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CWO4 Dave Mann

May 24th 07, 12:16 AM

Blondie wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> Downloaded these pics and was wondering if this aircraft actually existed.
> By the looks of its' mammoth size I think it is actually a very detailed
> drawing. It looks like it has a wingspan wider than the Spruce Goose!
> If this were an actual aircraft that had been constructed I am sure it
> would have been in many TV documentaries.
>
> Yello
>
>
>
>
>

Appears to be a beautifully done CGI creation.

But wow, wouldn't that be something to fly. I am thinking that with the
18 engines (I kind of lost count) the Flight Engineer(s) would be REAL busy.

Was there a caption or otherwise information with the pictures?

Cheers,

Dave

The Raven

May 24th 07, 12:28 AM

"Blondie" > wrote in message
...
> Hello All,
>
> Downloaded these pics and was wondering if this aircraft actually existed.
> By the looks of its' mammoth size I think it is actually a very detailed
> drawing. It looks like it has a wingspan wider than the Spruce Goose!
> If this were an actual aircraft that had been constructed I am sure it
> would have been in many TV documentaries.
>

The B&W pic looks like it could be real but the rest appear to be scaled up
CGI representations (with extra engines).

Would make for an exciting R/C aircraft, assuming someone could afford all
those engines.

--
The Raven
http://www.80snostalgia.com/downloads/batfink/sounds/wings.mp3

CWO4 Dave Mann

May 24th 07, 12:37 AM

The Raven wrote:
> "Blondie" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Hello All,
>>
>> Downloaded these pics and was wondering if this aircraft actually existed.
>> By the looks of its' mammoth size I think it is actually a very detailed
>> drawing. It looks like it has a wingspan wider than the Spruce Goose!
>> If this were an actual aircraft that had been constructed I am sure it
>> would have been in many TV documentaries.
>>
>
> The B&W pic looks like it could be real but the rest appear to be scaled up
> CGI representations (with extra engines).
>
> Would make for an exciting R/C aircraft, assuming someone could afford all
> those engines.
>
>

Yes indeed now that you mention it. The b&w photo looks like some
Italian creation from the late 1930's.

On an r/c would you be able to use those high torque electric motors? I
know zip about modern r/c building and other stuff. My sole experience
with any kind of model airplane was back around 1956. I think it had a
fox engine and made a hell of a lot of noise, and I flew it with these
nylon lines attached to a handle. I met it's demise one day when my
best buddy Roger Craft was flying it and it went into the back of his
dad's new car. Now that wasn't pretty ...

Cheers,

Dave

Robert[_2_]

May 24th 07, 01:02 AM

On Wed, 23 May 2007 22:38:13 GMT, Blondie > wrote:

>Hello All,
>
>Downloaded these pics and was wondering if this aircraft actually existed.
>By the looks of its' mammoth size I think it is actually a very detailed
>drawing. It looks like it has a wingspan wider than the Spruce Goose!
>If this were an actual aircraft that had been constructed I am sure it
>would have been in many TV documentaries.
>
>Yello
>
>
>

It's a Kalinin K-7.
---
Robert
http://fire.prohosting.com/hud607/uncommon

John Meyer

May 24th 07, 01:32 AM

In article >,
Blondie > wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> Downloaded these pics and was wondering if this aircraft actually existed.
> By the looks of its' mammoth size I think it is actually a very detailed
> drawing. It looks like it has a wingspan wider than the Spruce Goose!
> If this were an actual aircraft that had been constructed I am sure it
> would have been in many TV documentaries.
>
> Yello
>

The photo shows the Kalinin K-7. It did fly fairly OK but was destroyed
in a crash: Lookee here:
http://www.ctrl-c.liu.se/misc/ram/k-7.html

The other images are kinda cool. A scaled-up fantasy version. Pretty
convincing. They'd be even more convincing if the concrete tarmac were
replaced by grass. Where do they come from?

--
One is always considered mad when one perfects something that others can
not grasp.*- Ed Wood

Peter Dohm

May 24th 07, 02:42 AM

"CWO4 Dave Mann" > wrote in message
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> The Raven wrote:
> > "Blondie" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> Hello All,
> >>
> >> Downloaded these pics and was wondering if this aircraft actually
existed.
> >> By the looks of its' mammoth size I think it is actually a very
detailed
> >> drawing. It looks like it has a wingspan wider than the Spruce Goose!
> >> If this were an actual aircraft that had been constructed I am sure it
> >> would have been in many TV documentaries.
> >>
> >
> > The B&W pic looks like it could be real but the rest appear to be scaled
up
> > CGI representations (with extra engines).
> >
> > Would make for an exciting R/C aircraft, assuming someone could afford
all
> > those engines.
> >
> >
>
> Yes indeed now that you mention it. The b&w photo looks like some
> Italian creation from the late 1930's.
>
> On an r/c would you be able to use those high torque electric motors? I
> know zip about modern r/c building and other stuff. My sole experience
> with any kind of model airplane was back around 1956. I think it had a
> fox engine and made a hell of a lot of noise, and I flew it with these
> nylon lines attached to a handle. I met it's demise one day when my
> best buddy Roger Craft was flying it and it went into the back of his
> dad's new car. Now that wasn't pretty ...
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave
>
Oooof. That sounds like a crash leading up to a crash. :-(

Peter

The Raven

May 24th 07, 02:46 AM

"CWO4 Dave Mann" > wrote in message
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> The Raven wrote:
>> "Blondie" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> Downloaded these pics and was wondering if this aircraft actually
>>> existed.
>>> By the looks of its' mammoth size I think it is actually a very detailed
>>> drawing. It looks like it has a wingspan wider than the Spruce Goose!
>>> If this were an actual aircraft that had been constructed I am sure it
>>> would have been in many TV documentaries.
>>>
>>
>> The B&W pic looks like it could be real but the rest appear to be scaled
>> up CGI representations (with extra engines).
>>
>> Would make for an exciting R/C aircraft, assuming someone could afford
>> all those engines.
>>
>>
>
> Yes indeed now that you mention it. The b&w photo looks like some Italian
> creation from the late 1930's.
>
> On an r/c would you be able to use those high torque electric motors?

The latest modern brushless outrunner electrics make as much power as glow
fueled engined.

In reality you'd probably only use a few motors/engines and dummy up the
rest, 18 is a tad too many.

The power out of some of the newer engines is phenomenal but a plane like
this would be best suited (as in sounds best) with a bunch of 4 stroke
motors.

> I know zip about modern r/c building and other stuff. My sole experience
> with any kind of model airplane was back around 1956. I think it had a
> fox engine and made a hell of a lot of noise, and I flew it with these
> nylon lines attached to a handle. I met it's demise one day when my best
> buddy Roger Craft was flying it and it went into the back of his dad's new
> car. Now that wasn't pretty ...

I could imagine.....perhaps I shouldn't.

--
The Raven
http://www.80snostalgia.com/downloads/batfink/sounds/wings.mp3

Gene S. Park

May 24th 07, 03:16 AM

The aircraft appears to be Soviet and similar to

Designed by World War I aviator Konstantin Kalinin with a wingspan greater
than a B-52's and a much greater wing area, the K-7 was one of the biggest
aircraft built before the jet age. It was only one engine short of the B-52
as well, having the curious arrangement of six pulling on the wing leading
edge and one pushing at the rear.

The K-7's very brief first flight showed up instability and serious
vibration caused by the airframe resonating with the engine frequency. The
solution to this 'flutter' was thought to be to shorten and strengthen the
tail booms, little being known then about the natural frequencies of
structures and their response to vibration. On the 11th flight, during a
speed test, the port tailboom vibrated, fractured, jammed the elevator and
caused the giant aircraft to plough into the ground, killing 15.

Undaunted by this disaster, Kalinin's team began construction of two further
K-7s in a new factory, but the vicissitudes of Stalin's Russia saw the
project abandoned, and in 1938 the arrest and execution of Kalinin on
trumped up espionage and sabotage charges.

Seems they knew how to deal with their FEMA types.

"Blondie" > wrote in message
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> Hello All,
>
> Downloaded these pics and was wondering if this aircraft actually existed.
> By the looks of its' mammoth size I think it is actually a very detailed
> drawing. It looks like it has a wingspan wider than the Spruce Goose!
> If this were an actual aircraft that had been constructed I am sure it
> would have been in many TV documentaries.
>
> Yello
>
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Gene S. Park

May 24th 07, 03:19 AM

Here is the photo of the Kalinin

Gene

"Blondie" > wrote in message
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> Hello All,
>
> Downloaded these pics and was wondering if this aircraft actually existed.
> By the looks of its' mammoth size I think it is actually a very detailed
> drawing. It looks like it has a wingspan wider than the Spruce Goose!
> If this were an actual aircraft that had been constructed I am sure it
> would have been in many TV documentaries.
>
> Yello
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Ric[_2_]

May 24th 07, 04:43 AM

Would it have been easier to just post the link ?
http://avia.russian.ee/air/russia/kalinin_k-7.php

"Gene S. Park" > wrote in message
...
> The aircraft appears to be Soviet and similar to
>
> Designed by World War I aviator Konstantin Kalinin with a wingspan greater
> than a B-52's and a much greater wing area, the K-7 was one of the biggest
> aircraft built before the jet age. It was only one engine short of the
> B-52 as well, having the curious arrangement of six pulling on the wing
> leading edge and one pushing at the rear.
>
> The K-7's very brief first flight showed up instability and serious
> vibration caused by the airframe resonating with the engine frequency. The
> solution to this 'flutter' was thought to be to shorten and strengthen the
> tail booms, little being known then about the natural frequencies of
> structures and their response to vibration. On the 11th flight, during a
> speed test, the port tailboom vibrated, fractured, jammed the elevator and
> caused the giant aircraft to plough into the ground, killing 15.
>
> Undaunted by this disaster, Kalinin's team began construction of two
> further K-7s in a new factory, but the vicissitudes of Stalin's Russia saw
> the project abandoned, and in 1938 the arrest and execution of Kalinin on
> trumped up espionage and sabotage charges.
>
> Seems they knew how to deal with their FEMA types.
>
>
>
>
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> "Blondie" > wrote in message
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>> Hello All,
>>
>> Downloaded these pics and was wondering if this aircraft actually
>> existed.
>> By the looks of its' mammoth size I think it is actually a very detailed
>> drawing. It looks like it has a wingspan wider than the Spruce Goose!
>> If this were an actual aircraft that had been constructed I am sure it
>> would have been in many TV documentaries.
>>
>> Yello
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bob

May 24th 07, 05:56 AM

Here's are links with more pictures and drawings of the K-7 including
pictures of the full-scale mockup.

http://www.airwar.ru/enc/bww1/k7.html

http://www.airwar.ru/other/draw/k7.html

"Blondie" > wrote in message
...
> Hello All,
>
> Downloaded these pics and was wondering if this aircraft actually existed.
> By the looks of its' mammoth size I think it is actually a very detailed
> drawing. It looks like it has a wingspan wider than the Spruce Goose!
> If this were an actual aircraft that had been constructed I am sure it
> would have been in many TV documentaries.
>
> Yello
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Andrew-S

May 24th 07, 06:20 AM

A very interesting article about the designer and his plane can be read
here...
www.wumag.kiev.ua/index2.php?param=pgs20041/92

Andrew

"bob" > wrote in message news:sW85i.25008$xu.18635@trndny07...
> Here's are links with more pictures and drawings of the K-7 including
> pictures of the full-scale mockup.
>
> http://www.airwar.ru/enc/bww1/k7.html
>
> http://www.airwar.ru/other/draw/k7.html
>
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> "Blondie" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Hello All,
>>
>> Downloaded these pics and was wondering if this aircraft actually
>> existed.
>> By the looks of its' mammoth size I think it is actually a very detailed
>> drawing. It looks like it has a wingspan wider than the Spruce Goose!
>> If this were an actual aircraft that had been constructed I am sure it
>> would have been in many TV documentaries.
>>
>> Yello
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Gene S. Park

May 24th 07, 08:48 AM

I don't know, would it have? You may tell me since you are such a brilliant
techie. Us old folks just try do the best we can.

"Ric" > wrote in message
u...
> Would it have been easier to just post the link ?
> http://avia.russian.ee/air/russia/kalinin_k-7.php
>
> "Gene S. Park" > wrote in message
> ...
>> The aircraft appears to be Soviet and similar to
>>
>> Designed by World War I aviator Konstantin Kalinin with a wingspan
>> greater than a B-52's and a much greater wing area, the K-7 was one of
>> the biggest aircraft built before the jet age. It was only one engine
>> short of the B-52 as well, having the curious arrangement of six pulling
>> on the wing leading edge and one pushing at the rear.
>>
>> The K-7's very brief first flight showed up instability and serious
>> vibration caused by the airframe resonating with the engine frequency.
>> The solution to this 'flutter' was thought to be to shorten and
>> strengthen the tail booms, little being known then about the natural
>> frequencies of structures and their response to vibration. On the 11th
>> flight, during a speed test, the port tailboom vibrated, fractured,
>> jammed the elevator and caused the giant aircraft to plough into the
>> ground, killing 15.
>>
>> Undaunted by this disaster, Kalinin's team began construction of two
>> further K-7s in a new factory, but the vicissitudes of Stalin's Russia
>> saw the project abandoned, and in 1938 the arrest and execution of
>> Kalinin on trumped up espionage and sabotage charges.
>>
>> Seems they knew how to deal with their FEMA types.
>>
>>
>>
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>> "Blondie" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> Downloaded these pics and was wondering if this aircraft actually
>>> existed.
>>> By the looks of its' mammoth size I think it is actually a very detailed
>>> drawing. It looks like it has a wingspan wider than the Spruce Goose!
>>> If this were an actual aircraft that had been constructed I am sure it
>>> would have been in many TV documentaries.
>>>
>>> Yello
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CWO4 Dave Mann

May 24th 07, 02:37 PM

Ric wrote:
> Would it have been easier to just post the link ?
> http://avia.russian.ee/air/russia/kalinin_k-7.php
>
> "Gene S. Park" > wrote in message
> ...
>> The aircraft appears to be Soviet and similar to
>>
>> Designed by World War I aviator Konstantin Kalinin with a wingspan greater
>> than a B-52's and a much greater wing area, the K-7 was one of the biggest
>> aircraft built before the jet age. It was only one engine short of the
>> B-52 as well, having the curious arrangement of six pulling on the wing
>> leading edge and one pushing at the rear.
>>
>> The K-7's very brief first flight showed up instability and serious
>> vibration caused by the airframe resonating with the engine frequency. The
>> solution to this 'flutter' was thought to be to shorten and strengthen the
>> tail booms, little being known then about the natural frequencies of
>> structures and their response to vibration. On the 11th flight, during a
>> speed test, the port tailboom vibrated, fractured, jammed the elevator and
>> caused the giant aircraft to plough into the ground, killing 15.
>>
>> Undaunted by this disaster, Kalinin's team began construction of two
>> further K-7s in a new factory, but the vicissitudes of Stalin's Russia saw
>> the project abandoned, and in 1938 the arrest and execution of Kalinin on
>> trumped up espionage and sabotage charges.
>>
>> Seems they knew how to deal with their FEMA types.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Blondie" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> Downloaded these pics and was wondering if this aircraft actually
>>> existed.
>>> By the looks of its' mammoth size I think it is actually a very detailed
>>> drawing. It looks like it has a wingspan wider than the Spruce Goose!
>>> If this were an actual aircraft that had been constructed I am sure it
>>> would have been in many TV documentaries.
>>>
>>> Yello

Mr Park is doing us all a favor by trying to make a post as complete as
possible. Besides, his comment about the FEMA types is delicious.
Ahhhh for the days of brick walls and machine guns with an inexhaustible
supplies of bullets. "To the Wall, Enemies of the People!".

Cheers,

Dave

CWO4 Dave Mann

May 24th 07, 02:40 PM

Peter Dohm wrote:
> "CWO4 Dave Mann" > wrote in message
> . ..
>> The Raven wrote:
>>> "Blondie" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Hello All,
>>>>
>>>> Downloaded these pics and was wondering if this aircraft actually
> existed.
>>>> By the looks of its' mammoth size I think it is actually a very
> detailed
>>>> drawing. It looks like it has a wingspan wider than the Spruce Goose!
>>>> If this were an actual aircraft that had been constructed I am sure it
>>>> would have been in many TV documentaries.
>>>>
>>> The B&W pic looks like it could be real but the rest appear to be scaled
> up
>>> CGI representations (with extra engines).
>>>
>>> Would make for an exciting R/C aircraft, assuming someone could afford
> all
>>> those engines.
>>>
>>>
>> Yes indeed now that you mention it. The b&w photo looks like some
>> Italian creation from the late 1930's.
>>
>> On an r/c would you be able to use those high torque electric motors? I
>> know zip about modern r/c building and other stuff. My sole experience
>> with any kind of model airplane was back around 1956. I think it had a
>> fox engine and made a hell of a lot of noise, and I flew it with these
>> nylon lines attached to a handle. I met it's demise one day when my
>> best buddy Roger Craft was flying it and it went into the back of his
>> dad's new car. Now that wasn't pretty ...
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Dave
>>
> Oooof. That sounds like a crash leading up to a crash. :-(
>
> Peter
>
>

Let's just say that it was Memorable. Now the events following the day
Roger and I took a joy-ride in his dad's new Buick convertible a few
years later was .... "remarkable and unforgettable". I think I
developed my love of flying from heading down Madison avenue in San
Diego, CA in the Buick.

Cheers,

Dave
CWO4 USA (Ret)

Peter Dohm

May 25th 07, 03:47 AM

"CWO4 Dave Mann" > wrote in message
...
> Ric wrote:
> > Would it have been easier to just post the link ?
> > http://avia.russian.ee/air/russia/kalinin_k-7.php
> >
> > "Gene S. Park" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> The aircraft appears to be Soviet and similar to
> >>
> >> Designed by World War I aviator Konstantin Kalinin with a wingspan
greater
> >> than a B-52's and a much greater wing area, the K-7 was one of the
biggest
> >> aircraft built before the jet age. It was only one engine short of the
> >> B-52 as well, having the curious arrangement of six pulling on the wing
> >> leading edge and one pushing at the rear.
> >>
> >> The K-7's very brief first flight showed up instability and serious
> >> vibration caused by the airframe resonating with the engine frequency.
The
> >> solution to this 'flutter' was thought to be to shorten and strengthen
the
> >> tail booms, little being known then about the natural frequencies of
> >> structures and their response to vibration. On the 11th flight, during
a
> >> speed test, the port tailboom vibrated, fractured, jammed the elevator
and
> >> caused the giant aircraft to plough into the ground, killing 15.
> >>
> >> Undaunted by this disaster, Kalinin's team began construction of two
> >> further K-7s in a new factory, but the vicissitudes of Stalin's Russia
saw
> >> the project abandoned, and in 1938 the arrest and execution of Kalinin
on
> >> trumped up espionage and sabotage charges.
> >>
> >> Seems they knew how to deal with their FEMA types.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Blondie" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>> Hello All,
> >>>
> >>> Downloaded these pics and was wondering if this aircraft actually
> >>> existed.
> >>> By the looks of its' mammoth size I think it is actually a very
detailed
> >>> drawing. It looks like it has a wingspan wider than the Spruce Goose!
> >>> If this were an actual aircraft that had been constructed I am sure it
> >>> would have been in many TV documentaries.
> >>>
> >>> Yello
>
>
> Mr Park is doing us all a favor by trying to make a post as complete as
> possible. Besides, his comment about the FEMA types is delicious.
> Ahhhh for the days of brick walls and machine guns with an inexhaustible
> supplies of bullets. "To the Wall, Enemies of the People!".
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave

Yes. Most enjoyable.

Peter

Panic

May 25th 07, 06:11 PM

How about this one?

"Blondie" > wrote in message
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> Hello All,
>
> Downloaded these pics and was wondering if this aircraft actually existed.
> By the looks of its' mammoth size I think it is actually a very detailed
> drawing. It looks like it has a wingspan wider than the Spruce Goose!
> If this were an actual aircraft that had been constructed I am sure it
> would have been in many TV documentaries.
>
> Yello
>
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Casey Tompkins

May 28th 07, 10:09 PM

On Wed, 23 May 2007 17:32:38 -0700, John Meyer
> wrote:

>The photo shows the Kalinin K-7. It did fly fairly OK but was destroyed
>in a crash: Lookee here:
>http://www.ctrl-c.liu.se/misc/ram/k-7.html
>
>The other images are kinda cool. A scaled-up fantasy version. Pretty
>convincing. They'd be even more convincing if the concrete tarmac were
>replaced by grass. Where do they come from?

Thanks for a shot of the "real" plane. Do my eyes decieve me, or is
that thing running *wooden* propellors!?