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Larry Dighera
June 5th 07, 09:41 PM
FAA SPECIAL USE AIRSPACE

The FAA provides Depicted Special Use Airspace (SUA) and Air
Traffic Control Assigned Airspace (ATCAA) data that may not be
complete. Pilots should use this information for planning purposes
only. For the latest SUA information, call your local Flight Service
Station at 1-800-WX-BRIEF. Information concerning ATCAA airspace can
be obtained from the associated Air Route Traffic Control Center. Go
to their website here: Actual Military Airspace Status.
http://www.sua.faa.gov/

Cubdriver
June 6th 07, 04:11 PM
Is there a difference between SUA and MOA?



On Tue, 05 Jun 2007 20:41:50 GMT, Larry Dighera >
wrote:

>
> FAA SPECIAL USE AIRSPACE
>
> The FAA provides Depicted Special Use Airspace (SUA) and Air
>Traffic Control Assigned Airspace (ATCAA) data that may not be
>complete. Pilots should use this information for planning purposes
>only. For the latest SUA information, call your local Flight Service
>Station at 1-800-WX-BRIEF. Information concerning ATCAA airspace can
>be obtained from the associated Air Route Traffic Control Center. Go
>to their website here: Actual Military Airspace Status.
>http://www.sua.faa.gov/

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Jose
June 6th 07, 04:39 PM
> Is there a difference between SUA and MOA?

MOA is a subest of SUA. A Military Operations Area is just one kind of
Special Use Airspace. Restricted and Alert areas are other examples;
neither are MOAs (even though the military might operate there). Class
Bravo and Charlie are also examples of SUAs (as are class Deltas, for
that matter). It's just a more common special use.

Jose
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Larry Dighera
June 6th 07, 05:18 PM
On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 11:11:45 -0400, Cubdriver <usenet AT danford DOT
net> wrote in >:

>Is there a difference between SUA and MOA?

Although I wasn't able to find 'Special Use Airspace' defined in FAR
Part I, here's the entry for 'Military Operations Area':


http://www1.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgFAR.nsf/0/962968F7D28541C7862572C6005A0BA4?OpenDocument
Military operations area. A military operations area (MOA) is
airspace established outside Class A airspace to separate or
segregate certain nonhazardous military activities from IFR
Traffic and to identify for VFR traffic where these activities are
conducted.


It seems there are six categories of Special Use Airspace:


http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraffic/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/PCG/S.HTM
Pilot/Controller Glossary, an addendum to:
Aeronautical Information Manual
Order 7110.10, Flight Services
Order 7110.65, Air Traffic Control

SPECIAL USE AIRSPACE- Airspace of defined dimensions identified by
an area on the surface of the earth wherein activities must be
confined because of their nature and/or wherein limitations may be
imposed upon aircraft operations that are not a part of those
activities. Types of special use airspace are:

a. Alert Area- Airspace which may contain a high volume of pilot
training activities or an unusual type of aerial activity, neither
of which is hazardous to aircraft. Alert Areas are depicted on
aeronautical charts for the information of nonparticipating
pilots. All activities within an Alert Area are conducted in
accordance with Federal Aviation Regulations, and pilots of
participating aircraft as well as pilots transiting the area are
equally responsible for collision avoidance.

b. Controlled Firing Area- Airspace wherein activities are
conducted under conditions so controlled as to eliminate hazards
to nonparticipating aircraft and to ensure the safety of persons
and property on the ground.

c. Military Operations Area (MOA)- A MOA is airspace established
outside of Class A airspace area to separate or segregate certain
nonhazardous military activities from IFR traffic and to identify
for VFR traffic where these activities are conducted.

(Refer to AIM.)

d. Prohibited Area- Airspace designated under 14 CFR Part 73
within which no person may operate an aircraft without the
permission of the using agency.

(Refer to AIM.)

(Refer to En Route Charts.)

e. Restricted Area- Airspace designated under 14 CFR Part 73,
within which the flight of aircraft, while not wholly prohibited,
is subject to restriction. Most restricted areas are designated
joint use and IFR/VFR operations in the area may be authorized by
the controlling ATC facility when it is not being utilized by the
using agency. Restricted areas are depicted on en route charts.
Where joint use is authorized, the name of the ATC controlling
facility is also shown.

(Refer to 14 CFR Part 73.)

(Refer to AIM.)

f. Warning Area- A warning area is airspace of defined dimensions
extending from 3 nautical miles outward from the coast of the
United States, that contains activity that may be hazardous to
nonparticipating aircraft. The purpose of such warning area is to
warn nonparticipating pilots of the potential danger. A warning
area may be located over domestic or international waters or both.

Under which type of airspace do Military Training Routs fall, Alert
Area?

Larry Dighera
June 6th 07, 05:20 PM
On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 15:39:42 GMT, Jose >
wrote in >:

>Class Bravo and Charlie are also examples of SUAs (as are class Deltas, for
>that matter).

Are you able to provide an authoritative citation for that assertion?

Mxsmanic
June 6th 07, 07:23 PM
Jose writes:

> Class Bravo and Charlie are also examples of SUAs ...

Class B and Class C are not special-use airspaces:

SPECIAL USE AIRSPACE- Airspace of defined
dimensions identified by an area on the surface of the
earth wherein activities must be confined because of
their nature and/or wherein limitations may be
imposed upon aircraft operations that are not a part of
those activities. Types of special use airspace are:

a. Alert Area- Airspace which may contain a high
volume of pilot training activities or an unusual type
of aerial activity, neither of which is hazardous to
aircraft. Alert Areas are depicted on aeronautical
charts for the information of nonparticipating pilots.
All activities within an Alert Area are conducted in
accordance with Federal Aviation Regulations, and
pilots of participating aircraft as well as pilots
transiting the area are equally responsible for collision
avoidance.

b. Controlled Firing Area- Airspace wherein
activities are conducted under conditions so controlled
as to eliminate hazards to nonparticipating
aircraft and to ensure the safety of persons and
property on the ground.

c. Military Operations Area (MOA)- A MOA is
airspace established outside of Class A airspace area
to separate or segregate certain nonhazardous military
activities from IFR traffic and to identify for
VFR traffic where these activities are conducted.

d. Prohibited Area- Airspace designated under
14 CFR Part 73 within which no person may operate
an aircraft without the permission of the using
agency.

e. Restricted Area- Airspace designated under
14 CFR Part 73, within which the flight of aircraft,
while not wholly prohibited, is subject to restriction.
Most restricted areas are designated joint use and
IFR/VFR operations in the area may be authorized by
the controlling ATC facility when it is not being
utilized by the using agency. Restricted areas are
depicted on en route charts. Where joint use is
authorized, the name of the ATC controlling facility
is also shown.

f. Warning Area- A warning area is airspace of
defined dimensions extending from 3 nautical miles
outward from the coast of the United States, that
contains activity that may be hazardous to nonparticipating
aircraft. The purpose of such warning area is
to warn nonparticipating pilots of the potential
danger. A warning area may be located over domestic
or international waters or both.

Mxsmanic
June 6th 07, 07:24 PM
Cubdriver <usenet AT danford DOT net> writes:

> Is there a difference between SUA and MOA?

A MOA is one type of SUA.

Jose
June 6th 07, 08:28 PM
> Are you able to provide an authoritative citation for that assertion? [that Class Bravo and Charlie are also examples of SUAs (as are class Deltas, for that matter).]

Three authorities:
1: Larry Dighera, who stated that he couldn't find "Special Use
Airspace" defined in FAR Part 1. I therefore take it to mean what the
standard English words mean: Airspace designated for a special use.

2: Jose, who asserts that the existance of requirements for entering
such airspace reserves it for a special use (use consistant with the
entry requirements).

3: Apollo, the makers of the LORANs in our airplanes, which warns of
"SUA Ahead" when approaching class Bravo and Charlie airspace.

Jose
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Bertie the Bunyip[_2_]
June 6th 07, 11:53 PM
Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Cubdriver <usenet AT danford DOT net> writes:
>
>> Is there a difference between SUA and MOA?
>
> A MOA is one type of SUA.
>



No it isn't fjukkwit.

Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip[_2_]
June 6th 07, 11:53 PM
Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Jose writes:

F\Doesn't matter, you don't fly, fjukktard



Bertie

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