KEAT name history?

[Ken Finney]

Pangborn airport in Wenatchee, Washington is named after Clyde Pangborn, but
bears the identifier (EAT). Anyone know why that identifier, or was it just
random? Pangborn landed on his famous trip at another airport (Fancher
Field) so that can't have anything to do with it (i.e. Fancher owning a
restuarant, etc.).

[tjd]

On Jun 5, 6:55 pm, "Ken Finney" > wrote:
> Pangborn airport in Wenatchee, Washington is named after Clyde Pangborn, but
> bears the identifier (EAT). Anyone know why that identifier, or was it just
> random?

The only thing I notice is wEnATchee - sometimes they do things like
that, i.e. EWK for nEWarK, etc. also 'W' is not allowed as a first
letter (nor K or N).

[Jim Carter[_1_]]

"Ken Finney" > wrote in message
...
> Pangborn airport in Wenatchee, Washington is named after Clyde Pangborn,
> but bears the identifier (EAT). Anyone know why that identifier, or was
> it just random? Pangborn landed on his famous trip at another airport
> (Fancher Field) so that can't have anything to do with it (i.e. Fancher
> owning a restuarant, etc.).
>
>
>

Years ago ('70s) we could fly over from BFI in Seattle, land and park on
the usually very vacant ramp, and then spend the day hunting the grassland
between the runways at Wenatchee. Kept the big bird population down, got us
out of the city, and was a lot of fun.

Homeland Defense would probably have a cow today if a plane load of guys
hopped out with shotguns and started walking the airport grounds....

--
Jim Carter
Rogers, Arkansas

[Frank Barchi]

"tjd" > wrote in message
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> On Jun 5, 6:55 pm, "Ken Finney" > wrote:
>> Pangborn airport in Wenatchee, Washington is named after Clyde Pangborn,
>> but
>> bears the identifier (EAT). Anyone know why that identifier, or was it
>> just
>> random?
>
> The only thing I notice is wEnATchee - sometimes they do things like
> that, i.e. EWK for nEWarK, etc. also 'W' is not allowed as a first
> letter (nor K or N).

FYI Newark is EWR

Frank

[tjd]

On Jun 6, 11:05 am, "Frank Barchi" > wrote:
> FYI Newark is EWR

sorry, mild brain fart but the same logic applies...

[RST Engineering]

Care to explain the logic of KGOO???

Jim

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Those who count in binary and those who don't

"Frank Barchi" > wrote in message
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>> On Jun 5, 6:55 pm, "Ken Finney" > wrote:
>>> Pangborn airport in Wenatchee, Washington is named after Clyde Pangborn,
>>> but
>>> bears the identifier (EAT). Anyone know why that identifier, or was it
>>> just
>>> random?
>>
>> The only thing I notice is wEnATchee - sometimes they do things like
>> that, i.e. EWK for nEWarK, etc. also 'W' is not allowed as a first
>> letter (nor K or N).

[Andrew Sarangan]

On Jun 6, 12:01 pm, "RST Engineering" > wrote:
> Care to explain the logic of KGOO???
>
> Jim
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> --
> There are only 10 kinds of people in the world.
> Those who count in binary and those who don't
>
> "Frank Barchi" > wrote in message
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> > "tjd" > wrote in message
> ps.com...
> >> On Jun 5, 6:55 pm, "Ken Finney" > wrote:
> >>> Pangborn airport in Wenatchee, Washington is named after Clyde Pangborn,
> >>> but
> >>> bears the identifier (EAT). Anyone know why that identifier, or was it
> >>> just
> >>> random?
>
> >> The only thing I notice is wEnATchee - sometimes they do things like
> >> that, i.e. EWK for nEWarK, etc. also 'W' is not allowed as a first
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I always wondered how they came up with Canadian airport identifiers.
None of them seem to have any connection with the airport names.

[Montblack]

GOO ....funny name.


Montblack
"Just because it's June, June, June!"


("RST Engineering" wrote)
> Care to explain the logic of KGOO???

[tjd]

On Jun 6, 12:01 pm, "RST Engineering" > wrote:
> Care to explain the logic of KGOO???

I see it was recently changed from O17 to GOO - I have absolutely no
idea where they're coming up with the identifiers for these changes.
There's an airport near me, Zelienople Municipal Airport, that changed
from 8G7 to PJC and I can't figure out any connection. If anyone has
any insight I'd love to hear it...

todd.

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, tjd > said:
>There's an airport near me, Zelienople Municipal Airport, that changed
>from 8G7 to PJC and I can't figure out any connection. If anyone has
>any insight I'd love to hear it...

Since they changed from a non-ICAO id (i.e. one containing digits) to an
ICAO-eligible one, I assume they recently got an ASOS or AWOS. As for why
they picked that particular id, PJC, maybe it's just the best of the
remaining ids?


--
Paul Tomblin > http://blog.xcski.com/
The only sensible way to estimate the stability of a Windows server
is to power it down and try it out as a step ladder.
-- Robert Crawford

[tjd]

On Jun 6, 3:45 pm, (Paul Tomblin) wrote:
> Since they changed from a non-ICAO id (i.e. one containing digits) to an
> ICAO-eligible one, I assume they recently got an ASOS or AWOS. As for why
> they picked that particular id, PJC, maybe it's just the best of the
> remaining ids?

As far as i can tell KZEL is available, or KZMA, or ... but who
knows. PJC just seems completely random - I can't figure out a person
or place to connect it to.

[Ross]

tjd wrote:
> On Jun 6, 12:01 pm, "RST Engineering" > wrote:
>
>>Care to explain the logic of KGOO???
>
>
> I see it was recently changed from O17 to GOO - I have absolutely no
> idea where they're coming up with the identifiers for these changes.
> There's an airport near me, Zelienople Municipal Airport, that changed
> from 8G7 to PJC and I can't figure out any connection. If anyone has
> any insight I'd love to hear it...
>
> todd.
>


The just got weather reporting and have to have all letters. A local
airport went from F39 to KGYI when it got AWOS

--

Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI

[Bob Crawford]

On Jun 6, 4:34 pm, tjd > wrote:
> On Jun 6, 3:45 pm, (Paul Tomblin) wrote:
>
> > Since they changed from a non-ICAO id (i.e. one containing digits) to an
> > ICAO-eligible one, I assume they recently got an ASOS or AWOS. As for why
> > they picked that particular id, PJC, maybe it's just the best of the
> > remaining ids?
>
> As far as i can tell KZEL is available, or KZMA, or ... but who
> knows. PJC just seems completely random - I can't figure out a person
> or place to connect it to.

According to http://www.skygod.com/asstd/abc.html "Z" codes have been
reserved for "special uses".
Along with the dirth of ids there are also apparently restrictions
such as "the first and second letters or second and third letters of
an identifier may not be duplicated with less than 200 nautical miles
separation." Ids like PJC maybe what you end up with in that
situation.

[Ken Finney]

"Bob Crawford" > wrote in message
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> On Jun 6, 4:34 pm, tjd > wrote:
>> On Jun 6, 3:45 pm, (Paul Tomblin) wrote:
>>
>> > Since they changed from a non-ICAO id (i.e. one containing digits) to
>> > an
>> > ICAO-eligible one, I assume they recently got an ASOS or AWOS. As for
>> > why
>> > they picked that particular id, PJC, maybe it's just the best of the
>> > remaining ids?
>>
>> As far as i can tell KZEL is available, or KZMA, or ... but who
>> knows. PJC just seems completely random - I can't figure out a person
>> or place to connect it to.
>
> According to http://www.skygod.com/asstd/abc.html "Z" codes have been
> reserved for "special uses".
> Along with the dirth of ids there are also apparently restrictions
> such as "the first and second letters or second and third letters of
> an identifier may not be duplicated with less than 200 nautical miles
> separation." Ids like PJC maybe what you end up with in that
> situation.
>

Sean D. Tucker doesn't own the domain www.skygod.com???

;^)

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Bob Crawford" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> Along with the dirth of ids there are also apparently restrictions
> such as "the first and second letters or second and third letters of
> an identifier may not be duplicated with less than 200 nautical miles
> separation."
>

A restriction that is often overlooked. About sixty miles southeast of AUW
you'll find ATW, continue for another 40 miles or so and you'll find MTW.

[tjd]

On Jun 7, 12:28 pm, Bob Crawford > wrote:
> According to http://www.skygod.com/asstd/abc.html "Z" codes have been
> reserved for "special uses".

Ah, I've read that site before but apparently not well enough... I
actually thought about whether there were any restrictions on leading
Z before I posted, but convinced myself there were not thanks to
another nearby airport - Zanesville (KZZV). FWIW, someone pointed out
in a similar discussion elsewhere that there's also KNEW in New
Orleans, so all the rules are made to be broken I suppose :)

Your 200nm rule might explain why it wasn't KELI - too close to
KERI... so, yeah, maybe they just got sick of trying to make something
fit and picked some random letters out of the hat. Maybe someday I'll
get to the bottom of it...

todd

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, tjd > said:
>Your 200nm rule might explain why it wasn't KELI - too close to
>KERI... so, yeah, maybe they just got sick of trying to make something

Check out KELM and KELZ some time. According to CoPilot, they're 49.0 nm
apart.


--
Paul Tomblin > http://blog.xcski.com/
If you refer to a woman as any form of waterborne African mammal then a quick
death is absolutely the *best* thing that could happen to you next.
-- Adi

[sheamon]

> According tohttp://www.skygod.com/asstd/abc.html"Z" codes have been
> reserved for "special uses".

Many of the Z codes are used by centers. KZSE, KZOA, etc.

[John Clear]

In article >,
Paul Tomblin > wrote:
>In a previous article, tjd > said:
>>Your 200nm rule might explain why it wasn't KELI - too close to
>>KERI... so, yeah, maybe they just got sick of trying to make something
>
>Check out KELM and KELZ some time. According to CoPilot, they're 49.0 nm
>apart.

3O7 to 3O8 is a similar distance, and just an off by one error.

John
--
John Clear - http://www.clear-prop.org/

[Marty Shapiro]

(John Clear) wrote in
:

> In article >,
> Paul Tomblin > wrote:
>>In a previous article, tjd > said:
>>>Your 200nm rule might explain why it wasn't KELI - too close to
>>>KERI... so, yeah, maybe they just got sick of trying to make something
>>
>>Check out KELM and KELZ some time. According to CoPilot, they're 49.0 nm
>>apart.
>
> 3O7 to 3O8 is a similar distance, and just an off by one error.
>
> John

Hollister is no longer 3O7. It is now CVH and the distance to Harris
Ranch (3O8) according to AirNav is 68.5 NM.

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Silicon Rallye Inc.

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