Paris Air Show

[Matt Barrow[_4_]]

Um...maybe, just maybe, I COULD break away and go there...

http://varifrank.com/archives/2007/06/paris_air_show.php

{pant...pant...pant...}
--
Matt Barrow
Performance Homes, LLC.
Cheyenne, WY

[B A R R Y[_2_]]

Matt Barrow wrote:
> Um...maybe, just maybe, I COULD break away and go there...

You could stay with you-know-who! <G>

[Mxsmanic]

Matt Barrow writes:

> Um...maybe, just maybe, I COULD break away and go there...
>
> http://varifrank.com/archives/2007/06/paris_air_show.php

The show is interesting but with the increasing heat of recent years it can be
physically exhausting. There are only a handful of overloaded portable
toilets, and virtually nothing to drink to rehydrate, and the airfield of
course is just an open area in the blazing sun that can surpass 100 degrees F
during the day.

If you can brave all that, plus the extreme security paranoia of the
organizers and the considerable difficulty in even reaching the show, the
planes are pretty interesting.

[A Guy Called Tyketto]

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Mxsmanic > wrote:
> Matt Barrow writes:
>
>> Um...maybe, just maybe, I COULD break away and go there...
>>
>> http://varifrank.com/archives/2007/06/paris_air_show.php
>
> The show is interesting but with the increasing heat of recent years it can be
> physically exhausting. There are only a handful of overloaded portable
> toilets, and virtually nothing to drink to rehydrate, and the airfield of
> course is just an open area in the blazing sun that can surpass 100 degrees F
> during the day.
>
> If you can brave all that, plus the extreme security paranoia of the
> organizers and the considerable difficulty in even reaching the show, the
> planes are pretty interesting.

Live in Las Vegas for a summer. The airshow is nothing compared
to that.

BL.
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[Gary[_2_]]

On Jun 20, 2:18 pm, Mxsmanic > wrote:
> The show is interesting

Have you actually attended the show?

[george]

On Jun 21, 7:41 am, Gary > wrote:
> On Jun 20, 2:18 pm, Mxsmanic > wrote:
>
> > The show is interesting
>
> Have you actually attended the show?

Only if it's on a sim...

[Crash Lander[_1_]]

"Matt Barrow" > wrote in message
...
> Um...maybe, just maybe, I COULD break away and go there...
>
> http://varifrank.com/archives/2007/06/paris_air_show.php
>
> {pant...pant...pant...}
> --
> Matt Barrow
> Performance Homes, LLC.
> Cheyenne, WY

I knew blue was my favourite colour for a reason!
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But I'm never wrong!

[Crash Lander[_1_]]

"B A R R Y" > wrote in message
. net...
> You could stay with you-know-who! <G>

Yeah! Mr Positivity! The Spin Doctor! Dr M!
Several other names he's known by too! LOL!
Crash Lander
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I'm not always right,
But I'm never wrong!

[B A R R Y]

On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 01:33:56 GMT, "Crash Lander" >
wrote:

>"B A R R Y" > wrote in message
. net...
>> You could stay with you-know-who! <G>
>
>Yeah! Mr Positivity! The Spin Doctor! Dr M!
>Several other names he's known by too! LOL!
>Crash Lander


If I say his name, the filters will kill the message.

Think of it... Matt B. and Mr. MSFS, roomies for a week. <G>

[Peter Dohm]

"Crash Lander" > wrote in message
...
> "Matt Barrow" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Um...maybe, just maybe, I COULD break away and go there...
> >
> > http://varifrank.com/archives/2007/06/paris_air_show.php
> >
> > {pant...pant...pant...}
> > --
> > Matt Barrow
> > Performance Homes, LLC.
> > Cheyenne, WY
>
> I knew blue was my favourite colour for a reason!
> Crash Lander
> --
> http://straightandlevel1973.spaces.live.com/
> I'm not always right,
> But I'm never wrong!
>
>
I keep reading about the little French girl, whomever she may be, but I
really like these.

Peter :-)

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Matt Barrow writes:
>
>> Um...maybe, just maybe, I COULD break away and go there...
>>
>> http://varifrank.com/archives/2007/06/paris_air_show.php
>
> The show is interesting but with the increasing heat of recent years
> it can be physically exhausting. There are only a handful of
> overloaded portable toilets, and virtually nothing to drink to
> rehydrate, and the airfield of course is just an open area in the
> blazing sun that can surpass 100 degrees F during the day.
>
> If you can brave all that, plus the extreme security paranoia of the
> organizers and the considerable difficulty in even reaching the show,
> the planes are pretty interesting.
>


Yeah, you're a real aviator, you are.


Bertie

[Viperdoc]

Of course he hasn't attended the show, just like he doesn't fly, have a job,
or a life. All he offers are excuses for why it's better to live in his
socially isolated imaginary environment.

[El Maximo]

"B A R R Y" > wrote in message
>
> If I say his name, the filters will kill the message.

Beetlejuice .... Beetlejuice ... Beetlejuice

[Viperdoc[_4_]]

"if you can brave all that, plus the extreme security paranoia of the
organizers and the considerable difficulty in even reaching the show"

Translation: "I'm too lazy, fat, and don't want to pay the admission price"

[El Maximo]

"Viperdoc" > wrote in message
...
> "if you can brave all that, plus the extreme security paranoia of the
> organizers and the considerable difficulty in even reaching the show"
>
> Translation: "I'm too lazy, fat, and don't want to pay the admission
> price"

You forgot scared.

[C J Campbell[_1_]]

On 2007-06-20 09:29:43 -0700, "Matt Barrow"
> said:

> Um...maybe, just maybe, I COULD break away and go there...
>
> http://varifrank.com/archives/2007/06/paris_air_show.php
>
> {pant...pant...pant...}

Aw, pretty. Do they fly?
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

[Matt Barrow[_4_]]

"C J Campbell" > wrote in message
news:200706210632288930-christophercampbell@hotmailcom...
> On 2007-06-20 09:29:43 -0700, "Matt Barrow" >
> said:
>
>> Um...maybe, just maybe, I COULD break away and go there...
>>
>> http://varifrank.com/archives/2007/06/paris_air_show.php
>>
>> {pant...pant...pant...}
>
> Aw, pretty. Do they fly?

Do you mean...like, in the air?

[C J Campbell[_1_]]

On 2007-06-21 08:12:03 -0700, "Matt Barrow"
> said:

>
> "C J Campbell" > wrote in message
> news:200706210632288930-christophercampbell@hotmailcom...
>> On 2007-06-20 09:29:43 -0700, "Matt Barrow" >
>> said:
>>
>>> Um...maybe, just maybe, I COULD break away and go there...
>>>
>>> http://varifrank.com/archives/2007/06/paris_air_show.php
>>>
>>> {pant...pant...pant...}
>>
>> Aw, pretty. Do they fly?
>
> Do you mean...like, in the air?

I mean in the air. There are lots of pretty things on the ground, but
if it don't fly, it ain't nothing special.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

[Dan Luke]

"C J Campbell" wrote:

> if it don't fly, it ain't nothing special.


My sentiments exactly.

Hmmm... That would make a great slogan for a T-shirt at OSH.

--
Dan
T-182T at BFM

[Mxsmanic]

A Guy Called Tyketto writes:

> Live in Las Vegas for a summer. The airshow is nothing compared
> to that.

The air show is worse: no air conditioning, and temperatures comparable to
those of Las Vegas at times, with much higher humidity and 16 hours of
daylight.

[Mxsmanic]

Gary writes:

> Have you actually attended the show?

Yes, on several occasions.

[Viperdoc[_4_]]

There aren't too many airshows that are air conditioned and indoors. Being
outside is part of flying and working on airplanes.

[Viperdoc[_4_]]

>
> The air show is worse: no air conditioning, and temperatures comparable to
> those of Las Vegas at times, with much higher humidity and 16 hours of
> daylight.

Translation: I'm too fat, lazy, and cheap to get off my ass and see one of
the world's largest airshows. Just more excuses.

[Viperdoc[_4_]]

>
> Yes, on several occasions.

Was this before or after Lindbergh landed in France?

[ManhattanMan]

Viperdoc wrote:
> There aren't too many airshows that are air conditioned and indoors.
> Being outside is part of flying and working on airplanes.

Funny, I don't recall too many deserts in France, especially at a latitude
further north than Switzerland.

[El Maximo]

"Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
...
>A Guy Called Tyketto writes:
>
>> Live in Las Vegas for a summer. The airshow is nothing compared
>> to that.
>
> The air show is worse: no air conditioning, and temperatures comparable to
> those of Las Vegas at times, with much higher humidity and 16 hours of
> daylight.

What a crybaby!

[C J Campbell[_1_]]

On 2007-06-22 04:15:53 -0700, "Dan Luke" > said:

>
> "C J Campbell" wrote:
>
>> if it don't fly, it ain't nothing special.
>
>
> My sentiments exactly.
>
> Hmmm... That would make a great slogan for a T-shirt at OSH.

It would. An airplane has a lot of advantages over a super-model type
girlfriend:

Upkeep is less.
In 20 years it still looks like an airplane instead of Rosie O'Donnell.
It isn't going to run out on you for some younger pilot.

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

[A Guy Called Tyketto]

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Mxsmanic > wrote:
> A Guy Called Tyketto writes:
>
>> Live in Las Vegas for a summer. The airshow is nothing compared
>> to that.
>
> The air show is worse: no air conditioning, and temperatures comparable to
> those of Las Vegas at times, with much higher humidity and 16 hours of
> daylight.

And the amount of daylight in the desert southwest US is less?

Las Vegas would welcome the humidity. That would mean a better
chance for rain and a cool breeze, as opposed to dry heat and hot
winds. Right now, we're lucky to have temps at 10pm at night *under*
37C.

BL.
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[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> A Guy Called Tyketto writes:
>
>> Live in Las Vegas for a summer. The airshow is nothing compared
>> to that.
>
> The air show is worse: no air conditioning, and temperatures
> comparable to those of Las Vegas at times, with much higher humidity
> and 16 hours of daylight.
>

Wow, you'd have made a hell of an aviatior.



Fjukkwit


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Gary writes:
>
>> Have you actually attended the show?
>
> Yes, on several occasions.
>

Watching on CNN doesn't count, bankruptsy boi


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Martin Hotze > wrote in
:

> On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 01:39:20 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>
>>>> Have you actually attended the show?
>>>
>>> Yes, on several occasions.
>>>
>>
>>Watching on CNN doesn't count, bankruptsy boi
>
> forget about CNN (Europe). There are far more better news outlets than
> CNN (they got worse and came down to a FOX niveau), BBC for example.
>
> I probably wouldn't spend the money for the Paris Air Show even when
> living in Paris .. well, maybe once to have seen it personally. I have
> no big interest in the big iron and absolutely no interest at all in
> all the military stuff.
>
> So it would be best to reflect sometimes before bashing around.
>


Uh, yeh, right.



Bertie

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Crash Lander" > wrote

> I knew blue was my favourite colour for a reason!

Yeeowserrr! That middle one has legs all the way up to....There!
--
Jim in NC

[Mxsmanic]

Viperdoc writes:

> Was this before or after Lindbergh landed in France?

The Paris Air Show postdates Lindbergh's flight.

[Mxsmanic]

Viperdoc writes:

> There aren't too many airshows that are air conditioned and indoors. Being
> outside is part of flying and working on airplanes.

That's another advantage of simulators.

[Mxsmanic]

ManhattanMan writes:

> Funny, I don't recall too many deserts in France, especially at a latitude
> further north than Switzerland.

Then you haven't been to France recently. Climate changes in the past ten
years have been dramatic in much of the country. Paris has gone as high as
115 degrees, whereas the historical normal high for the year is around 76
degrees.

[Mxsmanic]

Viperdoc writes:

> Translation: I'm too fat, lazy, and cheap to get off my ass and see one of
> the world's largest airshows. Just more excuses.

It's not worth the inconveniences I've cited. And I'm not interested in
military hardware, which is all too distressingly apparent at the air show (it
reminds me of the movie _Lord of War_).

[Mxsmanic]

A Guy Called Tyketto writes:

> And the amount of daylight in the desert southwest US is less?

Yes. The southwestern U.S. is at a much lower latitude, and so the length of
daylight in summar is shorter.

> Las Vegas would welcome the humidity. That would mean a better
> chance for rain and a cool breeze, as opposed to dry heat and hot
> winds.

No. Humidity does not guarantee rain by any means, and it dramatically
reduces human tolerance for heat by limiting evaporation. You're better off
(or at least no worse off) in the dry heat of Las Vegas than in the wet heat
of some parts of the Deep South, although both locations are far too hot
and/or humid for comfort.

> Right now, we're lucky to have temps at 10pm at night *under*
> 37C.

The desert is like that. At least there is air conditioning in the desert.
With no air conditioning, both heat and humidity can be deadly.

[A Guy Called Tyketto]

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Mxsmanic > wrote:
> A Guy Called Tyketto writes:
>
>> And the amount of daylight in the desert southwest US is less?
>
> Yes. The southwestern U.S. is at a much lower latitude, and so the length of
> daylight in summar is shorter.

This makes absolutely no sense. If the southwestern US is at a
much lower latitude than France (which it is, as I've lived in BOTH),
the length of daylight would be LONGER in the summer, not shorter. The
sun set here (Vegas) at 8:03pm local time tonight, and expected to set
later at this time of the year (due to summer solstice). Plus, with it
being geographically closer to the equator than France, you will see
places like Arizona, Hawaii, and the like not use Daylight Savings Time
because of the amount of sun they get.

You may want to go back to school and LEARN something instead
of sitting there and letting it go through one ear and out the other.

I live here, so I think I would know that better than you.

>> Las Vegas would welcome the humidity. That would mean a better
>> chance for rain and a cool breeze, as opposed to dry heat and hot
>> winds.
>
> No. Humidity does not guarantee rain by any means, and it dramatically
> reduces human tolerance for heat by limiting evaporation. You're better off
> (or at least no worse off) in the dry heat of Las Vegas than in the wet heat
> of some parts of the Deep South, although both locations are far too hot
> and/or humid for comfort.

lessee.. Humidity gets up to near 100%; I go outside, and I see
rain.

I grow up in Nebraska, and humidity gets up to 95%, I go
outside, and I see rain. I look at the current weather conditions in
KOKC (where my father and other relatives live) and Humidity there is
92%. Current conditions? Rain.

As usual, you are wrong. And in this case, pathetically wrong
at that.

>> Right now, we're lucky to have temps at 10pm at night *under*
>> 37C.
>
> The desert is like that. At least there is air conditioning in the desert.
> With no air conditioning, both heat and humidity can be deadly.

Take you E=MC^2 to figure that one out?

BL.
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[Andy Hawkins]

Hi,

In article >,
> wrote:
> ManhattanMan writes:
>
>> Funny, I don't recall too many deserts in France, especially at a latitude
>> further north than Switzerland.
>
> Then you haven't been to France recently. Climate changes in the past ten
> years have been dramatic in much of the country. Paris has gone as high as
> 115 degrees, whereas the historical normal high for the year is around 76
> degrees.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/desert

The only one of those definitions you could perhaps argue as being
applicable to France is:

"5. any place lacking in something"

but somehow I don't think that's quite what you meant...

Andy

[Bob Crawford]

On Jun 28, 2:34 am, A Guy Called Tyketto
> wrote:
> Mxsmanic > wrote:
> > Yes. The southwestern U.S. is at a much lower latitude, and so the length of
> > daylight in summar is shorter.
>
> This makes absolutely no sense. If the southwestern US is at a
> much lower latitude than France (which it is, as I've lived in BOTH),
> the length of daylight would be LONGER in the summer, not shorter.

Guy, you may want to rethink that reply:

June 29, 2007 - Las Vegas - length of day: 14h 35m 46s
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/astronomy.html?n=127

June 29, 2007 - Paris - length of day: 16h 08m 14s
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/astronomy.html?n=195

In the summer "Daylight" lasts for more than 24h in the Arctic
(but only ~12h on the Equator)

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Viperdoc writes:
>
>> Was this before or after Lindbergh landed in France?
>
> The Paris Air Show postdates Lindbergh's flight.
>

Doesn't matter to you since you have nothing to do with aviation anyway.

Zero. Nadda. Zip



Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Viperdoc writes:
>
>> There aren't too many airshows that are air conditioned and indoors.
>> Being outside is part of flying and working on airplanes.
>
> That's another advantage of simulators.
>

No it isn#t.



Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> ManhattanMan writes:
>
>> Funny, I don't recall too many deserts in France, especially at a
>> latitude further north than Switzerland.
>
> Then you haven't been to France recently.


I have. Wantg me to drop in nextg time?





Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Viperdoc writes:
>
>> Translation: I'm too fat, lazy, and cheap to get off my ass and see
>> one of the world's largest airshows. Just more excuses.
>
> It's not worth the inconveniences I've cited. And I'm not interested
> in military hardware, which is all too distressingly apparent at the
> air show (it reminds me of the movie _Lord of War_).
>



You're not interested in aviation, period.



Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> ManhattanMan writes:
>
>> Funny, I don't recall too many deserts in France, especially at a
>> latitude further north than Switzerland.
>
> Then you haven't been to France recently. Climate changes in the past
> ten years have been dramatic in much of the country. Paris has gone
> as high as 115 degrees, whereas the historical normal high for the
> year is around 76 degrees.




Oh, and BTW, bull****. Paris has not reached 115 this year.

Which makes you a liar as well as an idiot

Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> A Guy Called Tyketto writes:
>
>> And the amount of daylight in the desert southwest US is less?
>
> Yes. The southwestern U.S. is at a much lower latitude, and so the
> length of daylight in summar is shorter.
>
>> Las Vegas would welcome the humidity. That would mean a better
>> chance for rain and a cool breeze, as opposed to dry heat and hot
>> winds.
>
> No. Humidity does not guarantee rain by any means, and it
> dramatically reduces human tolerance for heat by limiting evaporation.
> You're better off (or at least no worse off) in the dry heat of Las
> Vegas than in the wet heat of some parts of the Deep South, although
> both locations are far too hot and/or humid for comfort.
>
>> Right now, we're lucky to have temps at 10pm at night *under*
>> 37C.
>
> The desert is like that. At least there is air conditioning in the
> desert. With no air conditioning, both heat and humidity can be
> deadly.
>



We can only hope


Bertie

[A Guy Called Tyketto]

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Bob Crawford > wrote:
> On Jun 28, 2:34 am, A Guy Called Tyketto
> > wrote:
>> Mxsmanic > wrote:
>> > Yes. The southwestern U.S. is at a much lower latitude, and so the length of
>> > daylight in summar is shorter.
>>
>> This makes absolutely no sense. If the southwestern US is at a
>> much lower latitude than France (which it is, as I've lived in BOTH),
>> the length of daylight would be LONGER in the summer, not shorter.
>
> Guy, you may want to rethink that reply:
>

You're right. I had just thought about that after I posted.
But the rest of my post stands.

BL.
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[Mxsmanic]

A Guy Called Tyketto writes:

> This makes absolutely no sense. If the southwestern US is at a
> much lower latitude than France (which it is, as I've lived in BOTH),
> the length of daylight would be LONGER in the summer, not shorter.

No, you have it backwards. The variations in the length of the daylight
period become greater as latitude approaches the poles.

> The sun set here (Vegas) at 8:03pm local time tonight, and expected to set
> later at this time of the year (due to summer solstice).

Today the sun rose at 5:47 AM in Paris, and will set at 9:58 PM. The sky will
be light until around 11 PM.

> Plus, with it
> being geographically closer to the equator than France, you will see
> places like Arizona, Hawaii, and the like not use Daylight Savings Time
> because of the amount of sun they get.

The closer to the equator you are, the less useful Daylight Saving Time is,
because the length of the day varies less as you approach the equator. At the
equator itself, the day is always exactly 12 hours long.

> You may want to go back to school and LEARN something instead
> of sitting there and letting it go through one ear and out the other.

Keep talking, I love it.

> I live here, so I think I would know that better than you.

Living somewhere can't substitute for research.

> lessee.. Humidity gets up to near 100%; I go outside, and I see
> rain.

Anything less than 100%, and you may not see any precipitation at all.

> I grow up in Nebraska, and humidity gets up to 95%, I go
> outside, and I see rain.

It gets up to 94% here in Paris practically every morning at this time of
year, and yet it usually does not rain.

> As usual, you are wrong. And in this case, pathetically wrong
> at that.

USENET archives can be so much fun.

[Mxsmanic]

A Guy Called Tyketto writes:

> You're right. I had just thought about that after I posted.
> But the rest of my post stands.

No, it contains multiple errors, not just that one glaring error.

[[email protected]]

Uh, the only time the daylight is 12 hours long is when the sun is
about a degree north or south of the equator. It happens 4 time a
year.

Do a little thinking, or do a little spherical geometry, should be
easy for someone of your ability. The sun spans about 0.8 degrees, so
when it's over the equator daylight would exist for 181.6/360 of 24
hours, more or less.

Tina



a fractionalOn Jun 28, 3:12 pm, Mxsmanic > wrote:
> A Guy Called Tyketto writes:
>
> > You're right. I had just thought about that after I posted.
> > But the rest of my post stands.
>
> No, it contains multiple errors, not just that one glaring error.

[El Maximo]

"Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
...
>A Guy Called Tyketto writes:
>
>> You're right. I had just thought about that after I posted.
>> But the rest of my post stands.
>
> No, it contains multiple errors, not just that one glaring error.

Even if that's true, his correct-to-error ratio is orders of magnitude above
yours.

[Gary[_2_]]

On Jun 28, 3:11 pm, Mxsmanic > wrote:
>At the
> equator itself, the day is always exactly 12 hours long.
>
> USENET archives can be so much fun.

Yes, they are. Like this one...

[Mxsmanic]

Airbus writes:

> Just a reality check here - temperatures throughout June 2007 in Paris France
> have been running five to ten degrees (C) below seasonal norm.

The normal high for June is about 21; the normal low is around 14. The temps
are only slightly below the norm.

Unfortunately, this is the exception, not the rule. Most excursions are heat
waves today. The temperature is increasingly above norms almost all the
time--sometimes by a lot, sometimes by a little, but always above. This has
been an accelerating trend for a decade.

> The assertion "Climate changes in the past ten
> years have been dramatic in much of the country" is demonstrably false, and has
> no basis in fact.

The weather records say otherwise.

> It is unclear whether this contributor is suggesting the past ten years have
> shown desertification process in France ...

Desertification is not occurring, but drought is an increasing problem, as
rainfall has diminished in many areas. Even in Paris, it rains less than it
used to, and when it rains, it's much more likely to be a thunderstorm rather
than the intermittent, misty rain that Paris is known for.

[Mxsmanic]

El Maximo writes:

> Even if that's true, his correct-to-error ratio is orders of magnitude above
> yours.

This is not a tennis match or baseball game, and an error is an error.
Additionally, you'll find that I do not often make mistakes (I don't like to
make mistakes, so I take care).

[[email protected]]

On Jun 29, 3:05 am, Mxsmanic > wrote:
> El Maximo writes:
> > Even if that's true, his correct-to-error ratio is orders of magnitude above
> > yours.
>
> This is not a tennis match or baseball game, and an error is an error.
> Additionally, you'll find that I do not often make mistakes (I don't like to
> make mistakes, so I take care).

See the comment on your assertion that there's 12 hours of daylight
every day at the equator as another minor error in this thread, or
examine your life track as another example of another error. For a
person of (I'm speaking as a professional psychologist here) at least
moderately above average intellegence -- your writing skills suggest
an IQ in the 120s -- you have a demonstrated imbalance of social and
coping skills, don't you? If you're receiving professional help I'd
suggest you change psychologists, the course you're on isn't working.

[El Maximo]

"Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
...
> El Maximo writes:
>
>> Even if that's true, his correct-to-error ratio is orders of magnitude
>> above
>> yours.
>
> This is not a tennis match or baseball game, and an error is an error.
> Additionally, you'll find that I do not often make mistakes (I don't like
> to
> make mistakes, so I take care).

In truth, I've found that you make many mistakes. You just won't accept it,
so backpedal and find flaws with others.

[Airbus]

In article >,
says...
>
>
>ManhattanMan writes:
>
>> Funny, I don't recall too many deserts in France, especially at a latitude
>> further north than Switzerland.
>
>Then you haven't been to France recently. Climate changes in the past ten
>years have been dramatic in much of the country. Paris has gone as high as
>115 degrees, whereas the historical normal high for the year is around 76
>degrees.


Just a reality check here - temperatures throughout June 2007 in Paris France
have been running five to ten degrees (C) below seasonal norm. The Paris Air
show this year suffered from poor, rainy and unseasonably cold weather. It
rained every day of the ten-day event except for two professionals-only days.
The three days when public were invited had temperatures in the 60's (F) and
rain.

The assertion "Climate changes in the past ten
years have been dramatic in much of the country" is demonstrably false, and has
no basis in fact.

It is unclear whether this contributor is suggesting the past ten years have
shown desertification process in France, but in view of his (her) disdain for
truth and reality one would hardly be surprised. . .

[Mxsmanic]

writes:

> See the comment on your assertion that there's 12 hours of daylight
> every day at the equator as another minor error in this thread ...

I didn't make an error.

[Mxsmanic]

El Maximo writes:

> In truth, I've found that you make many mistakes. You just won't accept it,
> so backpedal and find flaws with others.

In truth? So you've not been telling the truth up to this point?

[[email protected]]

On Jun 29, 9:46 am, Mxsmanic > wrote:
> writes:
> > See the comment on your assertion that there's 12 hours of daylight
> > every day at the equator as another minor error in this thread ...
>
> I didn't make an error.

It is demonstrated!

[[email protected]]

For those interested, this website will allow you to calculate sun
rise and set, moon rise and set, anywhere in the world.

http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/RS_OneDay.html#formb


Only those interested in factual information need look.

[Bob Crawford]

On Jun 29, 10:30 am, wrote:
> On Jun 29, 9:46 am, Mxsmanic > wrote:
>
> > writes:
> > > See the comment on your assertion that there's 12 hours of daylight
> > > every day at the equator as another minor error in this thread ...
>
> > I didn't make an error.
>
> It is demonstrated!

Tina - You yourself aptly demonstrated:
"..The sun spans about 0.8 degrees, so when it's over the equator
daylight
would exist for 181.6/360 of 24 hours, more or less."
Therefore there ARE 12 hours of daylight every day at the equator (+
several minutes).

IMHO the rush to 'pile on', and subsequent lack of forethought, in
this NG is becoming much worse than the postings of any one poster.

[Jay B]

On Jun 29, 12:05 am, Mxsmanic > wrote:
> El Maximo writes:
> > Even if that's true, his correct-to-error ratio is orders of magnitude above
> > yours.
>
> This is not a tennis match or baseball game, and an error is an error.
> Additionally, you'll find that I do not often make mistakes (I don't like to
> make mistakes, so I take care).

Too bad your parents didn't have the same attention to detail...

[Mxsmanic]

Airbus writes:

> I believe it would take a similarly mentally afflicted person too understand
> that statement. "Most excusions?" Not season specific. Nor geography specific?
> Any time, anywhere, every time you go out it's a "heat wave"? Seen a doctor
> lately?

Excursions in much of Europe, particularly France.

> If you live in northern France (Paris) you should know by now it is a temperate
> climate. Never very cold (rarely reaches freezing in the coldest months) and
> never very hot (rarely exceeds 80°F in the summer).

I know that weather over the past ten years has been very different from that
of the previous few hundred, and the gap is widening, in the direction of
hotter weather and less rain.

[Mxsmanic]

Airbus writes:

> Thank you for the retraction . . .

I haven't retracted anything.

> Since I'm confident you cannot produce any evidence to support your assertions,
> I'll provide one for you, from the French weather authority :
> http://www.meteofrance.com/FR/actus/dossier/archives/sieclecho/dos.htm

The "French weather authority" can't even predict the weather accurately for
tomorrow, much less years to come.

[Andy Hawkins]

Hi,

In article >,
> wrote:
> The "French weather authority" can't even predict the weather accurately for
> tomorrow, much less years to come.

Since when did you have to 'predict' historical data?

Andy

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> A Guy Called Tyketto writes:
>
>> You're right. I had just thought about that after I posted.
>> But the rest of my post stands.
>
> No, it contains multiple errors, not just that one glaring error.
>

Like all of your posts, IOW



Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> El Maximo writes:
>
>> Even if that's true, his correct-to-error ratio is orders of
>> magnitude above yours.
>
> This is not a tennis match or baseball game, and an error is an error.
> Additionally, you'll find that I do not often make mistakes (I don't
> like to make mistakes, so I take care).
>

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Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> writes:
>
>> See the comment on your assertion that there's 12 hours of daylight
>> every day at the equator as another minor error in this thread ...
>
> I didn't make an error.
>

Yes, you did.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> writes:
>
>> See the comment on your assertion that there's 12 hours of daylight
>> every day at the equator as another minor error in this thread ...
>
> I didn't make an error.
>

Oh, and BTW, I've been at the equator.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> El Maximo writes:
>
>> In truth, I've found that you make many mistakes. You just won't
>> accept it, so backpedal and find flaws with others.
>
> In truth? So you've not been telling the truth up to this point?
>

Bwawhahwhhahwhahwhahwhhahwhahhahhhahwhahwhahhwhahw h!

PKB, fjukkwit



Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> A Guy Called Tyketto writes:
>
>> This makes absolutely no sense. If the southwestern US is at a
>> much lower latitude than France (which it is, as I've lived in BOTH),
>> the length of daylight would be LONGER in the summer, not shorter.
>
> No, you have it backwards. The variations in the length of the
> daylight period become greater as latitude approaches the poles.
>
>> The sun set here (Vegas) at 8:03pm local time tonight, and expected
>> to set later at this time of the year (due to summer solstice).
>
> Today the sun rose at 5:47 AM in Paris, and will set at 9:58 PM. The
> sky will be light until around 11 PM.
>
>> Plus, with it
>> being geographically closer to the equator than France, you will see
>> places like Arizona, Hawaii, and the like not use Daylight Savings
>> Time because of the amount of sun they get.
>
> The closer to the equator you are, the less useful Daylight Saving
> Time is, because the length of the day varies less as you approach the
> equator. At the equator itself, the day is always exactly 12 hours
> long.
>
>> You may want to go back to school and LEARN something instead
>> of sitting there and letting it go through one ear and out the other.
>
> Keep talking, I love it.
>
>> I live here, so I think I would know that better than you.
>
> Living somewhere can't substitute for research.
>
>> lessee.. Humidity gets up to near 100%; I go outside, and I see
>> rain.
>
> Anything less than 100%, and you may not see any precipitation at all.
>
>> I grow up in Nebraska, and humidity gets up to 95%, I go
>> outside, and I see rain.
>
> It gets up to 94% here in Paris practically every morning at this time
> of year, and yet it usually does not rain.
>


Nope, worng again, asshjole.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Airbus writes:
>
>> Just a reality check here - temperatures throughout June 2007 in
>> Paris France have been running five to ten degrees (C) below seasonal
>> norm.
>
> The normal high for June is about 21; the normal low is around 14.
> The temps are only slightly below the norm.
>
> Unfortunately, this is the exception, not the rule. Most excursions
> are heat waves today. The temperature is increasingly above norms
> almost all the time--sometimes by a lot, sometimes by a little, but
> always above. This has been an accelerating trend for a decade.
>
>> The assertion "Climate changes in the past ten
>> years have been dramatic in much of the country" is demonstrably
>> false, and has no basis in fact.
>
> The weather records say otherwise.
>
>> It is unclear whether this contributor is suggesting the past ten
>> years have shown desertification process in France ...
>
> Desertification is not occurring, but drought is an increasing
> problem, as rainfall has diminished in many areas. Even in Paris, it
> rains less than it used to, and when it rains, it's much more likely
> to be a thunderstorm rather than the intermittent, misty rain that
> Paris is known for.
>

Nope, wrong agan asshole.


And, BTW, I was in Paris on Tuesday..

Guess, what?


****ing down fron the heavens, just like it has been for most of june.;
Liar Bankruptcy boi


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Airbus writes:
>
>> I believe it would take a similarly mentally afflicted person too
>> understand that statement. "Most excusions?" Not season specific. Nor
>> geography specific? Any time, anywhere, every time you go out it's a
>> "heat wave"? Seen a doctor lately?
>
> Excursions in much of Europe, particularly France.
>
>> If you live in northern France (Paris) you should know by now it is a
>> temperate climate. Never very cold (rarely reaches freezing in the
>> coldest months) and never very hot (rarely exceeds 80°F in the
>> summer).
>
> I know that weather over the past ten years has been very different
> from that of the previous few hundred, and the gap is widening, in the
> direction of hotter weather and less rain.
>



Uh, wrong again, asshole.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Airbus writes:
>
>> Thank you for the retraction . . .
>
> I haven't retracted anything.
>
>> Since I'm confident you cannot produce any evidence to support your
>> assertions, I'll provide one for you, from the French weather
>> authority :
>>
http://www.meteofrance.com/FR/actus/dossier/archives/sieclecho/dos.htm
>
> The "French weather authority" can't even predict the weather
> accurately for tomorrow, much less years to come.
>


The French weather authority?


Bwahawhawhahwhahhwhahwhahwhhahwhahwhahhwhahw!

Oh, and yes they can. I kno. I use weather services al the time.


Bertie

[Mxsmanic]

Andy Hawkins writes:

> Since when did you have to 'predict' historical data?

You don't, but accurate prediction to me is one mark of competence in weather
study.

[Airbus]

In article >,
says...
>
>
>Airbus writes:
>
>> Just a reality check here - temperatures throughout June 2007 in Paris
France
>> have been running five to ten degrees (C) below seasonal norm.
>
>The normal high for June is about 21; the normal low is around 14. The temps
>are only slightly below the norm.
>
>Unfortunately, this is the exception, not the rule. Most excursions are heat
>waves today.

I believe it would take a similarly mentally afflicted person too understand
that statement. "Most excusions?" Not season specific. Nor geography specific?
Any time, anywhere, every time you go out it's a "heat wave"? Seen a doctor
lately?

If you live in northern France (Paris) you should know by now it is a temperate
climate. Never very cold (rarely reaches freezing in the coldest months) and
never very hot (rarely exceeds 80°F in the summer).


>
>> The assertion "Climate changes in the past ten
>> years have been dramatic in much of the country" is demonstrably false, and
has
>> no basis in fact.
>
>The weather records say otherwise.

No they do not. You have missed the point - all this talk about "dramatic
climate change" is speculation about the future. No weather data, nor any
serious observer would claim there has been "dramatic climate change" anywhern
France within the past ten years. Unless of course you would care to point us
to your data. . .

[Airbus]

In article >,
says...
>
>
>
>> It is unclear whether this contributor is suggesting the past ten years have
>> shown desertification process in France ...
>
>Desertification is not occurring,

Thank you for the retraction . . .

but drought is an increasing problem, as
>rainfall has diminished in many areas.

Drought is a problem in the southern part of France, but it has been for
centuries. It is not attributable to a change in the amount of rainfall, which
varies year to year, but has not shown any marked trend.



Even in Paris, it rains less than it
>used to, and when it rains, it's much more likely to be a thunderstorm rather
>than the intermittent, misty rain that Paris is known for.

Wrong yet again (how do you do it?)
Since I'm confident you cannot produce any evidence to support your assertions,
I'll provide one for you, from the French weather authority :
http://www.meteofrance.com/FR/actus/dossier/archives/sieclecho/dos.htm
Look at the very bottom of the page and you'll see the chart of annual
rainfall in Paris, since 1870. There is a very slight upward trend (it rains
slightly more than it used to) but it is not significant. The type of seasonal
variation seems to have changed slightly - around 1920 - but no significant
difference is visible since. . .

[Airbus]

In article >,
says...
>
>
>Andy Hawkins writes:
>
>> Since when did you have to 'predict' historical data?
>
>You don't, but accurate prediction to me is one mark of competence in weather
>study.


Wbhat would be a mark of competence in reading weather data?