Price Drop in Garmin Portables

[Marco Leon]

The 496 is now down to $2,395 for many stores. Since the vendors need an OK
from Garmin to do this, it may mean a new one on the horizon... Anyone know
more info?

Marco

[john smith]

Marco Leon wrote:
> The 496 is now down to $2,395 for many stores. Since the vendors need an OK
> from Garmin to do this, it may mean a new one on the horizon... Anyone know
> more info?

Just like what happened with the 396.

[Kyle Boatright]

"Marco Leon" > wrote in message
...
> The 496 is now down to $2,395 for many stores. Since the vendors need an
> OK from Garmin to do this, it may mean a new one on the horizon... Anyone
> know more info?
>
> Marco

There has been a persistent rumor of a 596 in the works. Other than a
larger screen with a vertical orientation, I can't imagine what upgrades are
possible.

I'm still holding out for drag and drop weather control where you put a
cursor over the weather that is in your way and then do a mouse drag to move
the weather clear of your flight path. ;-)

KB

[Road Dog]

Kyle Boatright wrote:
>
> There has been a persistent rumor of a 596 in the works. Other than a
> larger screen with a vertical orientation, I can't imagine what upgrades are
> possible.

A touchscreen like every $200 auto GPS on the market ?

[Blueskies]

"Kyle Boatright" > wrote in message . ..
>
>
> I'm still holding out for drag and drop weather control where you put a cursor over the weather that is in your way
> and then do a mouse drag to move the weather clear of your flight path. ;-)
>
> KB
>

I LIKE that one!

[john smith]

> "Marco Leon" > wrote in message
> ...
>> The 496 is now down to $2,395 for many stores. Since the vendors need an
>> OK from Garmin to do this, it may mean a new one on the horizon... Anyone
>> know more info?

> Kyle Boatright wrote:
> There has been a persistent rumor of a 596 in the works. Other than a
> larger screen with a vertical orientation, I can't imagine what upgrades are
> possible.
>
> I'm still holding out for drag and drop weather control where you put a
> cursor over the weather that is in your way and then do a mouse drag to move
> the weather clear of your flight path. ;-)

That works well until the 15 guys that are flying where you moved the
weather to move it back to your flight path.

[Kyle Boatright]

"john smith" > wrote in message
...
>> "Marco Leon" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> The 496 is now down to $2,395 for many stores. Since the vendors need an
>>> OK from Garmin to do this, it may mean a new one on the horizon...
>>> Anyone know more info?
>
>> Kyle Boatright wrote:
>> There has been a persistent rumor of a 596 in the works. Other than a
>> larger screen with a vertical orientation, I can't imagine what upgrades
>> are possible.
>>
>> I'm still holding out for drag and drop weather control where you put a
>> cursor over the weather that is in your way and then do a mouse drag to
>> move the weather clear of your flight path. ;-)
>
> That works well until the 15 guys that are flying where you moved the
> weather to move it back to your flight path.

They will have the 696 in another year. With it, you can just highlight
those 15 other guys and put 'em in pause mode...

KB

[Marco Leon]

"john smith" > wrote in message
...
>
> That works well until the 15 guys that are flying where you moved the
> weather to move it back to your flight path.

Yeah but those 15 guys have to go out and buy the 596 to get that
capability. Brilliance. Hey Kyle, do you work for Garmin's marketing
department??

Marco

[texasflyer]

Garmin needs to drop their prices on much more than just a measly $400
off their top end model.

They need to quit being such greedy bastages and come out with a nice
basic, easy to use, portable aviation GPS with large color "portrait"
screen, with WAAS, terrain/obstacle data, airport data, built-in
flight log and E6B calculator features, "land mode", etc, etc, etc,
and sell it for under $800 with all the common accessories such as
cables, yoke mounts, etc, all included in the package price.

Oh wait... I've just described the Lowrance 2000C !!!!!!

[Ross]

Kyle Boatright wrote:
> "Marco Leon" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>snip
>>
>>Marco
>
>
snip
>
> I'm still holding out for drag and drop weather control where you put a
> cursor over the weather that is in your way and then do a mouse drag to move
> the weather clear of your flight path. ;-)
>
> KB
>
>

It took me a second to understand this comment. That is great and what a
nice feature that would be.
--

Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI

[Jonathan Goodish]

In article m>,
texasflyer > wrote:
> Garmin needs to drop their prices on much more than just a measly $400
> off their top end model.
>
> They need to quit being such greedy bastages and come out with a nice
> basic, easy to use, portable aviation GPS with large color "portrait"
> screen, with WAAS, terrain/obstacle data, airport data, built-in
> flight log and E6B calculator features, "land mode", etc, etc, etc,
> and sell it for under $800 with all the common accessories such as
> cables, yoke mounts, etc, all included in the package price.
>
> Oh wait... I've just described the Lowrance 2000C !!!!!!

Except that, oops, the Lowrance 2000c doesn't have XM weather. Deal
killer for me and many others.

There are many other advantages of the Garmin hand-helds over the
Lowrance units, not the least of which is a higher-resolution display
(though it is smaller), road auto-routing, display of traffic data (from
either TIS or XRX), etc.



JKG

[texasflyer]

XM Weather, auto-routing for ground travelers, air traffic data from
TIS, etc, all qualify as 'advanced' features, not 'basic' features for
the typical VFR pilot, and might very well justify a premium price if
the buyer is willing to pay such a large amount extra for them. But
is that really worth almost three and a half times the price? ($2.4K
for the 496 vs $700 current going price for the 2000C). Certainly not
to me. My opinion is that Garmin should retail the 296 at about $800,
the 396 at maybe $1300 and the 496 at maybe $1900K and the monochrome
196 at $500. That's about what they're really worth. I don't like
either of the little 96 and 96C units. I thought the little GPS Pilot
III was a much better "entry-level" aviation GPS. They should've just
upgraded it's processor/memory/software/etc and kept the form-factor
of the "III" instead.



On Jun 28, 3:05 pm, Jonathan Goodish > wrote:
> In article m>,
>
> texasflyer > wrote:
> > Garmin needs to drop their prices on much more than just a measly $400
> > off their top end model.
>
> > They need to quit being such greedy bastages and come out with a nice
> > basic, easy to use, portable aviation GPS with large color "portrait"
> > screen, with WAAS, terrain/obstacle data, airport data, built-in
> > flight log and E6B calculator features, "land mode", etc, etc, etc,
> > and sell it for under $800 with all the common accessories such as
> > cables, yoke mounts, etc, all included in the package price.
>
> > Oh wait... I've just described the Lowrance 2000C !!!!!!
>
> Except that, oops, the Lowrance 2000c doesn't have XM weather. Deal
> killer for me and many others.
>
> There are many other advantages of the Garmin hand-helds over the
> Lowrance units, not the least of which is a higher-resolution display
> (though it is smaller), road auto-routing, display of traffic data (from
> either TIS or XRX), etc.
>
> JKG

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Blueskies" <> wrote

> I LIKE that one!

You wouldn't like that one, if you were flying along in CAVU, and someone
else dragged and dropped a thunderstorm right on top of you!
--
Jim in NC

[Newps]

Marco Leon wrote:

> The 496 is now down to $2,395 for many stores. Since the vendors need an OK
> from Garmin to do this, it may mean a new one on the horizon... Anyone know
> more info?
>
> Marco


Yep, it will look like this. Think 3D.


https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?cID=148&pID=9158#

[Kyle Boatright]

"Marco Leon" > wrote in message
...
> "john smith" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> That works well until the 15 guys that are flying where you moved the
>> weather to move it back to your flight path.
>
> Yeah but those 15 guys have to go out and buy the 596 to get that
> capability. Brilliance. Hey Kyle, do you work for Garmin's marketing
> department??
>
> Marco

Man, I hope my engineer buddies don't see your post. They would never let
me live it down...

KB

[Dan Luke]

"texasflyer" wrote:

> XM Weather, auto-routing for ground travelers, air traffic data from
> TIS, etc, all qualify as 'advanced' features, not 'basic' features for
> the typical VFR pilot, and might very well justify a premium price if
> the buyer is willing to pay such a large amount extra for them. But
> is that really worth almost three and a half times the price?

Obviously it is, since the thing sold like hotcakes -- it took weeks for me to
get mine.

Garmin was probably kicking themselves for not pricing it higher initially.



> That's about what they're really worth.

Maybe to you; that's why you didn't buy. Plenty of people felt differently.

Goods don't have intrinsic worth on some absolute scale. They are "worth"
what the market will pay.


--
Dan
T-182T at BFM

[Blueskies]

"Morgans" > wrote in message ...
>
> "Blueskies" <> wrote
>
>> I LIKE that one!
>
> You wouldn't like that one, if you were flying along in CAVU, and someone else dragged and dropped a thunderstorm
> right on top of you!
> --
> Jim in NC
>

Talk about fast moving storms...

[Dan Luke]

"Morgans" wrote:

> "Blueskies" <> wrote
>
>> I LIKE that one!
>
> You wouldn't like that one, if you were flying along in CAVU, and someone
> else dragged and dropped a thunderstorm right on top of you!


Dang!

Just when I was thinking it was a great idea...

--
Dan
T-182T at BFM

[Aluckyguess]

Yep that is what it is going to look like. I have a nice one on my boat and
was wondering when garmin would do this. I bet that sucker is going to be 3k
or more. I can wait I have an MX 20 in my airplane that sucker is nice.
"Newps" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> Marco Leon wrote:
>
>> The 496 is now down to $2,395 for many stores. Since the vendors need an
>> OK from Garmin to do this, it may mean a new one on the horizon... Anyone
>> know more info?
>>
>> Marco
>
>
> Yep, it will look like this. Think 3D.
>
>
> https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?cID=148&pID=9158#

[Jim Logajan]

"Blueskies" > wrote:
> "Morgans" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Blueskies" <> wrote
>>
>>> I LIKE that one!
>>
>> You wouldn't like that one, if you were flying along in CAVU, and
>> someone else dragged and dropped a thunderstorm right on top of you!
>> --
>> Jim in NC
>>
>
> Talk about fast moving storms...

Ever see the movie "The Final Countdown"? That had a fast moving time-storm
vortex that came literally out of nowhere to engulf the USS Nimitz. So
these things can happen! Hopefully Garmin's 596 will be able to display any
time-vortices so one can fly around them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Final_Countdown

I didn't realize this bit of trivia about one of the maneuvers in the Zeros
vs. F-14 dogfight, according to Wikipedia:

"When the F-14s report what happened, Yelland orders them to "play" with
the Zeros but not destroy them. The pilots perform amazing maneuvers like
diving toward the water and pulling up at the last second, feats impossible
for World War II-era planes (though in truth, when this sequence was
filmed, the Tomcat pilot tried to follow one of the Zero's slow barrel
rolls, but miscalculated the low speed maneuver and lost a considerable
amount of altitude, far more than intended, which prompted a hasty full-
afterburner recovery at the last moment)."

No mention how many gees pulled during those barrel rolls. ;-)

[Bob Fry]

>>>>> "Newps" == Newps > writes:

Newps> https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?cID=148&pID=9158#

What, I'll get to fly in Europe?
--
I'd rather be rich than stupid.
- Jack Handey

[Thomas Borchert]

Jonathan,

> Except that, oops, the Lowrance 2000c doesn't have XM weather.
>

What weather? (Thomas, Hamburg, Germany)

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Marco Leon]

"Newps" > wrote in message
. ..
> Marco Leon wrote:
>
>> The 496 is now down to $2,395 for many stores. Since the vendors need an
>> OK from Garmin to do this, it may mean a new one on the horizon... Anyone
>> know more info?
>
> Yep, it will look like this. Think 3D.
> https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?cID=148&pID=9158#

3D as in the Chelton PFD or 3D in terms of satellite imagery? If it's the
former, I can't see how they would do the AHRS in a portable for a
reasonable price. If it's the latter, I don't see satellite imagery adding a
significant capability over the current terrain feautres in the 496. I
believe I even posted a while back about the possibility of satellite
imagery (soon after the marine portables came out with them) but the
consensus was that it was no big deal.

Marco

[Marco Leon]

"Kyle Boatright" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> "Marco Leon" > wrote in message
>> Yeah but those 15 guys have to go out and buy the 596 to get that
>> capability. Brilliance. Hey Kyle, do you work for Garmin's marketing
>> department??
>
> Man, I hope my engineer buddies don't see your post. They would never let
> me live it down...

If you think about it, that capability would come out of requirements
exercises and therefore it's a system engineering function. So the
"marketing department" was incorrectly used in my question. :)

Marco

[Gig 601XL Builder]

texasflyer wrote:
> Garmin needs to drop their prices on much more than just a measly $400
> off their top end model.
>
> They need to quit being such greedy bastages and come out with a nice
> basic, easy to use, portable aviation GPS with large color "portrait"
> screen, with WAAS, terrain/obstacle data, airport data, built-in
> flight log and E6B calculator features, "land mode", etc, etc, etc,
> and sell it for under $800 with all the common accessories such as
> cables, yoke mounts, etc, all included in the package price.
>
> Oh wait... I've just described the Lowrance 2000C !!!!!!

One could easily counter that Lowrence needs to stop being greedy and ADD XM
weather.

[Kyle Boatright]

"Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net> wrote in message
...
> texasflyer wrote:
>> Garmin needs to drop their prices on much more than just a measly $400
>> off their top end model.
>>
>> They need to quit being such greedy bastages and come out with a nice
>> basic, easy to use, portable aviation GPS with large color "portrait"
>> screen, with WAAS, terrain/obstacle data, airport data, built-in
>> flight log and E6B calculator features, "land mode", etc, etc, etc,
>> and sell it for under $800 with all the common accessories such as
>> cables, yoke mounts, etc, all included in the package price.
>>
>> Oh wait... I've just described the Lowrance 2000C !!!!!!
>
> One could easily counter that Lowrence needs to stop being greedy and ADD
> XM weather.

At SnF, I spoke with the founder of Lowrance (Darrel, if I remember
correctly). He indicated that when the company was purchased by a company
more closely aligned with the Marine/boating industry, assets were shifted
to create some upscale products for marine navigation. This kept Lowrance
from having the first XM aviation weather GPS.

He also indicated that Lowrance would be bringing an XM product to the
aviation market.

FYI, he's a big aviation enthusiast and owns several airplanes, including a
Pilatus, an Extra, a Sukhoi, a couple more I can't remember. He was looking
for a Cub or similar..

KB

[Peter Clark]

On Wed, 4 Jul 2007 12:27:11 -0400, "Kyle Boatright"
> wrote:

>He also indicated that Lowrance would be bringing an XM product to the
>aviation market.

Bendix/King's KDR610 is an XM unit which replaces the KDR510
ground-station uplink, which has been EOL'd for 6/30/08 according to
their upgrade bulletin. Looks like XM is just about it for in-flight
weather.

[Gig 601XL Builder]

Kyle Boatright wrote:
> "Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net> wrote in message
> ...
>> texasflyer wrote:
>>> Garmin needs to drop their prices on much more than just a measly
>>> $400 off their top end model.
>>>
>>> They need to quit being such greedy bastages and come out with a
>>> nice basic, easy to use, portable aviation GPS with large color
>>> "portrait" screen, with WAAS, terrain/obstacle data, airport data,
>>> built-in flight log and E6B calculator features, "land mode", etc,
>>> etc, etc, and sell it for under $800 with all the common
>>> accessories such as cables, yoke mounts, etc, all included in the
>>> package price. Oh wait... I've just described the Lowrance 2000C !!!!!!
>>
>> One could easily counter that Lowrence needs to stop being greedy
>> and ADD XM weather.
>
> At SnF, I spoke with the founder of Lowrance (Darrel, if I remember
> correctly). He indicated that when the company was purchased by a
> company more closely aligned with the Marine/boating industry, assets
> were shifted to create some upscale products for marine navigation. This
> kept Lowrance from having the first XM aviation weather GPS.
>
> He also indicated that Lowrance would be bringing an XM product to the
> aviation market.
>
> FYI, he's a big aviation enthusiast and owns several airplanes,
> including a Pilatus, an Extra, a Sukhoi, a couple more I can't
> remember. He was looking for a Cub or similar..
>
> KB

I hope they put one out but seeing as Garmin is on their second generation
XM unit and my well be about to release the 3rd all I can say is Lowrence
needs to get off the pot becuase Garmin has XM on some of their marine
products as well.