Rerouting To Same Route Question

[Marco Leon]

So while IFR on the way back to NY from VA, I was rerouted about five times
which was fine with me (the first four were all shortcuts). What was
interesting was the last "reroute." I was just south of the Cedar Lake VOR
(VCN) on V16 with a clearance from there V16 JFK Direct FRG. Approach calls
me and says "I have a slight reroute for you. Ready to copy?" After my
affirmation, she proceeded to give me VCN V16 CYN "then after Coyle Victor 1
JFK then direct."

For those with a chart handy, you'll notice that V1 overlaps V16 over that
segment so they "rerouted" me to the same route. I didn't see a point in
questioning them especially given the busy freq.

What gives? Can any of you ATC folks shed some light on this harmless yet
interesting experience? A little-known computer quirk, LOA, weird procedure
or something?

Marco

[Peter R.]

On 5/15/2007 11:27:36 AM, "Marco Leon" wrote:

> What gives? Can any of you ATC folks shed some light on this harmless yet
> interesting experience? A little-known computer quirk, LOA, weird
> procedure or something?

Marco, I can only give you another IFR pilot's experience, but right or wrong
I have concluded that ATC's computer will spit out preferred routes that are
not tolerant of any fix/VOR deviation, even if the deviations result in the
same route.

To expand a bit, to fly IFR to Teterboro (NY City's busiest GA airport) from
Syracuse, NY, there is a specific IFR that must be filed. If that route is
not filed exactly as the ATC computer requires it, the pilot will receive a
full route clearance from ATC when retrieving the clearance. It took me a few
attempts before I was able to get the "Cleared as filed" response from
clearance. To me this seems similar to your scenario.

--
Peter

[Marco Leon]

"Peter R." > wrote in message
...
> To expand a bit, to fly IFR to Teterboro (NY City's busiest GA airport)
> from
> Syracuse, NY, there is a specific IFR that must be filed. If that route is
> not filed exactly as the ATC computer requires it, the pilot will receive
> a
> full route clearance from ATC when retrieving the clearance. It took me a
> few
> attempts before I was able to get the "Cleared as filed" response from
> clearance. To me this seems similar to your scenario.

Yeah, getting that "cleared as filed" response in the northeast has become
elusive and therefore a coveted reward for a flight well-planned. While
we're on this subject, is there a way when using DUATs to put radar vectors
in the route section?

Marco

[Peter R.]

On 5/15/2007 11:52:39 AM, "Marco Leon" wrote:

> While
> we're on this subject, is there a way when using DUATs to put radar
> vectors in the route section?

I am not aware of how to do that. I consider "cleared via runway heading,
radar vectors (some VOR), then as filed" as good as a win in the "will I get
as-filed" game. :)

--
Peter