A Flight I Denied (172RG To Fiji) Lets Wish Him Luck he is "Enroute"

[NW_Pilot]

Flight was not worth $2,000 to me I guess to some one it was!!! I wanted
$3,500 Labor Single Engine over the big Pond Ummmm I guess he is tanked with
200 gallons total onboard.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N9484B

Lets wish this pilot some good luck on this trip whoever it may be.

[Erik]

NW_Pilot wrote:

> Flight was not worth $2,000 to me I guess to some one it was!!! I wanted
> $3,500 Labor Single Engine over the big Pond Ummmm I guess he is tanked with
> 200 gallons total onboard.
>
> http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N9484B
>
> Lets wish this pilot some good luck on this trip whoever it may be.
>
>

Well, that link has a route to Hawaii from Hayward. It does say that
a 172 is going 2300+ miles.

I wonder where the fuel stops are going to be. Is it even possible
for a 172 to carry that much fuel?

[Montblack]

("NW_Pilot" wrote)
> http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N9484B
>
> Lets wish this pilot some good luck on this trip whoever it may be.


I check him out:
Estimated Time Enroute vs. other 172's:

2:50
2:40
1:35

17:00 <-------- Him (books on tape? <g>)

1:20
2:21
3:39
1:15


Montblack
My sister and her hubby spent over a month in Fiji, last August (pre-coup).
They loved it!

[C J Campbell[_1_]]

On 2007-05-29 14:25:07 -0700, Erik > said:

> NW_Pilot wrote:
>
>> Flight was not worth $2,000 to me I guess to some one it was!!! I
>> wanted $3,500 Labor Single Engine over the big Pond Ummmm I guess he is
>> tanked with 200 gallons total onboard.
>>
>> http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N9484B
>>
>> Lets wish this pilot some good luck on this trip whoever it may be.
>>
>
> Well, that link has a route to Hawaii from Hayward. It does say that
> a 172 is going 2300+ miles.
>
> I wonder where the fuel stops are going to be. Is it even possible
> for a 172 to carry that much fuel?

With auxiliary tanks and a ferry flight permit from the FAA. This is a
long old trip and NW Pilot was quite right in turning it down as not
paying enough. I have never figured out how people manage to stay awake
long enough to make these flights.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

[NW_Pilot]

"Erik" > wrote in message
...
> NW_Pilot wrote:
>
>> Flight was not worth $2,000 to me I guess to some one it was!!! I wanted
>> $3,500 Labor Single Engine over the big Pond Ummmm I guess he is tanked
>> with 200 gallons total onboard.
>>
>> http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N9484B
>>
>> Lets wish this pilot some good luck on this trip whoever it may be.
>
> Well, that link has a route to Hawaii from Hayward. It does say that
> a 172 is going 2300+ miles.
>
> I wonder where the fuel stops are going to be. Is it even possible
> for a 172 to carry that much fuel?
>

He is tanked with 200 gallons of fuel onboard!!! He has more than enough
range to make it direct. I am just not sitting my rear in a Ratty OLD 172RG
for 18 hours.... Then have to do it Again the Next Day and the Next!!!! Not
for $2,000 No way!!! Now if it was a New 182 or 206 Yea, But I Still would
charge more than $2,000 ($2,000 labor is what the job was offering for 4
days worth of risk)

[NW_Pilot]

"C J Campbell" > wrote in message
news:200705291439078930-christophercampbell@hotmailcom...
> On 2007-05-29 14:25:07 -0700, Erik > said:
>
>> NW_Pilot wrote:
>>
>>> Flight was not worth $2,000 to me I guess to some one it was!!! I wanted
>>> $3,500 Labor Single Engine over the big Pond Ummmm I guess he is tanked
>>> with 200 gallons total onboard.
>>>
>>> http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N9484B
>>>
>>> Lets wish this pilot some good luck on this trip whoever it may be.
>>>
>>
>> Well, that link has a route to Hawaii from Hayward. It does say that
>> a 172 is going 2300+ miles.
>>
>> I wonder where the fuel stops are going to be. Is it even possible
>> for a 172 to carry that much fuel?
>
> With auxiliary tanks and a ferry flight permit from the FAA. This is a
> long old trip and NW Pilot was quite right in turning it down as not
> paying enough. I have never figured out how people manage to stay awake
> long enough to make these flights.
> --
> Waddling Eagle
> World Famous Flight Instructor
>

In the old days it was Coffee thoday it's called Energy Drinks haahahahaha
In 13 Hours I can drink 6 sugar free Monsters!

[NW_Pilot]

"C J Campbell" > wrote in message
news:200705291439078930-christophercampbell@hotmailcom...
> On 2007-05-29 14:25:07 -0700, Erik > said:
>
>> NW_Pilot wrote:
>>
>>> Flight was not worth $2,000 to me I guess to some one it was!!! I wanted
>>> $3,500 Labor Single Engine over the big Pond Ummmm I guess he is tanked
>>> with 200 gallons total onboard.
>>>
>>> http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N9484B
>>>
>>> Lets wish this pilot some good luck on this trip whoever it may be.
>>>
>>
>> Well, that link has a route to Hawaii from Hayward. It does say that
>> a 172 is going 2300+ miles.
>>
>> I wonder where the fuel stops are going to be. Is it even possible
>> for a 172 to carry that much fuel?
>
> With auxiliary tanks and a ferry flight permit from the FAA. This is a
> long old trip and NW Pilot was quite right in turning it down as not
> paying enough. I have never figured out how people manage to stay awake
> long enough to make these flights.
> --
> Waddling Eagle
> World Famous Flight Instructor
>

My Minimum Single Engine Over the Big Pond Is $3,500 Labor Multi Engine
$2,500 Labor and that's My Minimum's!

You all want to see What The Faa paperwork looks like for a tanked Aircraft
flying overgross I think I have a copy some place here I will can scan and
upload.

[Gig 601XL Builder]

NW_Pilot wrote:
> "Erik" > wrote in message
> ...
>> NW_Pilot wrote:
>>
>>> Flight was not worth $2,000 to me I guess to some one it was!!! I
>>> wanted $3,500 Labor Single Engine over the big Pond Ummmm I guess
>>> he is tanked with 200 gallons total onboard.
>>>
>>> http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N9484B
>>>
>>> Lets wish this pilot some good luck on this trip whoever it may be.
>>
>> Well, that link has a route to Hawaii from Hayward. It does say that
>> a 172 is going 2300+ miles.
>>
>> I wonder where the fuel stops are going to be. Is it even possible
>> for a 172 to carry that much fuel?
>>
>
> He is tanked with 200 gallons of fuel onboard!!! He has more than
> enough range to make it direct. I am just not sitting my rear in a
> Ratty OLD 172RG for 18 hours.... Then have to do it Again the Next
> Day and the Next!!!! Not for $2,000 No way!!! Now if it was a New 182
> or 206 Yea, But I Still would charge more than $2,000 ($2,000 labor
> is what the job was offering for 4 days worth of risk)

50+ hours of retract time for the log book. That's worth $7560 to some young
buck. Plus he gets to hang out in Fiji and chill for a few days.

I wouldn't do it for 5 times that much today but 20 years ago. Probably.

[NW_Pilot]

"C J Campbell" > wrote in message
news:200705291439078930-christophercampbell@hotmailcom...
> On 2007-05-29 14:25:07 -0700, Erik > said:
>
>> NW_Pilot wrote:
>>
>>> Flight was not worth $2,000 to me I guess to some one it was!!! I wanted
>>> $3,500 Labor Single Engine over the big Pond Ummmm I guess he is tanked
>>> with 200 gallons total onboard.
>>>
>>> http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N9484B
>>>
>>> Lets wish this pilot some good luck on this trip whoever it may be.
>>>
>>
>> Well, that link has a route to Hawaii from Hayward. It does say that
>> a 172 is going 2300+ miles.
>>
>> I wonder where the fuel stops are going to be. Is it even possible
>> for a 172 to carry that much fuel?
>
> With auxiliary tanks and a ferry flight permit from the FAA. This is a
> long old trip and NW Pilot was quite right in turning it down as not
> paying enough. I have never figured out how people manage to stay awake
> long enough to make these flights.
> --
> Waddling Eagle
> World Famous Flight Instructor
>

OK, Could not find a copy of the 337 But here is sample paperwork for a
tanked airplane

http://www.hostclip.com/dl/acd3af5f41f91a0417464f2b2554de8c

[NW_Pilot]

"Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net> wrote in message
...
> NW_Pilot wrote:
>> "Erik" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> NW_Pilot wrote:
>>>
>>>> Flight was not worth $2,000 to me I guess to some one it was!!! I
>>>> wanted $3,500 Labor Single Engine over the big Pond Ummmm I guess
>>>> he is tanked with 200 gallons total onboard.
>>>>
>>>> http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N9484B
>>>>
>>>> Lets wish this pilot some good luck on this trip whoever it may be.
>>>
>>> Well, that link has a route to Hawaii from Hayward. It does say that
>>> a 172 is going 2300+ miles.
>>>
>>> I wonder where the fuel stops are going to be. Is it even possible
>>> for a 172 to carry that much fuel?
>>>
>>
>> He is tanked with 200 gallons of fuel onboard!!! He has more than
>> enough range to make it direct. I am just not sitting my rear in a
>> Ratty OLD 172RG for 18 hours.... Then have to do it Again the Next
>> Day and the Next!!!! Not for $2,000 No way!!! Now if it was a New 182
>> or 206 Yea, But I Still would charge more than $2,000 ($2,000 labor
>> is what the job was offering for 4 days worth of risk)
>
> 50+ hours of retract time for the log book. That's worth $7560 to some
> young buck. Plus he gets to hang out in Fiji and chill for a few days.
>
> I wouldn't do it for 5 times that much today but 20 years ago. Probably.
>

The broker handling this flight will not pay for him to hang for a few day's
maybe one day if lucky depending on airline availability and his arrival in
Fiji then he is huffing it to the airport on the next flight out to the next
ferry flight or back home.

[Maxwell]

"NW_Pilot" > wrote in message
. ..
>>
>> 50+ hours of retract time for the log book. That's worth $7560 to some
>> young buck. Plus he gets to hang out in Fiji and chill for a few days.
>>
>> I wouldn't do it for 5 times that much today but 20 years ago. Probably.
>>
>
> The broker handling this flight will not pay for him to hang for a few
> day's maybe one day if lucky depending on airline availability and his
> arrival in Fiji then he is huffing it to the airport on the next flight
> out to the next ferry flight or back home.

Looks like he either forgot the columbia coffee, or picked up a heck of head
wind!!!

[Jim Burns[_2_]]

"NW_Pilot" > wrote in message >
> ferry flight or back home.

I think that's happening now. Hope it wasn't anything life threatening.

Jim

[Mortimer Schnerd, RN[_2_]]

Jim Burns wrote:
> "NW_Pilot" > wrote in message >
>> ferry flight or back home.
>
> I think that's happening now. Hope it wasn't anything life threatening.


He's not even heading back to his airport of origin... he's skeedaddling
straight due east. I wonder what happened?



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

[John Clear]

In article >,
Mortimer Schnerd, RN <mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com> wrote:
>Jim Burns wrote:
>> "NW_Pilot" > wrote in message >
>>> ferry flight or back home.
>>
>> I think that's happening now. Hope it wasn't anything life threatening.
>
>
>He's not even heading back to his airport of origin... he's skeedaddling
>straight due east. I wonder what happened?

How does Flight Aware generate its oceanic tracks? There isn't
radar out there. It might just be estimated positions. Or maybe
his GPS went out, and he is heading due east since he is guaranteed
to hit land that way...

Hopefully it is nothing life threatening.

John
--
John Clear - http://www.clear-prop.org/

[NW_Pilot]

Give it some time sometimes the flightaware system is a bit buggy while
enroute will show a 180 for climbs etc.... and it all depends on his
position reports also. Remember no Radar Service out there.


"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" <mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com> wrote in message
...
> Jim Burns wrote:
>> "NW_Pilot" > wrote in message >
>>> ferry flight or back home.
>>
>> I think that's happening now. Hope it wasn't anything life threatening.
>
>
> He's not even heading back to his airport of origin... he's skeedaddling
> straight due east. I wonder what happened?
>
>
>
> --
> Mortimer Schnerd, RN
> mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com
>

[NW_Pilot]

"John Clear" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> Mortimer Schnerd, RN <mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com> wrote:
>>Jim Burns wrote:
>>> "NW_Pilot" > wrote in message >
>>>> ferry flight or back home.
>>>
>>> I think that's happening now. Hope it wasn't anything life threatening.
>>
>>
>>He's not even heading back to his airport of origin... he's skeedaddling
>>straight due east. I wonder what happened?
>
> How does Flight Aware generate its oceanic tracks? There isn't
> radar out there. It might just be estimated positions. Or maybe
> his GPS went out, and he is heading due east since he is guaranteed
> to hit land that way...
>
> Hopefully it is nothing life threatening.
>
> John
> --
> John Clear - http://www.clear-prop.org/
>

I am sure there is traffic in the aera and he could get a relay and he also
will be HF or Sat phone equipped.(He Better Be) and always have a back up
GPS just incase.

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, "NW_Pilot" > said:
>Give it some time sometimes the flightaware system is a bit buggy while
>enroute will show a 180 for climbs etc.... and it all depends on his
>position reports also. Remember no Radar Service out there.

Well, now it's showing him back outbound again.


--
Paul Tomblin > http://blog.xcski.com/
"AOL would be a giant diesel-smoking bus with hundreds of ebola victims on
board throwing dead wombats and rotten cabbage at the other cars"
- a.s.r throws the Information Superhighway metaphor into reverse.

[NW_Pilot]

"Montblack" > wrote in message
...
> ("NW_Pilot" wrote)
>> http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N9484B
>>
>> Lets wish this pilot some good luck on this trip whoever it may be.
>
>
> I check him out:
> Estimated Time Enroute vs. other 172's:
>
> 2:50
> 2:40
> 1:35
>
> 17:00 <-------- Him (books on tape? <g>)
>
> 1:20
> 2:21
> 3:39
> 1:15
>
>
> Montblack
> My sister and her hubby spent over a month in Fiji, last August
> (pre-coup). They loved it!
>


George Carlin Audio Books are Great. George Carlin actually reads them to
you! With the HF (ham radio) there is always things to do on that little
radio talk to the Oceanliners etc. they all think we are crazy hahaha.

[Montblack]

("NW_Pilot" wrote)
>> Hopefully it is nothing life threatening.

> I am sure there is traffic in the aera and he could get a relay and he
> also will be HF or Sat phone equipped.(He Better Be) and always have a
> back up GPS just incase.


Don't you hate when you're out over the Pacific, and you can't remember if
you left the iron plugged in?

He/she is making a beeline back to shore.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N9484B

Wait a minute! Now he/she's heading out again. Hmm?

Hope he/she is actually flying the plane.


Montblack

[gatt]

"C J Campbell" > wrote in message
news:200705291439078930-christophercampbell@hotmailcom...

>>> http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N9484B
>>>
>>> Lets wish this pilot some good luck on this trip whoever it may be.

> With auxiliary tanks and a ferry flight permit from the FAA. This is a
> long old trip and NW Pilot was quite right in turning it down as not
> paying enough. I have never figured out how people manage to stay awake
> long enough to make these flights.

As of 5:58 PM Pacific time, something looks wrong with his flight track. He
appears to have turned back, flown some distance and then turned back again.

Software glitch I hope?

-c

[NW_Pilot]

"Montblack" > wrote in message
...
> ("NW_Pilot" wrote)
>>> Hopefully it is nothing life threatening.
>
>> I am sure there is traffic in the aera and he could get a relay and he
>> also will be HF or Sat phone equipped.(He Better Be) and always have a
>> back up GPS just incase.
>
>
> Don't you hate when you're out over the Pacific, and you can't remember if
> you left the iron plugged in?
>
> He/she is making a beeline back to shore.
>
> http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N9484B
>
> Wait a minute! Now he/she's heading out again. Hmm?
>
> Hope he/she is actually flying the plane.
>
>
> Montblack
>

Look at the track log

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N9484B/history/20070529/2042Z/KHWD/PHNL/tracklog

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, (Paul Tomblin) said:
>In a previous article, "NW_Pilot" > said:
>>Give it some time sometimes the flightaware system is a bit buggy while
>>enroute will show a 180 for climbs etc.... and it all depends on his
>>position reports also. Remember no Radar Service out there.
>
>Well, now it's showing him back outbound again.

And now the outbound track appears to be in a perfect line with the
original outbound track. Which makes me think that out and back spike was
a glitch.



--
Paul Tomblin > http://blog.xcski.com/
"Whoah, whoah! A fat sarcastic Star Trek fan? You must be a devil with the
ladies!" - Simpsons

[Jim Burns]

He seems to be making hourly position reports about 1/2 past the hour.
Jim

[Jim Logajan]

"NW_Pilot" > wrote:
> Look at the track log
>
> http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N9484B/history/20070529/2042Z/KHWD/PHNL/tracklog

Time Position(Lat/Long) Speed(kts) Altitude(ft)
....
07:28PM 36.17 -137.50 318 9000
....

That's quite a tail wind!

[Crash Lander[_1_]]

He left an hour late, and is now 2 hours behind schedule, if I read that
right.
Never seen that site before. I don't know of anything like it for Australian
flights.
Is his flight path, in a big 'Z' line normal? Or could he have been lost?
Crash Lander
--
http://straightandlevel1973.spaces.live.com/
I'm not always right,
But I'm never wrong!
"NW_Pilot" > wrote in message
. ..
> Flight was not worth $2,000 to me I guess to some one it was!!! I wanted
> $3,500 Labor Single Engine over the big Pond Ummmm I guess he is tanked
> with 200 gallons total onboard.
>
> http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N9484B
>
> Lets wish this pilot some good luck on this trip whoever it may be.
>

[Jim Logajan]

"Crash Lander" > wrote:
> Is his flight path, in a big 'Z' line normal?

It appears to due to a data entry glitch. If you click on the
"Status En Route (No recent position)" link you will see the position
log:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N9484B/history/20070529/2042Z/KHWD/PHNL/tracklog

It would appear that the longitude entry for 7:28PM has a type: it says
-137.50 but clearly should have been -127.50.

A careful examination of the flight log shows minute-by-minute updates
up to 6:34PM and then roughly hourly after that. According to Google
Earth, the position at 6:34PM was a distance of about 200 miles from the
California coast. Which is consistent with what I understand is typical
ATC radar coverage range - perhaps someone who has more knowledge of the
subject can confirm or correct that.

[Dan[_1_]]

On May 29, 8:39 pm, Jim Logajan > wrote:
> "Crash Lander" > wrote:
> > Is his flight path, in a big 'Z' line normal?
>
> It appears to due to a data entry glitch. If you click on the
> "Status En Route (No recent position)" link you will see the position
> log:
>
> http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N9484B/history/20070529/2042Z/KHWD...
>
> It would appear that the longitude entry for 7:28PM has a type: it says
> -137.50 but clearly should have been -127.50.
>
> A careful examination of the flight log shows minute-by-minute updates
> up to 6:34PM and then roughly hourly after that. According to Google
> Earth, the position at 6:34PM was a distance of about 200 miles from the
> California coast. Which is consistent with what I understand is typical
> ATC radar coverage range - perhaps someone who has more knowledge of the
> subject can confirm or correct that.

Seems funny to me that he planned the flight to arrive in the dark....
On a flight like this, wouldn't you prefer to arrive in daylight?

--Dan

[Maxwell]

"Dan" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Seems funny to me that he planned the flight to arrive in the dark....
> On a flight like this, wouldn't you prefer to arrive in daylight?
>

I certainly would have. Considering fatgue alone, I think I would have
wanted to get the night flying over with first. Perhaps plan to arrive 3 to
4 hours before sunset. Perhaps his is just not a morning person?

[Montblack]

("Dan" wrote)
> Seems funny to me that he planned the flight to arrive in the dark....
> On a flight like this, wouldn't you prefer to arrive in daylight?


Might have a wee bit to do with weather patterns, is my guess.


Montblack

[Denny]

What has always been the problem for commercial pilots since the
Wright Brothers is that some new guy will always do the flight for
less, or even free, just to get the log time...
That is why, other than the unionized majors, guys are flying freight
dogs at night for $7 an hour...
denny

[Mortimer Schnerd, RN[_2_]]

Dan wrote:
> Seems funny to me that he planned the flight to arrive in the dark....
> On a flight like this, wouldn't you prefer to arrive in daylight?


One big advantage to arriving at night: land sticks out like a sore thumb
because of the lights. But I admit I'd rather end a long flight in daylight
simply so I would be more alert.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

[Mortimer Schnerd, RN[_2_]]

Montblack wrote:
> ("Dan" wrote)
>> Seems funny to me that he planned the flight to arrive in the dark....
>> On a flight like this, wouldn't you prefer to arrive in daylight?
>
>
> Might have a wee bit to do with weather patterns, is my guess.


Well, it's a moot point now. He landed a few minutes ago in Honolulu.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

[xyzzy]

On May 29, 5:20 pm, "NW_Pilot" >
wrote:
> Flight was not worth $2,000 to me I guess to some one it was!!! I wanted
> $3,500 Labor Single Engine over the big Pond Ummmm I guess he is tanked with
> 200 gallons total onboard.
>
> http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N9484B
>

What does aircraft type GTWN mean?

[Robert M. Gary]

On May 30, 5:04 am, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN" <mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com>
wrote:
> Dan wrote:
> > Seems funny to me that he planned the flight to arrive in the dark....
> > On a flight like this, wouldn't you prefer to arrive in daylight?
>
> One big advantage to arriving at night: land sticks out like a sore thumb
> because of the lights. But I admit I'd rather end a long flight in daylight
> simply so I would be more alert.

Are you still more alert in the day if you've been flying for 17
hours? Seems like you are usually more alert in the day because you
normally sleep at night.

-Robert

[john smith[_2_]]

In article . com>,
xyzzy > wrote:

> > http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N9484B

> What does aircraft type GTWN mean?

Gross Takeoff Weight NOT

:-))

[Robert M. Gary]

On May 29, 2:20 pm, "NW_Pilot" >
wrote:
> Flight was not worth $2,000 to me I guess to some one it was!!! I wanted
> $3,500 Labor Single Engine over the big Pond Ummmm I guess he is tanked with
> 200 gallons total onboard.
>
> http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N9484B
>
> Lets wish this pilot some good luck on this trip whoever it may be.

I'm guessing that funny looking jog on his flight path must be the
result of an error in his position report that briefly put him way out
there. Afterwards his path seems to pick up where it was suppose to
be.

-Robert

[M[_1_]]

On May 29, 3:37 pm, "NW_Pilot" >
wrote:
>
> OK, Could not find a copy of the 337 But here is sample paperwork for a
> tanked airplane
>
> http://www.hostclip.com/dl/acd3af5f41f91a0417464f2b2554de8c

It says autopilot prohibited while the plane is overweight. I guess
it's hand fly all the way?

[Newps]

M wrote:

> On May 29, 3:37 pm, "NW_Pilot" >
> wrote:
>
>>OK, Could not find a copy of the 337 But here is sample paperwork for a
>>tanked airplane
>>
>>http://www.hostclip.com/dl/acd3af5f41f91a0417464f2b2554de8c
>
>
> It says autopilot prohibited while the plane is overweight. I guess
> it's hand fly all the way?
>

No, just while overweight.