US Military now wants more northern NY airspace to expand those MOAs

[Peter R.]

I have to admit, all of this fighting for our piece of the sky does at times
begin to wear away one's enthusiasm for aviation.

The latest news is that the US military is now attempting to significantly
expand the MOAs in northern NY to include at least one important Victor
airway that would effectively cut off a convenient IFR route up to the
northern NY towns, including the very scenic Lake Placid, NY, for flights
originating or terminating south and west of the airspace.

See this AOPA graphic for the current and proposed airspace changes:

http://www.aopa.org/images/whatsnew/newsitems/2007/070612adirondackLg.jpg

Here is the complete article:

http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2007/070613moa.html

If these MOAs are expanded my concern is that to fly IFR up to any of these
northern NY towns from the south or west, one would be pushed to fly over the
highest mountain peaks in NY state.

For what little it is worth I will be sending in my letter of opposition.


--
Peter

[john smith]

Peter R. wrote:
> I have to admit, all of this fighting for our piece of the sky does at times
> begin to wear away one's enthusiasm for aviation.
>
> The latest news is that the US military is now attempting to significantly
> expand the MOAs in northern NY to include at least one important Victor
> airway that would effectively cut off a convenient IFR route up to the
> northern NY towns, including the very scenic Lake Placid, NY, for flights
> originating or terminating south and west of the airspace.
>
> See this AOPA graphic for the current and proposed airspace changes:
>
> http://www.aopa.org/images/whatsnew/newsitems/2007/070612adirondackLg.jpg
>
> Here is the complete article:
>
> http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2007/070613moa.html
>
> If these MOAs are expanded my concern is that to fly IFR up to any of these
> northern NY towns from the south or west, one would be pushed to fly over the
> highest mountain peaks in NY state.
>
> For what little it is worth I will be sending in my letter of opposition.

They are all FL180-600.
That doesn't affect us little guys.
Where and how do the oxygen breathers fly through there?

[Peter R.]

On 6/13/2007 4:34:53 PM, john smith wrote:

> They are all FL180-600.
> That doesn't affect us little guys.
> Where and how do the oxygen breathers fly through there?

No, the floors are 6000 feet or 8000 feet depending and are discussed in the
AOPA article, as quoted here:

"The floor altitudes of the western half would range from 100 feet agl to
6,000 feet msl while the floors of the eastern half would range from 6,000
feet msl to 10,000 feet msl."

The graphic is showing ceiling first and the majority of the two large MOAs
affecting the victor airway to which I was referring have floors of 6000,
date depending.

--
Peter

[Blueskies]

"Peter R." > wrote in message ...
>I have to admit, all of this fighting for our piece of the sky does at times
> begin to wear away one's enthusiasm for aviation.
>
> The latest news is that the US military is now attempting to significantly
> expand the MOAs in northern NY to include at least one important Victor
> airway that would effectively cut off a convenient IFR route up to the
> northern NY towns, including the very scenic Lake Placid, NY, for flights
> originating or terminating south and west of the airspace.
>
> See this AOPA graphic for the current and proposed airspace changes:
>
> http://www.aopa.org/images/whatsnew/newsitems/2007/070612adirondackLg.jpg
>
> Here is the complete article:
>
> http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2007/070613moa.html
>
> If these MOAs are expanded my concern is that to fly IFR up to any of these
> northern NY towns from the south or west, one would be pushed to fly over the
> highest mountain peaks in NY state.
>
> For what little it is worth I will be sending in my letter of opposition.
>
>
> --
> Peter

They have plenty of airspace to 'play' in. Letter sent...

[john smith[_2_]]

In article >,
"Peter R." > wrote:

> On 6/13/2007 4:34:53 PM, john smith wrote:
>
> > They are all FL180-600.
> > That doesn't affect us little guys.
> > Where and how do the oxygen breathers fly through there?
>
> No, the floors are 6000 feet or 8000 feet depending and are discussed in the
> AOPA article, as quoted here:
>
> "The floor altitudes of the western half would range from 100 feet agl to
> 6,000 feet msl while the floors of the eastern half would range from 6,000
> feet msl to 10,000 feet msl."
>
> The graphic is showing ceiling first and the majority of the two large MOAs
> affecting the victor airway to which I was referring have floors of 6000,
> date depending.

OOPS!!! My bad.
That's what happens when old eyes look at small images.
That is a serious grab of low level airspace.

[john smith[_2_]]

The question is, what is so appealing about that area?
What other parts of the globe does it emulate for practice?
The military has fewer airplanes, pilots and bases.
Is it expanding existing SUA near bases that remain in existence?

[Peter R.]

On 6/13/2007 7:57:04 PM, "Blueskies" wrote:

> They have plenty of airspace to 'play' in. Letter sent...

Thanks for your time. Mine is also en route.

--
Peter

[Peter R.]

On 6/13/2007 8:22:16 PM, john smith wrote:

> That is a serious grab of low level airspace.

Especially given that the terrain rises from 700 feet msl to about 4,000 feet
msl, the further north and east you travel below the MOA.

--
Peter