Aviation Beer

[Jay Honeck]

Okay, since no one seems to be flying much, we might as well talk
about something truly important...like beer.

Mary just picked up a 6-pack of "Major Tom's Pomegranate Wheat" ale
from the store. Why?

Well, because it has a biplane on the container, of course! (Gotta
love her taste in beer... ;-) It appears to be a Stearman, but the
cockpit has a turtle-deck, so that's not quite right...

But I digress.

As I'm sitting her supping it (and it's quite good, actually, although
I'm not sure that "pomegranate juice" has any business in beer), I
started to think about all the "aviation beers" I've imbibed over the
years.

For some strange reason, brewers -- especially microbrewers -- seem to
be enamored with aviation. Can you name any of your local "aviation
ales"?

Better yet, can you bring any of them to the "Rec.Aviation H.O.P.S.
Party" at our campsite during Oshkosh, for all to enjoy?

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Erik]

Be careful. Some counties, like the one I live
in, are "zero-tolerance." There is NO legal BAC.

Which means that even one beer, regardless of the
effects on your driving, count as a DUI.


Jay Honeck wrote:
> Okay, since no one seems to be flying much, we might as well talk
> about something truly important...like beer.
>
> Mary just picked up a 6-pack of "Major Tom's Pomegranate Wheat" ale
> from the store. Why?
>
> Well, because it has a biplane on the container, of course! (Gotta
> love her taste in beer... ;-) It appears to be a Stearman, but the
> cockpit has a turtle-deck, so that's not quite right...
>
> But I digress.
>
> As I'm sitting her supping it (and it's quite good, actually, although
> I'm not sure that "pomegranate juice" has any business in beer), I
> started to think about all the "aviation beers" I've imbibed over the
> years.
>
> For some strange reason, brewers -- especially microbrewers -- seem to
> be enamored with aviation. Can you name any of your local "aviation
> ales"?
>
> Better yet, can you bring any of them to the "Rec.Aviation H.O.P.S.
> Party" at our campsite during Oshkosh, for all to enjoy?
>
> :-)
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>

[Robert M. Gary]

On May 31, 3:34 pm, Jay Honeck > wrote:
> Okay, since no one seems to be flying much, we might as well talk
> about something truly important...like beer.
>
> Mary just picked up a 6-pack of "Major Tom's Pomegranate Wheat" ale
> from the store. Why?
>
> Well, because it has a biplane on the container, of course! (Gotta
> love her taste in beer... ;-) It appears to be a Stearman, but the
> cockpit has a turtle-deck, so that's not quite right...
>
> But I digress.
>
> As I'm sitting her supping it (and it's quite good, actually, although
> I'm not sure that "pomegranate juice" has any business in beer), I
> started to think about all the "aviation beers" I've imbibed over the
> years.
>
> For some strange reason, brewers -- especially microbrewers -- seem to
> be enamored with aviation. Can you name any of your local "aviation
> ales"?
>
> Better yet, can you bring any of them to the "Rec.Aviation H.O.P.S.
> Party" at our campsite during Oshkosh, for all to enjoy?
>
> :-)
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

I saw Aviator's Gin at Bev Mo, two weeks later I saw a bottle at
Sacramento Skyranch aircraft parts supplier. They had even provided
FAA paperwork for it.

-Robert

[Viperdoc[_4_]]

There's Warbird Ale from Indiana, brewed by a T-6 owner. It really wasn't
too bad!

I agree that talking about beer is preferable to inane questions about
mythological autopilots, and much more fun.

[Newps]

If you ever get off your ass and fly somewhere good instead of one flat
land airport after another you can fly to this place. He doesn't update
his website hardly ever but his beer can be found around here plus he's
an airplane nut.


http://www.langcreekbrewery.com/



Look on his pictures page for views of his strip.




Jay Honeck wrote:

> Okay, since no one seems to be flying much, we might as well talk
> about something truly important...like beer.
>
> Mary just picked up a 6-pack of "Major Tom's Pomegranate Wheat" ale
> from the store. Why?
>
> Well, because it has a biplane on the container, of course! (Gotta
> love her taste in beer... ;-) It appears to be a Stearman, but the
> cockpit has a turtle-deck, so that's not quite right...
>
> But I digress.
>
> As I'm sitting her supping it (and it's quite good, actually, although
> I'm not sure that "pomegranate juice" has any business in beer), I
> started to think about all the "aviation beers" I've imbibed over the
> years.
>
> For some strange reason, brewers -- especially microbrewers -- seem to
> be enamored with aviation. Can you name any of your local "aviation
> ales"?
>
> Better yet, can you bring any of them to the "Rec.Aviation H.O.P.S.
> Party" at our campsite during Oshkosh, for all to enjoy?
>
> :-)
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Okay, since no one seems to be flying much, we might as well talk
> about something truly important...like beer.
>
> Mary just picked up a 6-pack of "Major Tom's Pomegranate Wheat" ale
> from the store. Why?
>
> Well, because it has a biplane on the container, of course! (Gotta
> love her taste in beer... ;-) It appears to be a Stearman, but the
> cockpit has a turtle-deck, so that's not quite right...

.............probably a Grumman Agcat Jay. Sounds like it might be anyway.
Nothing like a cold one after a long hard day dusting an alphalfa field and
breathing in all that Malithion!! :-)))
Dudley Henriques

[Gerald S.]

At MUC there is Airbrau that has very good beer. I have a 5 liter
bottle with a plop-top that I brought back. In Feldkirchen outside of
Munich there is Fliegerbrau. They have very nice Weissbier glasses that
I bought. The inside has some radio controlled airplanes and some other
random stuff.

In Oakland there is Hanger One Vodka. Never been there but I have to
make the trip one day.

Gerald

[Montblack]

("Newps" wrote)
> If you ever get off your ass and fly somewhere good instead of one flat
> land airport after another you can fly to this place. He doesn't update
> his website hardly ever but his beer can be found around here plus he's an
> airplane nut.
>
> http://www.langcreekbrewery.com/


A six-pack of Tri-Motor Amber, on your next trip to ANE, if you would
please. <g>

Thank you.


Montblack

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

"Montblack" > wrote in message
...
> ("Newps" wrote)
>> If you ever get off your ass and fly somewhere good instead of one flat
>> land airport after another you can fly to this place. He doesn't update
>> his website hardly ever but his beer can be found around here plus he's
>> an
>> airplane nut.
>>
>> http://www.langcreekbrewery.com/
>
>
> A six-pack of Tri-Motor Amber, on your next trip to ANE, if you would
> please. <g>
>
> Thank you.
>
>
> Montblack

Never forget the fighter pilots rule about drinking and flying.
"Never drink and fly. Pull off to the side of the taxiway and drink, THEN go
fly!!"
Dudley Henriques

[Jay Honeck]

> Be careful. Some counties, like the one I live
> in, are "zero-tolerance." There is NO legal BAC.
>
> Which means that even one beer, regardless of the
> effects on your driving, count as a DUI.

So, did you think I was posting from my car?

Let me get this straight: You have NO legal blood alchohol level where
you live? A glass of wine with dinner is now completely illegal in
your county?

That's sickening.

This crazy, never-ending expansion of the "Nanny Society" will
apparently never be complete, until every last one of our freedoms has
been taken away. They've driven the smokers out into the cold, so now
they're looking for some other "threat" to address. All in the name
of "the greater good".

Soon, we won't be able to go for a walk after dinner without complying
with a mandatory helmet law...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> If you ever get off your ass and fly somewhere good instead of one flat
> land airport after another

This from the guy who never, EVER flies into Oshkosh?

Wimp.

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> At MUC there is Airbrau that has very good beer. I have a 5 liter
> bottle with a plop-top that I brought back.

Am I reading that right -- a "5 liter bottle"?

Damn, they aren't messing around, are they?

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jose]

> They've driven the smokers out into the cold,

Well, I for one rejoice at that. Smokers should be driven out not
because it harms them to smoke (if you want to hurt yourself, be my
guest) but because it fouls the air for other people for days.

Jose
--
There are two kinds of people in the world. Those that just want to
know what button to push, and those that want to know what happens when
they push the button.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[WestCDA]

I highly recommend a visit to McMinville, Oregon's Golden Valley Brewery.
Excellent brew-pub with great food. They have a generous sample tray of
their products, with descriptions of the beers and ingredients, that I had
the pleasure of drinking my way through. Good Beer.

The FBO (at least a couple of years ago) had an ex-police black&white sedan
as a courtesty vehicle, with obligatory outboard swiveling searchlight.
Park that on the side of the road and watch the brake lights show!

http://www.goldenvalleybrewery.com/

Another great reason to visit McMinville is the Evergreen Aviation Museum,
home of the Spruce Goose as well as a superb collection of other aircraft.
You can walk to it from the airport - or alternately take your ex-police car
over there on the way to the hotel.

http://www.sprucegoose.org/

And a short flight west over the hills takes you to the Tillamook Air Museum
on the Oregon coast, with another great collection of aircraft housed in a
genuine WWII blimp hanger - the largest wooden structure in the world. The
building itself is awe inspiring - I remember they measure the roof area
(all wood) in acres.

http://www.tillamookair.com/

At that point, you're at a perfect launching point for flying the Pacific
coast - a fantastic air adventure in itself.








"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Okay, since no one seems to be flying much, we might as well talk
> about something truly important...like beer.
>
> Mary just picked up a 6-pack of "Major Tom's Pomegranate Wheat" ale
> from the store. Why?
>
> Well, because it has a biplane on the container, of course! (Gotta
> love her taste in beer... ;-) It appears to be a Stearman, but the
> cockpit has a turtle-deck, so that's not quite right...
>
> But I digress.
>
> As I'm sitting her supping it (and it's quite good, actually, although
> I'm not sure that "pomegranate juice" has any business in beer), I
> started to think about all the "aviation beers" I've imbibed over the
> years.
>
> For some strange reason, brewers -- especially microbrewers -- seem to
> be enamored with aviation. Can you name any of your local "aviation
> ales"?
>
> Better yet, can you bring any of them to the "Rec.Aviation H.O.P.S.
> Party" at our campsite during Oshkosh, for all to enjoy?
>
> :-)
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>

[Thomas Borchert]

Jay,

Spitfire in the UK seems fitting.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Judah]

Jose > wrote in news:GoO7i.24890$JZ3.3963
@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net:

>> They've driven the smokers out into the cold,
>
> Well, I for one rejoice at that. Smokers should be driven out not
> because it harms them to smoke (if you want to hurt yourself, be my
> guest) but because it fouls the air for other people for days.

I haven't smoked in a long time, so I'm not upset that the laws supposedly
protect me from second-hand smoke, but I think they've taken it too far in
many areas.

In Seattle, for example, you are not allowed to smoke within 25' of a
building. I think that's ridiculous.

In New York, they have made it impossible to smoke at any restaurant or
Bar. I think that's also ridiculous.

The law should require some sort of signage on the restaurant to indicate
that is a smoking establishment, and if you don't like smoke, you don't go
there... If there is concern that all restaurants would choose to be
smoking restaurants (which they wouldn't) they could put an incentive in
for restaurants and bars that completely smoke free.

If a man owns a small business, he can't smoke in his office, even if he's
the only one there. I say let him smoke if he takes the necessary
precautions to prevent his smoke from venting into the rest of the
building.

The laws for asbestos are less rigid than the laws for cigarrete smoke.

[NW_Pilot]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>> Be careful. Some counties, like the one I live
>> in, are "zero-tolerance." There is NO legal BAC.
>>
>> Which means that even one beer, regardless of the
>> effects on your driving, count as a DUI.
>
> So, did you think I was posting from my car?
>
> Let me get this straight: You have NO legal blood alchohol level where
> you live? A glass of wine with dinner is now completely illegal in
> your county?
>
> That's sickening.
>
> This crazy, never-ending expansion of the "Nanny Society" will
> apparently never be complete, until every last one of our freedoms has
> been taken away. They've driven the smokers out into the cold, so now
> they're looking for some other "threat" to address. All in the name
> of "the greater good".
>
> Soon, we won't be able to go for a walk after dinner without complying
> with a mandatory helmet law...
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>

Dam Jay!!!!

I like you hahahaha Need to get there and have a few brews with ya!!!

[NW_Pilot]

"Jose" > wrote in message
et...
>> They've driven the smokers out into the cold,
>
> Well, I for one rejoice at that. Smokers should be driven out not because
> it harms them to smoke (if you want to hurt yourself, be my guest) but
> because it fouls the air for other people for days.
>
> Jose
> --
> There are two kinds of people in the world. Those that just want to know
> what button to push, and those that want to know what happens when they
> push the button.
> for Email, make the obvious change in the address.


But it takes away the freedom of choice dumbass!!! Don't like the smoke go
to a place that chouses to be smoke free!!!!

P.S. I am non smoker!!!!

[Matt Barrow[_4_]]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>> At MUC there is Airbrau that has very good beer. I have a 5 liter
>> bottle with a plop-top that I brought back.
>
> Am I reading that right -- a "5 liter bottle"?
>
> Damn, they aren't messing around, are they?
>
> :-)

They must have bladders as big as churchbells.

[Clive - Selectron]

http://www.spitfireale.co.uk/spitfire_ale.htm

They had fun with the advertising...'No Fokker comes close'
etc until smacked by the Advertising Standards police.
-C-
"Thomas Borchert" > wrote in message
...
> Jay,
>
> Spitfire in the UK seems fitting.
>
> --
> Thomas Borchert (EDDH)
>

[Erik]

Jay Honeck wrote:

>>Be careful. Some counties, like the one I live
>>in, are "zero-tolerance." There is NO legal BAC.
>>
>>Which means that even one beer, regardless of the
>>effects on your driving, count as a DUI.
>
>
> So, did you think I was posting from my car?

No, no, don't get me wrong, I'm still bitter about a situation
I had some time ago.

>
> Let me get this straight: You have NO legal blood alchohol level where
> you live? A glass of wine with dinner is now completely illegal in
> your county?
>
> That's sickening.
>

Don't forget stupid, ****ed up, stupid. They even changed the
name of the charge to DUII from DWI because it's now "Driving
Under the Influence of Intoxicants" rather than "Driving
While Intoxicated" because the "0.08" doesn't count here.
Yes, cold medicines count.

But think about it. Someone ****es you off, all you have to do
is follow them around a little while, witness them having A beer
somewhere and getting in their car. A simple cell phone call
later and you don't even have to be at the arrest because the
cops will take them in and breathalyzer them.

Could ruin an ATP dream. Or put it off for a very long time.

[Erik]

Judah wrote:

> Jose > wrote in news:GoO7i.24890$JZ3.3963
> @newssvr13.news.prodigy.net:
>
>
>>>They've driven the smokers out into the cold,
>>
>>Well, I for one rejoice at that. Smokers should be driven out not
>>because it harms them to smoke (if you want to hurt yourself, be my
>>guest) but because it fouls the air for other people for days.
>
>
> I haven't smoked in a long time, so I'm not upset that the laws supposedly
> protect me from second-hand smoke, but I think they've taken it too far in
> many areas.
>
> In Seattle, for example, you are not allowed to smoke within 25' of a
> building. I think that's ridiculous.

25' of a door or a window that opens. Stupid.

[Matt Barrow[_4_]]

"Erik" > wrote in message
...
> Judah wrote:
>
>> Jose > wrote in news:GoO7i.24890$JZ3.3963
>> @newssvr13.news.prodigy.net:
>>
>>
>>>>They've driven the smokers out into the cold,
>>>
>>>Well, I for one rejoice at that. Smokers should be driven out not
>>>because it harms them to smoke (if you want to hurt yourself, be my
>>>guest) but because it fouls the air for other people for days.

Just like a SFB jackbooted thug to tell someone how to live on THEIR
property.

>> I haven't smoked in a long time, so I'm not upset that the laws
>> supposedly protect me from second-hand smoke, but I think they've taken
>> it too far in many areas.

You do know that the "studies" about second-hand smoke were completely
bogus, dont you?

>>
>> In Seattle, for example, you are not allowed to smoke within 25' of a
>> building. I think that's ridiculous.
>
> 25' of a door or a window that opens. Stupid.

What are those thugs smoking?

[Kloudy via AviationKB.com]

Judah wrote:

>
>In New York, they have made it impossible to smoke at any restaurant or
>Bar. I think that's also ridiculous.
>
>The law should require some sort of signage on the restaurant to indicate
>that is a smoking establishment, and if you don't like smoke, you don't go
>there... If there is concern that all restaurants would choose to be
>smoking restaurants (which they wouldn't) they could put an incentive in
>for restaurants and bars that completely smoke free.
>
>If a man owns a small business, he can't smoke in his office, even if he's
>the only one there. I say let him smoke if he takes the necessary
>precautions to prevent his smoke from venting into the rest of the
>building.
>
>The laws for asbestos are less rigid than the laws for cigarrete smoke.

I love Paris. People smoke everywhere.
No one complains.


I don't smoke anymore but...jesus cut the crappy state-control-of-every-
friggin' thing.

For those who do smoke, I encourage you to stop. If you were able to look
inside yourselves (I occasionally look inside many of you) you'd be horrified
to see what's goin' on.
Keep trying. It is possible.

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[Larry Dighera]

On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 16:15:38 GMT, "Kloudy via AviationKB.com"
<u33403@uwe> wrote in <730e24cd823c8@uwe>:

>For those who do smoke, I encourage you to stop. If you were able to look
>inside yourselves (I occasionally look inside many of you) you'd be horrified
>to see what's goin' on.

How long after you quit does it take for your insides to look better?

[Kloudy via AviationKB.com]

Larry Dighera wrote:

>
>How long after you quit does it take for your insides to look better?

Varies according to how much smoke done-gone-in and for how long.
One thing is for certain, things start improving immediately. Just some
things may not get completely repaired.

Sadly, for some it might never get better.


(Mainly cuz they gonna die first) : (

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[Dallas]

On Thu, 31 May 2007 15:43:38 -0700, Erik wrote:

> Be careful. Some counties, like the one I live
> in, are "zero-tolerance." There is NO legal BAC.

Erik, would you mind telling us what country you live in?

--
Dallas

[Kloudy via AviationKB.com]

Dallas wrote:
>> Be careful. Some counties, like the one I live
>> in, are "zero-tolerance." There is NO legal BAC.
>
>Erik, would you mind telling us what country you live in?
>
I think he wrote COUNT-IES

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[Mark T. Dame]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>
> Soon, we won't be able to go for a walk after dinner without complying
> with a mandatory helmet law...

Isn't that on the ballot this fall?


-m
--
## Mark T. Dame >
## CP-ASEL, AGI
## <insert tail number here>
## KHAO, KISZ
". . . computer science becomes the "art of computer science" because
so few formal techniques are available to ensure success."
-- C: The Complete Reference, Herbert Schildt

[Mark T. Dame]

Viperdoc wrote:
>
> I agree that talking about beer is preferable to inane questions about
> mythological autopilots, and much more fun.

If my mythological autopilot drinks an aviation themed beer in a county
that outlaws driving while smoking, how long do I have to wait before it
can fly a coordinated turn?


-m
--
## Mark T. Dame >
## CP-ASEL, AGI
## <insert tail number here>
## KHAO, KISZ
". . . computer science becomes the "art of computer science" because
so few formal techniques are available to ensure success."
-- C: The Complete Reference, Herbert Schildt

[Jay Honeck]

> >How long after you quit does it take for your insides to look better?
>
> Varies according to how much smoke done-gone-in and for how long.
> One thing is for certain, things start improving immediately. Just some
> things may not get completely repaired.

Well, I quit smoking 21 years ago. Best think I ever did, and I hope
my lungs are nice and pink again.

But all these stupid laws making it a crime for people to smoke --
OUTSIDE, now, for chrissakes -- is just sickening.

I was visiting a friend at the hospital last week, and noticed that
they have now banned smoking OUTSIDE the hospital. All these poor
people, some in wheel chairs, must now push themselves OFF HOSPITAL
PROPERTY to have a smoke!

Un-friggin'-believeable. How did this kind of society develop when we
weren't looking? Big Brother really is now EVERYWHERE.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Snowbird]

"Thomas Borchert" wrote ..
> Jay,
>
> Spitfire in the UK seems fitting.
> --
> Thomas Borchert (EDDH)
>

Agree. In a Check Sixpack ;-)

[Jay Honeck]

> At that point, you're at a perfect launching point for flying the Pacific
> coast - a fantastic air adventure in itself.

Ah, you've described my dream flight. Take a couple of weeks off, and
go fly around in Newps' territory for a while. Then fly over to
Oregon, Washington, and down Hwy 1 to San Diego.

I've done it in a motorcyle -- someday I want to do it in Atlas....

Finding aviation beer all the way! I wonder if there are any
"aviation-themed" wines in Napa Valley...?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[[email protected]]

Mark T. Dame > wrote:
> Viperdoc wrote:
>> I agree that talking about beer is preferable to inane questions about
>> mythological autopilots, and much more fun.
>
> If my mythological autopilot drinks an aviation themed beer in a county
> that outlaws driving while smoking, how long do I have to wait before it
> can fly a coordinated turn?

On the ground, engine off, your aircraft has to be able to

1) balance on its mains

2) follow the stripe down the center of the taxiway for at least
100 feet or 30 m

3) with the landing lights off, bend the left wingtip around to touch
the spinner, then the right wingtip

4) recite the phonetic alphabet backwards

Matt Roberds

[Montblack]

("Jay Honeck" wrote)
> I was visiting a friend at the hospital last week, and noticed that they
> have now banned smoking OUTSIDE the hospital. All these poor people, some
> in wheel chairs, must now push themselves OFF HOSPITAL PROPERTY to have a
> smoke!
>
> Un-friggin'-believeable. How did this kind of society develop when we
> weren't looking? Big Brother really is now EVERYWHERE.


I am in favor of No-Smoking legislation.

However, before any bill gets passed, the State must get off all of the tax
monies smoking generates. All of it ...cold turkey. That amount of lost
revenue gets slashed from the budget ...again, cold turkey. No new taxes are
allowed, to make up for the deficit. Programs must be cut!

And that will NEVER happen.


Montblack
Jeez, what the heck have I been smok'n?

[JGalban via AviationKB.com]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>
>For some strange reason, brewers -- especially microbrewers -- seem to
>be enamored with aviation. Can you name any of your local "aviation
>ales"?
>

Jet City Ale. It's supposed to be a Seattle microbrew, but it's actually
produced under contract by a brewer in (where else?) Iowa. :-)))

John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)

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[Jim Burns[_2_]]

Ok, thanks... you owe me a keyboard, but it was worth the laugh! :)
Jim

> On the ground, engine off, your aircraft has to be able to
>
> 1) balance on its mains
>
> 2) follow the stripe down the center of the taxiway for at least
> 100 feet or 30 m
>
> 3) with the landing lights off, bend the left wingtip around to touch
> the spinner, then the right wingtip
>
> 4) recite the phonetic alphabet backwards
>
> Matt Roberds
>

[Gig 601XL Builder]

Erik wrote:
> Be careful. Some counties, like the one I live
> in, are "zero-tolerance." There is NO legal BAC.
>
> Which means that even one beer, regardless of the
> effects on your driving, count as a DUI.
>

What state and county is that?

[Matt Barrow[_4_]]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>> >How long after you quit does it take for your insides to look better?
>>
>> Varies according to how much smoke done-gone-in and for how long.
>> One thing is for certain, things start improving immediately. Just some
>> things may not get completely repaired.
>
> Well, I quit smoking 21 years ago. Best think I ever did, and I hope
> my lungs are nice and pink again.

I'm a three-or-four a day smoker.

No, not packs....these: http://tinyurl.com/29x54e

Inhale one of these and it's ALL OVER.

Better than drugs and damn near as expensive.


> Un-friggin'-believeable. How did this kind of society develop when we
> weren't looking?

You were looking in the wrong places. It started over 150 years ago.

> Big Brother really is now EVERYWHERE.

Yup...and he's not going away.

So....?

[Matt Barrow[_4_]]

"Mark T. Dame" > wrote in message
...
> Jay Honeck wrote:
>>
>> Soon, we won't be able to go for a walk after dinner without complying
>> with a mandatory helmet law...
>
> Isn't that on the ballot this fall?
>
SHUT UP, MAN! Or you're going to blow it for us! :~(

[Matt Barrow[_4_]]

"Mark T. Dame" > wrote in message
...
> Viperdoc wrote:
>>
>> I agree that talking about beer is preferable to inane questions about
>> mythological autopilots, and much more fun.
>
> If my mythological autopilot drinks an aviation themed beer in a county
> that outlaws driving while smoking, how long do I have to wait before it
> can fly a coordinated turn?
>
Until MSFS boots up.

[Matt Barrow[_4_]]

> wrote in message
...
> Mark T. Dame > wrote:
>> Viperdoc wrote:
>>> I agree that talking about beer is preferable to inane questions about
>>> mythological autopilots, and much more fun.
>>
>> If my mythological autopilot drinks an aviation themed beer in a county
>> that outlaws driving while smoking, how long do I have to wait before it
>> can fly a coordinated turn?
>
> On the ground, engine off, your aircraft has to be able to
>
> 1) balance on its mains
>
> 2) follow the stripe down the center of the taxiway for at least
> 100 feet or 30 m
>
> 3) with the landing lights off, bend the left wingtip around to touch
> the spinner, then the right wingtip
>
> 4) recite the phonetic alphabet backwards
>
> Matt Roberds

There goes another monitor and keyboard!! :~)))

[Matt Barrow[_4_]]

"Snowbird" > wrote in message
ti.fi...
>
> "Thomas Borchert" wrote ..
>> Jay,
>>
>> Spitfire in the UK seems fitting.
>> --
>> Thomas Borchert (EDDH)
>>
>
> Agree. In a Check Sixpack ;-)
Statistics

A recent study found that the average American walks about 900 miles a year.
Another study by the American Beer Institute found that the average American
drinks 22 gallons of beer a year.

This means, on average, Americans get approximately 41 miles per gallon.
Not bad!!!

I love statistics!!

[Jay Honeck]

> Jet City Ale. It's supposed to be a Seattle microbrew, but it's actually
> produced under contract by a brewer in (where else?) Iowa. :-)))

No way!

I'll be it's made out in Amana (17 miles from here, by air) at the
Millstream Brewery. They do a lot of that "contract beer" stuff.

The brewery is an easy walk from the bucolic grass strip in Amana...

(No, we're NOT drinking and flying. But Atlas has a wonderful 1400+
pound useful load, and it shan't be wasted! A case of Schild Brau is
always a welcome addition... ;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> I'm a three-or-four a day smoker.
>
> No, not packs....these:http://tinyurl.com/29x54e
>
> Inhale one of these and it's ALL OVER.

Gak. You smoke very expensive...turds. Never could figure out how
anyone could put something like that in their mouths, but I've got
friends who swear by them...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Erik]

Dallas wrote:
> On Thu, 31 May 2007 15:43:38 -0700, Erik wrote:
>
>
>>Be careful. Some counties, like the one I live
>>in, are "zero-tolerance." There is NO legal BAC.
>
>
> Erik, would you mind telling us what country you live in?
>

County, Washington in Oregon

[Matt Barrow[_4_]]

"Erik" > wrote in message
...
> Dallas wrote:
>> On Thu, 31 May 2007 15:43:38 -0700, Erik wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Be careful. Some counties, like the one I live
>>>in, are "zero-tolerance." There is NO legal BAC.
>>
>>
>> Erik, would you mind telling us what country you live in?
>>
>
> County, Washington in Oregon

Very left-wing Portland.

[Matt Barrow[_4_]]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>> I'm a three-or-four a day smoker.
>>
>> No, not packs....these:http://tinyurl.com/29x54e
>>
>> Inhale one of these and it's ALL OVER.
>
> Gak. You smoke very expensive...turds. Never could figure out how
> anyone could put something like that in their mouths, but I've got
> friends who swear by them...


Turd, my ass (oopps, that didn't come out right...I mean...oh, never mind)

More like a very fine wine or superior brandy.

[NW_Pilot]

"Kloudy via AviationKB.com" <u33403@uwe> wrote in message
news:730e24cd823c8@uwe...
> Judah wrote:
>
>>
>>In New York, they have made it impossible to smoke at any restaurant or
>>Bar. I think that's also ridiculous.
>>
>>The law should require some sort of signage on the restaurant to indicate
>>that is a smoking establishment, and if you don't like smoke, you don't go
>>there... If there is concern that all restaurants would choose to be
>>smoking restaurants (which they wouldn't) they could put an incentive in
>>for restaurants and bars that completely smoke free.
>>
>>If a man owns a small business, he can't smoke in his office, even if he's
>>the only one there. I say let him smoke if he takes the necessary
>>precautions to prevent his smoke from venting into the rest of the
>>building.
>>
>>The laws for asbestos are less rigid than the laws for cigarrete smoke.
>
> I love Paris. People smoke everywhere.
> No one complains.
>
>
> I don't smoke anymore but...jesus cut the crappy state-control-of-every-
> friggin' thing.
>
> For those who do smoke, I encourage you to stop. If you were able to look
> inside yourselves (I occasionally look inside many of you) you'd be
> horrified
> to see what's goin' on.
> Keep trying. It is possible.
>
> --
> Message posted via AviationKB.com
> http://www.aviationkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/aviation/200706/1
>

3 packs a Day Quit the day I Soloed an airplane as they Say trade one for
another. My adrenalin gets me higher than a Cigarette but I build tolerances
fast.

[[email protected]]

Not beer, but how about some wine?

http://www.chandellewinery.com/

[NW_Pilot]

"Erik" > wrote in message
...
> Dallas wrote:
>> On Thu, 31 May 2007 15:43:38 -0700, Erik wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Be careful. Some counties, like the one I live
>>>in, are "zero-tolerance." There is NO legal BAC.
>>
>>
>> Erik, would you mind telling us what country you live in?
>>
>
> County, Washington in Oregon
>

Ahhhh that explains it that's place lets the tweekers run free but lockup
the drunks and harmless pot smokers that have permits.

[NW_Pilot]

"Matt Barrow" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Erik" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Dallas wrote:
>>> On Thu, 31 May 2007 15:43:38 -0700, Erik wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Be careful. Some counties, like the one I live
>>>>in, are "zero-tolerance." There is NO legal BAC.
>>>
>>>
>>> Erik, would you mind telling us what country you live in?
>>>
>>
>> County, Washington in Oregon
>
> Very left-wing Portland.
>
>
>

It is the Left Coast!!!!

[Jay Honeck]

> > Gak. You smoke very expensive...turds. Never could figure out how
> > anyone could put something like that in their mouths, but I've got
> > friends who swear by them...
>
> Turd, my ass (oopps, that didn't come out right...I mean...oh, never mind)
>
> More like a very fine wine or superior brandy.

Sometimes a cigar is just...a cigar...?

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Erik]

NW_Pilot wrote:

> "Erik" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Dallas wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 31 May 2007 15:43:38 -0700, Erik wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Be careful. Some counties, like the one I live
>>>>in, are "zero-tolerance." There is NO legal BAC.
>>>
>>>
>>>Erik, would you mind telling us what country you live in?
>>>
>>
>>County, Washington in Oregon
>>
>
>
> Ahhhh that explains it that's place lets the tweekers run free but lockup
> the drunks and harmless pot smokers that have permits.
>
>

Hahaha. Yeah, never been in trouble in my life, but now
I'm a goddamned soul-sucking criminal.

Note: Multinomah county (where Portland actually is) is not
the same, they actually have a .08 rule, so if you go downtown
and have a couple beers, then drive into Washington county,
you're only a criminal once you cross the county line.

[Judah]

"Matt Barrow" > wrote in news:1AX7i.161259
:

> You do know that the "studies" about second-hand smoke were completely
> bogus, dont you?

Do you mean to imply that you believe that there is no harm caused to your
lungs when you breathe smoke in the air that you did not personally suck out
of a cigarrette? I'm afraid I just don't concur with that opinion.

However, I DO believe that you and I should both have the right to choose if
we want to take that risk. As long as I have proper warning that I might come
into contact with smoke if I go somewhere like a bar, restaurant, office
building, etc., it should be MY responsibility to determine what's best for
my well being and the well being of my family.

[Judah]

Jay Honeck > wrote in news:1180719390.500866.264950
@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:

> Un-friggin'-believeable. How did this kind of society develop when we
> weren't looking? Big Brother really is now EVERYWHERE.

Not quite everywhere, but it's headed in that direction.

There are still some people who do not have GPS enabled cell phones.

My neighbor was telling me that she had heard of a device that goes on a
keychain that you can give to your kids to keep track of them in case of an
abduction. She said the current version is essentially a memory stick where
you can keep vitals and such for the police to react quickly, but they are
working on a GPS unit that will "LoJack" the kids.

I said all they have to do is embed the chip in the kids hand, call it a
Logan, and they can kill everyone off at 31.

As long as I don't have to have one.

[Judah]

wrote in :

> 4) recite the phonetic alphabet backwards

Do you mean
Zulu, Yankee, X-Ray, etc.

or

Ahpla, ovarB, eilrahC, cte.?

[Jim Logajan]

Judah > wrote:
> wrote in
> :
>
>> 4) recite the phonetic alphabet backwards
>
> Do you mean
> Zulu, Yankee, X-Ray, etc.
>
> or
>
> Ahpla, ovarB, eilrahC, cte.?

Shouldn't that be:

?.cte ,eilrahC ,ovarB ,ahplA

[B A R R Y]

On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 22:09:14 GMT, Judah > wrote:


> ovarB,

Is that a female body part?

[NW_Pilot]

"Judah" > wrote in message
. ..
> Jay Honeck > wrote in news:1180719390.500866.264950
> @o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:
>
>> Un-friggin'-believeable. How did this kind of society develop when we
>> weren't looking? Big Brother really is now EVERYWHERE.
>
> Not quite everywhere, but it's headed in that direction.
>
> There are still some people who do not have GPS enabled cell phones.
>
> My neighbor was telling me that she had heard of a device that goes on a
> keychain that you can give to your kids to keep track of them in case of
> an
> abduction. She said the current version is essentially a memory stick
> where
> you can keep vitals and such for the police to react quickly, but they are
> working on a GPS unit that will "LoJack" the kids.
>
> I said all they have to do is embed the chip in the kids hand, call it a
> Logan, and they can kill everyone off at 31.
>
> As long as I don't have to have one.


When you get your annual flu shot they insert nano tracking devices the
batteries in these devices only last approximately 1 year, That is why they
always tell you to be sure to get your flu shot early!!!

Humans A Spectator Sport!

[Kloudy via AviationKB.com]

B A R R Y wrote:
>> ovarB,
>
>Is that a female body part?


nope...its like location.

As in, "I Bnot here. There I ovarB."

--
Message posted via http://www.aviationkb.com

[NW_Pilot]

"Erik" > wrote in message
...
> NW_Pilot wrote:
>
>> "Erik" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>Dallas wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 31 May 2007 15:43:38 -0700, Erik wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Be careful. Some counties, like the one I live
>>>>>in, are "zero-tolerance." There is NO legal BAC.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Erik, would you mind telling us what country you live in?
>>>>
>>>
>>>County, Washington in Oregon
>>>
>>
>>
>> Ahhhh that explains it that's place lets the tweekers run free but lockup
>> the drunks and harmless pot smokers that have permits.
>
> Hahaha. Yeah, never been in trouble in my life, but now
> I'm a goddamned soul-sucking criminal.
>
> Note: Multinomah county (where Portland actually is) is not
> the same, they actually have a .08 rule, so if you go downtown
> and have a couple beers, then drive into Washington county,
> you're only a criminal once you cross the county line.
>

Yea, Land of the Free No, Land of the Buck!! Police are revenue generators
and the only thing they protect and serve is the Governments Bank Account.
Welcome to the Police States of America! Land of the Buck Home of the Rats!

"Humans A Spectator Sport"

[Erik]

Jim Logajan wrote:
> Judah > wrote:
>
wrote in
:
>>
>>
>>>4) recite the phonetic alphabet backwards
>>
>>Do you mean
>>Zulu, Yankee, X-Ray, etc.
>>
>>or
>>
>>Ahpla, ovarB, eilrahC, cte.?
>
>
> Shouldn't that be:
>
> ?.cte ,eilrahC ,ovarB ,ahplA


BUSTED!!

[Morgans[_2_]]

"NW_Pilot" > wrote
>
> When you get your annual flu shot they insert nano tracking devices the
> batteries in these devices only last approximately 1 year, That is why
> they always tell you to be sure to get your flu shot early!!!

Who in the hell told you that???
--
Jim in NC

[Newps]

I will look for that around here. A good trade off for a hangar search
service.



Montblack wrote:
> ("Newps" wrote)
>
>>If you ever get off your ass and fly somewhere good instead of one flat
>>land airport after another you can fly to this place. He doesn't update
>>his website hardly ever but his beer can be found around here plus he's an
>>airplane nut.
>>
>>http://www.langcreekbrewery.com/
>
>
>
> A six-pack of Tri-Motor Amber, on your next trip to ANE, if you would
> please. <g>
>
> Thank you.
>
>
> Montblack
>
>
>

[Newps]

Fly into an area with that many blithering idiots? I think not. Maybe
someday. More important things to do around here at that time.



Jay Honeck wrote:

>>If you ever get off your ass and fly somewhere good instead of one flat
>>land airport after another
>
>
> This from the guy who never, EVER flies into Oshkosh?
>
> Wimp.
>
> ;-)
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>

[Erik]

Morgans wrote:

> "NW_Pilot" > wrote
>
>>When you get your annual flu shot they insert nano tracking devices the
>>batteries in these devices only last approximately 1 year, That is why
>>they always tell you to be sure to get your flu shot early!!!
>
>
> Who in the hell told you that???

He searches for them with his own home-built xray
machine.

[NW_Pilot]

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
> "NW_Pilot" > wrote
>>
>> When you get your annual flu shot they insert nano tracking devices the
>> batteries in these devices only last approximately 1 year, That is why
>> they always tell you to be sure to get your flu shot early!!!
>
> Who in the hell told you that???
> --
> Jim in NC
>

Jim Morrison came to me in a Derem along with a Dead Alien "The Naked Indian
Was Busy" And they told me!!!!!

[Matt Barrow[_4_]]

"Judah" > wrote in message
. ..
> "Matt Barrow" > wrote in news:1AX7i.161259
> :
>
>> You do know that the "studies" about second-hand smoke were completely
>> bogus, dont you?
>
> Do you mean to imply that you believe that there is no harm caused to your
> lungs when you breathe smoke in the air that you did not personally suck
> out
> of a cigarrette?

That's not what the SHS studies were aiming at. Read what they concluded and
HOW they came to that conclusion. In the private sector it's called FRAUD.
IN the government sector it's called POLITICS.

If you're _really_ interested, Walter Williams did a two part series about
what a crock the SHS "research" was.

Here's a snippet:

"A serious public health threat had to be manufactured, and in 1993 the
Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) stepped in to the rescue with their
bogus environmental tobacco smoke (ETS) study that says secondhand tobacco
smoke is a class A carcinogenic.
Why is it bogus? The EPA claimed that 3,000 Americans die annually from
secondhand smoke, but there was a problem. They couldn't come up with that
conclusion using the standard statistical 95 percent confidence interval.
They lowered their study's confidence interval to 90 percent. That has the
effect of doubling the margin of error and doubling the probability that
mere chance explains those 3,000 deaths.

The Congressional Research Service (CRS) said, "Admittedly, it is unusual to
return to a study after the fact, lower the required significance level, and
declare its results to be supportive rather than unsupportive of the effect
one's theory suggests should be present." The CRS was being kind. This kind
of doctoring of research results would get a graduate student expelled from
a university."

> I'm afraid I just don't concur with that opinion.

And neither did the SHS studies. Please dig a bit beyond what the MSM
force-feeds you.


> However, I DO believe that you and I should both have the right to choose
> if
> we want to take that risk. As long as I have proper warning that I might
> come
> into contact with smoke if I go somewhere like a bar, restaurant, office
> building, etc., it should be MY responsibility to determine what's best
> for
> my well being and the well being of my family.

Quite! And the notion that private property is no longer private because you
invite people in is BS collectivism.

[Matt Barrow[_4_]]

"Erik" > wrote in message
...
>
> Hahaha. Yeah, never been in trouble in my life, but now
> I'm a goddamned soul-sucking criminal.
>
> Note: Multinomah county (where Portland actually is) is not
> the same, they actually have a .08 rule, so if you go downtown
> and have a couple beers, then drive into Washington county,
> you're only a criminal once you cross the county line.

Unusual. I've never heard of traffic laws being defined at any other level
that the state level.

[Matt Barrow[_4_]]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>> > Gak. You smoke very expensive...turds. Never could figure out how
>> > anyone could put something like that in their mouths, but I've got
>> > friends who swear by them...
>>
>> Turd, my ass (oopps, that didn't come out right...I mean...oh, never
>> mind)
>>
>> More like a very fine wine or superior brandy.
>
> Sometimes a cigar is just...a cigar...?
>
> ;-)

"A woman is a woman, but a good cigar is a smoke!" - Kipling, 'The
Betrothed'.

:~)````

[Jim Logajan]

"Matt Barrow" > wrote:
> "Erik" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> Hahaha. Yeah, never been in trouble in my life, but now
>> I'm a goddamned soul-sucking criminal.
>>
>> Note: Multinomah county (where Portland actually is) is not
>> the same, they actually have a .08 rule, so if you go downtown
>> and have a couple beers, then drive into Washington county,
>> you're only a criminal once you cross the county line.
>
> Unusual. I've never heard of traffic laws being defined at any other
> level that the state level.

It appears some states allow counties to do that sort of thing, and
according to this source one Montana county used that authority to adopt
open container laws:

http://alcoholism.about.com/b/a/013416.htm

But I can't find anything to support the claim that Washington county in
Oregon has the alleged law. Not that it doesn't exist, but I'm finding it
difficult to verify with online searches.

[Montblack]

("Matt Barrow" wrote)
> Why is it bogus? The EPA claimed that 3,000 Americans die annually from
> secondhand smoke, but there was a problem. They couldn't come up with that
> conclusion using the standard statistical 95 percent confidence interval.
> They lowered their study's confidence interval to 90 percent. That has the
> effect of doubling the margin of error and doubling the probability that
> mere chance explains those 3,000 deaths.


Let's not quibble, you went from 5% to 10%. Ok, I'll call that doubling the
margin of error.

They're at 90 (friggin') % for crying out loud - down only (10%) from 95%
.....confidence.

Also...
"That has the effect of doubling the margin of error and doubling the
probability that mere chance explains those 3,000 deaths."

Word games! Double-Plus Ungood. Yuck!

Again, ...they're at 90 (friggin') % for crying out loud.

Let's see if I can do those numbers in my head, hmm...that's 9 out of 10
case.

Sure, "mere chance" plays a role in some of the deaths, but a 9 out of 10
CONFIDENCE LEVEL IN THE REST. HELLO?

BTW, 90% is the statistical minimum. So we might be hanging around the 93.8%
mark. I'm just saying...

I might agree with your bigger point, but this argument, on its own, is
disingenuous - a sales job.


Montblack

[Montblack]

("Newps" wrote)
> Fly into an area with that many blithering idiots? I think not. Maybe
> someday. More important things to do around here at that time.


Fly into ANE, then hitch a ride in the airplane of minivans.

That way you only have to deal with one blithering idiot - for 6 hours!!!


Montblack
I stop a lot. :-)

[Jay Honeck]

> I like you hahahaha Need to get there and have a few brews with ya!!!

Just for the helluva it, I did a Yahoo search on "Aviation Beer".

Got this one:

http://www.warbirdbrewing.com/the_warbird_story/story_index.htm

(P-51 beer? Cool!)

and this one:

http://www.beer-toone.com/about.htm (Okay, it's not beer -- he's a
lawyer, named "Beer"! My kind of attorney...)

and this one:

http://www.wallywine.com/p-28175-aviation-gin-750ml.aspx (It's
actually gin, but, hey, it's about "flying"...sorta...)

and this one:

http://www.langcreekbrewery.com/ (A back-country pilot's dream
brewery, located in Montana.)

The connection between pilots and microbrews is amazing.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Avaition Destination"

[Matt Barrow[_4_]]

"Montblack" > wrote in message
...
> ("Matt Barrow" wrote)
>> Why is it bogus? The EPA claimed that 3,000 Americans die annually from
>> secondhand smoke, but there was a problem. They couldn't come up with
>> that
>> conclusion using the standard statistical 95 percent confidence interval.
>> They lowered their study's confidence interval to 90 percent. That has
>> the
>> effect of doubling the margin of error and doubling the probability that
>> mere chance explains those 3,000 deaths.
>
>
> Let's not quibble, you went from 5% to 10%. Ok, I'll call that doubling
> the
> margin of error.
>
> They're at 90 (friggin') % for crying out loud - down only (10%) from 95%
> ....confidence.
>
> Also...
> "That has the effect of doubling the margin of error and doubling the
> probability that mere chance explains those 3,000 deaths."
>
> Word games! Double-Plus Ungood. Yuck!
>
> Again, ...they're at 90 (friggin') % for crying out loud.
>
> Let's see if I can do those numbers in my head, hmm...that's 9 out of 10
> case.
>
> Sure, "mere chance" plays a role in some of the deaths, but a 9 out of 10
> CONFIDENCE LEVEL IN THE REST. HELLO?
>
> BTW, 90% is the statistical minimum. So we might be hanging around the
> 93.8%
> mark. I'm just saying...
>
> I might agree with your bigger point, but this argument, on its own, is
> disingenuous - a sales job.


Learn how statistics are used in research.

[Matt Barrow[_4_]]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>> I like you hahahaha Need to get there and have a few brews with ya!!!
>
> Just for the helluva it, I did a Yahoo search on "Aviation Beer".
>
> Got this one:
>
> http://www.warbirdbrewing.com/the_warbird_story/story_index.htm
>
> (P-51 beer? Cool!)
>
> and this one:
>
> http://www.beer-toone.com/about.htm (Okay, it's not beer -- he's a
> lawyer, named "Beer"! My kind of attorney...)
>
> and this one:
>
> http://www.wallywine.com/p-28175-aviation-gin-750ml.aspx (It's
> actually gin, but, hey, it's about "flying"...sorta...)
>
> and this one:
>
> http://www.langcreekbrewery.com/ (A back-country pilot's dream
> brewery, located in Montana.)
>
> The connection between pilots and microbrews is amazing.

They told me I was gullible...and I believed them! :~)

[Thomas Borchert]

> Not beer, but how about some wine?
>

Many French fields offer a local wine branded to the airfield. Le
Touquet is one.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Marty[_2_]]

"Erik" > wrote in message
...
> Judah wrote:
>
>> Jose > wrote in news:GoO7i.24890$JZ3.3963
>> @newssvr13.news.prodigy.net:
>>
>>
>>>>They've driven the smokers out into the cold,
>>>
>> In Seattle, for example, you are not allowed to smoke within 25' of a
>> building. I think that's ridiculous.
>
> 25' of a door or a window that opens. Stupid.
>

I'm a smoker and I have no problem with that. Nobody likes to be hit in the
chops with a cloud of smoke coming out of a building.
For a year I had quit smoking and I learned a lot of respect for the comfort
of the non-smokers around me. After hosting a card game the stench would
linger in my house for days. So even if I am given permission to have a
smoke in a non-smokers home I will step outside if I need it that bad.
I do strongly belive that all airports should have an indoor smoking lounge
within the security area. During delayed/cancelled flight periods, stuck
passengers would easier to deal with not to mention relive the added burden
of multiple trips thru screening making those lines that much longer.

[Erik]

Jim Logajan wrote:

> "Matt Barrow" > wrote:
>
>>"Erik" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>>Hahaha. Yeah, never been in trouble in my life, but now
>>>I'm a goddamned soul-sucking criminal.
>>>
>>>Note: Multinomah county (where Portland actually is) is not
>>>the same, they actually have a .08 rule, so if you go downtown
>>>and have a couple beers, then drive into Washington county,
>>>you're only a criminal once you cross the county line.
>>
>>Unusual. I've never heard of traffic laws being defined at any other
>>level that the state level.
>
>
> It appears some states allow counties to do that sort of thing, and
> according to this source one Montana county used that authority to adopt
> open container laws:
>
> http://alcoholism.about.com/b/a/013416.htm
>
> But I can't find anything to support the claim that Washington county in
> Oregon has the alleged law. Not that it doesn't exist, but I'm finding it
> difficult to verify with online searches.

I found out the hard way. I cannot for the life of me find
documentation of it, either. It's not a very publicly touted
law. There's no commercials about it on TV and if you look in
the Washington county website (google for Washington county
oregon law and skip past the lawyers) it's impossible to find.

My lawyer seemed to agree with the county, though, and I paid
his ass, no state-appointed crap for me, dammit.

[Newps]

Montblack wrote:
> ("Newps" wrote)
>
>>Fly into an area with that many blithering idiots? I think not. Maybe
>>someday. More important things to do around here at that time.
>
>
>
> Fly into ANE, then hitch a ride in the airplane of minivans.
>
> That way you only have to deal with one blithering idiot - for 6 hours!!!

Who I had to supply with beer? I look at Oshkosh and yawn. I'd rather
be flying in the mountains. Hell, I just bought a boat. I'd rather
take that out. I grew up in the Twin Cities. No way I want to walk
around OSH all day and then sleep in a tent. Now if somebody had an RV,
maybe. Plans are firming up for ANE, looks like we'll be there about
July 8th for a week. I'll let you know for sure later.

[Montblack]

("Newps" wrote)
> Plans are firming up for ANE, looks like we'll be there about July 8th for
> a week.


http://www.eaachapter237.org/
Did somebody say July 8th? <g>

http://www.b17.org/tour/
Aluminum Overcast Tour dates: (ANE) July 6-8

I bought a pack of 10 Raffle Tickets. I'd fill your name in on one of them
if I knew you were going to be in town to enjoy your winnings.

Chapter volunteers (4? 5? 6?) get their names drawn for a ride to the next
stop - St Cloud, MN (which is 43 nm from our airport).

The Denver to Waukesha flight would be a fun ride.
Waukesha is in (SE) Wis., between Madison and Milwaukee.

Last time, the B-17 flew to Duluth from ANE. That's 110 nm. That gang of
lucky volunteers rented a van in Duluth and drove home.


Montblack
What the heck. If you're here, you're here ....you're #395. Good luck!
"My" contact info is on all of my people's tickets.

[Erik]

Bitching about my smoking is hazardous to your health

[Jay Honeck]

> Who I had to supply with beer? I look at Oshkosh and yawn. I'd rather
> be flying in the mountains. Hell, I just bought a boat. I'd rather
> take that out.

A BOAT? God almighty, you sound like you're about dead.

Prolly play golf, too...

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Newps]

The B17 was here last year on its tour. My youngest worked at the booth
selling their stuff so got to ride it from here to Denver. I flew down
and picked him up. He said it was cool but after a half hour it was
time to get out.



Montblack wrote:
> ("Newps" wrote)
>
>>Plans are firming up for ANE, looks like we'll be there about July 8th for
>>a week.
>
>
>
> http://www.eaachapter237.org/
> Did somebody say July 8th? <g>
>
> http://www.b17.org/tour/
> Aluminum Overcast Tour dates: (ANE) July 6-8
>
> I bought a pack of 10 Raffle Tickets. I'd fill your name in on one of them
> if I knew you were going to be in town to enjoy your winnings.
>
> Chapter volunteers (4? 5? 6?) get their names drawn for a ride to the next
> stop - St Cloud, MN (which is 43 nm from our airport).
>
> The Denver to Waukesha flight would be a fun ride.
> Waukesha is in (SE) Wis., between Madison and Milwaukee.
>
> Last time, the B-17 flew to Duluth from ANE. That's 110 nm. That gang of
> lucky volunteers rented a van in Duluth and drove home.
>
>
> Montblack
> What the heck. If you're here, you're here ....you're #395. Good luck!
> "My" contact info is on all of my people's tickets.
>
>

[Newps]

Jay Honeck wrote:

>>Who I had to supply with beer? I look at Oshkosh and yawn. I'd rather
>>be flying in the mountains. Hell, I just bought a boat. I'd rather
>>take that out.
>
>
> A BOAT? God almighty, you sound like you're about dead.
>
> Prolly play golf, too...



Yep I do but not nearly as much as before. I got my handicap down to 5
in the mid 90's but then realized what's the point of this? So I golf
occasionally now. This weekend we're taking the 5th wheel and the boat
to Helena. There's a time and place for everything.

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Montblack" > wrote

> Chapter volunteers (4? 5? 6?) get their names drawn for a ride to the next
> stop - St Cloud, MN (which is 43 nm from our airport).
>
> Last time, the B-17 flew to Duluth from ANE. That's 110 nm. That gang of
> lucky volunteers rented a van in Duluth and drove home.

After spending two sweating days guarding and selling ride tickets, I was
one of the winners to take the ride to the next stop. What a thrill!
--
Jim in NC

[Matt Whiting]

Erik wrote:
> Bitching about my smoking is hazardous to your health
>

How so?

[[email protected]]

On Jun 1, 1:36 pm, Jay Honeck > wrote:
> > >How long after you quit does it take for your insides to look better?
>
> > Varies according to how much smoke done-gone-in and for how long.
> > One thing is for certain, things start improving immediately. Just some
> > things may not get completely repaired.
>
> Well, I quit smoking 21 years ago. Best think I ever did, and I hope
> my lungs are nice and pink again.
>
> But all these stupid laws making it a crime for people to smoke --
> OUTSIDE, now, for chrissakes -- is just sickening.
>
> I was visiting a friend at the hospital last week, and noticed that
> they have now banned smoking OUTSIDE the hospital. All these poor
> people, some in wheel chairs, must now push themselves OFF HOSPITAL
> PROPERTY to have a smoke!
>
> Un-friggin'-believeable. How did this kind of society develop when we
> weren't looking? Big Brother really is now EVERYWHERE.
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

I have been a RN for 16 yrs and I do smoke. Few times in 12 to14 hr
shift I go outside and have one. I am a hard worker, loyal, and have
seldom called in. I have a problem when I have to pay, with my tax
dollars, for pt's healthcare that have completely milked the
healthcare system,,,,,,,inc me as a RN!!! The people that are on
welfare / passport are the pt's that run me ragged....."They think
they have some entitlelment!!!"....,to order me around!!! I am tax
paying US citizen....NOW!!! I have the illegals also mutching off of
me, and they too, run me around as if I am a waitress, Even if I
explain I had someone very sick and I had to help them first, they get
attitude about how their soda took too long to get to them. I have
pt's that are on dialaysis that leave the the hospital, get high, and
return.....and DEMAND!!! their pain meds.......Dr's and all know
it..........IT IS SICKENING....Now they tell me I can't go outside,
without walking the distance of a football field, to have a
cigarette!!!!!!! MY GOD!!!! It is not illegal!!! I am a adult, and I
do know it is not at all healthly.....I would even pay 10 times the
healthcare premiums that non smokers pay......I realise it causes
copd........BUT I am getting to the point I am getting VERY
bitter........Probably nicotine w/d:-) Help!!! This nurse about ready
to give up the heatlhcare system all together!!! Are there any other
nurses out that agree?

[[email protected]]

On Jun 1, 1:36 pm, Jay Honeck > wrote:
> > >How long after you quit does it take for your insides to look better?
>
> > Varies according to how much smoke done-gone-in and for how long.
> > One thing is for certain, things start improving immediately. Just some
> > things may not get completely repaired.
>
> Well, I quit smoking 21 years ago. Best think I ever did, and I hope
> my lungs are nice and pink again.
>
> But all these stupid laws making it a crime for people to smoke --
> OUTSIDE, now, for chrissakes -- is just sickening.
>
> I was visiting a friend at the hospital last week, and noticed that
> they have now banned smoking OUTSIDE the hospital. All these poor
> people, some in wheel chairs, must now push themselves OFF HOSPITAL
> PROPERTY to have a smoke!
>
> Un-friggin'-believeable. How did this kind of society develop when we
> weren't looking? Big Brother really is now EVERYWHERE.
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

I have been a RN for 16 yrs and I do smoke. Few times in 12 to14 hr
shift I go outside and have one. I am a hard worker, loyal, and have
seldom called in. I have a problem when I have to pay, with my tax
dollars, for pt's healthcare that have completely milked the
healthcare system,,,,,,,inc me as a RN!!! The people that are on
welfare / passport are the pt's that run me ragged....."They think
they have some entitlelment!!!"....,to order me around!!! I am tax
paying US citizen....NOW!!! I have the illegals also mutching off of
me, and they too, run me around as if I am a waitress, Even if I
explain I had someone very sick and I had to help them first, they
get
attitude about how their soda took too long to get to them. I have
pt's that are on dialaysis that leave the the hospital, get high, and
return.....and DEMAND!!! their pain meds.......Dr's and all know
it..........IT IS SICKENING....Now they tell me I can't go outside,
without walking the distance of a football field, to have a
cigarette!!!!!!! MY GOD!!!! It is not illegal!!! I am a adult, and I
do know it is not at all healthly.....I would even pay 10 times the
healthcare premiums that non smokers pay......I realise it causes
copd........BUT I am getting to the point I am getting VERY
bitter........Probably nicotine w/d:-) Help!!! This nurse about ready
to give up the heatlhcare system all together!!! Are there any other
nurses out that agree?

[Montblack]

("Newps" wrote)
> He said it was cool but after a half hour it was time to get out.


That's about the time they entered the German side of the Channel. <g>

Hey, you're in luck. Rides go about 30 minutes, according to the website.

http://www.b17.org/faq/
Q: How long does the flight experience last?
A: Each flight experience lasts approximately 35 minutes, of those 20 - 22
minutes will be in the air.

I've just now got the inside dope - the skinny:

Aluminum Overcast will fly from Denver, back to OSH, for a 10 day rest.
She'll then do the Wis,
Minn, Iowa legs, right before AirVenture.

Our EAA Chapter has been "invited" to OSH for help with maintenance & upkeep
of the B-17. We're lining up volunteers for the work party.

June 18: She departs Denver, for OSH
June 29: She makes a short hop to Waukesha, Wis., from OSH

July 6-8: She'll be at ANE
(North End of the field @ AWAM - by the Tower)

http://www.americanwings.org/
(AWAM) American Wings Air Museum @ ANE


Montblack

[Jay Honeck]

> > Prolly play golf, too...
>
> Yep I do but not nearly as much as before. I got my handicap down to 5
> in the mid 90's but then realized what's the point of this? So I golf
> occasionally now. This weekend we're taking the 5th wheel and the boat
> to Helena. There's a time and place for everything.

I know, I'm just giving you sh*t.

I used to golf three times a week. Then I learned how to fly, and
golf became...just golf.

Haven't touched a club since my first flight lesson.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Newps]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>>>Prolly play golf, too...
>>
>>Yep I do but not nearly as much as before. I got my handicap down to 5
>>in the mid 90's but then realized what's the point of this? So I golf
>>occasionally now. This weekend we're taking the 5th wheel and the boat
>>to Helena. There's a time and place for everything.
>
>
> I know, I'm just giving you sh*t.
>
> I used to golf three times a week. Then I learned how to fly, and
> golf became...just golf.
>
> Haven't touched a club since my first flight lesson.

Flying is cool but so are other things. I would love to take a sailboat
into the South Pacific for a year or two and see a lot of the WWII islands.

[Matt Barrow[_4_]]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>> > Prolly play golf, too...
>>
>> Yep I do but not nearly as much as before. I got my handicap down to 5
>> in the mid 90's but then realized what's the point of this? So I golf
>> occasionally now. This weekend we're taking the 5th wheel and the boat
>> to Helena. There's a time and place for everything.
>
> I know, I'm just giving you sh*t.
>
> I used to golf three times a week. Then I learned how to fly, and
> golf became...just golf.
>
> Haven't touched a club since my first flight lesson.

I can fit three frull bags in the luggage compartment.

Flew/golfed from Colonial in Texas, to Banff in Alberta.

And,remember, "Only God can hit a one-iron" -- Lee Trevino, but, boy-oh-boy,
can I hit a two-iron!

[Matt Barrow[_4_]]

"Newps" > wrote in message
. ..
>
>>
>> I used to golf three times a week. Then I learned how to fly, and
>> golf became...just golf.
>>
>> Haven't touched a club since my first flight lesson.
>
> Flying is cool but so are other things. I would love to take a sailboat
> into the South Pacific for a year or two and see a lot of the WWII
> islands.

I get sea-sick watching old "McHale's Navy" reruns.