SeeYou Single Person License

[Jim Vincent]

I was going to buy a copy of SeeYou from a friend since he uses Strepla for
his flight reviews. He contacted SeeYou, and they told him that the license
was specific to him only. My understanding of the US Uniform Commercial
Code does not allow for single user restraints down to a specific user, it
only allows for constrains as to the quantity of users. For the legal types
out there, what is the legality of designating a license to a specific
person?

[Tuno]

Does it matter? (What are you going to do, sue Naviter?!) Bend over,
grab your ankles and buy a new license. It's a wonderful product and
worth every penny.

2NO

[Jim Vincent]

Why should I buy a new license when I can buy the license from a friend at a
reduced cost?

"Tuno" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Does it matter? (What are you going to do, sue Naviter?!) Bend over,
> grab your ankles and buy a new license. It's a wonderful product and
> worth every penny.
>
> 2NO
>

[nimbusgb]

On 9 May, 19:12, "Jim Vincent" > wrote:
> Why should I buy a new license when I can buy the license from a friend at a
> reduced cost?
>
> "Tuno" > wrote in message
>
> oups.com...
>
> > Does it matter? (What are you going to do, sue Naviter?!) Bend over,
> > grab your ankles and buy a new license. It's a wonderful product and
> > worth every penny.
>
> > 2NO

1 - Because thats what the original purchaser agreed to when he
purchased the product

2 - Because the product is developed and sold under European law. Dont
like it dont buy it!

Why are glider pilots such cheapskates? - they'll spend 100k on a ship
and then baulk at spending 10, 20 or 50 on some minor piece of
equipment.

[Jim Vincent]

Plus, is this legal in the US to have a person specific license? IIRC, it
breaches commerce and merchantability clauses.
"Jim Vincent" > wrote in message
...
> Why should I buy a new license when I can buy the license from a friend at
> a reduced cost?
>
> "Tuno" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>> Does it matter? (What are you going to do, sue Naviter?!) Bend over,
>> grab your ankles and buy a new license. It's a wonderful product and
>> worth every penny.
>>
>> 2NO
>>
>
>

[01-- Zero One]

"Jim Vincent" > wrote in message
:

> Why should I buy a new license when I can buy the license from a friend at a
> reduced cost?
>





Because he doesn't own the software. He only has a license to use it
and that license has conditions on it.



From SeeYou's point of view, how can they know that your friend is not
still using it after he has "sold" the license to you?



Zero One

USA

[Jim Vincent]

And that license, if selling in the US, has to comply with US law.

Regarding the license on his version, there is no way of transferring a license. The key might allow 1-2 installs only.

He emailed them.
"01-- Zero One" > wrote in message ...
"Jim Vincent" > wrote in message :

> Why should I buy a new license when I can buy the license from a friend at a
> reduced cost?
>





Because he doesn't own the software. He only has a license to use it and that license has conditions on it.



From SeeYou's point of view, how can they know that your friend is not still using it after he has "sold" the license to you?



Zero One

USA

[Jim Vincent]

Does European law allow for a specified user? That means that if you want
to sell it, you can't. Is that the way you prefer your purchases? Would
you buy a car if you knew you could not sell it?

We're not cheapskates, we're smart.

"nimbusgb" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> On 9 May, 19:12, "Jim Vincent" > wrote:
>> Why should I buy a new license when I can buy the license from a friend
>> at a
>> reduced cost?
>>
>> "Tuno" > wrote in message
>>
>> oups.com...
>>
>> > Does it matter? (What are you going to do, sue Naviter?!) Bend over,
>> > grab your ankles and buy a new license. It's a wonderful product and
>> > worth every penny.
>>
>> > 2NO
>
> 1 - Because thats what the original purchaser agreed to when he
> purchased the product
>
> 2 - Because the product is developed and sold under European law. Dont
> like it dont buy it!
>
> Why are glider pilots such cheapskates? - they'll spend 100k on a ship
> and then baulk at spending 10, 20 or 50 on some minor piece of
> equipment.
>

[Nyal Williams]

'Apparently you did not read the licensing agreement
for your Microsoft software; it has the same provisions.
You are supposed to erase it before you sell or give
away your computer. You did not buy the software;
you paid for the privilege of using it; you bought
the disc it came on, but you rented the software encoded
there.

At 19:00 09 May 2007, Jim Vincent wrote:
>Does European law allow for a specified user? That
>means that if you want
>to sell it, you can't. Is that the way you prefer
>your purchases? Would
>you buy a car if you knew you could not sell it?
>
>We're not cheapskates, we're smart.
>
>'nimbusgb' wrote in message
oups.com...
>> On 9 May, 19:12, 'Jim Vincent' wrote:
>>> Why should I buy a new license when I can buy the
>>>license from a friend
>>> at a
>>> reduced cost?
>>>
>>> 'Tuno' wrote in message
>>>
>>> oups.com...
>>>
>>> > Does it matter? (What are you going to do, sue Naviter?!)
>>>>Bend over,
>>> > grab your ankles and buy a new license. It's a wonderful
>>>>product and
>>> > worth every penny.
>>>
>>> > 2NO
>>
>> 1 - Because thats what the original purchaser agreed
>>to when he
>> purchased the product
>>
>> 2 - Because the product is developed and sold under
>>European law. Dont
>> like it dont buy it!
>>
>> Why are glider pilots such cheapskates? - they'll
>>spend 100k on a ship
>> and then baulk at spending 10, 20 or 50 on some minor
>>piece of
>> equipment.
>>
>
>
>

[Jim Vincent]

"Nyal Williams" > wrote in message
...
> 'Apparently you did not read the licensing agreement
> for your Microsoft software; it has the same provisions.
> You are supposed to erase it before you sell or give
> away your computer. You did not buy the software;
> you paid for the privilege of using it; you bought
> the disc it came on, but you rented the software encoded
> there.


This is fine with me...that is a standard EULA. As part of the sale, he
would remove SeeYou from his PC. Since he did not receive a physical disc
(it is a download), he would give me the license key specific to one user.

[Bruce]

Jim Vincent wrote:
> And that license, if selling in the US, has to comply with US law.
>
> Regarding the license on his version, there is no way of transferring a
> license. The key might allow 1-2 installs only.
>
> He emailed them.
>
> "01-- Zero One" >> wrote
> in message ...
>
> "Jim Vincent" >> wrote in
> message :
>
>> Why should I buy a new license when I can buy the license from a
> friend at a
>> reduced cost?
>>
>
>
>
> Because he doesn’t own the software. He only has a license to use
> it and that license has conditions on it.
>
>
>
> From SeeYou’s point of view, how can they know that your friend is
> not still using it after he has “sold” the license to you?
>
> Zero One
>
> USA
>

Erazem and company put a lot of work into the product. They decide how they want
to sell it. In this case you are buying a contractual right of use, not a
tangible product.

If you agree to the license restrictions at point of purchase, to me at any rate
you have a ethical obligation to comply with the rules. I don't care what arcane
laws you can find to justify a different position. It may be - in some bent way
"legal" in the USA, but it is unethical.

And then people wonder why products like Flarm are kept form the US market.

[Nyal Williams]

At 19:42 09 May 2007, Jim Vincent wrote:
>
>'Nyal Williams' wrote in message
...
>> 'Apparently you did not read the licensing agreement
>> for your Microsoft software; it has the same provisions.
>> You are supposed to erase it before you sell or give
>> away your computer. You did not buy the software;
>> you paid for the privilege of using it; you bought
>> the disc it came on, but you rented the software encoded
>> there.
>
>
>This is fine with me...that is a standard EULA. As
>part of the sale, he
>would remove SeeYou from his PC. Since he did not
>receive a physical disc
>(it is a download), he would give me the license key
>specific to one user.
>
A license is personal and not transferable; try to
borrow or buy someone else's driver's license. Read
your agreement with Microsoft; read his agreement with
SeeYou.

[01-- Zero One]

"Jim Vincent" > wrote in message
:

> "Nyal Williams" > wrote in message
> ...
> > 'Apparently you did not read the licensing agreement
> > for your Microsoft software; it has the same provisions.
> > You are supposed to erase it before you sell or give
> > away your computer. You did not buy the software;
> > you paid for the privilege of using it; you bought
> > the disc it came on, but you rented the software encoded
> > there.
>
>
> This is fine with me...that is a standard EULA. As part of the sale, he
> would remove SeeYou from his PC. Since he did not receive a physical disc
> (it is a download), he would give me the license key specific to one user.




Jim,



There is _NO WAY_ that they can be sure that the "seller" has removed it
completely from his system. The only true licensing schemes that work
are some _very_ onerous online licensing schemes, dongles, etc. that I
can assure you, you _really_ don't want to get into.... (read: Pain In
The Butt).



It is a good program, worth every penny. If you want to use it, pay
them. Or don't use it. Your choice. Simple as that.



My $0.02.



Zero One

USA

[Jim Vincent]

"Nyal Williams" > wrote in message
...
> At 19:42 09 May 2007, Jim Vincent wrote:
>>
>>'Nyal Williams' wrote in message
...
>>> 'Apparently you did not read the licensing agreement
>>> for your Microsoft software; it has the same provisions.
>>> You are supposed to erase it before you sell or give
>>> away your computer. You did not buy the software;
>>> you paid for the privilege of using it; you bought
>>> the disc it came on, but you rented the software encoded
>>> there.
>>
>>
>>This is fine with me...that is a standard EULA. As
>>part of the sale, he
>>would remove SeeYou from his PC. Since he did not
>>receive a physical disc
>>(it is a download), he would give me the license key
>>specific to one user.
>>
> A license is personal and not transferable; try to
> borrow or buy someone else's driver's license. Read
> your agreement with Microsoft; read his agreement with
> SeeYou.
>
>
A Driver's license is a totally different issue and not related here. Go
buy MS and you can transfer the license.

[Jim Vincent]

"01-- Zero One" > wrote in message . ..
"Jim Vincent" > wrote in message :

> "Nyal Williams" > wrote in message
> ...
> > 'Apparently you did not read the licensing agreement
> > for your Microsoft software; it has the same provisions.
> > You are supposed to erase it before you sell or give
> > away your computer. You did not buy the software;
> > you paid for the privilege of using it; you bought
> > the disc it came on, but you rented the software encoded
> > there.
>
>
> This is fine with me...that is a standard EULA. As part of the sale, he
> would remove SeeYou from his PC. Since he did not receive a physical disc
> (it is a download), he would give me the license key specific to one user.




Jim,



There is _NO WAY_ that they can be sure that the "seller" has removed it completely from his system. The only true licensing schemes that work are some _very_ onerous online licensing schemes, dongles, etc. that I can assure you, you _really_ don't want to get into.... (read: Pain In The Butt).



It is a good program, worth every penny. If you want to use it, pay them. Or don't use it. Your choice. Simple as that.



My $0.02.



Zero One

USA









I already have the older version. What you're not grasping is someone wants to sell their copy to me. They recoup some of their expense, and I save a little money. A well designed software easily tracks the number of users and licensees.

[Tuno]

<snip> A Driver's license is a totally different issue and not related
here. Go
buy MS and you can transfer the license </snip>

That is not true. MS operating system retail licenses (not to be
confused with OEM licenses) require you to get an activation from MS,
usually over the Internet. This license is not transferable. It
enables you to move it from one PC to another but only by getting
another activation from MS, which they are not obligated to provide if
they feel you are abusing the license.

OEM licenses are not transferable, period!

2NO

[01-- Zero One]

Jim,



There is _NO WAY_ that they can be sure that the seller has removed it
completely from his system. The only true licensing schemes that work
are some _very_ onerous online licensing schemes, dongles, etc. that I
can assure you, you _really_ dont want to get into.... (read: Pain In
The Butt).



It is a good program, worth every penny. If you want to use it, pay
them. Or dont use it. Your choice. Simple as that.



My $0.02.



Zero One

USA










I already have the older version. What you're not grasping is someone
wants to sell their copy to me. They recoup some of their expense, and
I save a little money. A well designed software easily tracks the
number of users and licensees.





Jim,



This seems to me to be a non-issue. I very well grasp that someone
wants to sell you something that he does not have the right to sell. It
is just not right to do so.



Since you have an older version already, you can purchase an upgrade to
the latest version at a substantially reduced price.



Zero One

USA

[Mike the Strike]

Air tickets have the same restriction and always have (nothing to do
with security). They sell you and you only a ride on the plane.
Don't believe me - try selling one!

Mike

[Mike Schumann]

In the US, Microsoft sells OEM licenses for its products that are tied to a
single PC. If the PC catches fire, you can't use the license on a
replacement PC. If you want to be able to move the license from one
computer to another, you need to by an end user license which is more money.

If it is legal to limit the license to a single PC, why wouldn't it be legal
to limit it to a single user?

Mike Schumann

"Jim Vincent" > wrote in message
. ..
> Plus, is this legal in the US to have a person specific license? IIRC, it
> breaches commerce and merchantability clauses.
> "Jim Vincent" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Why should I buy a new license when I can buy the license from a friend
>> at a reduced cost?
>>
>> "Tuno" > wrote in message
>> oups.com...
>>> Does it matter? (What are you going to do, sue Naviter?!) Bend over,
>>> grab your ankles and buy a new license. It's a wonderful product and
>>> worth every penny.
>>>
>>> 2NO
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



--
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[Nyal Williams]

Maybe you are right; let's test it. Buy the stuff
and the key, put it on your PC, and report what you
have done to Microsoft. Game?

At 20:54 09 May 2007, Jim Vincent wrote:
>
>'Nyal Williams' wrote in message
...
>> At 19:42 09 May 2007, Jim Vincent wrote:
>>>
>>>'Nyal Williams' wrote in message
...
>>>> 'Apparently you did not read the licensing agreement
>>>> for your Microsoft software; it has the same provisions.
>>>> You are supposed to erase it before you sell or give
>>>> away your computer. You did not buy the software;
>>>> you paid for the privilege of using it; you bought
>>>> the disc it came on, but you rented the software encoded
>>>> there.
>>>
>>>
>>>This is fine with me...that is a standard EULA. As
>>>part of the sale, he
>>>would remove SeeYou from his PC. Since he did not
>>>receive a physical disc
>>>(it is a download), he would give me the license key
>>>specific to one user.
>>>
>> A license is personal and not transferable; try to
>> borrow or buy someone else's driver's license. Read
>> your agreement with Microsoft; read his agreement
>>with
>> SeeYou.
>>
>>
>A Driver's license is a totally different issue and
>not related here. Go
>buy MS and you can transfer the license.
>
>
>

[Chris Reed[_1_]]

Jim Vincent wrote:
> I was going to buy a copy of SeeYou from a friend since he uses Strepla for
> his flight reviews. He contacted SeeYou, and they told him that the license
> was specific to him only. My understanding of the US Uniform Commercial
> Code does not allow for single user restraints down to a specific user, it
> only allows for constrains as to the quantity of users. For the legal types
> out there, what is the legality of designating a license to a specific
> person?
>
>
Jim,

This type of license conforms with US law as well as with European law.
Caveat - I'm not a US lawyer, but am Professor of Electronic Commerce
Law in London and know enough US federal law (which is primarily what is
involved here) to be sure of my statement. You might find some loophole
in your State consumer law, but not in the Uniform Commercial Code.

Put yourself in the position of Naviter, trying to service a tiny world
market, and ask if they could control transferrable licenses well enough
to stay in business.

So I'd say that both the legality and morality are on their side, not yours.

[John Galloway[_1_]]

Does a SeeYou license key work on a different computer
anyway? When I bought a laptop I couldn't get my
desktop SeeYou key to work on it and bought a second
license.

John Galloway


At 09:18 10 May 2007, Chris Reed wrote:
>Jim Vincent wrote:
>> I was going to buy a copy of SeeYou from a friend
>>since he uses Strepla for
>> his flight reviews. He contacted SeeYou, and they
>>told him that the license
>> was specific to him only. My understanding of the
>>US Uniform Commercial
>> Code does not allow for single user restraints down
>>to a specific user, it
>> only allows for constrains as to the quantity of users.
>>For the legal types
>> out there, what is the legality of designating a license
>>to a specific
>> person?
>>
>>
>Jim,
>
>This type of license conforms with US law as well as
>with European law.
>Caveat - I'm not a US lawyer, but am Professor of Electronic
>Commerce
>Law in London and know enough US federal law (which
>is primarily what is
>involved here) to be sure of my statement. You might
>find some loophole
>in your State consumer law, but not in the Uniform
>Commercial Code.
>
>Put yourself in the position of Naviter, trying to
>service a tiny world
>market, and ask if they could control transferrable
>licenses well enough
>to stay in business.
>
>So I'd say that both the legality and morality are
>on their side, not yours.
>

[Bruce]

John Galloway wrote:
> Does a SeeYou license key work on a different computer
> anyway? When I bought a laptop I couldn't get my
> desktop SeeYou key to work on it and bought a second
> license.
Licence transfers no problem - you do have to contact Naviter to get a key. My
software is on it's third PC. (and second upgrade)

Bruce

[HL Falbaum]

My SeeYou key works on my desktop and laptop. Both are Dell Compters.

--
Hartley Falbaum
"John Galloway" > wrote in message
...
> Does a SeeYou license key work on a different computer
> anyway? When I bought a laptop I couldn't get my
> desktop SeeYou key to work on it and bought a second
> license.
>
> John Galloway
>
>
> At 09:18 10 May 2007, Chris Reed wrote:
>>Jim Vincent wrote:
>>> I was going to buy a copy of SeeYou from a friend
>>>since he uses Strepla for
>>> his flight reviews. He contacted SeeYou, and they
>>>told him that the license
>>> was specific to him only. My understanding of the
>>>US Uniform Commercial
>>> Code does not allow for single user restraints down
>>>to a specific user, it
>>> only allows for constrains as to the quantity of users.
>>>For the legal types
>>> out there, what is the legality of designating a license
>>>to a specific
>>> person?
>>>
>>>
>>Jim,
>>
>>This type of license conforms with US law as well as
>>with European law.
>>Caveat - I'm not a US lawyer, but am Professor of Electronic
>>Commerce
>>Law in London and know enough US federal law (which
>>is primarily what is
>>involved here) to be sure of my statement. You might
>>find some loophole
>>in your State consumer law, but not in the Uniform
>>Commercial Code.
>>
>>Put yourself in the position of Naviter, trying to
>>service a tiny world
>>market, and ask if they could control transferrable
>>licenses well enough
>>to stay in business.
>>
>>So I'd say that both the legality and morality are
>>on their side, not yours.
>>
>
>

[Brian[_1_]]

>
> Why are glider pilots such cheapskates? - they'll spend 100k on a ship
> and then baulk at spending 10, 20 or 50 on some minor piece of
> equipment.

Some of us are cheapskates because we can't afford anything else.

I fly an $11,000 glider that I have owned for almost 10 years, Drive a
$1,500 Car.

Last year I paid...
$144 Insurance
$64 SSA Membership
$75 Annual
$10 State Registration
$550 for Glider Tows.
for a yearly total budget of about $843
I would love to have SeeYou but it costs almost 21% of my annual
soaring budget.

Brian

[Tuno]

It only costs you that one time, Brian, like the money you spent on
your glider, which you forgot to include in your annual soaring
budget.

Of course, if you don't want the software that's fine, but to anyone
who feels the impulse to skirt the license issue, remember those folks
at Naviter have mouths to feed too, and they are not getting rich on
this product.

2NO

[[email protected]]

On May 10, 12:51 pm, Brian > wrote:
> > Why are glider pilots such cheapskates? - they'll spend 100k on a ship
> > and then baulk at spending 10, 20 or 50 on some minor piece of
> > equipment.
>
> Some of us are cheapskates because we can't afford anything else.
>
> I fly an $11,000 glider that I have owned for almost 10 years, Drive a
> $1,500 Car.
>
> Last year I paid...
> $144 Insurance
> $64 SSA Membership
> $75 Annual
> $10 State Registration
> $550 for Glider Tows.
> for a yearly total budget of about $843
> I would love to have SeeYou but it costs almost 21% of my annual
> soaring budget.
>
> Brian

Get a proper job then ;)

Al

[Paul Remde]

Hi John,

SeeYou keys are not tied to PC serial numbers. You can install it on as
many of your PCs as you like without any need for additional keys. The same
is true for SeeYou Mobile.

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com

"John Galloway" > wrote in message
...
> Does a SeeYou license key work on a different computer
> anyway? When I bought a laptop I couldn't get my
> desktop SeeYou key to work on it and bought a second
> license.
>
> John Galloway
>
>
> At 09:18 10 May 2007, Chris Reed wrote:
>>Jim Vincent wrote:
>>> I was going to buy a copy of SeeYou from a friend
>>>since he uses Strepla for
>>> his flight reviews. He contacted SeeYou, and they
>>>told him that the license
>>> was specific to him only. My understanding of the
>>>US Uniform Commercial
>>> Code does not allow for single user restraints down
>>>to a specific user, it
>>> only allows for constrains as to the quantity of users.
>>>For the legal types
>>> out there, what is the legality of designating a license
>>>to a specific
>>> person?
>>>
>>>
>>Jim,
>>
>>This type of license conforms with US law as well as
>>with European law.
>>Caveat - I'm not a US lawyer, but am Professor of Electronic
>>Commerce
>>Law in London and know enough US federal law (which
>>is primarily what is
>>involved here) to be sure of my statement. You might
>>find some loophole
>>in your State consumer law, but not in the Uniform
>>Commercial Code.
>>
>>Put yourself in the position of Naviter, trying to
>>service a tiny world
>>market, and ask if they could control transferrable
>>licenses well enough
>>to stay in business.
>>
>>So I'd say that both the legality and morality are
>>on their side, not yours.
>>
>
>

[Brian[_1_]]

> Why are glider pilots such cheapskates? - they'll spend 100k on a ship
> and then baulk at spending 10, 20 or 50 on some minor piece of
> equipment.

The point of my previous post is that for guy that learned fly by
delivering pizza's while going to college. I think we do a real dis-
service to the sport by stereotyping glider pilots (even power pilots)
as a rich people. The General public does this well enough on its own
and as a result you see silly proposals like user fees for those "rich
people" that fly airplanes..

Brian
CFIIG/ASEL
HP16T

[Brian[_1_]]

On May 10, 2:46 pm, " >
wrote:
> On May 10, 12:51 pm, Brian > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > > Why are glider pilots such cheapskates? - they'll spend 100k on a ship
> > > and then baulk at spending 10, 20 or 50 on some minor piece of
> > > equipment.
>
> > Some of us are cheapskates because we can't afford anything else.
>
> > I fly an $11,000 glider that I have owned for almost 10 years, Drive a
> > $1,500 Car.
>
> > Last year I paid...
> > $144 Insurance
> > $64 SSA Membership
> > $75 Annual
> > $10 State Registration
> > $550 for Glider Tows.
> > for a yearly total budget of about $843
> > I would love to have SeeYou but it costs almost 21% of my annual
> > soaring budget.
>
> > Brian
>
> Get a proper job then ;)
>
> Al- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Yeah, yeah,

I should give up on this flight instruction thing and get a real job.
But I have some much fun doing it.

Brian
CFIIG/ASEL

[Wayne Paul]

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> On May 10, 12:51 pm, Brian > wrote:
>> > Why are glider pilots such cheapskates? - they'll spend 100k on a ship
>> > and then baulk at spending 10, 20 or 50 on some minor piece of
>> > equipment.
>>
>> Some of us are cheapskates because we can't afford anything else.
>>
>> I fly an $11,000 glider that I have owned for almost 10 years, Drive a
>> $1,500 Car.
>>
>> Last year I paid...
>> $144 Insurance
>> $64 SSA Membership
>> $75 Annual
>> $10 State Registration
>> $550 for Glider Tows.
>> for a yearly total budget of about $843
>> I would love to have SeeYou but it costs almost 21% of my annual
>> soaring budget.
>>
>> Brian
>
> Get a proper job then ;)
>
> Al

That is about the rudest comment I have seen in year.

With attitudes like that, I am beginning to understand why we don't see more
young people in the soaring community.

There are many of us who fly what they can afford; however, we do fly and we
enjoy it. Yes we could spend more on the sport if soaring was the only
thing in our life that we considered important.

Wayne
HP-14 "6F"
http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder

[Eric Greenwell]

Paul Remde wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> SeeYou keys are not tied to PC serial numbers. You can install it on as
> many of your PCs as you like without any need for additional keys. The same
> is true for SeeYou Mobile.

I think this is a very flexible, user-friendly method, since I can have
SeeYou on my PC for home use and on the laptop when I travel without any
hassle. I can have a copy of Mobile on my Ipaq 3835 that I normally use
in the glider, and a copy on my Ipaq 2215 that I use as a backup to the
3835 (the 2215 normally runs TomTom to direct my motorhome to the
nearest airport when the cu start popping!). Mobile isn't tied to a
particular vario serial number, either, so I can switch varios just by
switching a plug.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA
* Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly
* "Transponders in Sailplanes" http://tinyurl.com/y739x4
* "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" at www.motorglider.org

[Roger Worden]

And in my experience they have been very helpful with technical questions,
at no charge.

"Tuno" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> It only costs you that one time, Brian, like the money you spent on
> your glider, which you forgot to include in your annual soaring
> budget.
>
> Of course, if you don't want the software that's fine, but to anyone
> who feels the impulse to skirt the license issue, remember those folks
> at Naviter have mouths to feed too, and they are not getting rich on
> this product.
>
> 2NO
>
>