I don't know what a 7-deuce is.

of course you don't fjukktard. You don't even know what an autopilot or
a co-ordinated turn is.

Fjukkwit.


Bertie

[Bryan[_2_]]

Mike Hunt wrote:
> Luke Skywalker wrote:
>
>> On May 7, 4:33 pm, Mike Hunt <postmaster@localhost> wrote:
>>
>>> Luke Skywalker wrote:
>>>
>>>>> But if she has any doubts she can just call the Tower and we'll talk
>>>>> her through it.
>>>
>>>>> Patroni
>>>
>>>> Both Doris Day and Lauren Holly did that quite well!
>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>
>>> Striker.......
>>
>>
>> THE SARGE....
>>
>> What was the L. Bridges line..."It is a bad day to give up glue
>> sniffing!"
>>
>> both those were just well done...I was sort of amazed that I laughed
>> as hard at the second one as I did on the first one...
>>
>> "You can tell me, I am a Doctor"
>
> What can you make of this?

This? Why, I can make a hat or a brooch or a pterodactyl

[Bertie the Bunyip[_2_]]

d&tm" > wrote in
:

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> . 130...
>> Mxsmanic > wrote in
>> :
>>
>> > I recall seeing, long ago, a sort of large knob on the pedestal of
>> > a jet (I can't remember which kind) that, when turned, put the
>> > aircraft into a coordinated turn ... at least if I recall
>> > correctly. No modern jets seem to have anything like this.
>>
>> You're an idiot.
>>
>> Send me $500 and I'll tell you all about it.
>>
> Bertie
> Do you have any reason for reading this newsgroup other than to make
> repeated juvenile comments about mxsmanic?


I do now, fjukkwit.



Bertie

[Marcel Kuijper]

"Mike Hunt" wrote:

> Striker.......

"Striker! Striker! Striker! Striker! STRIKER!!"
<man in controlroom hits woman in controlroom>
"Ted Striker?"


Marcel

[Marcel Kuijper]

> > Luke Skywalker wrote:

> "You can tell me, I am a Doctor"

"Well...not for another two hours."
"You can't tell me for another two hours?"
"No I mean we can't land for another two hours."

:-))


Marcel