Are CFIs personable?

[Robert M. Gary]

I was talking to a friend today about how difficult it is to find a
personable golf instructor. I'm a pretty so-so golfer and it really
turns me off that most instructors are very arrogant and stuck up. I
got to thinking that I sure hope students don't see CFIs the same way.
I've never considered myself better than my students so I sure help I
don't come off as arrogant in anyway. As a CFI I know that other CFIs
interact with me differently so I'm not sure I would know if other
CFIs are stuck up (as a CFI I often find that check out rides are
abbreviated, fees are reduced or instruction hours are under billed
for fellow CFIs).

I've never considered the holding of a CFI certificate to mean that
I'm any type of super pilot. In truth, anyone who takes enough
checkrides can get the certificate, its really something that any can
achieve. I hope other CFIs see it the same way.

-Robert, CFII

[Andrew Sarangan]

On Jun 25, 4:13 pm, "Robert M. Gary" > wrote:
> I was talking to a friend today about how difficult it is to find a
> personable golf instructor. I'm a pretty so-so golfer and it really
> turns me off that most instructors are very arrogant and stuck up. I
> got to thinking that I sure hope students don't see CFIs the same way.
> I've never considered myself better than my students so I sure help I
> don't come off as arrogant in anyway. As a CFI I know that other CFIs
> interact with me differently so I'm not sure I would know if other
> CFIs are stuck up (as a CFI I often find that check out rides are
> abbreviated, fees are reduced or instruction hours are under billed
> for fellow CFIs).
>
> I've never considered the holding of a CFI certificate to mean that
> I'm any type of super pilot. In truth, anyone who takes enough
> checkrides can get the certificate, its really something that any can
> achieve. I hope other CFIs see it the same way.
>
> -Robert, CFII


Long time ago when I took my first intro flight, the CFI turned me off
flying. Fortunately he did not turn me off permanently he only put it
off by a few years. He seemed disinterested in the whole thing, and
was unwilling to appreciate the excitement of my first time
experience. I had read up quite a bit, so I knew more than someone
with zero hours, and the CFI found it very annoying that I was asking
questions about aerodymanics, such as how the rudders work, and
adverse yaw and all that stuff. Having become a CFI myself, my guess
is that he did not know the answers to my questions but was too proud
to admit it, so he tried to play down my questions as dumb.

[RNR[_2_]]

On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 13:13:10 -0700, "Robert M. Gary"
> wrote:

>I was talking to a friend today about how difficult it is to find a
>personable golf instructor. I'm a pretty so-so golfer and it really
>turns me off that most instructors are very arrogant and stuck up. I
>got to thinking that I sure hope students don't see CFIs the same way.
>I've never considered myself better than my students so I sure help I
>don't come off as arrogant in anyway. As a CFI I know that other CFIs
>interact with me differently so I'm not sure I would know if other
>CFIs are stuck up (as a CFI I often find that check out rides are
>abbreviated, fees are reduced or instruction hours are under billed
>for fellow CFIs).
>
>I've never considered the holding of a CFI certificate to mean that
>I'm any type of super pilot. In truth, anyone who takes enough
>checkrides can get the certificate, its really something that any can
>achieve. I hope other CFIs see it the same way.
>
>-Robert, CFII

You sound like the kind of CFI that I would be looking for. My CFI
was very similar and I consider myself to be lucky in that regard. I'm
sure that there are both good and bad CFIs, as there are with all
walks of life, but I have run into some that are similar to your
generic golf instructor description. During several check-out rides I
have encountered CFIs (mostly young) who think that they are God's
gift to aviation and that everyone should be flying to ATP standards.
I can think of nothing that is as important to the prospective student
as finding a CFI who is not an arrogant "super pilot" and who
understands that he/she is not training to ATP or military standards.
By that, I don't mean to downplay the need for proficency, just that
one needs to walk (without being scared away) before he can run.
RNR

[Bob Gardner]

I started instructing when I was 40, and I think that having a tad bit of
life experience transfers positively when interacting with students. To my
younger students I was kind of a father figure, and to the old ones I was
seen as experienced, when in fact I was feeling my way as all new
instructors must. I haven't run across very many long-time instructors who
came struck me as arrogant.

Bob Gardner

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>I was talking to a friend today about how difficult it is to find a
> personable golf instructor. I'm a pretty so-so golfer and it really
> turns me off that most instructors are very arrogant and stuck up. I
> got to thinking that I sure hope students don't see CFIs the same way.
> I've never considered myself better than my students so I sure help I
> don't come off as arrogant in anyway. As a CFI I know that other CFIs
> interact with me differently so I'm not sure I would know if other
> CFIs are stuck up (as a CFI I often find that check out rides are
> abbreviated, fees are reduced or instruction hours are under billed
> for fellow CFIs).
>
> I've never considered the holding of a CFI certificate to mean that
> I'm any type of super pilot. In truth, anyone who takes enough
> checkrides can get the certificate, its really something that any can
> achieve. I hope other CFIs see it the same way.
>
> -Robert, CFII
>

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Robert M. Gary wrote:
> I was talking to a friend today about how difficult it is to find a
> personable golf instructor.

Hope this isn't par for the course :-))




I'm a pretty so-so golfer and it really
> turns me off that most instructors are very arrogant and stuck up. I
> got to thinking that I sure hope students don't see CFIs the same way.
> I've never considered myself better than my students so I sure help I
> don't come off as arrogant in anyway. As a CFI I know that other CFIs
> interact with me differently so I'm not sure I would know if other
> CFIs are stuck up (as a CFI I often find that check out rides are
> abbreviated, fees are reduced or instruction hours are under billed
> for fellow CFIs).
>
> I've never considered the holding of a CFI certificate to mean that
> I'm any type of super pilot. In truth, anyone who takes enough
> checkrides can get the certificate, its really something that any can
> achieve. I hope other CFIs see it the same way.
>
> -Robert, CFII
>

My comment on this is the same comment I have shared with the CFI
community for over 50 years; that being everything....and I mean
EVERYTHING..... I ever learned about teaching people to fly I have
learned from the students I have taught to fly. Every moment I ever
spent in a cockpit was as a student learning to be a better student of
my own profession.

My students have taught me, molded me, shaped the way I teach, and made
me not only a better teacher, but a FAR better pilot than I ever would
have been had I not been a flight instructor.

There is no room in aviation for arrogance. There is however, a slim
line between confidence, ability, and arrogance. The CFI who knows the
difference between these things is a flight instructor. Those who don't
are not worthy of the certificate.
Dudley Henriques

[Mortimer Schnerd, RN[_2_]]

Andrew Sarangan wrote:
> Long time ago when I took my first intro flight, the CFI turned me off
> flying. Fortunately he did not turn me off permanently he only put it
> off by a few years. He seemed disinterested in the whole thing, and
> was unwilling to appreciate the excitement of my first time
> experience. I had read up quite a bit, so I knew more than someone
> with zero hours, and the CFI found it very annoying that I was asking
> questions about aerodymanics, such as how the rudders work, and
> adverse yaw and all that stuff. Having become a CFI myself, my guess
> is that he did not know the answers to my questions but was too proud
> to admit it, so he tried to play down my questions as dumb.


Maybe I've been lucky but I can't think of any instructor I ever flew with that
came across as arrogant. There was varying dedication to teaching as some were
just building hours towards a loftier goal, but every one of them shared a love
of flying. And every one of them was quite approachable.

Your later comments may well be right on the money. I see similar behavior at
work at times: the nurses who show annoyance when you don't know the answer to
one of their queries during our shift changes invariably wouldn't be capable of
answering similar questions themselves. If they become intimidating enough,
maybe you won't dare ask?

As an aside, when they get particularly condescending I usually make a crack
about they won't mind looking up the answer themself, as they're the only one in
the room who gives a **** about the answer. Just so we understand each other
clearly....



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

[kontiki]

There is nothing inherently different about Certified Flight
Instructers than any other type of instructor (or teacher).
Some are excellent, most are average and some are very poor.

[RST Engineering]

You bet your ass we are, and if you don't believe me I'll beat the crap out
of you!!!

{;-)

P.S. I've never charged a fellow instructor for anything at all, be it
flight review, exams (when I used to give them), recurrent training, or
anything else. I think Karl Harder (RIP), a legend down at Lincoln Airport,
was my inspiration several dozen years ago. I scheduled a competency ride
with him because I hadn't had a from-the-getgo primary student in about five
years. When I asked him after the ride how much I owed him, he just said,
"If you came here to learn how to produce a better student and pilot, how
the hell can I charge you for that?"

jw

--
"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in
a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside,
thoroughly used up, totally worn out, with chocolate in one hand and wine in
the other, loudly proclaiming 'WOO HOO What a Ride!'"
--Unknown


I
> got to thinking that I sure hope students don't see CFIs the same way.
> I've never considered myself better than my students so I sure help I
> don't come off as arrogant in anyway. As a CFI I know that other CFIs
> interact with me differently so I'm not sure I would know if other
> CFIs are stuck up (as a CFI I often find that check out rides are
> abbreviated, fees are reduced or instruction hours are under billed
> for fellow CFIs).

[ManhattanMan]

RST Engineering wrote:

whatever -

You're sig was/is (in case it changes) so, so, TRUE!!!!!!!!!

[B A R R Y[_2_]]

All of the CFI's I've dealt with were relatively personable.

I talk to people before I fly with them to determine if basic
compatibility exists. If I have a hard time talking to someone in the
FBO, I doubt we'll communicate as well as we can in the air.

[Judah]

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in news:1182802390.885246.246600
@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com:

Some people are personable, others are arrogant. I find that this applies to
any walk of life, regardless of occupation...


> I was talking to a friend today about how difficult it is to find a
> personable golf instructor. I'm a pretty so-so golfer and it really
> turns me off that most instructors are very arrogant and stuck up. I
> got to thinking that I sure hope students don't see CFIs the same way.
> I've never considered myself better than my students so I sure help I
> don't come off as arrogant in anyway. As a CFI I know that other CFIs
> interact with me differently so I'm not sure I would know if other
> CFIs are stuck up (as a CFI I often find that check out rides are
> abbreviated, fees are reduced or instruction hours are under billed
> for fellow CFIs).
>
> I've never considered the holding of a CFI certificate to mean that
> I'm any type of super pilot. In truth, anyone who takes enough
> checkrides can get the certificate, its really something that any can
> achieve. I hope other CFIs see it the same way.
>
> -Robert, CFII

[Matt Barrow[_4_]]

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
...
> Robert M. Gary wrote:
>> I was talking to a friend today about how difficult it is to find a
>> personable golf instructor.
>
> Hope this isn't par for the course :-))

Me too...I'd hate to get the shaft.

[Matt Barrow[_4_]]

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>I was talking to a friend today about how difficult it is to find a
> personable golf instructor. I'm a pretty so-so golfer and it really
> turns me off that most instructors are very arrogant and stuck up.

I find both golf and flight instructors to be dry, rather colorless geeks.

(Present company excepted, of course) :~)

[Robert M. Gary]

On Jun 25, 1:52 pm, Dudley Henriques > wrote:
> Robert M. Gary wrote:
> > I was talking to a friend today about how difficult it is to find a
> > personable golf instructor.
>
> Hope this isn't par for the course :-))

You know, I guess what really irritates me about the golf instructors
is that they seen to think I should care that they are a better golfer
than I am. Yes, I acknowledge they are super God's of golf, yes, I
acknowledge that I'm a hacker who just wants to walk around on the
grass on a Sunday morning. But so what? I could see if someone said
they were a better brain surgeon than I am (if I was), that would be
impressive, but its just damn golf.
Its the same with flying. Sure, some guys can dust crops and fly under
wires and then land on a 400 foot field(I've done some of that) but
who cares? If all my student wants in aviation is to go out and fly
patterns for an hour on Sunday morning, there isn't anything wrong
with that. Besides, he's probably a better brain surgeon than I am. ;)

-Robert

[B A R R Y[_2_]]

Matt Barrow wrote:
> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Robert M. Gary wrote:
>>> I was talking to a friend today about how difficult it is to find a
>>> personable golf instructor.
>> Hope this isn't par for the course :-))
>
> Me too...I'd hate to get the shaft.
>

Then you'd need penalty strokes.

[Ol Shy & Bashful]

On Jun 25, 3:13 pm, "Robert M. Gary" > wrote:
> I was talking to a friend today about how difficult it is to find a
> personable golf instructor. I'm a pretty so-so golfer and it really
> turns me off that most instructors are very arrogant and stuck up. I
> got to thinking that I sure hope students don't see CFIs the same way.
> I've never considered myself better than my students so I sure help I
> don't come off as arrogant in anyway. As a CFI I know that other CFIs
> interact with me differently so I'm not sure I would know if other
> CFIs are stuck up (as a CFI I often find that check out rides are
> abbreviated, fees are reduced or instruction hours are under billed
> for fellow CFIs).
>
> I've never considered the holding of a CFI certificate to mean that
> I'm any type of super pilot. In truth, anyone who takes enough
> checkrides can get the certificate, its really something that any can
> achieve. I hope other CFIs see it the same way.
>
> -Robert, CFII

Robert
I can't think of anything more arrogant that a CFI who works as a golf
pro and tells you at every opportunity! <gg>
Certainly a lot of new or younger CFIs will try to impress you with
their new found credentials and I don't see any particular flaw in
that youthful exhuberance. But, if it affects the job at hand, either
the customer, or a more seasoned CFI should to say something. The
student doesn't yet know what they don't know but they can certainly
see people skills and especially when they are paying for it?
I try not to forget what it was like back in the dark ages and I only
had 500 hours of experience. Here I am 50+ years later and still
learning with 24,000 hours. At least the youngsters I fly with are
willing to learn and seem to pay attention when it comes to customer
relations.
BTW, we prohibit golfers from coming to our place. They keep diggin up
the flight line with their terrible swing....<gg>

[Jose]

> I can't think of anything more arrogant that a CFI who works as a golf
> pro and tells you at every opportunity! <gg>

I can't think of anything more arrogant that a golf pro who works as a
CFI and tells you at every opportunity? <gg>

Jose
--
You can choose whom to befriend, but you cannot choose whom to love.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[Matt Barrow[_4_]]

"B A R R Y" > wrote in message
t...
> Matt Barrow wrote:
>> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Robert M. Gary wrote:
>>>> I was talking to a friend today about how difficult it is to find a
>>>> personable golf instructor.
>>> Hope this isn't par for the course :-))
>>
>> Me too...I'd hate to get the shaft.
>>
>
> Then you'd need penalty strokes.

That wood hurt!

[Roy Smith]

In article >,
"Matt Barrow" > wrote:

> "B A R R Y" > wrote in message
> t...
> > Matt Barrow wrote:
> >> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>> Robert M. Gary wrote:
> >>>> I was talking to a friend today about how difficult it is to find a
> >>>> personable golf instructor.
> >>> Hope this isn't par for the course :-))
> >>
> >> Me too...I'd hate to get the shaft.
> >>
> >
> > Then you'd need penalty strokes.
>
> That wood hurt!

I hate the way people are always putting other people down on this
newsgroup.

[C J Campbell[_1_]]

On 2007-06-27 06:25:30 -0700, Roy Smith > said:

> In article >,
> "Matt Barrow" > wrote:
>
>> "B A R R Y" > wrote in message
>> t...
>>> Matt Barrow wrote:
>>>> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> Robert M. Gary wrote:
>>>>>> I was talking to a friend today about how difficult it is to find a
>>>>>> personable golf instructor.
>>>>> Hope this isn't par for the course :-))
>>>>
>>>> Me too...I'd hate to get the shaft.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Then you'd need penalty strokes.
>>
>> That wood hurt!
>
> I hate the way people are always putting other people down on this
> newsgroup.

Blasted mashie niblick.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

[Matt Barrow[_4_]]

"Roy Smith" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Matt Barrow" > wrote:
>
>> "B A R R Y" > wrote in message
>> t...
>> > Matt Barrow wrote:
>> >> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >>> Robert M. Gary wrote:
>> >>>> I was talking to a friend today about how difficult it is to find a
>> >>>> personable golf instructor.
>> >>> Hope this isn't par for the course :-))
>> >>
>> >> Me too...I'd hate to get the shaft.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Then you'd need penalty strokes.
>>
>> That wood hurt!
>
> I hate the way people are always putting other people down on this
> newsgroup.

That could drive a wedge between friends. This, though, would only happen is
someone has a chip on their shoulder, or if they're green with envy.

[C J Campbell[_1_]]

On 2007-06-25 13:52:25 -0700, Dudley Henriques > said:

> Robert M. Gary wrote:
>> I was talking to a friend today about how difficult it is to find a
>> personable golf instructor.
>
> Hope this isn't par for the course :-))
>
>
>
>
> I'm a pretty so-so golfer and it really
>> turns me off that most instructors are very arrogant and stuck up. I
>> got to thinking that I sure hope students don't see CFIs the same way.
>> I've never considered myself better than my students so I sure help I
>> don't come off as arrogant in anyway. As a CFI I know that other CFIs
>> interact with me differently so I'm not sure I would know if other
>> CFIs are stuck up (as a CFI I often find that check out rides are
>> abbreviated, fees are reduced or instruction hours are under billed
>> for fellow CFIs).
>>
>> I've never considered the holding of a CFI certificate to mean that
>> I'm any type of super pilot. In truth, anyone who takes enough
>> checkrides can get the certificate, its really something that any can
>> achieve. I hope other CFIs see it the same way.
>>
>> -Robert, CFII
>>
>
> My comment on this is the same comment I have shared with the CFI
> community for over 50 years; that being everything....and I mean
> EVERYTHING..... I ever learned about teaching people to fly I have
> learned from the students I have taught to fly. Every moment I ever
> spent in a cockpit was as a student learning to be a better student of
> my own profession.
>
> My students have taught me, molded me, shaped the way I teach, and made
> me not only a better teacher, but a FAR better pilot than I ever would
> have been had I not been a flight instructor.
>
> There is no room in aviation for arrogance. There is however, a slim
> line between confidence, ability, and arrogance. The CFI who knows the
> difference between these things is a flight instructor. Those who don't
> are not worthy of the certificate.
> Dudley Henriques

One of the best reasons to be a CFI is the people you get to meet.
There sure is a variety of 'em!

I cannot claim to have gotten on well or even have been able to teach
well every student that I have flown with. I remember one guy in
particular who simply was obsessed with a dispute he had with my
employer -- constantly running him down and threatening all kinds of
action from writing to Cessna and Textron (in which he claimed to be on
the board) to legal action. After three flights of that I simply told
him that I was a loyal employee, that I liked my employer and
considered him to be a personal friend, and that I would feel more
comfortable if he found another instructor working somewhere closer to
his home. I gave him a couple recommendations, one of which he
accepted. Later on I heard from that instructor that this guy was
always going on about what an awful instructor I was and how he was
glad he had dumped me and how he was going to report me to the FAA,
which he claimed he knew several people personally. So I guess you
can't please everybody. And some people can't be pleased by anybody. :-)

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

[C J Campbell[_1_]]

On 2007-06-25 13:52:25 -0700, Dudley Henriques > said:
>
> There is no room in aviation for arrogance. There is however, a slim
> line between confidence, ability, and arrogance. The CFI who knows the
> difference between these things is a flight instructor. Those who don't
> are not worthy of the certificate.
> Dudley Henriques

As a CFI you should have the ability to teach a monkey to fly an
airplane. You have confidence if you know you can teach a monkey to fly
an airplane. Arrogance is actually trying to teach a monkey to fly an
airplane. :-)
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

[RST Engineering]

I did. He now is an ops inspector for the FAA.

{;-)

Jim

--
"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in
a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside,
thoroughly used up, totally worn out, with chocolate in one hand and wine in
the other, loudly proclaiming 'WOO HOO What a Ride!'"
--Unknown


"C J Campbell" > wrote in message
news:2007062707545011272-christophercampbell@hotmailcom...


> As a CFI you should have the ability to teach a monkey to fly an airplane.
> You have confidence if you know you can teach a monkey to fly an airplane.
> Arrogance is actually trying to teach a monkey to fly an airplane. :-)

[C J Campbell[_1_]]

On 2007-06-27 08:15:40 -0700, "RST Engineering" > said:

> I did. He now is an ops inspector for the FAA.
>
> {;-)
>
> Jim

That is a high price to pay for arrogance. :-)
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

[Ol Shy & Bashful]

On Jun 27, 10:33 am, C J Campbell >
wrote:
> On 2007-06-27 08:15:40 -0700, "RST Engineering" > said:
>
> > I did. He now is an ops inspector for the FAA.
>
> > {;-)
>
> > Jim
>
> That is a high price to pay for arrogance. :-)
> --
> Waddling Eagle
> World Famous Flight Instructor

CJ
With all due respect, arrogance is what happens with many who can't do
as they say? I, on the other hand, prefer the company of people who
live on the edge, so, if at times I seem haughty and aloof, call it
honest arrogance. I can do everything I claim and refuse to work for
that bunch of clowns who now have taken over the FAA and think they
know what they are doing.
My students walk in the door knowing I'm gonna be tough and demanding.
Even when I chomp big pieces out of their butts, they finish a lesson
knowing what is required and expected of them. The difference between
how I am sitting around having a bite to eat, and how I act in the
cockpit are seperate and distinct. The best part of that is, my
students KNOW what is expected of them and try hard to get an attaboy
from me.
I know I am effective in my individual approach and technique when
students tell others, "If you want to really learn something, fly with
this guy".
Flying is a dangerous business despite the PR hype and crapola and I
take it pretty serious. All you have to do is relax for a moment or
two and you are in the weeds with a bent airplane. One of ours was
bent yesterday with a female student who did what I had been saying
NOT to do and got into a porpoise on landing. The airplane is grounded
with some serious wrinkles. I haven't talked with her yet and am
debating what to say, if anything.
We all have our individual techniques and approaches to life. I prefer
the old style techniques and don't coddle anyone. Isn't that a big
surprise?
Cheers
Soaring Buzzard
World infamous flight instructor/pilot
(should I add, unrepentant?)

[Jose]

> Arrogance is actually trying to teach a monkey to fly an airplane. :-)

Humility is realizing that your own CFI succeeded.

Jose
--
You can choose whom to befriend, but you cannot choose whom to love.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[C J Campbell[_1_]]

On 2007-06-27 09:00:51 -0700, Ol Shy & Bashful > said:

> On Jun 27, 10:33 am, C J Campbell >
> wrote:
>> On 2007-06-27 08:15:40 -0700, "RST Engineering" > said:
>>
>>> I did. He now is an ops inspector for the FAA.
>>
>>> {;-)
>>
>>> Jim
>>
>> That is a high price to pay for arrogance. :-)
>> --
>> Waddling Eagle
>> World Famous Flight Instructor
>
> CJ
> With all due respect, arrogance is what happens with many who can't do
> as they say?

I reckon that is as good a definition of arrogance as any. You know
what Dizzy Dean used to say. "It ain't bragging if you done it."

Another definition of arrogance is doing something because simply
because you can, not because you should.

Still another component of arrogance is thinking that if you can, then
others cannot. Related is thinking that because you can do something,
that others who can't do that are less than you.

Arrogance is pride. It makes you constantly compare people to each
other, as if the worth of a man is dependent on your comparisons.
Arrogance tears down instead of building up. Arrogance says that no
matter what other people do, it isn't good enough, but no matter what
you do, no one has the right to criticize it. Arrogance hides mistakes
instead of correcting them. It uses authority to quash criticism
instead of to solve problems. Arrogance hides behind position, using
certificates, awards, and honors as a shield to protect yourself and a
weapon to crush others instead of as tools for learning and teaching.
Arrogance says that the opinions of others are worthless, unless they
happen to agree with you.

Arrogance is obsession with self, the rest be damned.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

[Ol Shy & Bashful]

On Jun 27, 11:24 am, C J Campbell >
wrote:
> On 2007-06-27 09:00:51 -0700, Ol Shy & Bashful > said:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 27, 10:33 am, C J Campbell >
> > wrote:
> >> On 2007-06-27 08:15:40 -0700, "RST Engineering" > said:
>
> >>> I did. He now is an ops inspector for the FAA.
>
> >>> {;-)
>
> >>> Jim
>
> >> That is a high price to pay for arrogance. :-)
> >> --
> >> Waddling Eagle
> >> World Famous Flight Instructor
>
> > CJ
> > With all due respect, arrogance is what happens with many who can't do
> > as they say?
>
> I reckon that is as good a definition of arrogance as any. You know
> what Dizzy Dean used to say. "It ain't bragging if you done it."
>
> Another definition of arrogance is doing something because simply
> because you can, not because you should.
>
> Still another component of arrogance is thinking that if you can, then
> others cannot. Related is thinking that because you can do something,
> that others who can't do that are less than you.
>
> Arrogance is pride. It makes you constantly compare people to each
> other, as if the worth of a man is dependent on your comparisons.
> Arrogance tears down instead of building up. Arrogance says that no
> matter what other people do, it isn't good enough, but no matter what
> you do, no one has the right to criticize it. Arrogance hides mistakes
> instead of correcting them. It uses authority to quash criticism
> instead of to solve problems. Arrogance hides behind position, using
> certificates, awards, and honors as a shield to protect yourself and a
> weapon to crush others instead of as tools for learning and teaching.
> Arrogance says that the opinions of others are worthless, unless they
> happen to agree with you.
>
> Arrogance is obsession with self, the rest be damned.
> --
> Waddling Eagle
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CJ
Not a bad definition!

[Roy Smith]

In article <2007062707545011272-christophercampbell@hotmailcom>,
C J Campbell > wrote:

> On 2007-06-25 13:52:25 -0700, Dudley Henriques > said:
> >
> > There is no room in aviation for arrogance. There is however, a slim
> > line between confidence, ability, and arrogance. The CFI who knows the
> > difference between these things is a flight instructor. Those who don't
> > are not worthy of the certificate.
> > Dudley Henriques
>
> As a CFI you should have the ability to teach a monkey to fly an
> airplane. You have confidence if you know you can teach a monkey to fly
> an airplane. Arrogance is actually trying to teach a monkey to fly an
> airplane. :-)

Nah. Arrogance is signing the monkey off for the checkride :-)