X-Plane Install

[George Graham]

After reading the great article in EAA Mag about the X-Plane flight
simulator, I went online and bought a copy. I installed it and the
scenery disk per instructions, even logged into the online help and
downloaded the Cozy IV airplane. I can fly it from my home airport
(ksrq) in Florida. I have made great progress for my age, with a very
complicated piece of software.

But I have very basic questions still unanswered, so I'm hoping that
one of you can help me out. I have version 8.60

1. Do I have to leave the DVD in the drive always ? It goes into
demo mode if it is not found in the drive.

2. Which scenery files do I need to fly locally ? What I see is very
poor.

3. How can I obtain an instruction manual ?

4. Is there a better way to find answers ?


Thank you very much,

George

[Paul kgyy]

I think there's a usenet group on simulators - you might get better
info there.

Or maybe you can e-mail the author of the EAA article. I read it too
- interestin.

[George Graham]

On Jun 19, 3:17 pm, Paul kgyy > wrote:
> I think there's a usenet group on simulators - you might get better
> info there.
>
Thanks Paul, Sure enough there is a rec.aviation.simulator group.

George

[buttman]

On Jun 19, 1:18 pm, George Graham > wrote:
> On Jun 19, 3:17 pm, Paul kgyy > wrote:> I think there's a usenet group on simulators - you might get better
> > info there.
>
> Thanks Paul, Sure enough there is a rec.aviation.simulator group.
>
> George

also, you can try x-plane.org

[Dallas]

On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 09:58:48 -0700, George Graham wrote:

> But I have very basic questions still unanswered, so I'm hoping that
> one of you can help me out. I have version 8.60


Go to Avsim:
http://www.avsim.com/

Across the top you'll see "Forums" - click on that

On the forums page search for "Forums in Other Flight Simulation Software
conference"

The 3rd one down will be the The X-Plane Forum.

--
Dallas

[George Graham]

On Jun 19, 5:50 pm, buttman > wrote:

>
> also, you can try x-plane.org

Thank you, I have spent days trying to navigate that site. There is
so much in that forest, that I can't find a tree. Somewhere on that
site, I read that you must post answers twice before you can post a
question. Can you imagine what my answers would be ?

I may well be too stupid to utilize this powerful program. If I had
only wanted to fly around california in a 172, I could have managed.

What I want, is to get the sim to fly like my bird, then test some
alterations.

Do you fly it Buttman ?

[Bob Noel]

In article >,
George Graham > wrote:

> 1. Do I have to leave the DVD in the drive always ?

I don't know for sure, I assumed it was part of a anti-piracy mechanism.

--
Bob Noel
(goodness, please trim replies!!!)

[buttman]

On Jun 19, 3:31 pm, George Graham > wrote:
> On Jun 19, 5:50 pm, buttman > wrote:
>
>
>
> > also, you can try x-plane.org
>
> Thank you, I have spent days trying to navigate that site. There is
> so much in that forest, that I can't find a tree. Somewhere on that
> site, I read that you must post answers twice before you can post a
> question. Can you imagine what my answers would be ?
>
> I may well be too stupid to utilize this powerful program. If I had
> only wanted to fly around california in a 172, I could have managed.
>
> What I want, is to get the sim to fly like my bird, then test some
> alterations.
>
> Do you fly it Buttman ?

We have X-Plane powered FTD's at the flight school I work at, and I've
messed around with the program a bit on my PC. The sound kept
crackling, and there was nothing I could do to get it to stop. I even
bought a new sound card, but the crackling still persisted. After I
get my computer settled from my recent switch to linux, I'll try to
give it another shot.

[Jay Honeck]

> We have X-Plane powered FTD's at the flight school I work at, and I've
> messed around with the program a bit on my PC. The sound kept
> crackling, and there was nothing I could do to get it to stop. I even
> bought a new sound card, but the crackling still persisted. After I
> get my computer settled from my recent switch to linux, I'll try to
> give it another shot.

What you are describing seems to be all-too common with X-plane.

We bought a copy for our Kiwi flight simulator (see it here:
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/flight_simulator.htm) because a friend of
mine wanted to have a whack at modeling the RV-10 he's building. We
had high hopes.

Unfortunately, the program is immensely complex, and (in my opinion)
buggy as hell. Anyone who lambastes Microsoft for Flight Simulator
would NEVER have the patience or fortitude to make X-plane work
properly.

Problems abounded. Even on a 104 inch projection screen, the fonts
were so small that we couldn't read the cryptic on-screen
instructions. The crackling noise you heard sounded just as bad on
the Kiwi, only it was being blasted through a 6-speaker surround-sound
system. Getting the program to recognize the flight controls was a
pain, and they never did feel right.

I'm sure ALL of this could be fixed, but who's got the time? It hasn't
been touched more than five times since we bought it. I can't
remember the last time anyone tried.

In short, if you have nothing better to do than tinker with software,
X-plane is for you. If you actually want to fly the sim, nothing
beats Flight Simulator.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Mike Proctor]

>
> Unfortunately, the program is immensely complex, and (in my opinion)
> buggy as hell. Anyone who lambastes Microsoft for Flight Simulator
> would NEVER have the patience or fortitude to make X-plane work
> properly.
>

You don't have a choice if you want to run something other than
windows. X-plane run pretty good on my mac. As far as the original
question you have to create a disk image and mount it to run without
the dvd.

[Mxsmanic]

Jay Honeck writes:

> What you are describing seems to be all-too common with X-plane.

It's going to be a problem with any software that attempts to model flight
based on theory, rather than just looking it up in a table. That's why
simulators that have to match real aircraft often just use a table.

[Neil Gould]

Recently, Jay Honeck > posted:

>> We have X-Plane powered FTD's at the flight school I work at, and
>> I've messed around with the program a bit on my PC. The sound kept
>> crackling, and there was nothing I could do to get it to stop. I even
>> bought a new sound card, but the crackling still persisted. After I
>> get my computer settled from my recent switch to linux, I'll try to
>> give it another shot.
>
> What you are describing seems to be all-too common with X-plane.
>
> We bought a copy for our Kiwi flight simulator (see it here:
> http://www.alexisparkinn.com/flight_simulator.htm) because a friend of
> mine wanted to have a whack at modeling the RV-10 he's building. We
> had high hopes.
>
> Unfortunately, the program is immensely complex, and (in my opinion)
> buggy as hell. Anyone who lambastes Microsoft for Flight Simulator
> would NEVER have the patience or fortitude to make X-plane work
> properly.
>
X-Plane is a completely different kind of program than Flight Simulator,
and they serve two different kinds of user. If all you want to do is fly
an "existing" aircraft with approximately the right "feel", Flight
Simulator is the way to go. If you are designing and/or building an
experimental plane (the "X" part), X-Plane is the least expensive tool to
use to model its aeronautic behavior.

So, your friend with the RV-10 had the right idea, but, as you found out,
it is a significant investment to get it configured and operating
smoothly. Perhaps he should buy it from you and, if necessary, hire
someone to configure a system that will run it properly.

Neil

[Bob Noel]

In article om>,
Jay Honeck > wrote:

[snip]
> Unfortunately, the program is immensely complex, and (in my opinion)
> buggy as hell.

x-plane buggy? Haven't seen it. Don't know if it's because I'm using
a mac, but I'm surprised you think x-plane is buggy.

--
Bob Noel
(goodness, please trim replies!!!)

[Wizard of Draws[_3_]]

On 6/20/07 8:32 PM, in article
, "Bob Noel"
> wrote:

> In article om>,
> Jay Honeck > wrote:
>
> [snip]
>> Unfortunately, the program is immensely complex, and (in my opinion)
>> buggy as hell.
>
> x-plane buggy? Haven't seen it. Don't know if it's because I'm using
> a mac, but I'm surprised you think x-plane is buggy.

I haven't seen it either. My 10 year old Mac is a bit underpowered for it
(had to get a new graphics card which I needed anyway) but it runs perfect.
When Leopard comes out and I order a souped-up Mac Pro, I'll be set.
--
Jeff 'The Wizard of Draws' Bucchino

Cartoons with a Touch of Magic�
http://www.wizardofdraws.com

More Cartoons with a Touch of Magic�
http://www.cartoonclipart.com

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Jay Honeck writes:
>
>> What you are describing seems to be all-too common with X-plane.
>
> It's going to be a problem with any software that attempts to model
> flight based on theory, rather than just looking it up in a table.
> That's why simulators that have to match real aircraft often just use
> a table.
>

You're an idiot.


You have no idea of what you're talking about even in simulation

Bertie

[Dylan Smith]

On 2007-06-20, Jay Honeck > wrote:
> Unfortunately, the program is immensely complex, and (in my opinion)
> buggy as hell. Anyone who lambastes Microsoft for Flight Simulator
> would NEVER have the patience or fortitude to make X-plane work
> properly.

It's been a while since I touched a flight sim (I've found they've lost
their appeal since getting a real plane). However, I think X-Plane and
MSFS are for different markets - MSFS is a consumer product for those
who just want to "fly" something (with plenty of eye candy). X-Plane on
the other hand is really made for people who want to experiment (hence
the 'X'). Out of all the various flight sims I've tried, X-Plane had by
far the most convincing flight model, but the most utilitarian graphics.

I didn't find any real bugs in X-Plane when I used it (that's not to say they
don't exist!) - but in any case, it sounds like X-Plane is not the right
simulator for you. I think it's aimed at the more technical user.

--
Yes, the Reply-To email address is valid.
Oolite-Linux: an Elite tribute: http://oolite-linux.berlios.de

[buttman]

On Jun 20, 6:32 pm, Wizard of Draws
> wrote:
> On 6/20/07 8:32 PM, in article
> , "Bob Noel"
>
> > wrote:
> > In article om>,
> > Jay Honeck > wrote:
>
> > [snip]
> >> Unfortunately, the program is immensely complex, and (in my opinion)
> >> buggy as hell.
>
> > x-plane buggy? Haven't seen it. Don't know if it's because I'm using
> > a mac, but I'm surprised you think x-plane is buggy.
>
> I haven't seen it either. My 10 year old Mac is a bit underpowered for it
> (had to get a new graphics card which I needed anyway) but it runs perfect.
> When Leopard comes out and I order a souped-up Mac Pro, I'll be set.
> --
> Jeff 'The Wizard of Draws' Bucchino
>
> Cartoons with a Touch of Magichttp://www.wizardofdraws.com
>
> More Cartoons with a Touch of Magichttp://www.cartoonclipart.com

The X-plane developers all use Macs. If you look on their official
site, they have a page dedicated to bashing windows and praising
Apple. I don't doubt it runs a hell of a lot better on Apple hardware.

http://x-plane.com/weapon.html

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

buttman > wrote in
ups.com:

> On Jun 20, 6:32 pm, Wizard of Draws
> > wrote:
>> On 6/20/07 8:32 PM, in article
>> , "Bob Noel"
>>
>> > wrote:
>> > In article om>,
>> > Jay Honeck > wrote:
>>
>> > [snip]
>> >> Unfortunately, the program is immensely complex, and (in my
>> >> opinion) buggy as hell.
>>
>> > x-plane buggy? Haven't seen it. Don't know if it's because I'm
>> > using a mac, but I'm surprised you think x-plane is buggy.
>>
>> I haven't seen it either. My 10 year old Mac is a bit underpowered
>> for it (had to get a new graphics card which I needed anyway) but it
>> runs perfect. When Leopard comes out and I order a souped-up Mac Pro,
>> I'll be set. --
>> Jeff 'The Wizard of Draws' Bucchino
>>
>> Cartoons with a Touch of Magichttp://www.wizardofdraws.com
>>
>> More Cartoons with a Touch of Magichttp://www.cartoonclipart.com
>
> The X-plane developers all use Macs. If you look on their official
> site, they have a page dedicated to bashing windows and praising
> Apple. I don't doubt it runs a hell of a lot better on Apple hardware.


Snort!


Bertie
>
> http://x-plane.com/weapon.html
>
>