$1500 Cash Reward

[[email protected]]

$1500 cash reward for info leading to arrest and conviction of lowlife
scum thieves who broke into hangars and aircraft at Rutherford County,
NC Airport [KFQD] and stole the following items on or about Thursday,
May 19, 2007:

1. King KX-99 Portable Navcomm Radio with new NiMH Rechargeable
battery pack and slow charger
2. Pointer 3000 Emergency Locator Transmitter with fresh battery and
snap-in antenna
3. Set of 1/4" drive Snap-on Ratchet Tools with Spare Flex head drive
and 3 extra universal joint sockets (3/8, 7/16, and 1/2) -- in red
plastic case
5. Set of 3/8" drive Snap-On Ratchet Tools with 3/8" to 1/2" adaptor
and two extra Craftsman ratchets, one long, one short--- new red
plastic case Also set of 1/2 drive Snap-Ons in large canvas bag
6. Garmin GPS 195 with antenna and AA battery pack (I will provide
the serial number)
7. Browning Sportsman .22 LR Semi-Automatic Pistol (Mfd. in Belgium)
with checkered walnut grip and 6" barrel in original vinyl case with
oily silicone rag
8. Colt .25 cal. Semi-Automatic Pistol with checkered walnut grips;
this is a tiny handgun that will fit in the palm of your hand
9. Mauser 9MM Kurz (.380) Double Action Semi-Automatic Pistol with
checkered walnut grips. Engraved on the action: Made in Germany,
Imported by Interarms. This is a small handgun similar to a Walther
PPK. It has an unusual hidden hammer.
All three of these handguns are mint condition collector firearms, in
blue steel finish. I am obtaining the serial numbers and will supply
them at a later time.
10. Winchester pump action 12-gauge shotgun loaded with 00 buckshot;
plug removed from magazine. Barrel end accepts various screw-in choke
inserts.
9. Sheridan Blue Streak Forearm Pump Pellet Air Rifle, .20 caliber --
another rare gun with walnut stock, blue finish
10. Maglite D-Cell Flashlight with 6 cells-- 18" long; police issue,
black finish
11. Garmin 496 GPS Receiver (s/n provided later)--- This expensive
navigation device was taken from a Mooney on the north ramp.
12. Vertex Handheld Comm with cracked screen (s/n______)
13. Cuisinart Blender
14. Various 2-cell Maglite Flashlights and headgear LED lights, also
LED flashlight for cockpit with red LED and white LED
15. Ryobi Rechargeable Rotating Head Flashlight 18-volt NiCad with
charger
16. Canon FTB Single Lens Reflex 35MM Camera in leather case; camera
and case damaged from falling off moving motorcycle and rolling.

We'll add to the list as other items are found to be missing.
Rutherford County, NC Sheriff's Department is in charge of the
investigation; you may obtain my cellphone number from them,
particularly from Detective Bailey.
http://www.rutherfordcountync.gov/dept/sheriffs/Detectives.php

Aircraft Break-Ins are being investigated by feds because those break-
ins are felony violations of the United States Code.

This reward is my own personal effort; others may add to it. I'll
follow up on that and with other information as it becomes available.
Beware that felons with similar MO's are operating at small rural
airports along the eastern seaboard, according to the FBI.

Any person who receives, possesses, or purchases any one or more of
these stolen items, knowing or having reason to believe the same is
stolen, is also guilty of a felony.

Vic

[Darrel Toepfer]

> 7. Browning Sportsman .22 LR Semi-Automatic Pistol (Mfd. in Belgium)
> with checkered walnut grip and 6" barrel in original vinyl case with
> oily silicone rag

Had mine stolen too back in '80... I loved that gun, very accurate, or I
was with it...

> 13. Cuisinart Blender

"I loved that blender" http://imdb.com/title/tt0120660

[Darrel Toepfer]

wrote:

> 9. Sheridan Blue Streak Forearm Pump Pellet Air Rifle, .20 caliber --
> another rare gun with walnut stock, blue finish

I have the chrome one - "5mm"... Pulled the scope from it and put it on a
Gamo Shadow 1000. 1 crack sure beats 10 pumps. Still haven't topped my
record of 32 squirrels in one season with it though. Course I had 35 years
of practice with it...

Sorry for you losses...

[Rich S.[_1_]]

"Darrel Toepfer" > wrote in message
. 18...
>> 7. Browning Sportsman .22 LR Semi-Automatic Pistol (Mfd. in Belgium)
>> with checkered walnut grip and 6" barrel in original vinyl case with
>> oily silicone rag
>
> Had mine stolen too back in '80... I loved that gun, very accurate, or I
> was with it...


Me too, in '84. My dad and I bought a matched set of Browning Challenger
..22's. Mine was the 6" and his was a bit shorter. Both made in Belgium. A
"friend" of my son's broke in and stole them along with my camera to sell
for drugs. My son caught up with him later and blended him with the tarmac.
Didn't get the guns back, though. They were long gone.

You both have my sympathy. Getting ripped off like that can take a year off
your life just from the feeling of violation and the stress of wondering if
it will recur; or if you coulda/woulda/shoulda done something to prevent it.
It's not your fault. There are a$$holes out there and always will be. I hope
no one was hurt in the incident.

Rich S.

[Scott[_1_]]

Except for the a$$holes. Maybe they'll blow their brains out while
cleaning one of the guns...



Scott
http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)


Rich S. wrote:
There are a$$holes out there and always will be. I hope
> no one was hurt in the incident.
>
> Rich S.
>
>

--

[erik]

On May 25, 12:07 pm, Scott > wrote:
> Except for the a$$holes. Maybe they'll blow their brains out while
> cleaning one of the guns...
>
> Scotthttp://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
> Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
> Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)
>
> Rich S. wrote:
>
> There are a$$holes out there and always will be. I hope
>
> > no one was hurt in the incident.
>
> > Rich S.
>
> --

Shouldn't the firearms have been locked away in safes at the owners'
residences, in stead of being in hangers or in planes? Here in South
Africa the owner of a gun stolen will more often than not end up in
jail charged with negligence, even before the investigation into the
theft will begin.

Erik Snyman
Messina
South Africa.

[Dan[_2_]]

erik wrote:
> On May 25, 12:07 pm, Scott > wrote:
>> Except for the a$$holes. Maybe they'll blow their brains out while
>> cleaning one of the guns...
>>
>> Scotthttp://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
>> Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
>> Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)
>>
>> Rich S. wrote:
>>
>> There are a$$holes out there and always will be. I hope
>>
>>> no one was hurt in the incident.
>>> Rich S.
>> --
>
> Shouldn't the firearms have been locked away in safes at the owners'
> residences, in stead of being in hangers or in planes? Here in South
> Africa the owner of a gun stolen will more often than not end up in
> jail charged with negligence, even before the investigation into the
> theft will begin.
>
> Erik Snyman
> Messina
> South Africa.
>
Here in the U.S., in most states, reasonable care is the standard.
This means minors and unauthorized persons don't have access. I agree
firearms should be in a safe except those used for self defense. This is
more to save the bother of recovering the firearms than to keep someone
from stealing them.

Assuming the hangar in question was locked that should be enough to
protect any property from being stolen. A competent burglar can get into
most safes and buildings if he is determined to do so.

In my case I have a gun safe, but I shouldn't need it since I live
alone and secure my house when I am not home. If South Africa holds the
gun owner as much as or more responsible than the burglar then something
is wrong there.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Jay Honeck]

<Long list of stolen items snipped>

> We'll add to the list as other items are found to be missing.

> Any person who receives, possesses, or purchases any one or more of
> these stolen items, knowing or having reason to believe the same is
> stolen, is also guilty of a felony.

Dang, Vic, sorry for your loss -- but how in the heck was someone able
to steal that much stuff? What you describe would have taken a
considerable amount of time to locate, load, and transport -- unless
they already knew exactly what they were looking for? Inside job?

We've got an "airport watch" program here that (in theory) could
prevent something like this from happening. Despite this, however,
even though I'm at the airport nearly every day, there are long
periods of time when no one is around, and theft could occur. We
never, ever, leave our hangar door open -- but that wouldn't stop a
really determined thief.

Just curious: What's with the arsenal at the airport? Did you
perceive the hangar as a safer place to keep them?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Ron Wanttaja]

On Sat, 26 May 2007 07:25:49 -0500, Dan > wrote:

> Assuming the hangar in question was locked that should be enough to
>protect any property from being stolen. A competent burglar can get into
>most safes and buildings if he is determined to do so.

When you think about it, though, a hangar could be more secure than a typical
home. Entry to a house can be attained with no further investment than a stone
through a window. The hangars at my airport have only a single point of
entry...no glass to smash, no patio doors to lift off the track, not even wooden
door jambs to splinter. Mind you, the locking mechanism on the door isn't the
greatest, but it at least gives only ONE point the occupant has to upgrade to
increase security.

Plus, larger airports often have full-time security contingents.

> In my case I have a gun safe, but I shouldn't need it since I live
>alone and secure my house when I am not home. If South Africa holds the
>gun owner as much as or more responsible than the burglar then something
>is wrong there.

It's a swing of the pendulum a bit far in the opposite direction, but it does
have its attractions. One of the anti-gun arguments here in the US is that the
weapons purchased by law-abiding citizens too often end up in the hands of
criminals; here's a way to fight that. Properly securing one's weapons is the
hallmark of a responsible gun owner.

It's matter of degree, of course. If the gunowner can show forced doors and
busted safe, I would figure he or she had taken adequate steps to protect the
weapons. If the owner leaves his F150 in a dark tavern parking lot with a rack
of guns in plain sight in the rear window, that's another thing.

Ron Wanttaja

[John Ammeter]

Not all hangars are that secure... I used to keep my RV-6 in a hangar
at a local airfield. Brand new hangars with a "man door" in one end of
the main slider doors. The man door lock could easily be opened by
simply reaching through the opening at the end of the main hangar door.
The fire department wouldn't let us put a keyed deadbolt on the door
unless we kept the key IN THE LOCK, accessible just as before by
reaching inside the opening...

However, to show how stupid some people are, evidence was found one day
where someone had tried to pry off the lock on the main sliders. Don't
how long they worked on it but if they had simply reached into the end
opening they could have been in the hangar in seconds.

BTW, I'm NOT naming the airfield as I'm sure they haven't changed
anything and the hangars are still "accessible".

John

Ron Wanttaja wrote:
> On Sat, 26 May 2007 07:25:49 -0500, Dan > wrote:
>
>> Assuming the hangar in question was locked that should be enough to
>> protect any property from being stolen. A competent burglar can get into
>> most safes and buildings if he is determined to do so.
>
> When you think about it, though, a hangar could be more secure than a typical
> home. Entry to a house can be attained with no further investment than a stone
> through a window. The hangars at my airport have only a single point of
> entry...no glass to smash, no patio doors to lift off the track, not even wooden
> door jambs to splinter. Mind you, the locking mechanism on the door isn't the
> greatest, but it at least gives only ONE point the occupant has to upgrade to
> increase security.
>
> Plus, larger airports often have full-time security contingents.
>
>> In my case I have a gun safe, but I shouldn't need it since I live
>> alone and secure my house when I am not home. If South Africa holds the
>> gun owner as much as or more responsible than the burglar then something
>> is wrong there.
>
> It's a swing of the pendulum a bit far in the opposite direction, but it does
> have its attractions. One of the anti-gun arguments here in the US is that the
> weapons purchased by law-abiding citizens too often end up in the hands of
> criminals; here's a way to fight that. Properly securing one's weapons is the
> hallmark of a responsible gun owner.
>
> It's matter of degree, of course. If the gunowner can show forced doors and
> busted safe, I would figure he or she had taken adequate steps to protect the
> weapons. If the owner leaves his F150 in a dark tavern parking lot with a rack
> of guns in plain sight in the rear window, that's another thing.
>
> Ron Wanttaja

[[email protected]]

On May 25, 10:03 am, wrote:
> $1500 cash reward for info leading to arrest and conviction of lowlife
> scum thieves who broke into hangars and aircraft at Rutherford County,
> NC Airport [KFQD] and stole the following items on or about Thursday,
> May 19, 2007:
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I'll kick in a twenty... subject to the conviction AND incarceration
of the thief. (This slap-on-the-hand, suspended-sentence bull**** is
a virtual guarantee the guy(s) will do it again.)

I'm sorry I can't offer more but perhaps a few other airmen will chip
in.

As a personal note you might want to consider hiring your own
investigator. After the local Sheriff had signed-off on the scene of
a break-in and robbery a retired Fibbie collected more than a dozen
fingerprints the deputies had missed, along with a partial shoe print.

-R.S.Hoover
-EAA 58400 (Life Member)

PS -- Contact me privately to exchange addresses.

[Frank Stutzman[_2_]]

Ron Wanttaja > wrote:

> When you think about it, though, a hangar could be more secure than a
> typical home. Entry to a house can be attained with no further investment
> than a stone through a window. The hangars at my airport have only a
> single point of entry...no glass to smash, no patio doors to lift off
> the track, not even wooden door jambs to splinter. Mind you, the
> locking mechanism on the door isn't the greatest, but it at least
> gives only ONE point the occupant has to upgrade to increase security.

My current hangar is a steel structure with sheet metal siding. Its
your typical T-hangar set-up, with internal walls (sheet metal again)
separating the individual units.

With a cordless drill and (maybe) some sheet metal snips I'm sure I
could be inside my hangar unit within 15 minutes just by removing
some sheet metal. Once I was inside a unit, I could work my way to
all the other units without anyone noticing. Who would suspect the
whine of a drill or a rattle of sheet metal around a hangar?

(uhh, to any black hats -- I am in the middle of a move and so
my hangar is empty at the moment)

--
Frank Stutzman
Bonanza N494B "Hula Girl"
Hood River, OR (soon to be Boise, ID)

[Ron Wanttaja]

On Sat, 26 May 2007 20:59:02 +0000 (UTC), Frank Stutzman
> wrote:

>With a cordless drill and (maybe) some sheet metal snips I'm sure I
>could be inside my hangar unit within 15 minutes just by removing
>some sheet metal. Once I was inside a unit, I could work my way to
>all the other units without anyone noticing. Who would suspect the
>whine of a drill or a rattle of sheet metal around a hangar?

A piece of cinder block would get you into a private residence in far less than
15 minutes....and the batteries never go dead. :-)

And your typical thieves (who really aren't that bright to start with) are more
likely to find quickly-fencable items in the private residence.

I'm starting to wonder if the hangars were targeted *because* of the guns.

Ron Wanttaja

[Maxwell]

"Frank Stutzman" > wrote in message
...
>
> My current hangar is a steel structure with sheet metal siding. Its
> your typical T-hangar set-up, with internal walls (sheet metal again)
> separating the individual units.
>
> With a cordless drill and (maybe) some sheet metal snips I'm sure I
> could be inside my hangar unit within 15 minutes just by removing
> some sheet metal. Once I was inside a unit, I could work my way to
> all the other units without anyone noticing. Who would suspect the
> whine of a drill or a rattle of sheet metal around a hangar?
>

Everyone might check their own hangers to be sure, but many are a 2 second
trip through a walk in door, even with a deadbolt.

A lot of the door facings on metal buildings can be sprung far enough with a
tire tool, that you can get in quicker that way than with a key. The facing
will usually even spring back completely, leaving very little evidence that
the building has been entered.

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Ron Wanttaja" > wrote

> I'm starting to wonder if the hangars were targeted *because* of the guns.

Bingo!

Someone knew they were there, and went in to get them.
--
Jim in NC

[Dan[_2_]]

John Ammeter wrote:
> Not all hangars are that secure... I used to keep my RV-6 in a hangar
> at a local airfield. Brand new hangars with a "man door" in one end of
> the main slider doors. The man door lock could easily be opened by
> simply reaching through the opening at the end of the main hangar door.
> The fire department wouldn't let us put a keyed deadbolt on the door
> unless we kept the key IN THE LOCK, accessible just as before by
> reaching inside the opening...
>
>
So? Remove the key when vacating the building. I'm sure the fire
department just wanted to ensure no one would be trapped inside in the
event of a fire. Leave the key in when you are inside, remove it when
you go home.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Rich S.[_1_]]

"Dan" > wrote in message
...

> So? Remove the key when vacating the building. I'm sure the fire
> department just wanted to ensure no one would be trapped inside in the
> event of a fire. Leave the key in when you are inside, remove it when you
> go home.

I'll have to agree with you on that, Dan. The uniform building and fire
codes do not prohibit keyed deadbolts on an aircraft hanger unless the
building is occupied, IIRC. If the fire inspector required a key on the
inside at all times, I'd ask him to show me chapter and verse.

Rich S.
Certified Uniform Fire Code Inspector (1985-88)

[Rip]

wrote:
> $1500 cash reward for info leading to arrest and conviction of lowlife
> scum thieves who broke into hangars and aircraft at Rutherford County,
> NC Airport [KFQD] and stole the following items on or about Thursday,
> May 19, 2007:
>
> 1. King KX-99 Portable Navcomm Radio with new NiMH Rechargeable
> battery pack and slow charger
> 2. Pointer 3000 Emergency Locator Transmitter with fresh battery and
> snap-in antenna
> 3. Set of 1/4" drive Snap-on Ratchet Tools with Spare Flex head drive
> and 3 extra universal joint sockets (3/8, 7/16, and 1/2) -- in red
> plastic case
> 5. Set of 3/8" drive Snap-On Ratchet Tools with 3/8" to 1/2" adaptor
> and two extra Craftsman ratchets, one long, one short--- new red
> plastic case Also set of 1/2 drive Snap-Ons in large canvas bag
> 6. Garmin GPS 195 with antenna and AA battery pack (I will provide
> the serial number)
> 7. Browning Sportsman .22 LR Semi-Automatic Pistol (Mfd. in Belgium)
> with checkered walnut grip and 6" barrel in original vinyl case with
> oily silicone rag
> 8. Colt .25 cal. Semi-Automatic Pistol with checkered walnut grips;
> this is a tiny handgun that will fit in the palm of your hand
> 9. Mauser 9MM Kurz (.380) Double Action Semi-Automatic Pistol with
> checkered walnut grips. Engraved on the action: Made in Germany,
> Imported by Interarms. This is a small handgun similar to a Walther
> PPK. It has an unusual hidden hammer.
> All three of these handguns are mint condition collector firearms, in
> blue steel finish. I am obtaining the serial numbers and will supply
> them at a later time.
> 10. Winchester pump action 12-gauge shotgun loaded with 00 buckshot;
> plug removed from magazine. Barrel end accepts various screw-in choke
> inserts.
> 9. Sheridan Blue Streak Forearm Pump Pellet Air Rifle, .20 caliber --
> another rare gun with walnut stock, blue finish
> 10. Maglite D-Cell Flashlight with 6 cells-- 18" long; police issue,
> black finish
> 11. Garmin 496 GPS Receiver (s/n provided later)--- This expensive
> navigation device was taken from a Mooney on the north ramp.
> 12. Vertex Handheld Comm with cracked screen (s/n______)
> 13. Cuisinart Blender
> 14. Various 2-cell Maglite Flashlights and headgear LED lights, also
> LED flashlight for cockpit with red LED and white LED
> 15. Ryobi Rechargeable Rotating Head Flashlight 18-volt NiCad with
> charger
> 16. Canon FTB Single Lens Reflex 35MM Camera in leather case; camera
> and case damaged from falling off moving motorcycle and rolling.
>
> We'll add to the list as other items are found to be missing.
> Rutherford County, NC Sheriff's Department is in charge of the
> investigation; you may obtain my cellphone number from them,
> particularly from Detective Bailey.
> http://www.rutherfordcountync.gov/dept/sheriffs/Detectives.php
>
> Aircraft Break-Ins are being investigated by feds because those break-
> ins are felony violations of the United States Code.
>
> This reward is my own personal effort; others may add to it. I'll
> follow up on that and with other information as it becomes available.
> Beware that felons with similar MO's are operating at small rural
> airports along the eastern seaboard, according to the FBI.
>
> Any person who receives, possesses, or purchases any one or more of
> these stolen items, knowing or having reason to believe the same is
> stolen, is also guilty of a felony.
>
> Vic
>
Keep a close eye on E-Bay for these items! They won't list guns, but the
others are prime E-Bay material. More than one thief has been nailed by
an E-Bay listing.

Rip

[RST Engineering]

I'm in for twenty under the same conditions as dub.

Jim


> wrote in message
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> On May 25, 10:03 am, wrote:
>> $1500 cash reward for info leading to arrest and conviction of lowlife
>> scum thieves who broke into hangars and aircraft at Rutherford County,
>> NC Airport [KFQD] and stole the following items on or about Thursday,
>> May 19, 2007:
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> I'll kick in a twenty... subject to the conviction AND incarceration
> of the thief. (This slap-on-the-hand, suspended-sentence bull**** is
> a virtual guarantee the guy(s) will do it again.)

[[email protected]]

On May 27, 11:31 am, "RST Engineering" >
wrote:
> I'm in for twenty under the same conditions as dub.
>
> Jim
>
> > wrote in message
>
> oups.com...
>
>
>
> > On May 25, 10:03 am, wrote:
> >> $1500 cash reward for info leading to arrest and conviction of lowlife
> >> scum thieves who broke into hangars and aircraft at Rutherford County,
> >> NC Airport [KFQD] and stole the following items on or about Thursday,
> >> May 19, 2007:
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------*---------------------
>
> > I'll kick in a twenty... subject to the conviction AND incarceration
> > of the thief. (This slap-on-the-hand, suspended-sentence bull**** is
> > a virtual guarantee the guy(s) will do it again.)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Thanks everbody.

Deputies caught someone trying to fence a set of Bose headsets and
Garmin 295 taken at the airport. Deputy also says they have found my
Garmin 195. Several serch warrants have already been used.
It looks like the thieves were homeboys.

If this pan's out it will be the first time in my life of over 50
years when anything stolen was recovered. I had a car stolen, two
motorcycles, several housebreakings, and plenty of cars broken into
and nobody ever caught and nothing ever returned. I quit driving
convertibles because of the tops getting cut up by car burglers. And
no insureance neither. Am sure most everybody else has been hurt by
thieves. This one gave me a real hartburn that will still burns years
later.

Some time ago two big twin Harly Davidson motorcycles were stolen in a
break-in. ONe of them was mine. It was almost new. License and
thieft division of the Florida Burau of Investigation found one of the
bikes at a Daytona bike show. The numbers had been altared but they
found secrit vehicle identifiction numbers.

They had these thieves caught dead to rights and didn't even arrest
them. They found out the bikes had been taken by a gang in West
Virgina they had connections to one of the mechanics who worked at the
shop where the bikes were stolen.. The person who the bike was stole
form in Daytona came back with a treller with a fake bill of sale and
took it back to West Virginia. His only problem was they wouldn't
issue a tag to him. Nobody was ever brought to justice. There's
severl people who ought to have a bullet in there head but got off
scott free.

[Jay Honeck]

> If this pan's out it will be the first time in my life of over 50
> years when anything stolen was recovered. I had a car stolen, two
> motorcycles, several housebreakings, and plenty of cars broken into
> and nobody ever caught and nothing ever returned. I quit driving
> convertibles because of the tops getting cut up by car burglers. And
> no insureance neither. Am sure most everybody else has been hurt by
> thieves. This one gave me a real hartburn that will still burns years
> later.

Dang, Vic, you need to move back to America. Out here in God's
Country, we just don't see stuff like that...ever.

Heck, we don't even lock our convertible.

Glad you're getting your stuff back.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[[email protected]]

On May 31, 8:12 am, wrote:

>
> Deputies caught someone trying to fence a set of Bose headsets and
> Garmin 295 taken at the airport. Deputy also says they have found my
> Garmin 195. Several serch warrants have already been used.
> It looks like the thieves were homeboys.
>
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I respectfully suggest that you keep the pressure on, not only with
the Sheriff's department but with the prosecutor's office.

There is a tendency to allow crimes against property to go virtually
unpunished, lawyer'd away in plea bargains justified by limited
resources and community attention devoted to cases having a higher
profile. You may have to work pretty hard to get the idea across to
your community as well as the people it hires, that laws which are not
enforced simply encourages illegal activities.

Use the media to your advantage. There's more involved here than a
simple B&E.

-R.S.Hoover

[erik]

On May 26, 12:25 am, Dan > wrote:
> erik wrote:
> > On May 25, 12:07 pm, Scott > wrote:
> >> Except for the a$$holes. Maybe they'll blow their brains out while
> >> cleaning one of the guns...
>
> >> Scotthttp://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
> >> Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
> >> Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)
>
> >> Rich S. wrote:
>
> >> There are a$$holes out there and always will be. I hope
>
> >>> no one was hurt in the incident.
> >>> Rich S.
> >> --
>
> > Shouldn't the firearms have been locked away in safes at the owners'
> > residences, in stead of being in hangers or in planes? Here in South
> > Africa the owner of a gun stolen will more often than not end up in
> > jail charged with negligence, even before the investigation into the
> > theft will begin.
>
> > Erik Snyman
> > Messina
> > South Africa.
>
> Here in the U.S., in most states, reasonable care is the standard.
> This means minors and unauthorized persons don't have access. I agree
> firearms should be in a safe except those used for self defense. This is
> more to save the bother of recovering the firearms than to keep someone
> from stealing them.
>
> Assuming the hangar in question was locked that should be enough to
> protect any property from being stolen. A competent burglar can get into
> most safes and buildings if he is determined to do so.
>
> In my case I have a gun safe, but I shouldn't need it since I live
> alone and secure my house when I am not home. If South Africa holds the
> gun owner as much as or more responsible than the burglar then something
> is wrong there.
>
> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

There is more. A gun safe has to conform to governement
specifications. If you can not show forced entry into your safe (by
means of a grinder, drill, explosives, etc.) you will be charged with
having the gun stolen as a result of your own negligance. If found
guilty, in addition to possible jail time and a hefty fine, you will
also lose the licenses to the four firearms you as an ordinary private
citizen is allowed to own, and have to sell or give away said firearms
within a specified period of time. Failing this, it will be taken away
from you by the police, for destruction. You may not destroy the arms
yourself, as this is against the law. This leaves corrupt policemen
free to sell your firearm through the back door to criminals (which is
happening), and now you have contributed not only the original stolen
gun, but also the ones you are now deemed unfit to posess, to the
criminal underworld. Cases are said to be investigated in numerous
instances against numerous policemen selling confiscated guns to
criminals. One never hears about the outcome of such cases. Is
something wrong in South Africa where the criminal has more "rights"
than the victim? Where the victim is often persecuted for defending
his or her property/life/person with a firearm? And of course, heaven
helps you if, in the course of said self defense, a shot is fired and
the criminal is hit. The weapon will be taken from you by the police
for ballistic testing, which will commenly take up to two years to
complete. During which time you will be weaponless, if that weapon
happens to be the only one you posess. THEN charges of attemted
murder, manslaughter and others can be laid against you. Which means
that, if found guilty, you will be declared unfit to posess a firearm
and you will never be granted a lisence to own a firearm again. Then,
of course the criminal can sue you for compensation for pain and
suffering caused, loss of income, permanent disability, etc. etc. Is
something wrong in South Africa? You decide.....

Sorry about the tirade. I had a bad start-off to the day. Wrong side
of the bed and all that.

Erik Snyman
Messina
South Africa.

[jl]

On Jun 1, 2:54 am, erik > wrote:
> On May 26, 12:25 am, Dan > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > erik wrote:
> > > On May 25, 12:07 pm, Scott > wrote:
> > >> Except for the a$$holes. Maybe they'll blow their brains out while
> > >> cleaning one of the guns...
>
> > >> Scotthttp://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
> > >> Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
> > >> Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)
>
> > >> Rich S. wrote:
>
> > >> There are a$$holes out there and always will be. I hope
>
> > >>> no one was hurt in the incident.
> > >>> Rich S.
> > >> --
>
> > > Shouldn't the firearms have been locked away in safes at the owners'
> > > residences, in stead of being in hangers or in planes? Here in South
> > > Africa the owner of a gun stolen will more often than not end up in
> > > jail charged with negligence, even before the investigation into the
> > > theft will begin.
>
> > > Erik Snyman
> > > Messina
> > > South Africa.
>
> > Here in the U.S., in most states, reasonable care is the standard.
> > This means minors and unauthorized persons don't have access. I agree
> > firearms should be in a safe except those used for self defense. This is
> > more to save the bother of recovering the firearms than to keep someone
> > from stealing them.
>
> > Assuming the hangar in question was locked that should be enough to
> > protect any property from being stolen. A competent burglar can get into
> > most safes and buildings if he is determined to do so.
>
> > In my case I have a gun safe, but I shouldn't need it since I live
> > alone and secure my house when I am not home. If South Africa holds the
> > gun owner as much as or more responsible than the burglar then something
> > is wrong there.
>
> > Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> There is more. A gun safe has to conform to governement
> specifications. If you can not show forced entry into your safe (by
> means of a grinder, drill, explosives, etc.) you will be charged with
> having the gun stolen as a result of your own negligance. If found
> guilty, in addition to possible jail time and a hefty fine, you will
> also lose the licenses to the four firearms you as an ordinary private
> citizen is allowed to own, and have to sell or give away said firearms
> within a specified period of time. Failing this, it will be taken away
> from you by the police, for destruction. You may not destroy the arms
> yourself, as this is against the law. This leaves corrupt policemen
> free to sell your firearm through the back door to criminals (which is
> happening), and now you have contributed not only the original stolen
> gun, but also the ones you are now deemed unfit to posess, to the
> criminal underworld. Cases are said to be investigated in numerous
> instances against numerous policemen selling confiscated guns to
> criminals. One never hears about the outcome of such cases. Is
> something wrong in South Africa where the criminal has more "rights"
> than the victim? Where the victim is often persecuted for defending
> his or her property/life/person with a firearm? And of course, heaven
> helps you if, in the course of said self defense, a shot is fired and
> the criminal is hit. The weapon will be taken from you by the police
> for ballistic testing, which will commenly take up to two years to
> complete. During which time you will be weaponless, if that weapon
> happens to be the only one you posess. THEN charges of attemted
> murder, manslaughter and others can be laid against you. Which means
> that, if found guilty, you will be declared unfit to posess a firearm
> and you will never be granted a lisence to own a firearm again. Then,
> of course the criminal can sue you for compensation for pain and
> suffering caused, loss of income, permanent disability, etc. etc. Is
> something wrong in South Africa? You decide.....
>
> Sorry about the tirade. I had a bad start-off to the day. Wrong side
> of the bed and all that.
>
> Erik Snyman
> Messina
> South Africa.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

You should find another country to live in. In usenet I am reading
this expatriate from South Africa who moved away to another country.
He said SA after apartheid is an unsafe place to live. He said there
were 25,000 murders there per year. That sounds like SA is so
dangerous it would be unwise to stay.

And now I just read al Quaida is establishing footholds in SA.

[Tri-Pacer]

<> I respectfully suggest that you keep the pressure on, not only with
> the Sheriff's department but with the prosecutor's office.
>
> There is a tendency to allow crimes against property to go virtually
> unpunished,


I had very carefully drilled out hundreds of rivets to allow the entire rear
fuselage of an Alon A2A to be used by a chap to repair his damaged plane. In
addition I had a center section which I was removing the rear spar and other
parts from. These were stolen from me. The police wouldn't even come out and
took the report over the phone.

I hit up all the metal recycle places with a complete description of what
was stolen. I found my stuff (run over by a truck and squashed flat with the
12 inch numbers still showing on the flat fuselage) I located the thief and
turned it over to the detective after doing his work for him. It was never
prosecuted !!!

Cheers:

Paul
N1431A

[[email protected]]

On May 25, 1:03 pm, wrote:
> $1500 cash reward for info leading to arrest and conviction of lowlife
>

Two thieves were caught and all the guns but just a fraction of the
tools were returned. The fence seems to have brought back the tools
he felt were worth the $200 he paid and kept the rest. Other words,
if someone buy $3,000 worth of Snap-Ons for $200 it would be hard to
say later he did not know they were hot.

The detective who solved this case has made a big reputation for
himself. He has solved big crimes, right and left. His name is Jeff
Hamrick and he is becoming famous in these parts for digging in his
heels and not letting up.

All the avionics, mostly Garmin, King, and Bose headsets were returned
to their owners too.

The thieves are in jail awaiting trial under $100,000 bonds. They are
local to Rutherford County, in their late 20's and had no criminal
records.

Investigation is still open because of a number of fences and a string
of about 20 burglaries. And we understand another warrant for arrest
is outstanding. There is also official talk that someone on our
airport supplied information.

Watch your security, men, and record all those serial numbers. Serial
numbers helped us out. So did very accurate descriptions of the
property taken.

I would have killed just for that beautiful gold-triggered Browning .
22 target pistol that goes back to my boyhood. And now I'm proud to
say it's back home again.

Thanks to all of your for your support and special thanks to those
good-hearted souls Veedubber and Jim Weir who offered to add to the
reward.

[RST Engineering]

Just let us know when and where to send the $20 when they are convicted.
Who gets the reward?


Jim

--
"Work like you don't need the money, love like you've never been hurt, and
dance like no one is watching."
--Satchel Paige

> wrote in message
ups.com...

> On May 25, 1:03 pm, wrote:


> Thanks to all of your for your support and special thanks to those
> good-hearted souls Veedubber and Jim Weir who offered to add to the
> reward.
>

[[email protected]]

On Jun 9, 11:04 am, "RST Engineering" > wrote:
> Just let us know when and where to send the $20 when they are convicted.
> Who gets the reward?
>
> Jim
>
> --
> "Work like you don't need the money, love like you've never been hurt, and
> dance like no one is watching."
> --Satchel Paige
>
> > wrote in message
>
> ups.com...
>
>
>
> > On May 25, 1:03 pm, wrote:
> > Thanks to all of your for your support and special thanks to those
> > good-hearted souls Veedubber and Jim Weir who offered to add to the
> > reward.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

It would be nice to pay a reward but none is payable because law
officers cannot collect rewards. They are required to apprehend
without motives of a reward because it is their job. Only private
citizens can collect rewards. Thanks any way.

One burgler was fingered by a crack addicked girl and confessed. He
flipped on the other two... one of which is still being chased.

Now both burglers caught have confessed. They will get felony prison
sentences. I will report it here when that happens.
Vic

[RST Engineering]

Um ... simple burglary where there was no human hurt, no prior record, local
kids, most of the stuff recovered, confessed and saved the state the time
and trouble of prosecuting and proving ...

My best guess is a felony conviction with no more than a year (probably six
months) in the county pokey with another 5 years of probation.

Not that that is right or wrong, just a guess. Let's see how close I am.

Jim

--
"Work like you don't need the money, love like you've never been hurt, and
dance like no one is watching."
--Satchel Paige


>
> Now both burglers caught have confessed. They will get felony prison
> sentences. I will report it here when that happens.
> Vic
>

[Matt Whiting]

Richard Riley wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Jun 2007 10:43:49 -0700, "RST Engineering"
> > wrote:
>
>> Um ... simple burglary where there was no human hurt, no prior record, local
>> kids, most of the stuff recovered, confessed and saved the state the time
>> and trouble of prosecuting and proving ...
>>
>> My best guess is a felony conviction with no more than a year (probably six
>> months) in the county pokey with another 5 years of probation.
>>
>> Not that that is right or wrong, just a guess. Let's see how close I am.
>
> You'er *probably* right, but in my neck of So. Cal the DA doubles down
> when a burglar takes guns. State Pen. and more than a year in
> custody, even for a first offense. (I see him at the local shooting
> range from time to time.)

Since when does the DA establish the sentence? In most states the judge
does that.

Matt

[Big John]

Richard

A suggestion. In lieu of giving money, offer to take him and his wife
out for dinner to get briefed on the case.

He should be able to accept that with no problem.

Big John
************************************************** 888

On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 07:53:13 -0700, Richard Riley
> wrote:

>On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 13:12:56 GMT, Matt Whiting >
>wrote:
>
>>Richard Riley wrote:
>>> On Sat, 9 Jun 2007 10:43:49 -0700, "RST Engineering"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Um ... simple burglary where there was no human hurt, no prior record, local
>>>> kids, most of the stuff recovered, confessed and saved the state the time
>>>> and trouble of prosecuting and proving ...
>>>>
>>>> My best guess is a felony conviction with no more than a year (probably six
>>>> months) in the county pokey with another 5 years of probation.
>>>>
>>>> Not that that is right or wrong, just a guess. Let's see how close I am.
>>>
>>> You'er *probably* right, but in my neck of So. Cal the DA doubles down
>>> when a burglar takes guns. State Pen. and more than a year in
>>> custody, even for a first offense. (I see him at the local shooting
>>> range from time to time.)
>>
>>Since when does the DA establish the sentence? In most states the judge
>>does that.
>
>The DA effectively establishes the sentence whenever it's a plea
>bargain. The judge signs off on it - and they've been known to turn
>down a deal on rare occasion. But the DA has remarkable power in our
>system.

[Jonny[_2_]]

On Jun 11, 4:16 am, Big John > wrote:
> Richard
>
> A suggestion. In lieu of giving money, offer to take him and his wife
> out for dinner to get briefed on the case.
>
> He should be able to accept that with no problem.


Perhaps the local police have a charity they look after or even
something like a little league team? You could donate the reward to
them if it feels right.