Got My Ticket today!!!!

[CareBear]

After an additional 5.5 hours practicing forward slips to a landing and soft
field landings, I got my ticket today. I will admit it is exciting to
finally get your ticket >>checking to see if it's truly mine, yep, has my
name on it<<.

Now that the "pressure" is off, I plan to just fly and enjoy the scenery
while continuing to learn as much as I can concerning aviation.

Total hours - 78.4
Total time - First flight 5/1306....PPL ASEL Flight 5/12/06. (Should have
waited 1 more day to make it an even year :))
Total cost - $4137.00 - this includes everything - instructor, fuel, books,
sectionals, etc.

My plan is to forge on and get Instrument Rated.

Thanks to all those who gave me moral support when I failed the first time.
--
CareBear

[Jose]

Congratulations!

> Total time - First flight 5/1306....PPL ASEL Flight 5/12/06. (Should have
> waited 1 more day to make it an even year :))

It was exactly one year. Had you waited a day, it would have been a
year and a day.

Jose
--
Quantum Mechanics is like this: God =does= play dice with the universe,
except there's no God, and there's no dice. And maybe there's no universe.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Good job CB, and the best of luck with the IR.
Dudley Henriques


"CareBear" > wrote in message
...
> After an additional 5.5 hours practicing forward slips to a landing and
> soft field landings, I got my ticket today. I will admit it is exciting
> to finally get your ticket >>checking to see if it's truly mine, yep, has
> my name on it<<.
>
> Now that the "pressure" is off, I plan to just fly and enjoy the scenery
> while continuing to learn as much as I can concerning aviation.
>
> Total hours - 78.4
> Total time - First flight 5/1306....PPL ASEL Flight 5/12/06. (Should have
> waited 1 more day to make it an even year :))
> Total cost - $4137.00 - this includes everything - instructor, fuel,
> books, sectionals, etc.
>
> My plan is to forge on and get Instrument Rated.
>
> Thanks to all those who gave me moral support when I failed the first
> time.
> --
> CareBear
>

[CareBear]

Jose you are correct. I was looking at the 2 dates.

Thanks,

--
CareBear
"Jose" > wrote in message
. ..
> Congratulations!
>
>> Total time - First flight 5/1306....PPL ASEL Flight 5/12/06. (Should
>> have waited 1 more day to make it an even year :))
>
> It was exactly one year. Had you waited a day, it would have been a year
> and a day.
>
> Jose
> --
> Quantum Mechanics is like this: God =does= play dice with the universe,
> except there's no God, and there's no dice. And maybe there's no
> universe.
> for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[Mark Hansen]

On 05/12/07 12:07, CareBear wrote:
> After an additional 5.5 hours practicing forward slips to a landing and soft
> field landings, I got my ticket today. I will admit it is exciting to
> finally get your ticket >>checking to see if it's truly mine, yep, has my
> name on it<<.

Congratulations, CB!

>
> Now that the "pressure" is off, I plan to just fly and enjoy the scenery
> while continuing to learn as much as I can concerning aviation.

That's a really good plan. Get out there and fly, as often as you can.

>
> Total hours - 78.4
> Total time - First flight 5/1306....PPL ASEL Flight 5/12/06. (Should have
> waited 1 more day to make it an even year :))
> Total cost - $4137.00 - this includes everything - instructor, fuel, books,
> sectionals, etc.

That's pretty cheap. I think I estimated that it ran me something like $7500
or so...

>
> My plan is to forge on and get Instrument Rated.
>
> Thanks to all those who gave me moral support when I failed the first time.

Well, you never really failed, did you? You just didn't pass until today ;-)

Best of luck on the IR. I had a lot of fun getting mine.


--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane, USUA Ultralight Pilot
Cal Aggie Flying Farmers
Sacramento, CA

[kontiki]

CareBear wrote:
>
> My plan is to forge on and get Instrument Rated.

Good plan. There is never a better time to start on that then now
because you are at the peak of your training and confidence level.
>
> Thanks to all those who gave me moral support when I failed the first time.

Oh and Congratulations! You have just accomplished what a very
small percentage of people in the world have done. Do some flying
now to enjoy your success... but try and make them cross countries
because you need 50 hours for the Instrument rating!

All the best and keep the greasy side down.

[B A R R Y]

On Sat, 12 May 2007 14:07:47 -0500, "CareBear" >
wrote:

>After an additional 5.5 hours practicing forward slips to a landing and soft
>field landings, I got my ticket today.

Excellent!

Enjoy the freedom!

[Vaughn Simon]

"CareBear" > wrote in message
...
> After an additional 5.5 hours practicing forward slips to a landing and soft
> field landings, I got my ticket today.

Way to go! Now we get to teach you the secret "licensed pilot" handshake.

Welcome to the club.

Vaughn

[H. Adam Stevens]

"Vaughn Simon" > wrote in message
...
>
> "CareBear" > wrote in message
> ...
>> After an additional 5.5 hours practicing forward slips to a landing and
>> soft field landings, I got my ticket today.
>
> Way to go! Now we get to teach you the secret "licensed pilot"
> handshake.
>
> Welcome to the club.
>
> Vaughn
>

Yeah
What Vaughn said.
Got mine 7/9/67.
What handshake?
;*)

[Dallas]

On Sat, 12 May 2007 14:07:47 -0500, CareBear wrote:

Whoa!... Way to go! Congratulations


> Total hours - 78.4
> Total cost - $4137.00 - this includes everything - instructor, fuel, books,

I've got to assume you own the aircraft?


--
Dallas

[CareBear]

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
...
> Good job CB, and the best of luck with the IR.
> Dudley Henriques
>

Thanks Dudley.

--
CareBear

[CareBear]

"Mark Hansen" > wrote in message
...
> On 05/12/07 12:07, CareBear wrote:
>> After an additional 5.5 hours practicing forward slips to a landing and
>> soft
>> field landings, I got my ticket today. I will admit it is exciting to
>> finally get your ticket >>checking to see if it's truly mine, yep, has my
>> name on it<<.
>
> Congratulations, CB!
>
>>
>> Now that the "pressure" is off, I plan to just fly and enjoy the scenery
>> while continuing to learn as much as I can concerning aviation.
>
> That's a really good plan. Get out there and fly, as often as you can.
>
>>
>> Total hours - 78.4
>> Total time - First flight 5/1306....PPL ASEL Flight 5/12/06. (Should
>> have
>> waited 1 more day to make it an even year :))
>> Total cost - $4137.00 - this includes everything - instructor, fuel,
>> books,
>> sectionals, etc.
>
> That's pretty cheap. I think I estimated that it ran me something like
> $7500
> or so...
>
>>
>> My plan is to forge on and get Instrument Rated.
>>
>> Thanks to all those who gave me moral support when I failed the first
>> time.
>
> Well, you never really failed, did you? You just didn't pass until today
> ;-)
>
> Best of luck on the IR. I had a lot of fun getting mine.
>
>
> --
> Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane, USUA Ultralight Pilot
> Cal Aggie Flying Farmers
> Sacramento, CA

I appreciate the complement. Maybe I didn't fail the first time...just took
a brief intermission.

--
CareBear

[CareBear]

"kontiki" > wrote in message
...
> CareBear wrote:
>>
>> My plan is to forge on and get Instrument Rated.
>
> Good plan. There is never a better time to start on that then now
> because you are at the peak of your training and confidence level.
>>
>> Thanks to all those who gave me moral support when I failed the first
>> time.
>
> Oh and Congratulations! You have just accomplished what a very
> small percentage of people in the world have done. Do some flying
> now to enjoy your success... but try and make them cross countries
> because you need 50 hours for the Instrument rating!
>
> All the best and keep the greasy side down.
>
>

Thanks,

--
CareBear

[CareBear]

"B A R R Y" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 12 May 2007 14:07:47 -0500, "CareBear" >
> wrote:
>
>>After an additional 5.5 hours practicing forward slips to a landing and
>>soft
>>field landings, I got my ticket today.
>
> Excellent!
>
> Enjoy the freedom!

Will do!!! Thanks,

--
CareBear

[CareBear]

"Vaughn Simon" > wrote in message
...
>
> "CareBear" > wrote in message
> ...
>> After an additional 5.5 hours practicing forward slips to a landing and
>> soft field landings, I got my ticket today.
>
> Way to go! Now we get to teach you the secret "licensed pilot"
> handshake.
>
> Welcome to the club.
>
> Vaughn
>

Wow! Can't wait to learn the handshake!

--
CareBear

[CareBear]

"Dallas" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 12 May 2007 14:07:47 -0500, CareBear wrote:
>
> Whoa!... Way to go! Congratulations
>
>
>> Total hours - 78.4
>> Total cost - $4137.00 - this includes everything - instructor, fuel,
>> books,
>
> I've got to assume you own the aircraft?
>
>
> --
> Dallas

No I don't own the aircraft. The cost included the plane $68-$70 per hour
wet. Thanks for the congrats.

--
CareBear

[Bob Moore]

CareBear wrote

>>> Total hours - 78.4
>>> Total cost - $4137.00 - this includes everything - instructor, fuel,
>>> books,
> No I don't own the aircraft. The cost included the plane $68-$70 per
> hour wet. Thanks for the congrats.

Let's see....78.4 hours times $69 per hour equals roughly $5400 plus
probably 30-40 hours of instructor time at $20-$25 per hour ($750)
equals somewhere around $6150 plus misc fees.

Oh! I see....the $4137 figure is what you tell your wife. :-)

Bob Moore

[CareBear]

--
CareBear
"Bob Moore" > wrote in message
46.128...
> CareBear wrote
>
>>>> Total hours - 78.4
>>>> Total cost - $4137.00 - this includes everything - instructor, fuel,
>>>> books,
>> No I don't own the aircraft. The cost included the plane $68-$70 per
>> hour wet. Thanks for the congrats.
>
> Let's see....78.4 hours times $69 per hour equals roughly $5400 plus
> probably 30-40 hours of instructor time at $20-$25 per hour ($750)
> equals somewhere around $6150 plus misc fees.
>
> Oh! I see....the $4137 figure is what you tell your wife. :-)
>
> Bob Moore
>

Good catch Bob. I obviously overlooked or didn't record something in my
calculations. Even if I use your figure of $5400.00 it is still a
reasonable cost as far as I am concerned. The instructor time is built into
the hourly cost. That is, the $68-$70 per hour includes the instructor,
airplane, and fuel. Sorry for the miscalculation.

--
CareBear

[Mark Hansen]

On 05/12/07 17:03, CareBear wrote:
> "Mark Hansen" > wrote in message
>>
>> Well, you never really failed, did you? You just didn't pass until today
>> ;-)
>>
>> Best of luck on the IR. I had a lot of fun getting mine.
>>
>>
>
> I appreciate the complement. Maybe I didn't fail the first time...just took
> a brief intermission.
>

Well, I originally starting flying lessons in 1986 and had to stop before
my long solo cross-country. I didn't get back in the air until 2004, so
you've got me beat ;-)


--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane, USUA Ultralight Pilot
Cal Aggie Flying Farmers
Sacramento, CA

[Mark Hansen]

On 05/12/07 14:48, kontiki wrote:
> CareBear wrote:
>>
>> My plan is to forge on and get Instrument Rated.
>
> Good plan. There is never a better time to start on that then now
> because you are at the peak of your training and confidence level.
>>
>> Thanks to all those who gave me moral support when I failed the first time.
>
> Oh and Congratulations! You have just accomplished what a very
> small percentage of people in the world have done. Do some flying
> now to enjoy your success... but try and make them cross countries
> because you need 50 hours for the Instrument rating!

Well, not if you want to go Part 141. The 50-hour minimum is waived.

I don't want to argue that it's better one way or the other...

>
> All the best and keep the greasy side down.
>
>



--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane, USUA Ultralight Pilot
Cal Aggie Flying Farmers
Sacramento, CA

[Mike 'Flyin'8']

>"Bob Moore" > wrote in message
46.128...
>> CareBear wrote
>>
>>>>> Total hours - 78.4
>>>>> Total cost - $4137.00 - this includes everything - instructor, fuel,
>>>>> books,
>>> No I don't own the aircraft. The cost included the plane $68-$70 per
>>> hour wet. Thanks for the congrats.
>>
>> Let's see....78.4 hours times $69 per hour equals roughly $5400 plus
>> probably 30-40 hours of instructor time at $20-$25 per hour ($750)
>> equals somewhere around $6150 plus misc fees.
>>
>> Oh! I see....the $4137 figure is what you tell your wife. :-)
>>
>> Bob Moore
>>
>
>Good catch Bob. I obviously overlooked or didn't record something in my
>calculations. Even if I use your figure of $5400.00 it is still a
>reasonable cost as far as I am concerned. The instructor time is built into
>the hourly cost. That is, the $68-$70 per hour includes the instructor,
>airplane, and fuel. Sorry for the miscalculation.


Either way, that is a smokin deal. You took almost as many hours as
me to finish. It took me a few weeks over a year and somewhere around
80 hours.

Congrats on your ticket, now go enjoy it!



Mike Alexander
PP-ASEL
Temecula, CA
See my online aerial photo album at
http://flying.4alexanders.com

[[email protected]]

On May 12, 12:07 pm, "CareBear" > wrote:
> After an additional 5.5 hours practicing forward slips to a landing and soft
> field landings, I got my ticket today. I will admit it is exciting to
> finally get your ticket >>checking to see if it's truly mine, yep, has my
> name on it<<.
>
> Now that the "pressure" is off, I plan to just fly and enjoy the scenery
> while continuing to learn as much as I can concerning aviation.
>
> Total hours - 78.4
> Total time - First flight 5/1306....PPL ASEL Flight 5/12/06. (Should have
> waited 1 more day to make it an even year :))
> Total cost - $4137.00 - this includes everything - instructor, fuel, books,
> sectionals, etc.
>
> My plan is to forge on and get Instrument Rated.
>
> Thanks to all those who gave me moral support when I failed the first time.
> --
> CareBear

Congrats!!! I'm sure you will enjoy the ticket even more as the years
go by! I know I have.

Bud

[Mortimer Schnerd, RN[_2_]]

CareBear wrote:
> Good catch Bob. I obviously overlooked or didn't record something in my
> calculations. Even if I use your figure of $5400.00 it is still a
> reasonable cost as far as I am concerned. The instructor time is built into
> the hourly cost. That is, the $68-$70 per hour includes the instructor,
> airplane, and fuel. Sorry for the miscalculation.


I was whining at work about the high cost of rentals these days. I can't seem
to find anything to fly for less than $100 or so per hour wet. Looks like you
found a bargain.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

[CareBear]

"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" <mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com> wrote in message
...
> CareBear wrote:
>> Good catch Bob. I obviously overlooked or didn't record something in my
>> calculations. Even if I use your figure of $5400.00 it is still a
>> reasonable cost as far as I am concerned. The instructor time is built
>> into
>> the hourly cost. That is, the $68-$70 per hour includes the instructor,
>> airplane, and fuel. Sorry for the miscalculation.
>
>
> I was whining at work about the high cost of rentals these days. I can't
> seem to find anything to fly for less than $100 or so per hour wet. Looks
> like you found a bargain.
>
>
>
> --
> Mortimer Schnerd, RN
> mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com
>

Yes the rental cost is not too bad. Unfortunately it may get worse if the
user fees/taxes proposal get passed.

--
CareBear

[Dallas]

On Sat, 12 May 2007 20:40:35 -0500, CareBear wrote:

> That is, the $68-$70 per hour includes the instructor,
> airplane, and fuel.

Wow... that's not a good deal... that's a fantastic deal.

--
Dallas

[B A R R Y]

On Sun, 13 May 2007 17:14:43 GMT, Dallas
> wrote:

>On Sat, 12 May 2007 20:40:35 -0500, CareBear wrote:
>
>> That is, the $68-$70 per hour includes the instructor,
>> airplane, and fuel.
>
>Wow... that's not a good deal... that's a fantastic deal.

You got that right! INCLUDING an instructor? WOW!

Here in CT, a Warrior or 172 goes ~$100 wet, the instructor is an
extra $45-50.

$68/hr is about what it costs me to fly the Sundowner I own, if I do
12-15 hours per month.

[Euan Kilgour]

On May 13, 7:07 am, "CareBear" > wrote:
> After an additional 5.5 hours practicing forward slips to a landing and soft
> field landings, I got my ticket today. I will admit it is exciting to
> finally get your ticket >>checking to see if it's truly mine, yep, has my
> name on it<<.
>
> Now that the "pressure" is off, I plan to just fly and enjoy the scenery
> while continuing to learn as much as I can concerning aviation.
>
> Total hours - 78.4
> Total time - First flight 5/1306....PPL ASEL Flight 5/12/06. (Should have
> waited 1 more day to make it an even year :))
> Total cost - $4137.00 - this includes everything - instructor, fuel, books,
> sectionals, etc.
>
> My plan is to forge on and get Instrument Rated.
>
> Thanks to all those who gave me moral support when I failed the first time.

Congratulations CareBear! Failure just makes success all the
sweeter. Go out and enjoy your license to learn.

[CareBear]

"B A R R Y" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 13 May 2007 17:14:43 GMT, Dallas
> > wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 12 May 2007 20:40:35 -0500, CareBear wrote:
>>
>>> That is, the $68-$70 per hour includes the instructor,
>>> airplane, and fuel.
>>
>>Wow... that's not a good deal... that's a fantastic deal.
>
> You got that right! INCLUDING an instructor? WOW!
>
> Here in CT, a Warrior or 172 goes ~$100 wet, the instructor is an
> extra $45-50.
>
> $68/hr is about what it costs me to fly the Sundowner I own, if I do
> 12-15 hours per month.

Barry, tell me the pros and cons of your Sundowner. I have a possible
opportunity to purchase one (1980 Model) but would like some info. I have
never flown one but am interested. All my training was in a C-152.

Thanks,

--
CareBear

[CareBear]

"Euan Kilgour" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> Congratulations CareBear! Failure just makes success all the
> sweeter. Go out and enjoy your license to learn.
>

Thanks, Euan. I plan on doing exactly that...flying to enjoy it and
learning at the same time.

--
CareBear

[Dallas]

On Sun, 13 May 2007 18:06:18 -0500, CareBear wrote:

> Barry, tell me the pros and cons of your Sundowner.

Hey, CB... I'm still impressed with your hourly costs, would you tell us
more?

What kind of aircraft is it? What does the instructor charge if you take
it up without him/her.


--
Dallas

[CareBear]

"Dallas" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 13 May 2007 18:06:18 -0500, CareBear wrote:
>
>> Barry, tell me the pros and cons of your Sundowner.
>
> Hey, CB... I'm still impressed with your hourly costs, would you tell us
> more?
>
> What kind of aircraft is it? What does the instructor charge if you take
> it up without him/her.
>
>
> --
> Dallas

Dallas, it is a Cessna 152. The hourly (Hobbs) price is $70.00 per hour
with or without the instructor. If fuel is needed you just tell the lineman
and they fill it up. The school (Cullman Folsom Field) is a part of Wallace
State
Community College in Cullman, AL and is Part 141. They also offer Part 61.

--
CareBear

[B A R R Y]

On Sun, 13 May 2007 18:06:18 -0500, "CareBear" >
wrote:
>
>Barry, tell me the pros and cons of your Sundowner. I have a possible
>opportunity to purchase one (1980 Model) but would like some info. I have
>never flown one but am interested.

Sure! First of all, there's an active type club at beechaeroclub.org.

Pros:
- Roomy. It's a few inches wider than a PA-28 or C172. Good sized
back seat with decent legroom, as well.
- Two front row doors on most, plus a baggage door.
- GREAT visibility. Big windshield with no posts, plenty of side
windows, and a wing set a tad back compared to a Cherokee. Traffic
easy to spot in VFR without airplane parts in the way.
- Very easy to fly. Sinks a tad faster when you pull the power than a
PA-28. I like the crosswind handling thanks to the slightly lower
float. Predictable stalls, easy slow flight, light and positive
controls. I switched to mine as a 20 hour, post-solo student with no
issues. None of the local instructors had flown one, but they react
positively after flying mine.
- Very durable landing gear, great on grass.
- Almost double the G ratings of a comparable Piper or Cessna. A very
strong airframe. The C23 airframe has aerobatic certification with
very little modification, mostly related to jettisoning the doors,
etc... This might be the "Buddy Lee" of 4 seaters.
- Easy to service. We haven't heard a single complaint from A&P's,
nor have we had to search out specialists.
- Slighty nose heavy. Almost impossible to exceed the rear CG while
still under gross with two in the front row. This plane LOVES rear
pax.
- Typically cheaper to buy than a comparable Piper or Cessna
- Standard dual static ports
- Non-electric flaps
- Fuel selector is in the center, accessible to either pilot
- Slight sprung connection from the ailerons to the rudder, helps turn
coordination automatically.
- Many were never FBO trainers.
- No normal-flight POH carb heat requirements, hot start vapor locks,
or flooded carb fires, that other manufacturers may have had.

Cons:
- Slightly nose heavy <G>. With two good sized guys, you need ballast
in the baggage hold. We've exceeded the forward CG limits with no
issues and done stalls and slow flight. However, I don't recommend
you do this, in fact you shouldn't!
- A few knots slower than a 180 HP PA-28 or 172. Hey, it's roomy!
- Very durable landing gear rides like the tires are solid rubber on
rough pavement.
- Parts availability. Some airframe parts can be expensive if they
have to come from Beechcraft. Not as many TSO'd aftermarket items (or
mods) as Piper or Cessna. The powerplant, prop, tires, lights,
brakes, instruments, radios, etc... are standard generic stuff, so
this isn't as big a deal as you'd think, but it deserves mention if
you happen to need something Beech specific.
- Our s/n range has slightly more unusable fuel than many, 7 gallons,
but it does carry 60. Some s/n's have as little as 2 unusable.
- Landing light isn't great on the ground without optional taxi light.

Neither, but deserve mention:
- Has a seemingly undeserved reputation for "porpoise" on landing from
a few folks who landed very fast on the nose gear. The truth is, the
same conditions probably would have set up a prop strike on an oleo
strut aircraft. Neither myself, my co-owner, or the four guys who
owned it before us have ever experienced it. Nobody in the Beech
Aero Club complains about it, either.
- Our s/n has a "tee" style control quadrant with a slide lock, which
I prefer over knobs.
- I really like the switch layout, ventilation system, and ergonomics,
but it's totally personal preference.
- You need brakes to turn while taxi. I never do on a PA-28, but I
cannot for the life of me, taxi a BE23 without brakes.
- _I_ think it's a good looking aircraft. <G> It's no Cessna
Cardinal or Grumman Tiger, but there's a lot uglier stuff on the
flight line.


Overall, I would buy ours again in a heartbeat. I think it flies
great and is very comfortable. I don't really notice a few knots on a
typical cross country. BAC members are extremely helpful and nice
folks. I've not heard negative comments from pilots who have actually
flown a Sundowner, only from those who never have, but that goes for
many non-Piper or Cessna aircraft.

Give it a good look and fly it as much as you can while your decide.

[CareBear]

"B A R R Y" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 13 May 2007 18:06:18 -0500, "CareBear" >
> wrote:
>>
> Overall, I would buy ours again in a heartbeat. I think it flies
> great and is very comfortable. I don't really notice a few knots on a
> typical cross country. BAC members are extremely helpful and nice
> folks. I've not heard negative comments from pilots who have actually
> flown a Sundowner, only from those who never have, but that goes for
> many non-Piper or Cessna aircraft.
>
> Give it a good look and fly it as much as you can while your decide.

Great info, thanks.

--
CareBear

[Margy Natalie]

>CareBear wrote:
>Good catch Bob. I obviously overlooked or didn't record something in >my
>calculations. Even if I use your figure of $5400.00 it is still a
>reasonable cost as far as I am concerned. The instructor time is
built >into
>the hourly cost. That is, the $68-$70 per hour includes the >instructor,
>airplane, and fuel. Sorry for the miscalculation.

>-- CareBear


You've learned the most important skill, airplane math! When we were
restoring the Navion we started adding up the bills and then decided
that was no fun. We have NO IDEA what the thing cost and we don't want
to know! You can't take it with you and the kids don't deserve it!

Have FUN, go buy a plane!

Margy

[Mortimer Schnerd, RN[_2_]]

B A R R Y wrote:
> Overall, I would buy ours again in a heartbeat. I think it flies
> great and is very comfortable. I don't really notice a few knots on a
> typical cross country. BAC members are extremely helpful and nice
> folks. I've not heard negative comments from pilots who have actually
> flown a Sundowner, only from those who never have, but that goes for
> many non-Piper or Cessna aircraft.
>
> Give it a good look and fly it as much as you can while your decide.


The only Beeches I've ever flown have been a T-34B and a Duchess. You make the
Sundowner sound very attractive and you wrote a damned fine assessment. Now I
want to look one over.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

[Mortimer Schnerd, RN[_2_]]

CareBear wrote:
> Thanks, Euan. I plan on doing exactly that...flying to enjoy it and
> learning at the same time.


Like somebody else already said, don't just go out and bore holes in the sky.
Go make some cross countries. They can be applied later when you try for the
instrument rating (the best one for making flying reliable) and possibly the
commercial (which can often sucker folks into flying with you who otherwise
wouldn't).



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

[Jay Honeck]

> After an additional 5.5 hours practicing forward slips to a landing and soft
> field landings, I got my ticket today.

Way to go! Congrats, and welcome to the growing (but still tiny)
group of humans who have mastered the skies.

Never forget that thousands of generations before us looked longingly,
fruitlessly at the sky -- and we are but lucky enough to live in an
era when we can truly fly!

Enjoy it, and cherish it.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Luke Skywalker]

On May 12, 2:07 pm, "CareBear" > wrote:
> After an additional 5.5 hours practicing forward slips to a landing and soft
> field landings, I got my ticket today. I will admit it is exciting to
> finally get your ticket >>checking to see if it's truly mine, yep, has my
> name on it<<.
>
> Now that the "pressure" is off, I plan to just fly and enjoy the scenery
> while continuing to learn as much as I can concerning aviation.
>
> Total hours - 78.4
> Total time - First flight 5/1306....PPL ASEL Flight 5/12/06. (Should have
> waited 1 more day to make it an even year :))
> Total cost - $4137.00 - this includes everything - instructor, fuel, books,
> sectionals, etc.
>
> My plan is to forge on and get Instrument Rated.
>
> Thanks to all those who gave me moral support when I failed the first time.
> --
> CareBear

Well done...and you are right in the "money" on the time it takes.

Make sure you get a copy of the ticket and keep it somewhere. I
almost didnt do that...and when I got the instrument they take the
ticket of course. The examiner was kind enough to ask me if I wanted
to get a copy.

Dont worry about the first time. You are a better pilot for it.
those "events" though somewhat painful are much more helpful then the
success in making a good pilot.

Again congrats

Robert

[Luke Skywalker]

On May 12, 2:07 pm, "CareBear" > wrote:
> After an additional 5.5 hours practicing forward slips to a landing and soft
> field landings, I got my ticket today. I will admit it is exciting to
> finally get your ticket >>checking to see if it's truly mine, yep, has my
> name on it<<.
>
> Now that the "pressure" is off, I plan to just fly and enjoy the scenery
> while continuing to learn as much as I can concerning aviation.
>
> Total hours - 78.4
> Total time - First flight 5/1306....PPL ASEL Flight 5/12/06. (Should have
> waited 1 more day to make it an even year :))
> Total cost - $4137.00 - this includes everything - instructor, fuel, books,
> sectionals, etc.
>
> My plan is to forge on and get Instrument Rated.
>
> Thanks to all those who gave me moral support when I failed the first time.
> --
> CareBear

One more thing, I probably saw it but forgot it. what plane?

Robert

[Jack Allison]

Congratulations! Your total time to PPL was very close to mine. As for
total costs, just north of $4K sounds pretty reasonable. I didn't total
my costs...too scared :-)

Enjoy your ticket. Good move planning on the instrument rating.


--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL-Instrument Airplane

"To become a Jedi knight, you must master a single force. To become
a private pilot you must strive to master four of them"
- Rod Machado

(Remove the obvious from address to reply via e-mail)

[Jack Allison]

Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:

> I was whining at work about the high cost of rentals these days. I can't seem
> to find anything to fly for less than $100 or so per hour wet. Looks like you
> found a bargain.
>
>
>
Yep, $100 wet for a C-172 is what I see as the going rate around here.
CB - your rates are sweet.


--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL-Instrument Airplane

"To become a Jedi knight, you must master a single force. To become
a private pilot you must strive to master four of them"
- Rod Machado

(Remove the obvious from address to reply via e-mail)

[B A R R Y[_2_]]

Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:
> The only Beeches I've ever flown have been a T-34B and a Duchess.
You make the
> Sundowner sound very attractive and you wrote a damned fine assessment. Now I
> want to look one over.


If you're ever in New England, NY, NJ, or PA... <G>

[Luke Skywalker]

On May 13, 8:00 pm, Margy Natalie > wrote:
> >CareBear wrote:
>
> >Good catch Bob. I obviously overlooked or didn't record something in >my
> >calculations. Even if I use your figure of $5400.00 it is still a
> >reasonable cost as far as I am concerned. The instructor time is
> built >into
> >the hourly cost. That is, the $68-$70 per hour includes the >instructor,
> >airplane, and fuel. Sorry for the miscalculation.
>
> >-- CareBear
>
> You've learned the most important skill, airplane math! When we were
> restoring the Navion we started adding up the bills and then decided
> that was no fun. We have NO IDEA what the thing cost and we don't want
> to know! You can't take it with you and the kids don't deserve it!
>
> Have FUN, go buy a plane!
>
> Margy

When someone ask me what a various airplane restoration that I have
done cost, I always just say the purchase price and then add the line
which I got from a guy who I knew while growing up, who all he did was
restore airplanes. He would restore them test them out and then sell
them and find another one to fix.

His line about what it cost to put it back together was "About X
number of years of the best fun my wife and I have in public."

It took getting a little older to fully comprehend the phrase.

Robert

[Mark T. Dame]

CareBear wrote:
> After an additional 5.5 hours practicing forward slips to a landing and soft
> field landings, I got my ticket today.

Congrats!


> My plan is to forge on and get Instrument Rated.

I highly recommend it if you plan to do any real traveling by plane.
Even if you only fly in VFR conditions, being on an IFR flight plan on
those long flights makes your trip safer.


-m
--
## Mark T. Dame >
## CP-ASEL, AGI
## <insert tail number here>
## KHAO, KISZ
"Each of nature's organisms, when frightened or confused, reacts in a
characteristic way: Deer flee, blowfish swell up, and government
emits pieces of paper."
-- Bill Stone

[Jose]

>> [CareBear]
>> My plan is to forge on and get Instrument Rated.

Be sure to also get a lot of "look out the window" time. In doing the
IR, you will spend a lot of time focused on the instruments, but you
don't want to get into the habit of doing that when in visual
conditions. With the new geegaws, even VFR pilots are starting to do that.

Jose
--
Quantum Mechanics is like this: God =does= play dice with the universe,
except there's no God, and there's no dice. And maybe there's no universe.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[ktbr]

Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:

> The only Beeches I've ever flown have been a T-34B and a Duchess. You make the
> Sundowner sound very attractive and you wrote a damned fine assessment. Now I
> want to look one over.
>

They are roomy but they are pretty slow.

[Dallas]

On Sun, 13 May 2007 19:14:48 -0500, CareBear wrote:

> Dallas, it is a Cessna 152. The hourly (Hobbs) price is $70.00 per hour
> with or without the instructor.

Ah.. The $70.00 per hour is pretty standard for a CE-150/152. You're
basically getting the instructor for free.

--
Dallas

[Dallas]

On 13 May 2007 20:29:37 -0700, Jay Honeck wrote:

> welcome to the growing (but still tiny)
> group of humans who have mastered the skies.

Actually, we're shrinking.

The number of student pilots is down by about a third since 1990, from
129,000 to 88,000. The number of private pilots is down from 299,000 to
236,000, according to statistics kept by the Federal Aviation
Administration.

That's ok... it's becoming an even more exclusive club. :-)


--
Dallas

[Steve Foley]

"Dallas" > wrote in message
...

>
> Actually, we're shrinking.
>

I wish I were shrinking :)

[Mortimer Schnerd, RN[_2_]]

ktbr wrote:
> Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:
>
>> The only Beeches I've ever flown have been a T-34B and a Duchess. You make
>> the Sundowner sound very attractive and you wrote a damned fine assessment.
>> Now I want to look one over.
>>
>
> They are roomy but they are pretty slow.


Hey, roomy is good. More room for my big ass. <G>

Actually, it's my shoulders that are jammed in, whether in GA or in coach. I'd
love a little more shoulder room.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

[Blueskies]

"Jose" > wrote in message . ..
> Congratulations!
>
>> Total time - First flight 5/1306....PPL ASEL Flight 5/12/06. (Should have waited 1 more day to make it an even year
>> :))
>
> It was exactly one year. Had you waited a day, it would have been a year and a day.
>
> Jose
> --


Actually, looks like negative one day to get it...

;-)


Congrats Carebear!

[CareBear]

"Luke Skywalker" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> Well done...and you are right in the "money" on the time it takes.
>
> Make sure you get a copy of the ticket and keep it somewhere. I
> almost didnt do that...and when I got the instrument they take the
> ticket of course. The examiner was kind enough to ask me if I wanted
> to get a copy.
>
> Dont worry about the first time. You are a better pilot for it.
> those "events" though somewhat painful are much more helpful then the
> success in making a good pilot.
>
> Again congrats
>
> Robert
>

I made 2 copies...1 for my fireproof file box and will put the other 1 in
the bank security box.

Thanks,

--
CareBear

[CareBear]

"Luke Skywalker" > wrote in message
ups.com...

> One more thing, I probably saw it but forgot it. what plane?
>
> Robert
>

Cessna 152.

--
CareBear

[CareBear]

"Jack Allison" > wrote in message
. ..
> Congratulations! Your total time to PPL was very close to mine. As for
> total costs, just north of $4K sounds pretty reasonable. I didn't total
> my costs...too scared :-)
>
> Enjoy your ticket. Good move planning on the instrument rating.
>
>
> --
> Jack Allison
> PP-ASEL-Instrument Airplane
>
> "To become a Jedi knight, you must master a single force. To become
> a private pilot you must strive to master four of them"
> - Rod Machado
>
> (Remove the obvious from address to reply via e-mail)

Thanks for the congrats.

--
CareBear