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[Boomerang]

I'm surely not the Senior Naval Aviator (remember that? "SNA"?) attending
to this News Group although I may be the among the oldest - first carrier
landing on March 17, 1954 - and I wonder, seriously, if the cross-posters
realize what a disservice (read pain-in-the-ass) they are to those of us who
cherish contact with folks of similar backgrounds and interests Further, I
wonder if they realize that their cross-posts, always, provoke an alienation
to whatever the hell their nutty causes might be, and an annoyance with them
personally for the posts. Monitoring is an attractive option but we're way
beyond that.I just hope that each of us "good-guys" can figure out a way to
co-opt, neutralize and maybe, some day, eliminate all their crap from our
personal sand box and keep this site for those of us who have something to
say to one another about a very important element of their own security -
and their right to sound off, unfortunately.

[Shanghai McCoy[_2_]]

Well put, Boomerang. Damn.. 1954? SNA for sure! I was a mere
back-seat-qual'ed Parachute Rigger (S-3's and A-7's.. I think it gave
the rest of the A/C some misplaced sense of security having a PR along).

)Boomerang wrote:
> I'm surely not the Senior Naval Aviator (remember that? "SNA"?) attending
> to this News Group although I may be the among the oldest - first carrier
> landing on March 17, 1954 - and I wonder, seriously, if the cross-posters
> realize what a disservice (read pain-in-the-ass) they are to those of us who
> cherish contact with folks of similar backgrounds and interests Further, I
> wonder if they realize that their cross-posts, always, provoke an alienation
> to whatever the hell their nutty causes might be, and an annoyance with them
> personally for the posts. Monitoring is an attractive option but we're way
> beyond that.I just hope that each of us "good-guys" can figure out a way to
> co-opt, neutralize and maybe, some day, eliminate all their crap from our
> personal sand box and keep this site for those of us who have something to
> say to one another about a very important element of their own security -
> and their right to sound off, unfortunately.
>
>

[Bob McKellar[_2_]]

"Shanghai McCoy" > wrote in message
...
> Well put, Boomerang. Damn.. 1954? SNA for sure! I was a mere
> back-seat-qual'ed Parachute Rigger (S-3's and A-7's.. I think it gave the
> rest of the A/C some misplaced sense of security having a PR along).
>
> )Boomerang wrote:
>> I'm surely not the Senior Naval Aviator (remember that? "SNA"?)
>> attending to this News Group although I may be the among the oldest -
>> first carrier landing on March 17, 1954 - and I wonder, seriously, if the
>> cross-posters realize what a disservice (read pain-in-the-ass) they are
>> to those of us who cherish contact with folks of similar backgrounds and
>> interests Further, I wonder if they realize that their cross-posts,
>> always, provoke an alienation to whatever the hell their nutty causes
>> might be, and an annoyance with them personally for the posts.
>> Monitoring is an attractive option but we're way beyond that.I just hope
>> that each of us "good-guys" can figure out a way to co-opt, neutralize
>> and maybe, some day, eliminate all their crap from our personal sand box
>> and keep this site for those of us who have something to say to one
>> another about a very important element of their own security - and their
>> right to sound off, unfortunately.
>>
As far as "Senior" goes I can claim many conversations with Naval Aviator #
711 (My grandfather).

He is of course no longer around to defend hmself.

He did forgive me for only being a Tin Can Pork Chop. Naming my first born
after him probably helped.

Bob McKellar

[Shanghai McCoy[_2_]]

Bob McKellar wrote:
> "Shanghai McCoy" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Well put, Boomerang. Damn.. 1954? SNA for sure! I was a mere
>> back-seat-qual'ed Parachute Rigger (S-3's and A-7's.. I think it gave the
>> rest of the A/C some misplaced sense of security having a PR along).
>>
>> )Boomerang wrote:
>>> I'm surely not the Senior Naval Aviator (remember that? "SNA"?)
>>> attending to this News Group although I may be the among the oldest -
>>> first carrier landing on March 17, 1954 - and I wonder, seriously, if the
>>> cross-posters realize what a disservice (read pain-in-the-ass) they are
>>> to those of us who cherish contact with folks of similar backgrounds and
>>> interests Further, I wonder if they realize that their cross-posts,
>>> always, provoke an alienation to whatever the hell their nutty causes
>>> might be, and an annoyance with them personally for the posts.
>>> Monitoring is an attractive option but we're way beyond that.I just hope
>>> that each of us "good-guys" can figure out a way to co-opt, neutralize
>>> and maybe, some day, eliminate all their crap from our personal sand box
>>> and keep this site for those of us who have something to say to one
>>> another about a very important element of their own security - and their
>>> right to sound off, unfortunately.
>>>
> As far as "Senior" goes I can claim many conversations with Naval Aviator #
> 711 (My grandfather).
>
> He is of course no longer around to defend hmself.
>
> He did forgive me for only being a Tin Can Pork Chop. Naming my first born
> after him probably helped.
>
> Bob McKellar
>
>
Suck up! Just kiddin'.. we need tin-can sailors just as damn much as we
need aviators. I'm born and raised in Pensacola, still here, so I may
have an overdeveloped appreciation of Naval Aviation (Lord how I miss
Trader Jon's!).. I raise a glass to Naval Aviator #711!

Shanghai

[Mike Kanze]

Roger that, Boomerang.

--
Mike Kanze

"It's easy to delegate once you've learned to let a toddler spend 23 minutes buttering toast without an overwhelming urge to intervene."

- Jared Sandberg, Wall Street Journal, 5/29/2007

"Boomerang" > wrote in message ...
I'm surely not the Senior Naval Aviator (remember that? "SNA"?) attending
to this News Group although I may be the among the oldest - first carrier
landing on March 17, 1954 - and I wonder, seriously, if the cross-posters
realize what a disservice (read pain-in-the-ass) they are to those of us who
cherish contact with folks of similar backgrounds and interests Further, I
wonder if they realize that their cross-posts, always, provoke an alienation
to whatever the hell their nutty causes might be, and an annoyance with them
personally for the posts. Monitoring is an attractive option but we're way
beyond that.I just hope that each of us "good-guys" can figure out a way to
co-opt, neutralize and maybe, some day, eliminate all their crap from our
personal sand box and keep this site for those of us who have something to
say to one another about a very important element of their own security -
and their right to sound off, unfortunately.

[W. D. Allen]

"...figure out a way to co-opt, neutralize and maybe, some day, eliminate
all their crap from our
personal sand box...."

The only readily effective way is to assiduously avoid showing any response
whatsoever. Hopefully their tiny minds will get bored and they will wander
away! The alternative is to have a full time newsgroup administrator who
filters all email - a job nobody wants!

1956 - First trap on USS Monterey off Pensacola.

WDA

end

"Boomerang" > wrote in message
...
> I'm surely not the Senior Naval Aviator (remember that? "SNA"?) attending
> to this News Group although I may be the among the oldest - first carrier
> landing on March 17, 1954 - and I wonder, seriously, if the cross-posters
> realize what a disservice (read pain-in-the-ass) they are to those of us
> who cherish contact with folks of similar backgrounds and interests
> Further, I wonder if they realize that their cross-posts, always, provoke
> an alienation to whatever the hell their nutty causes might be, and an
> annoyance with them personally for the posts. Monitoring is an attractive
> option but we're way beyond that.I just hope that each of us "good-guys"
> can figure out a way to co-opt, neutralize and maybe, some day, eliminate
> all their crap from our personal sand box and keep this site for those of
> us who have something to say to one another about a very important element
> of their own security - and their right to sound off, unfortunately.
>
>

[vincent norris]

Boomerang wrote:
> I'm surely not the Senior Naval Aviator (remember that? "SNA"?) attending
> to this News Group although I may be the among the oldest - first carrier
> landing on March 17, 1954 ....

CQed summer of 1950--six traps, SNJ, aboard U.S.S. Wright.
Winged Feb. 1951.

vince norris

[B.C. MALLAM]

On 6/17/07 6:32 PM, in article , "vincent
norris" > wrote:

> Boomerang wrote:
>> I'm surely not the Senior Naval Aviator (remember that? "SNA"?) attending
>> to this News Group although I may be the among the oldest - first carrier
>> landing on March 17, 1954 ....
>
> CQed summer of 1950--six traps, SNJ, aboard U.S.S. Wright.
> Winged Feb. 1951.
>
> vince norris

Not as old as some but did CQ The T-28 on Antietam
Summer of '59 with paddles, not too many of us left that know what the
paddle signals are.

Also anyone know where I can find some photos of T-28 carrier landings?

B.C. Mallam


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[Boomerang]

....you make me feel so young...thanks!

[Al G[_2_]]

"Boomerang" > wrote in message
...
> ...you make me feel so young...thanks!
>

SNA indeed, I think I crapped in a toilet for the first time about then...

Al G

[Greasy Rider[_3_]]

"Bob McKellar" > wrote in message
. ..

> He did forgive me for only being a Tin Can Pork Chop.

New expression for me... "Tin Can Pork Chop". I understand Tin Can but lost
on the "Pork Chop".

[Bob McKellar[_2_]]

"Greasy Rider" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Bob McKellar" > wrote in message
> . ..
>
>> He did forgive me for only being a Tin Can Pork Chop.
>
> New expression for me... "Tin Can Pork Chop". I understand Tin Can but
> lost on the "Pork Chop".
>
>

Line officers wear a star over the rank stripes on dress blues and shoulder
boards on other uniforms.

Staff corps officers (Supply, Medical, Dental, Civil Engineer, etc.) wear
other distinctive insignia.

The Supply Corps insignia is said to resemble a pork chop, hence the
nickname. I suppose it was first used as a friendly insult, but has since
been wholeheartedly adopted by 'Chops everywhere.

Extra info #1: The insignia is oak leaves and three nuts. The Supply Corps
Officer has a spare for EVERYTHING.

Extra info #2: Supply Corps shoulder boards are asymmetrical and have a left
and right side. This would be too complicated for line officers.

http://www.navy.mil/navydata/navy_legacy_hr.asp?id=267 for staff corps
insignia

Bob McKellar

[Greasy Rider[_3_]]

"Bob McKellar" > wrote in message
. ..
> The Supply Corps insignia is said to resemble a pork chop, hence the
> nickname. I suppose it was first used as a friendly insult, but has since
> been wholeheartedly adopted by 'Chops everywhere.

Thanks for the education.....

Greasy Rider - aka
"Twidget- 2nd class" 1955-59

[Harriet and John]

Not to be confused with Civil Engineer Corps folks who wear - and are
called - "banana leaves"...

[W. D. Allen]

"...not too many of us left that know what the paddle signals are...."

How about paddles traps in an F9F-6 Cougar? You nuggets probably don't even
know what a Cougar was.

The MIG 15 and Cougar jet engines were both based on the same British
design.

"OK, 3 wire"

WDA
Former Frenzied Fury (FJ-3/4B) Flyer

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"B.C. MALLAM" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/17/07 6:32 PM, in article , "vincent
> norris" > wrote:
>
>> Boomerang wrote:
>>> I'm surely not the Senior Naval Aviator (remember that? "SNA"?)
>>> attending
>>> to this News Group although I may be the among the oldest - first
>>> carrier
>>> landing on March 17, 1954 ....
>>
>> CQed summer of 1950--six traps, SNJ, aboard U.S.S. Wright.
>> Winged Feb. 1951.
>>
>> vince norris
>
> Not as old as some but did CQ The T-28 on Antietam
> Summer of '59 with paddles, not too many of us left that know what the
> paddle signals are.
>
> Also anyone know where I can find some photos of T-28 carrier landings?
>
> B.C. Mallam
>
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>

[Boomerang]

Me again...remember going through Jet Transition at NAS (then) Olathe,
Kansas, and confronting the jet-vs-prop sink-rate problem in the F9F-5
Panther with the breakaway fence at the end of the runway that simply bent
down and sprung back up when you banged it on your first jet solo. Remember
later when the bent-wing Cougar defied everything you ever learned about
sink rate and ... well, that's a long time ago.

[Dudley Henriques]

On 2007-06-19 17:49:27 -0400, "Boomerang" > said:

> Me again...remember going through Jet Transition at NAS (then) Olathe,
> Kansas, and confronting the jet-vs-prop sink-rate problem in the F9F-5
> Panther with the breakaway fence at the end of the runway that simply bent
> down and sprung back up when you banged it on your first jet solo. Remember
> later when the bent-wing Cougar defied everything you ever learned about
> sink rate and ... well, that's a long time ago.

Had a good buddy who went through the Cougars in J Stage around your
time; Andy Zakrzewski; Marine driver; ended up in A4's in Nam, then
went with the FBI later on.
Andy loved the old Cougar!!
Have no fear; that ole' sink rate problem is still around. The T38 on
final can get to be a handful if you start dozing off
:-)))
Dudley Henriques

[W. D. Allen]

The major problem with Cougar carrier landings was not sink rate - it was
engine spool up after a bolter. Too much radial compressor rotor inertia to
quickly overcome. Problem was solved when axial compressors were introduced
in later aircraft's engines.

WDA
CDR USN Ret.

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"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
news:2007061918153716807-dhenriques@rcncom...
> On 2007-06-19 17:49:27 -0400, "Boomerang" > said:
>
>> Me again...remember going through Jet Transition at NAS (then) Olathe,
>> Kansas, and confronting the jet-vs-prop sink-rate problem in the F9F-5
>> Panther with the breakaway fence at the end of the runway that simply
>> bent
>> down and sprung back up when you banged it on your first jet solo.
>> Remember
>> later when the bent-wing Cougar defied everything you ever learned about
>> sink rate and ... well, that's a long time ago.
>
> Had a good buddy who went through the Cougars in J Stage around your time;
> Andy Zakrzewski; Marine driver; ended up in A4's in Nam, then went with
> the FBI later on.
> Andy loved the old Cougar!!
> Have no fear; that ole' sink rate problem is still around. The T38 on
> final can get to be a handful if you start dozing off
> :-)))
> Dudley Henriques
>

[Dudley Henriques]

On 2007-06-20 13:35:19 -0400, "W. D. Allen" > said:

> The major problem with Cougar carrier landings was not sink rate - it was
> engine spool up after a bolter. Too much radial compressor rotor inertia to
> quickly overcome. Problem was solved when axial compressors were introduced
> in later aircraft's engines.
>
> WDA
> CDR USN Ret.
>
> end
>
>
> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
> news:2007061918153716807-dhenriques@rcncom...
>> On 2007-06-19 17:49:27 -0400, "Boomerang" > said:
>>
>>> Me again...remember going through Jet Transition at NAS (then) Olathe,
>>> Kansas, and confronting the jet-vs-prop sink-rate problem in the F9F-5
>>> Panther with the breakaway fence at the end of the runway that simply
>>> bent
>>> down and sprung back up when you banged it on your first jet solo.
>>> Remember
>>> later when the bent-wing Cougar defied everything you ever learned about
>>> sink rate and ... well, that's a long time ago.
>>
>> Had a good buddy who went through the Cougars in J Stage around your time;
>> Andy Zakrzewski; Marine driver; ended up in A4's in Nam, then went with
>> the FBI later on.
>> Andy loved the old Cougar!!
>> Have no fear; that ole' sink rate problem is still around. The T38 on
>> final can get to be a handful if you start dozing off
>> :-)))
>> Dudley Henriques

The T-Bird with the J33 was a bit slow spooling up too,but of course
the runways were a tad bit longer :-)))
Dudley Henriques

[Mike Weeks]

On Jun 16, 6:35?pm, "Bob McKellar" > wrote:

> As far as "Senior" goes I can claim many conversations with Naval Aviator #
> 711 (My grandfather).

Any relationship to Earle Preston McKellar, NA#861 (1897-1964)??

MW

[[email protected]]

On Jun 16, 4:22 pm, "Boomerang" > wrote:
> I'm surely not the Senior Naval Aviator (remember that? "SNA"?) attending
> to this News Group although I may be the among the oldest - first carrier
> landing on March 17, 1954 - and I wonder, seriously, if the cross-posters
> realize what a disservice (read pain-in-the-ass) they are to those of us who
> cherish contact with folks of similar backgrounds and interests Further, I
> wonder if they realize that their cross-posts, always, provoke an alienation
> to whatever the hell their nutty causes might be, and an annoyance with them
> personally for the posts. Monitoring is an attractive option but we're way
> beyond that.I just hope that each of us "good-guys" can figure out a way to
> co-opt, neutralize and maybe, some day, eliminate all their crap from our
> personal sand box and keep this site for those of us who have something to
> say to one another about a very important element of their own security -
> and their right to sound off, unfortunately.



You set up a PUBLIC forum then whine because you can't use it like a
PRIVATE forum.

What the hell is wrong with you?

[Harriet and John]

Hey guys, see what I mean? Pain-in-the-ASS!!!
> wrote in message
oups.com...
> On Jun 16, 4:22 pm, "Boomerang" > wrote:
>> I'm surely not the Senior Naval Aviator (remember that? "SNA"?)
>> attending
>> to this News Group although I may be the among the oldest - first carrier
>> landing on March 17, 1954 - and I wonder, seriously, if the cross-posters
>> realize what a disservice (read pain-in-the-ass) they are to those of us
>> who
>> cherish contact with folks of similar backgrounds and interests Further,
>> I
>> wonder if they realize that their cross-posts, always, provoke an
>> alienation
>> to whatever the hell their nutty causes might be, and an annoyance with
>> them
>> personally for the posts. Monitoring is an attractive option but we're
>> way
>> beyond that.I just hope that each of us "good-guys" can figure out a way
>> to
>> co-opt, neutralize and maybe, some day, eliminate all their crap from our
>> personal sand box and keep this site for those of us who have something
>> to
>> say to one another about a very important element of their own security -
>> and their right to sound off, unfortunately.
>
>
>
> You set up a PUBLIC forum then whine because you can't use it like a
> PRIVATE forum.
>
> What the hell is wrong with you?
>
>

[Bob McKellar[_2_]]

"Mike Weeks" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> On Jun 16, 6:35?pm, "Bob McKellar" > wrote:
>
>> As far as "Senior" goes I can claim many conversations with Naval Aviator
>> #
>> 711 (My grandfather).
>
> Any relationship to Earle Preston McKellar, NA#861 (1897-1964)??
>
> MW
>

No relation that I know of, although I'm sure if you go back far
enough.......

#711 was my mother's father, Charles Robert Rhodes. (I'm Robert Rhodes
McKellar, my oldest son Charles Robert McKellar - lots of recycling.)

I looked up Earl McKellar in my book of the first 2000 NA's. He had a long
career, with a few years of retirement in the middle.

#711 only served a few years for WWI, and was discharged as an Ensign.
That's probably why he was so happy when he saw my lofty Lt.jg stripes!

Bob

[Mike Weeks]

On Jun 21, 7:32?am, "Bob McKellar" > wrote:
> "Mike Weeks" > wrote in message
>
> oups.com...
>
> > On Jun 16, 6:35?pm, "Bob McKellar" > wrote:
>
> >> As far as "Senior" goes I can claim many conversations with Naval Aviator
> >> #
> >> 711 (My grandfather).
>
> > Any relationship to Earle Preston McKellar, NA#861 (1897-1964)??
>
> > MW
>
> No relation that I know of, although I'm sure if you go back far
> enough.......
>
> #711 was my mother's father, Charles Robert Rhodes. (I'm Robert Rhodes
> McKellar, my oldest son Charles Robert McKellar - lots of recycling.)
>
> I looked up Earl McKellar in my book of the first 2000 NA's. He had a long
> career, with a few years of retirement in the middle.
>
> #711 only served a few years for WWI, and was discharged as an Ensign.
> That's probably why he was so happy when he saw my lofty Lt.jg stripes!

Thanks for the follow up. I was indeed wondering if you were aware of
the book "Contact!"

[Bob McKellar[_2_]]

"Mike Weeks" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> On Jun 21, 7:32?am, "Bob McKellar" > wrote:
>> "Mike Weeks" > wrote in message
>>
>> oups.com...
>>
>> > On Jun 16, 6:35?pm, "Bob McKellar" > wrote:
>>
>> >> As far as "Senior" goes I can claim many conversations with Naval
>> >> Aviator
>> >> #
>> >> 711 (My grandfather).
>>
>> > Any relationship to Earle Preston McKellar, NA#861 (1897-1964)??
>>
>> > MW
>>
>> No relation that I know of, although I'm sure if you go back far
>> enough.......
>>
>> #711 was my mother's father, Charles Robert Rhodes. (I'm Robert Rhodes
>> McKellar, my oldest son Charles Robert McKellar - lots of recycling.)
>>
>> I looked up Earl McKellar in my book of the first 2000 NA's. He had a
>> long
>> career, with a few years of retirement in the middle.
>>
>> #711 only served a few years for WWI, and was discharged as an Ensign.
>> That's probably why he was so happy when he saw my lofty Lt.jg stripes!
>
> Thanks for the follow up. I was indeed wondering if you were aware of
> the book "Contact!"

Indeed! I inherited it from #711.

I recently cleared out almost all my old aviation crap and sent it to a
museum - but not that book!

Bob
>

[Tankfixer]

In article >,
mumbled
> Me again...remember going through Jet Transition at NAS (then) Olathe,
> Kansas, and confronting the jet-vs-prop sink-rate problem in the F9F-5
> Panther with the breakaway fence at the end of the runway that simply bent
> down and sprung back up when you banged it on your first jet solo. Remember
> later when the bent-wing Cougar defied everything you ever learned about
> sink rate and ... well, that's a long time ago.
>

My father-in-law was stationed there in the late 1950's.
My wife was born in Yoder KS while they were there.

IIRC he was working on A3D by then after starting out in PBY's in
1941...

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