Cost of CFI rating

[gatt]

Hey, all. Been searching around the internet trying to get a ballpark cost
to add CFI to a CP-ASEL-IA. Anybody done that lately?

-c

[Steven Barnes]

Spent about 5-6 hours polishing things in an Arrow. Apply your local rate.
A few ground lessons with my CFI. Most of them were him constantly asking
"why?" until I *had* to have a beer.
2 written exams, $80 each.
DE fee $400.

Lots of prep at home. I actually got the King CFI course. Pretty cheezy at
times, but it provided a few examples of how to present material. A couple
CFIs let me tag along on some instruction flights. Again, handy to see
different ways material is presented. Any "fun" flying I did, I did from the
right seat to get used to feel.

Luckily, my CFI did my IFR rating all the way through CFII. DE had done my
commercial ride a few months earlier. So, they were all quite familiar with
my knowledge level, or lack thereof.

You already know how to fly. They just want to see that you can explain how
things work, and why things are happening.

"gatt" > wrote in message
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>
> Hey, all. Been searching around the internet trying to get a ballpark
cost
> to add CFI to a CP-ASEL-IA. Anybody done that lately?
>
> -c
>
>

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Steven Barnes" > wrote in message
et...
>
> Spent about 5-6 hours polishing things in an Arrow. Apply your local rate.
> A few ground lessons with my CFI. Most of them were him constantly asking
> "why?" until I *had* to have a beer.
> 2 written exams, $80 each.
> DE fee $400.
>

What two written exams?

[gatt]

Thanks for that. I kinda panicked awhile ago until I realized that two of
the figures I saw either included the commerical program as well, or were
for helicopter. *whew*

Everybody have a safe and inspiring weekend!

-c

"Steven Barnes" > wrote in message
et...
> Spent about 5-6 hours polishing things in an Arrow. Apply your local rate.
> A few ground lessons with my CFI. Most of them were him constantly asking
> "why?" until I *had* to have a beer.
> 2 written exams, $80 each.
> DE fee $400.
>
> Lots of prep at home. I actually got the King CFI course. Pretty cheezy at
> times, but it provided a few examples of how to present material. A couple
> CFIs let me tag along on some instruction flights. Again, handy to see
> different ways material is presented. Any "fun" flying I did, I did from
> the
> right seat to get used to feel.
>
> Luckily, my CFI did my IFR rating all the way through CFII. DE had done my
> commercial ride a few months earlier. So, they were all quite familiar
> with
> my knowledge level, or lack thereof.
>
> You already know how to fly. They just want to see that you can explain
> how
> things work, and why things are happening.
>
> "gatt" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> Hey, all. Been searching around the internet trying to get a ballpark
> cost
>> to add CFI to a CP-ASEL-IA. Anybody done that lately?
>>
>> -c
>>
>>
>
>

[BT]

In USofA Fundamentals of Instruction and Instructor Airplane

Going rate for a written exam around here is $90
BT

"Steven P. McNicoll" > wrote in message
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> "Steven Barnes" > wrote in message
> et...
>>
>> Spent about 5-6 hours polishing things in an Arrow. Apply your local
>> rate.
>> A few ground lessons with my CFI. Most of them were him constantly asking
>> "why?" until I *had* to have a beer.
>> 2 written exams, $80 each.
>> DE fee $400.
>>
>
> What two written exams?
>
>

[Steven Barnes]

I think it's $90 here, too. But I got $10 off by having an AOPA membership.
CATS, I believe. The other FBO uses Lasergrade. Not sure if they offer AOPA
discount.

"BT" > wrote in message
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> In USofA Fundamentals of Instruction and Instructor Airplane
>
> Going rate for a written exam around here is $90
> BT
>
> "Steven P. McNicoll" > wrote in message
> hlink.net...
> >
> > "Steven Barnes" > wrote in message
> > et...
> >>
> >> Spent about 5-6 hours polishing things in an Arrow. Apply your local
> >> rate.
> >> A few ground lessons with my CFI. Most of them were him constantly
asking
> >> "why?" until I *had* to have a beer.
> >> 2 written exams, $80 each.
> >> DE fee $400.
> >>
> >
> > What two written exams?
> >
> >
>
>

[Andrew Sarangan]

On May 25, 8:15 pm, "gatt" > wrote:
> Hey, all. Been searching around the internet trying to get a ballpark cost
> to add CFI to a CP-ASEL-IA. Anybody done that lately?
>
> -c

Probably about 10 hours of flying from the right seat while
instructing, so cost should be less than $1500 including instructor
fee. Most of the work is ground prep, a great part of which you can do
yourself.

I would recommend getting the training from the most experienced and
respected instructor you can find. This is one rating where your
instructor can make a big difference. Unlike other checkrides, you
can't slowly ease into your role as a CFI. You may have to make
critical decisions from day one, and mistakes can cost you dearly.
I've known newly minted CFIs who made grave errors on their first few
months of instructing, one even resulted in the death of a student.
You will also have to know how to handle situations when pilots with
more hours than you come for a flight review, fly dangerously or try
to impress with you with their war stories. The FIO exam is a bunch of
crap. You can't rely on that information to become a good CFI.

[Robert M. Gary]

On May 25, 5:15 pm, "gatt" > wrote:
> Hey, all. Been searching around the internet trying to get a ballpark cost
> to add CFI to a CP-ASEL-IA. Anybody done that lately?
>
> -c

A lot of it depends on how up you are on the commercial manuervers. If
you can fly the commercial manuervers while talking (do lots, and lots
of talking) then you have the flying down. Its mostly ground work.
I've heard lots of stories about guys who go up with the examiner and
fly the commercial maneuvers from the right seat with their mouth
closed. The examiner says "nice flying, you failed". You gotta talk a
lot.

-Robert, CFII

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> On May 25, 5:15 pm, "gatt" > wrote:
>> Hey, all. Been searching around the internet trying to get a ballpark
>> cost
>> to add CFI to a CP-ASEL-IA. Anybody done that lately?
>>
>> -c
>
> A lot of it depends on how up you are on the commercial manuervers. If
> you can fly the commercial manuervers while talking (do lots, and lots
> of talking) then you have the flying down. Its mostly ground work.
> I've heard lots of stories about guys who go up with the examiner and
> fly the commercial maneuvers from the right seat with their mouth
> closed. The examiner says "nice flying, you failed". You gotta talk a
> lot.
>
> -Robert, CFII

Something I have always recommended to every CFI candidate studying for the
practical that crossed my path was to pick someone outside the aviation
community like a friend, a girlfriend, a mother or father etc. Ask them to
serve as a "student" guinea pig, then pick things at random that they will
be teaching as a CFI and try to "teach it to these people". Then have them
explain it back as they understand it from what you have both said and
demonstrated to them visually. It's an eye opening experience for a
potential CFI.
I have found this "technique" extremely helpful to new CFI applicants
getting ready for the examination.
I call this little exercise in learning how to teach properly, "The.... If I
can explain lift to my Mother and have HER understand it, I can explain lift
to ANYONE" test :"-)))
Works like a charm. I've suggested this technique to new instructors all
through my aviation life and never once regretted using it as a teaching
aid.
Dudley Henriques

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote

> Something I have always recommended to every CFI candidate studying for
> the practical that crossed my path was to pick someone outside the
> aviation community like a friend, a girlfriend, a mother or father etc.
> Ask them to serve as a "student" guinea pig, then pick things at random
> that they will be teaching as a CFI and try to "teach it to these people".
> Then have them explain it back as they understand it from what you have
> both said and demonstrated to them visually. It's an eye opening
> experience for a potential CFI.
> I have found this "technique" extremely helpful to new CFI applicants
> getting ready for the examination.

Hmmm. It sounds like it would be a good idea to try and teach a student
like this, all of the way up to the point of first solo, to make sure that
the potential CFI really has their skills in line.

Free of charge, of course! <ggg>
--
Jim in NC

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Morgans"> wrote

> Hmmm. It sounds like it would be a good idea to try and teach a student
> like this, all of the way up to the point of first solo, to make sure that
> the potential CFI really has their skills in line.
>
> Free of charge, of course! <ggg>

And as a further addition of thought....

If everyone really wants to swell the ranks of new pilots, make this
"student teaching" phase of a CFI's training a requirement.

It sure would get a lot of people that perhaps could not afford instruction
a chance to afford it.

It's just an idea. Not a very good one, but it's and idea! <g>
--
Jim in NC

[mike regish]

Is that IA supposed to be IR?

'Cause none of the replies I see seem to include that.

mike
"gatt" > wrote in message
...
>
> Hey, all. Been searching around the internet trying to get a ballpark
> cost to add CFI to a CP-ASEL-IA. Anybody done that lately?
>
> -c
>

[kontiki]

mike regish wrote:
> Is that IA supposed to be IR?
>

You must have an instrument rating to be a CFI. An
instrument instructor add-on to the CFI is just 'I'.

The only other comment I might make is to make sure
you are 110% proficient flying (and explaining) ANY
manuever, including chandeles and lazy-8s from the
right hand side. Generally that takes 10 - 15 hours
of practice.

As others have said, the rest is a lot of studying.

Good luck

[mike regish]

I know that . That's what I'm wondering here. Nobody seem to be mentioning
the cost of the IR.

mike

"kontiki" > wrote in message
...
> mike regish wrote:
>> Is that IA supposed to be IR?
>>
>
> You must have an instrument rating to be a CFI. An
> instrument instructor add-on to the CFI is just 'I'.
>

[Bob Moore]

mike regish wrote
> I know that . That's what I'm wondering here. Nobody seem to be
> mentioning the cost of the IR.

An "Instrment Rating" is shown on an airplane pilot certificate as
"Instrument Airplane", often abbreviated "IA", thus ASEL-IA.

IR would be the abbreviation for a rotorcraft instrument rating.

Bob Moore

[mike regish]

Never knew that. I thought IA was Inspection Authorization.

mike
"Bob Moore" > wrote in message
46.128...
> mike regish wrote
>> I know that . That's what I'm wondering here. Nobody seem to be
>> mentioning the cost of the IR.
>
> An "Instrment Rating" is shown on an airplane pilot certificate as
> "Instrument Airplane", often abbreviated "IA", thus ASEL-IA.
>
> IR would be the abbreviation for a rotorcraft instrument rating.
>
> Bob Moore

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote
>
>> Something I have always recommended to every CFI candidate studying for
>> the practical that crossed my path was to pick someone outside the
>> aviation community like a friend, a girlfriend, a mother or father etc.
>> Ask them to serve as a "student" guinea pig, then pick things at random
>> that they will be teaching as a CFI and try to "teach it to these
>> people". Then have them explain it back as they understand it from what
>> you have both said and demonstrated to them visually. It's an eye opening
>> experience for a potential CFI.
>> I have found this "technique" extremely helpful to new CFI applicants
>> getting ready for the examination.
>
> Hmmm. It sounds like it would be a good idea to try and teach a student
> like this, all of the way up to the point of first solo, to make sure that
> the potential CFI really has their skills in line.
>
> Free of charge, of course! <ggg>
> --
> Jim in NC

Actually Jim, you have innocently hit here on the SECOND page of the
"Henriques Rules Of Good Flight Instruction 101 Book" :-)....that being to
teach the student from the very beginning as though you were teaching that
student to be a flight instructor instead of a Private or Commercial Pilot.
When a student can teach it back to the instructor, a desired level of
retention and comprehension has been reached.
This is the way I've taught every pilot I've ever trained.
Dudley Henriques

[Leonard Ellis]

I just earned my CFI/CFII through the CFI Academy program at American Flyers
(Addison, Texas). It was certainly not the least expensive way to do it,
but for me the 30 day full-time program worked very well, although due to a
lot of nasty spring weather and a cold virus which laid me out for 4 days,
it took 5 weeks from start to finish rather than 4 (not all of it
full-time).

All in, including the AGI and IGI written tests in addition to the FOI,
CFIA, and CFII written tests, the practical test with the FAA Inspector for
the initial CFI-Airplane certificate (no test fee for the FAA Inspector) and
the CFII add-on rating under Part 141, the software licenses to drill for
the written exams (needed for my learning style), the books, etc. I spent
just under $6,200. That cost included 20.5 hours in their Cessna 172RGs and
0.8 hour of absolute fun spinning their 172R. I did supplement flying AF's
airplanes with a bit of right-seat practice in my own 172N to spiff up my
commercial maneuvers which were more than a bit rusty after earning my
Commerical rating more than 30 years ago.

Overall, I was very pleased with the American Flyers program and do not
hesitate to recommend it to others who want to get the training and
certificates done and can afford to take 4-5 weeks away from your primary
income producing activities. In my case, I burned nearly all of my annual
vacation allocation and am very thankful for my wife's support for this use
of vacation time.

Cheers,
Leonard Ellis
Dallas, Texas

[C J Campbell[_1_]]

On 2007-05-25 18:54:28 -0700, "BT" > said:

> In USofA Fundamentals of Instruction and Instructor Airplane
>
> Going rate for a written exam around here is $90
> BT

Might as well do the ground instructor exams while you're at it.

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

[C J Campbell[_1_]]

On 2007-05-25 17:15:39 -0700, "gatt" > said:

>
> Hey, all. Been searching around the internet trying to get a ballpark cost
> to add CFI to a CP-ASEL-IA. Anybody done that lately?
>
> -c

I have seen people do it with just two hours in the right seat and
considerable ground preparation.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

[Chris]

"C J Campbell" > wrote in message
news:2007052717073338165-christophercampbell@hotmailcom...
> On 2007-05-25 17:15:39 -0700, "gatt" > said:
>
>>
>> Hey, all. Been searching around the internet trying to get a ballpark
>> cost
>> to add CFI to a CP-ASEL-IA. Anybody done that lately?
>>
>> -c
>
> I have seen people do it with just two hours in the right seat and
> considerable ground preparation.

JAR instructor rating 30 hours flying, 125 ground school , 90 with a CFI 35
self study

[Mark T. Dame]

Dudley Henriques wrote:
>
> Something I have always recommended to every CFI candidate studying for the
> practical that crossed my path was to pick someone outside the aviation
> community like a friend, a girlfriend, a mother or father etc. Ask them to
> serve as a "student" guinea pig, then pick things at random that they will
> be teaching as a CFI and try to "teach it to these people".

I'm going for my CFI checkride in a couple of weeks. I finished all of
the flying and ground work a couple of weeks ago, but between FAA delays
and real life interfering (work, family vacation, etc), the checkride
isn't until June 18. With all of that time on my hands, I'm planning on
doing just that. Actually, I went up on Saturday for that purpose, put
my "guinea pig" has bad allergy problems and had just dosed, so it
didn't work out. I'm going to try again with someone else before the
checkride.


> I have found this "technique" extremely helpful to new CFI applicants
> getting ready for the examination.

No one suggested it to me, it just seemed an obvious way to practice.
Good to have that theory validated by someone else's experience.


-m
--
## Mark T. Dame >
## CP-ASEL, AGI
## <insert tail number here>
## KHAO, KISZ
"I love cats. They taste just like chicken."

[gatt]

Ah... the original question assumed PP-ASEL-IA, so the instrument rating is
already there. I'm afraid to remember what I spent on the instrument
rating, but I passed it -IN- IMC.

-c


"mike regish" > wrote in message
. ..
>I know that . That's what I'm wondering here. Nobody seem to be mentioning
>the cost of the IR.
>
> mike
>
> "kontiki" > wrote in message
> ...
>> mike regish wrote:
>>> Is that IA supposed to be IR?
>>>
>>
>> You must have an instrument rating to be a CFI. An
>> instrument instructor add-on to the CFI is just 'I'.
>>
>
>