Turbo 182T "renter's cruise"

[Dan Luke]

http://tinyurl.com/2kb22d

Click on the center picture and use the site's zoom feature.

[Gig 601XL Builder]

Dan Luke wrote:
> http://tinyurl.com/2kb22d
>
> Click on the center picture and use the site's zoom feature.

Good lord, that can't be good for the TBO.

[gwengler]

On Jun 7, 10:48 am, "Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net>
wrote:
> Dan Luke wrote:
> >http://tinyurl.com/2kb22d
>
> > Click on the center picture and use the site's zoom feature.
>
> Good lord, that can't be good for the TBO.

Well, he's going full blast at 16,500 ft. TAS is 182KTS, GS 169KTS.
The engine is a Lyc TIO540 which is downrated to 235hp. The engine
can be flown at full power (top of green arc) constantly. However, I
see that he is flying at 32.5 inHg which is way to high. Max. MAP
green arc is 27 inHg above 15,000 ft. So, that indeed is not a good
idea, at least not for a longer time.
My max. GS, cruise and level, in my T182T was 255KTS at FL190 going
east (from Meigs Field to Toronto) where I had a tailwind of 95KTS -
probably some low jetstream.

Gerd (ATP)
T182T C-FDOW

[Dan Luke]

"gwengler" wrote:

> My max. GS, cruise and level, in my T182T was 255KTS at FL190 going
> east (from Meigs Field to Toronto) where I had a tailwind of 95KTS -
> probably some low jetstream.

What are your typical climb and cruise settings?

--
Dan
? at BFM

[gwengler]

On Jun 7, 11:20 am, "Dan Luke" > wrote:
> "gwengler" wrote:
> > My max. GS, cruise and level, in my T182T was 255KTS at FL190 going
> > east (from Meigs Field to Toronto) where I had a tailwind of 95KTS -
> > probably some low jetstream.
>
> What are your typical climb and cruise settings?
>
> --
> Dan
> ? at BFM

I pretty much always climb on top of green arc which is 28 inHg (27
above 15,000 ft.) and 2400rpm. I almost always cruise at 26 or 26.5
inHg and 2300rpm which gives you roughly 75 - 80 % power, depending on
altitude and temperature. I fly ROP at 1650 deg TIT. Generally
speaking, my aim is a fuel flow of 14.5 - 15 gph.

Gerd

[Guy Elden Jr]

> I pretty much always climb on top of green arc which is 28 inHg (27
> above 15,000 ft.) and 2400rpm. I almost always cruise at 26 or 26.5
> inHg and 2300rpm which gives you roughly 75 - 80 % power, depending on
> altitude and temperature. I fly ROP at 1650 deg TIT. Generally
> speaking, my aim is a fuel flow of 14.5 - 15 gph.

I've always been curious about the performance of the newer 182s...
what sort of TAS do you see flying at those settings?

--
Guy

[Montblack]

("Dan Luke" wrote)
> Click on the center picture and use the site's zoom feature.


There was a BEAUTIFUL 206 for sale last year @ ANE.
(NEWPS parked his Bo in the same hangar)

It was his father's for years. When the older ($ucce$$ful) son got the plane
he redid EVERYTHING - from stem to stern, and flew it for a few more years.
Talk about a plane being babied.

Anyway, wasn't there a very good thread (maybe 7 years ago) about why NOT to
buy a small turbo'd single? IIRC, it discussed associated costs vs.
performance differences. The average flatlander flights took an even greater
beating by the numbers.

That said, contact Cary M, from these newsgroups (he's @ ANE) and ask him
about his (Diesel) D-42 Twin Star's numbers. It too is turbo'd. He's looking
for (1) partner up here in Minnesota.

Cary M:
Remove letters in ( )
mar(d)i (gr)as
c @
u(niversity) (of)mn . (Mr)ed u(2)

....or e-mail me for his phone #.


Montblack
BTW, that whole teenage mistress thing has a better shot for you, in a sleek
new twin.

Of course, that whole teenage mistress thing has a better shot with Orlando
Bloom, in an Ercoupe.

Yikes. Now I'm getting "urges!" :-)

[Dan Luke]

"Montblack" wrote:

>
> Yikes. Now I'm getting "urges!" :-)

The question for pilots "of a certain age" is, "Can I keep a teenage mistress
*and* my medical?"

[Dan Luke]

"Jim Stewart" wrote:

> I'd be happy if I could order a kid's meal and a beer at
> the same time :-)

Haw!

Good one.

[Montblack]

("Dan Luke" wrote)
> The question for pilots "of a certain age" is, "Can I keep a teenage
> mistress *and* my medical?"


On Wednesday / Costume Night .....(a.k.a. #$%! Day)
If she wore a stewardess uniform, you could play 'Passenger in 5A would like
a pillow.'


http://www.uniformfreak.com/index2a.html
Stewardess uniforms. Hey, it's the Robert Palmer girls

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0U5JfGYx4c&mode=related&search=>
Speaking of....


Montblack
Like the fellow said to Nelson Rockefeller, "Sure, go for it."

[The Visitor]

Amazing, it is a 'for sale' ad.



Gig 601XL Builder wrote:

> Dan Luke wrote:
>
>>http://tinyurl.com/2kb22d
>>
>>Click on the center picture and use the site's zoom feature.
>
>
> Good lord, that can't be good for the TBO.
>
>

[gwengler]

On Jun 7, 12:43 pm, Guy Elden Jr > wrote:
> > I pretty much always climb on top of green arc which is 28 inHg (27
> > above 15,000 ft.) and 2400rpm. I almost always cruise at 26 or 26.5
> > inHg and 2300rpm which gives you roughly 75 - 80 % power, depending on
> > altitude and temperature. I fly ROP at 1650 deg TIT. Generally
> > speaking, my aim is a fuel flow of 14.5 - 15 gph.
>
> I've always been curious about the performance of the newer 182s...
> what sort of TAS do you see flying at those settings?
>
> --
> Guy

Often I fly at 12,000 or 13,000 ft. I usually get 150KTS TAS.
Especially in the winter going eastbound I fly high (FL190) to catch
the tailwinds. There I get 160 KTS TAS. Normally, I will achieve at
least 200 KTS GS, often 220 KTS or so.

Gerd

[Mortimer Schnerd, RN[_2_]]

Montblack wrote:
> Anyway, wasn't there a very good thread (maybe 7 years ago) about why NOT to
> buy a small turbo'd single? IIRC, it discussed associated costs vs.
> performance differences. The average flatlander flights took an even greater
> beating by the numbers.


Many years ago I made part of a flight of three from Marsh Harbour, Abaco,
Bahamas, to Ft. Pierce, FL. A normally aspirated C-210, a turbocharged T-210
and a Turbo Aztec.

We all landed with no more than 3-4 minutes between the first arrival and the
last. The fuel consumption though... it was telling.

C-210 19.5 gallons
T-210 26.0 gallons
Turbo Aztec 59.0 gallons.

That was an expensive flight for somebody.




--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

[Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe]

"gwengler" > wrote in message
ps.com...
> On Jun 7, 10:48 am, "Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net>
> wrote:
>> Dan Luke wrote:
>> >http://tinyurl.com/2kb22d
>>
>> > Click on the center picture and use the site's zoom feature.
>>
>> Good lord, that can't be good for the TBO.
>
> Well, he's going full blast at 16,500 ft. TAS is 182KTS, GS 169KTS.
<...>

Pretty impressive considering that, apparently, no one is sitting in the
front seats...

--
Geoff
The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com
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When immigration is outlawed, only outlaws will immigrate.

[Dan Luke]

"gwengler" wrote:

> Especially in the winter going eastbound I fly high (FL190) to catch
> the tailwinds. There I get 160 KTS TAS. Normally, I will achieve at
> least 200 KTS GS, often 220 KTS or so.

I once got 185 KTS GS going from Houston to Mobile in a 172RG at 11,000 ft.
If I'd been able to go to FL190 it would have been 50 KTS more, IIRC.

But the biggest benefit of a turbo to me would be getting above the towering
CUs down here in the summertime.

--
Dan
? at BFM

[Dan Luke]

"The Visitor" wrote:

> Amazing, it is a 'for sale' ad.

Yeah. I guess the 182 KTAS is cool, but my impression is that the bird has
been "rode hard." No thanks.

--
Dan
? at BFM

[Dylan Smith]

On 2007-06-08, Dan Luke > wrote:
>
> "The Visitor" wrote:
>
>> Amazing, it is a 'for sale' ad.
>
> Yeah. I guess the 182 KTAS is cool, but my impression is that the bird has
> been "rode hard." No thanks.

But you know what... I'd rather buy an aircraft that has been 'rode
hard', but flies 300 hours a year, than an aircraft that has been babied
and does less than 50 hours a year...

--
Yes, the Reply-To email address is valid.
Oolite-Linux: an Elite tribute: http://oolite-linux.berlios.de

[Dan Luke]

"Dylan Smith" wrote:

> But you know what... I'd rather buy an aircraft that has been 'rode
> hard', but flies 300 hours a year, than an aircraft that has been babied
> and does less than 50 hours a year...

Oh, sure.

But by "rode hard" I meant "abused."

--
Dan
? at BFM

[Dan Luke]

"Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" wrote:

>
> Pretty impressive considering that, apparently, no one is sitting in the
> front seats...

Probably only the pilot aboard, and he's holding the camera.

[Gig 601XL Builder]

Dan Luke wrote:
> "Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" wrote:
>
>>
>> Pretty impressive considering that, apparently, no one is sitting in
>> the front seats...
>
> Probably only the pilot aboard, and he's holding the camera.


Or... Does the G1000 have a simulation mode?

[Dan Luke]

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrote:

>> Probably only the pilot aboard, and he's holding the camera.
>
>
> Or... Does the G1000 have a simulation mode?

Not one that includes the standby altimeter. ;^)

[Gig 601XL Builder]

Dan Luke wrote:
> "Gig 601XL Builder" wrote:
>
>>> Probably only the pilot aboard, and he's holding the camera.
>>
>>
>> Or... Does the G1000 have a simulation mode?
>
> Not one that includes the standby altimeter. ;^)

Good point.

[Kingfish]

On Jun 7, 5:36 pm, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN" <mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com>
wrote:
>
> Many years ago I made part of a flight of three from Marsh Harbour, Abaco,
> Bahamas, to Ft. Pierce, FL. A normally aspirated C-210, a turbocharged T-210
> and a Turbo Aztec.
>
> We all landed with no more than 3-4 minutes between the first arrival and the
> last. The fuel consumption though... it was telling.
>
> C-210 19.5 gallons
> T-210 26.0 gallons
> Turbo Aztec 59.0 gallons.
>
> That was an expensive flight for somebody.

Figuring that 100LL was well below $2 gallon back then (whenever that
was) $100+/- for fuel isn't too bad - That same flight would run
almost $300 nowadays. BTW, didn't the turbo Aztrucks have the ability
to take the turbos offline and run normally aspirated? That'd help the
fuel burn a bit...

[Matt Barrow[_4_]]

"Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" <The Sea Hawk at wow way d0t com> wrote in message
news:HcudncQ0rLpe4PXbnZ2dnUVZ_viunZ2d@wideopenwest .com...
> "gwengler" > wrote in message
> ps.com...
>> On Jun 7, 10:48 am, "Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>> Dan Luke wrote:
>>> >http://tinyurl.com/2kb22d
>>>
>>> > Click on the center picture and use the site's zoom feature.
>>>
>>> Good lord, that can't be good for the TBO.
>>
>> Well, he's going full blast at 16,500 ft. TAS is 182KTS, GS 169KTS.
> <...>
>
> Pretty impressive considering that, apparently, no one is sitting in the
> front seats...

You wouldn't see the pilot's knees, and his hands are off the yoke while the
A/P is on and he's taking the pictures.

[Matt Barrow[_4_]]

"Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net> wrote in message
...
> Dan Luke wrote:
>> "Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Pretty impressive considering that, apparently, no one is sitting in
>>> the front seats...
>>
>> Probably only the pilot aboard, and he's holding the camera.
>
>
> Or... Does the G1000 have a simulation mode?

Not that the steam gauges could mimic.

[Jim Stewart]

Dan Luke wrote:
> "Montblack" wrote:
>
>> Yikes. Now I'm getting "urges!" :-)
>
> The question for pilots "of a certain age" is, "Can I keep a teenage mistress
> *and* my medical?"

You've got higher goals than me. I'd be happy
if I could order a kid's meal and a beer at
the same time :-)

[Matt Barrow[_4_]]

"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" <mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com> wrote in message
...
> Montblack wrote:
>> Anyway, wasn't there a very good thread (maybe 7 years ago) about why NOT
>> to
>> buy a small turbo'd single? IIRC, it discussed associated costs vs.
>> performance differences. The average flatlander flights took an even
>> greater
>> beating by the numbers.
>
>
> Many years ago I made part of a flight of three from Marsh Harbour, Abaco,
> Bahamas, to Ft. Pierce, FL. A normally aspirated C-210, a turbocharged
> T-210 and a Turbo Aztec.
>
> We all landed with no more than 3-4 minutes between the first arrival and
> the last. The fuel consumption though... it was telling.
>
> C-210 19.5 gallons
> T-210 26.0 gallons
> Turbo Aztec 59.0 gallons.
>
> That was an expensive flight for somebody.

Try that out here.

Or, better yet, try this one: CYS-BCE

Sure, you could mnake it in a NA'ed aircraft....

--
Matt Barrow
Performace Homes, LLC.
Cheyenne, WY

[Matt Barrow[_4_]]

"The Visitor" > wrote in message
...
> Amazing, it is a 'for sale' ad.
>
Try this one

http://preview.tinyurl.com/2hmmro

or http://tinyurl.com/2hmmro

(PFD and MFD)

> Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
>
>> Dan Luke wrote:
>>
>>>http://tinyurl.com/2kb22d
>>>
>>>Click on the center picture and use the site's zoom feature.
>>
>>
>> Good lord, that can't be good for the TBO.
>

[Matt Barrow[_4_]]

"Dylan Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 2007-06-08, Dan Luke > wrote:
>>
>> "The Visitor" wrote:
>>
>>> Amazing, it is a 'for sale' ad.
>>
>> Yeah. I guess the 182 KTAS is cool, but my impression is that the bird
>> has
>> been "rode hard." No thanks.
>
> But you know what... I'd rather buy an aircraft that has been 'rode
> hard', but flies 300 hours a year, than an aircraft that has been babied
> and does less than 50 hours a year...
>
Second that.

Note, too, what John Deakin wrote about WOTLOPSOP.

http://www.avweb.com/news/pelican/182045-1.html

[Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe]

"Dan Luke" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" wrote:
>
>>
>> Pretty impressive considering that, apparently, no one is sitting in the
>> front seats...
>
> Probably only the pilot aboard, and he's holding the camera.

Yea probably. When I first looked at the picture I noticed the lack of
knees. I didn't notice that the picture was cut off above the bottom of the
panel. Can I blame this one on bifocals?

--
Geoff
The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com
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When immigration is outlawed, only outlaws will immigrate.