HELLO..

[[email protected]]

HELLO ALL.

I JUST JOINED AND HOPE WHAT I KNOW CAN BE OF SOME HELP, TO
SOMEONE..

THANKS.

[Morgans[_2_]]

First thing, don't type all capital letters. It is considered shouting, and
shows rude form.

Second, sit back, and read for a while, and see how everyone interacts. It
will help to keep you from making a fool of yourself.

Third, be humble. There are a lot of very knowlegable people in this group,
and if you come off as a know-it-all, you will not last very long, before
being called on the carpet.

I hpe you do have some to offer the group, but I can't emphasize enough,
that you read for a while, and see how everyone interacts. It will help you
out in the long run.

What do you have to offer? Are you a pilot? What ratings? Do you own a
plane, or rent? What do you fly, and what have you flown?

Do you have any other special interests, or hobbies? Tell us a little about
yourself.
--
Jim in NC

[buttman]

On May 14, 8:41 pm, wrote:
> HELLO ALL.
>
> I JUST JOINED AND HOPE WHAT I KNOW CAN BE OF SOME HELP, TO
> SOMEONE..
>
> THANKS.

one doesn't simply join a usenet group.

Also, listen to what Morgans wrote, especially the bit about humbling
yourself to more knowledgeable people. If someone with a lot of years
behind the, says something, it is right. Even if it may seem like they
just made it up, don't bother arguing. Arguing with someone more
knowledgeable makes you a know-it-all, which aren't welcome here.

Also, there is this guy named mxsmanic who you should just ignore. If
he says something that you think sounds reasonable, you better change
the way you think because the more knowledgeable people have deemed
him unworthy. Which goes back to the know-it-all thing...

[Crash Lander[_1_]]

"buttman" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> Also, there is this guy named mxsmanic who you should just ignore.

He hasn't posted for a whole week now, so hopefully he's gone.
Oz Lander

[d&tm]

"buttman" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> On May 14, 8:41 pm, wrote:
> > HELLO ALL.
> >
> > I JUST JOINED AND HOPE WHAT I KNOW CAN BE OF SOME HELP, TO
> > SOMEONE..
> >
> > THANKS.
>
> one doesn't simply join a usenet group.
>
> Also, listen to what Morgans wrote, especially the bit about humbling
> yourself to more knowledgeable people. If someone with a lot of years
> behind the, says something, it is right. Even if it may seem like they
> just made it up, don't bother arguing. Arguing with someone more
> knowledgeable makes you a know-it-all, which aren't welcome here.
>
I hope you are not serious. Apart from the absurdity of accepting the
correctness of something simply based on who it came from, there is no real
way of knowing on Usenet exactly what knowledge people have, or what their
motives are for offering that knowledge. This does not mean by the way that
I dont have respect for knowledgeable people I believe and respect a lot of
what Dudley H says because he has convinced me with cleary explained logic,
not simply because he is an aviation legend ( and I expect he wouldnt accept
anything less) . In short, dont accept anything as absolute unless, or
until you understand it. And if undestanding it requires you to question it
then that is what you should do.
terry

[Andy Hawkins]

In article >,
> wrote:
> I hope you are not serious.

I think he's just a bit put out that people have been having a go at some of
his posts recently...

Andy

[chris[_1_]]

On May 15, 6:52 pm, "Crash Lander" > wrote:
> "buttman" > wrote in message
>
> ups.com...
>
> > Also, there is this guy named mxsmanic who you should just ignore.
>
> He hasn't posted for a whole week now, so hopefully he's gone.
> Oz Lander

You'll be lucky!

[Bertie the Bunyip]

On May 15, 8:42 am, buttman > wrote:
> On May 14, 8:41 pm, wrote:
>
> > HELLO ALL.
>
> > I JUST JOINED AND HOPE WHAT I KNOW CAN BE OF SOME HELP, TO
> > SOMEONE..
>
> > THANKS.
>
> one doesn't simply join a usenet group.
>
> Also, listen to what Morgans wrote, especially the bit about humbling
> yourself to more knowledgeable people. If someone with a lot of years
> behind the, says something, it is right. Even if it may seem like they
> just made it up, don't bother arguing. Arguing with someone more
> knowledgeable makes you a know-it-all, which aren't welcome here.
>
> Also, there is this guy named mxsmanic who you should just ignore. If
> he says something that you think sounds reasonable, you better change
> the way you think because the more knowledgeable people have deemed
> him unworthy. Which goes back to the know-it-all thing...


but he´s not here now so second banana has kindly obliged..

Bertie

[Matt Whiting]

wrote:
> HELLO ALL.
>
> I JUST JOINED AND HOPE WHAT I KNOW CAN BE OF SOME HELP, TO
> SOMEONE..
>
> THANKS.
>

Congratulations. What did you join? And do you realize that you have
caps lock on?

Matt

[Peter R.]

On 5/14/2007 11:41:25 PM, wrote:

> I JUST JOINED AND HOPE WHAT I KNOW CAN BE OF SOME HELP, TO
> SOMEONE..

So, whadda ya know, Gvo?

--
Peter

[Larry Dighera]

On Tue, 15 May 2007 11:04:47 GMT, Matt Whiting >
wrote in >:

>What did you join?

Oh, s/he's just a clueless (as evidence by use of ALL CAPS) resident
of Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, or Ohio who believes s/he has joined a
Google group. Because GoogleGroups doesn't explain that Usenet
newsgroups are different from those newsgroups created on
GoogleGroups, it's understandable that s/he used the term 'joined'
instead of 'subscribed,' because that the term used by GoogleGroups.

I see GoogleGroups, despite their providing an archive of past Usenet
article, as making a deliberate (marketing?) effort to deceive those
who access Usenet through their Usenet gateway into believing that
GoogleGroups owns and operates Usenet. Of course that's not the case
at all (no one entity will ever own Usenet); Usenet is owned by those
myriad worldwide news administrators who devote labor and equipment
resources to relaying a news feed. GoogleGroups is but a node on the
network. And unlike this, and other Usenet newsgroups which are true
Usenet newsgroups which propagate on hundreds of thousands of nntp
servers throughout the world, GoogleGroups newsgroups only propagate
among GoogleGroups servers, a much, much smaller subset.

In any event, I welcome the new rec.aviation.piloting subscriber, and
kindly direct him/her to read the documentation here to familiarize
themselves with how Usenet operates:
http://users.rcn.com/kateshort/nnq/nnqlinks.html

Further, I recommend that the OP dump GoogleGroups in favor of an nntp
news server and newsreader client like Forté Agent:

Download Agent 4.2 · Free 30-Day Trial
http://www.forteinc.com/agent/download.php

I further suggest, that use of the subscriber's real name will lend
credibility to his/her articles.

[B A R R Y[_2_]]

Nomen Nescio wrote:
>
> Anyway, if he can't live in his fantasy world on the internet, he'll
> probably take a real "flight" off a tall building. I'll bet his "autoland"
> won't work nearly as well as he thinks it does. :)

Which is funny in what way?

[chris[_1_]]

On May 16, 12:34 am, Larry Dighera > wrote:
> On Tue, 15 May 2007 11:04:47 GMT, Matt Whiting >
> wrote in >:
>
> >What did you join?
>
> Oh, s/he's just a clueless (as evidence by use of ALL CAPS) resident
> of Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, or Ohio who believes s/he has joined a
> Google group. Because GoogleGroups doesn't explain that Usenet
> newsgroups are different from those newsgroups created on
> GoogleGroups, it's understandable that s/he used the term 'joined'
> instead of 'subscribed,' because that the term used by GoogleGroups.


I use Google Groups, as since I switched to the Mac I still miss
Outlook Express's newsreader (terrible, I know) and haven't found a
newsreader to my tastes yet, but Google Groups is fast becoming
useless for posting anything - I often have to try 5 or 6 times to
post, each time it waits an eternity then times out, and after 5 or 6
attempts it just gives up and grays out the Send button. Grrr... Any
Mac people on here can suggest a good newsreader for me??

[Montblack]

("chris" wrote)
> Grrr... Any Mac people on here can suggest a good newsreader for me??


You can get an ok M$ Win98 box for about $50.

ALL you want to do is read newsgroups with it.

I've got two monitors you can HAVE!! So do half of your neighbors.

Problem solved ...use M$ 6.0 Outlook Express :-)


Montblack
Also - a $99 Aiwa boombox plays CD's just fine, thank you very much.

<mini rant mode off>

[Blanche]

Chris:

Mozilla's newsreader isn't bad. Personally, I use command line
and trn as a news reader.

[Bob Noel]

In article . com>,
chris > wrote:

> I use Google Groups, as since I switched to the Mac I still miss
> Outlook Express's newsreader (terrible, I know) and haven't found a
> newsreader to my tastes yet,

you don't like MT-NewsWatcher? or NewWatcher? or Thunderbird?

Outlook express (blech) is still available from www.microsoft.com, and would
still work as long as you are running Classic.

--
Bob Noel
(goodness, please trim replies!!!)

[Rolf Blom]

On 2007-05-16 04:38, chris wrote:
-snip-
> I use Google Groups, as since I switched to the Mac I still miss
> Outlook Express's newsreader (terrible, I know) and haven't found a
> newsreader to my tastes yet, but Google Groups is fast becoming
> useless for posting anything - I often have to try 5 or 6 times to
> post, each time it waits an eternity then times out, and after 5 or 6
> attempts it just gives up and grays out the Send button. Grrr... Any
> Mac people on here can suggest a good newsreader for me??
>

Not on a Mac, but this page lists some possibilities for you:

http://www.newsreaders.com/mac/clients.html

regards
/Rolf

[tom418]

So if the OP had an ATP with and some turbine time, he would still have to
"sit back and see how everyone interacts"?
"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
> First thing, don't type all capital letters. It is considered shouting,
and
> shows rude form.
>
> Second, sit back, and read for a while, and see how everyone interacts.
It
> will help to keep you from making a fool of yourself.
>
> Third, be humble. There are a lot of very knowlegable people in this
group,
> and if you come off as a know-it-all, you will not last very long, before
> being called on the carpet.
>
> I hpe you do have some to offer the group, but I can't emphasize enough,
> that you read for a while, and see how everyone interacts. It will help
you
> out in the long run.
>
> What do you have to offer? Are you a pilot? What ratings? Do you own a
> plane, or rent? What do you fly, and what have you flown?
>
> Do you have any other special interests, or hobbies? Tell us a little
about
> yourself.
> --
> Jim in NC
>
>

[Gig 601XL Builder]

chris wrote:
> On May 16, 12:34 am, Larry Dighera > wrote:
>> On Tue, 15 May 2007 11:04:47 GMT, Matt Whiting >
>> wrote in >:
>>
>>> What did you join?
>>
>> Oh, s/he's just a clueless (as evidence by use of ALL CAPS) resident
>> of Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, or Ohio who believes s/he has joined
>> a Google group. Because GoogleGroups doesn't explain that Usenet
>> newsgroups are different from those newsgroups created on
>> GoogleGroups, it's understandable that s/he used the term 'joined'
>> instead of 'subscribed,' because that the term used by GoogleGroups.
>
>
> I use Google Groups, as since I switched to the Mac I still miss
> Outlook Express's newsreader (terrible, I know) and haven't found a
> newsreader to my tastes yet, but Google Groups is fast becoming
> useless for posting anything - I often have to try 5 or 6 times to
> post, each time it waits an eternity then times out, and after 5 or 6
> attempts it just gives up and grays out the Send button. Grrr... Any
> Mac people on here can suggest a good newsreader for me??

Isn't there a Thunderbird for Mac. It is VERY much like OE

[john smith[_2_]]

In article >,
"Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net> wrote:

> chris wrote:
> > On May 16, 12:34 am, Larry Dighera > wrote:
> >> On Tue, 15 May 2007 11:04:47 GMT, Matt Whiting >
> >> wrote in >:
> >>
> >>> What did you join?
> >>
> >> Oh, s/he's just a clueless (as evidence by use of ALL CAPS) resident
> >> of Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, or Ohio who believes s/he has joined
> >> a Google group. Because GoogleGroups doesn't explain that Usenet
> >> newsgroups are different from those newsgroups created on
> >> GoogleGroups, it's understandable that s/he used the term 'joined'
> >> instead of 'subscribed,' because that the term used by GoogleGroups.
> >
> >
> > I use Google Groups, as since I switched to the Mac I still miss
> > Outlook Express's newsreader (terrible, I know) and haven't found a
> > newsreader to my tastes yet, but Google Groups is fast becoming
> > useless for posting anything - I often have to try 5 or 6 times to
> > post, each time it waits an eternity then times out, and after 5 or 6
> > attempts it just gives up and grays out the Send button. Grrr... Any
> > Mac people on here can suggest a good newsreader for me??
>
> Isn't there a Thunderbird for Mac. It is VERY much like OE

Yes there is. It works. I use it only on my Windows machine as I do not
use any MS products other than Media Center.

I use MT Newswatcher on my Macs for usenet.

[Morgans[_2_]]

"tom418" > wrote

> So if the OP had an ATP with and some turbine time, he would still have to
> "sit back and see how everyone interacts"?

Lots of time and advanced tickets does not mean you will know how to
interact within this, or any other newsgroup.

Lets say you walk into a crowded room, full of people talking about common
interests you have. Do you barge in, and start talking, or do you listen a
while, and join into conversations, and once you know some people, start
some conversations on your own?

The polite person would learn the group dynamics, and join in, rather than
trying to dominate.
--
Jim in NC

[Larry Dighera]

On 15 May 2007 19:38:41 -0700, chris > wrote
in . com>:

>Google Groups is fast becoming useless for posting anything - I often
>have to try 5 or 6 times to post, each time it waits an eternity then
>times out, and after 5 or 6 attempts it just gives up and grays out
>the Send button.

It's probably inconvenient for you, but that's the best news I've had
so far today.

>Any Mac people on here can suggest a good newsreader for me??

I think you've had a few suggestions.

[chris[_1_]]

On May 17, 1:23 am, Rolf Blom > wrote:
> On 2007-05-16 04:38, chris wrote:
> -snip-
>
> > I use Google Groups, as since I switched to the Mac I still miss
> > Outlook Express's newsreader (terrible, I know) and haven't found a
> > newsreader to my tastes yet, but Google Groups is fast becoming
> > useless for posting anything - I often have to try 5 or 6 times to
> > post, each time it waits an eternity then times out, and after 5 or 6
> > attempts it just gives up and grays out the Send button. Grrr... Any
> > Mac people on here can suggest a good newsreader for me??
>
> Not on a Mac, but this page lists some possibilities for you:
>
> http://www.newsreaders.com/mac/clients.html
>
> regards
> /Rolf

Wow, you guys are too helpful!! Thanks to all the others who have
posted replies!!!

I have been using Macs for a number of years now, and (apologies to
the poster who suggested this) I have no desire to get another
PeeCee,what with viruses and all that like I went to Mac to get away
from :-) IIRC when I originally looked at newsreaders I was more into
the binary newsgroups, and I disliked the newsreaders I tried at the
time for the purpose of saving binaries..

I will have a look tonight (using the crappy work PeeCee at the
moment) and see how I get on. Anything's got to be better than this!!

[chris[_1_]]

>
> you don't like MT-NewsWatcher? or NewWatcher? or Thunderbird?
>

I have tried Thunderbird and didn't like it so much. Must try the
others. Been years since I looked for a newsreader, I am sure things
have moved along!


> Outlook express (blech) is still available fromwww.microsoft.com, and would
> still work as long as you are running Classic.

I have an Intel Mac so no classic for me - I did like using Classic
because it sort of feels really retro, like driving a '70s car :0)

I only had OE on one Mac, a mid 90s model, can't remember which one,
but every time I tried to use OE as a newsreader the machine always
ran out of memory as OE loaded the ng list :)

>
> --
> Bob Noel
> (goodness, please trim replies!!!)

[chris[_1_]]

On May 16, 3:48 pm, "Montblack" <Y4_NOT!...
> wrote:
> ("chris" wrote)
>
> > Grrr... Any Mac people on here can suggest a good newsreader for me??
>
> You can get an ok M$ Win98 box for about $50.

Yucky bunny!!!

>
> ALL you want to do is read newsgroups with it.

Yeah, but I moved away from Windoze to avoid all the crap that comes
with it...

>
> I've got two monitors you can HAVE!! So do half of your neighbors.

Hahahaha! I dunno where you live, but I suspect shipping your one to
New Zealand would cost more than a new one :)

>
> Problem solved ...use M$ 6.0 Outlook Express :-)

In some ways I have a bit of a need for windoze, as I am a Filemaker
programmer (if you can say Filemaker and Programming in the same
sentence with a straight face), and I currently can't release any
software I've developed for windoze users without getting my hands on
a PeeCee as the Mac version of Filemaker only produces runtimes for
Macs.. But I think the solution is actually simple.

Step 1) Upgrade hard drive in my Mac
Step 2) Get Boot Camp from Apple
Step 3) Install XP as dual boot

XP comes with OE, right?? I know it doesn't come with much
else! :-) You know, no disk burning or DVD player built in, no
iLife, etc etc..


>
> Montblack
> Also - a $99 Aiwa boombox plays CD's just fine, thank you very much.

There used to be a ad on TV to help you tell the difference between
Aiwa stereos and Aaaiiiiiiwwwwaaaa - a painful karate move :)
>
> <mini rant mode off>

[chris[_1_]]

On May 17, 8:34 am, john smith > wrote:
> In article >,
> "Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > chris wrote:
> > > On May 16, 12:34 am, Larry Dighera > wrote:
> > >> On Tue, 15 May 2007 11:04:47 GMT, Matt Whiting >
> > >> wrote in >:
>
> > >>> What did you join?
>
> > >> Oh, s/he's just a clueless (as evidence by use of ALL CAPS) resident
> > >> of Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, or Ohio who believes s/he has joined
> > >> a Google group. Because GoogleGroups doesn't explain that Usenet
> > >> newsgroups are different from those newsgroups created on
> > >> GoogleGroups, it's understandable that s/he used the term 'joined'
> > >> instead of 'subscribed,' because that the term used by GoogleGroups.
>
> > > I use Google Groups, as since I switched to the Mac I still miss
> > > Outlook Express's newsreader (terrible, I know) and haven't found a
> > > newsreader to my tastes yet, but Google Groups is fast becoming
> > > useless for posting anything - I often have to try 5 or 6 times to
> > > post, each time it waits an eternity then times out, and after 5 or 6
> > > attempts it just gives up and grays out the Send button. Grrr... Any
> > > Mac people on here can suggest a good newsreader for me??
>
> > Isn't there a Thunderbird for Mac. It is VERY much like OE
>
> Yes there is. It works. I use it only on my Windows machine as I do not
> use any MS products other than Media Center.
>
> I use MT Newswatcher on my Macs for usenet.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Sweet.. I will have a look at MT..

Cheers