MS Flight simulator problem: rudder over reacting

[SilkB]

It's been a while since I flew with MS flight simulator and I got back
in the cockpit the other day. I got CH yoke and rudder pedal and
installed FSX.
FSX is great but I have a problem (and in a way I think happened in
older versions of MSFS): when I use the rudder to maintain runway
alignment, it seems like the plane is jerking left and right a few
times until its settles back. As I am in short final I try to use the
rudder to keep myself aligned. If I apply right rudder, as soon as I
let it go the plane jerks left then right and left until the yaw
dampens.
Now, I fly the Cessna 172 (I didn't mention this was done in C-172) in
real life I the plane does not react that way. I turned P factor, gyro
and all that other fun stuff off but I still see the problem. I even
tried to lower the rudder pedals sensitivity but that did not help
either.
If anyone knows what the problem is or has any idea on a direction, I
would appreciate the help.
Thanks.

[Crash Lander[_1_]]

Check the sensitivities, and increase or reduce the dead zones accordingly.
Crash Lander

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"SilkB" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> It's been a while since I flew with MS flight simulator and I got back
> in the cockpit the other day. I got CH yoke and rudder pedal and
> installed FSX.
> FSX is great but I have a problem (and in a way I think happened in
> older versions of MSFS): when I use the rudder to maintain runway
> alignment, it seems like the plane is jerking left and right a few
> times until its settles back. As I am in short final I try to use the
> rudder to keep myself aligned. If I apply right rudder, as soon as I
> let it go the plane jerks left then right and left until the yaw
> dampens.
> Now, I fly the Cessna 172 (I didn't mention this was done in C-172) in
> real life I the plane does not react that way. I turned P factor, gyro
> and all that other fun stuff off but I still see the problem. I even
> tried to lower the rudder pedals sensitivity but that did not help
> either.
> If anyone knows what the problem is or has any idea on a direction, I
> would appreciate the help.
> Thanks.
>

[Will[_2_]]

Personally I find the horrible calibration problems of FS9 / FSX to be one
of the key shortcomings of the product. You can recalibrate, but
ultimately to get the calibration to something comfortable you need to use
the calibration functions in the third party product FSUIPC.

Even then, it's a lot of work to figure out how to do FSUIPC calibrations
well, and the calibrations often need to be redone many times.

To me it is just ridiculous that Microsoft doesn't realize a lot of people
are buying third party flight controls and try to reduce this to a much
easier set of wizards and templates. It undoes a lot of the fantastic
simulator work to have a one inch deflection of a rudder pedal send you off
in a wild oscillation to either side of the runway.

--
Will

"SilkB" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> It's been a while since I flew with MS flight simulator and I got back
> in the cockpit the other day. I got CH yoke and rudder pedal and
> installed FSX.
> FSX is great but I have a problem (and in a way I think happened in
> older versions of MSFS): when I use the rudder to maintain runway
> alignment, it seems like the plane is jerking left and right a few
> times until its settles back. As I am in short final I try to use the
> rudder to keep myself aligned. If I apply right rudder, as soon as I
> let it go the plane jerks left then right and left until the yaw
> dampens.
> Now, I fly the Cessna 172 (I didn't mention this was done in C-172) in
> real life I the plane does not react that way. I turned P factor, gyro
> and all that other fun stuff off but I still see the problem. I even
> tried to lower the rudder pedals sensitivity but that did not help
> either.
> If anyone knows what the problem is or has any idea on a direction, I
> would appreciate the help.
> Thanks.
>

[Angelo Campanella]

SilkB wrote:
> FSX is great but I have a problem (and in a way I think happened in
> older versions of MSFS): when I use the rudder to maintain runway
> alignment, it seems like the plane is jerking left and right a few
> times until its settles back.

I have noticed that with all of the MS products. I think it has to do
with the pot and digitizing algorithm to read that all pots. I have yet
to seea smooth algoritm in this regard. I suspect that MS is just plain
lazy in not polishing up this facet. A LOT better can be done.

> As I am in short final I try to use the
> rudder to keep myself aligned. If I apply right rudder, as soon as I
> let it go the plane jerks left then right and left until the yaw
> dampens.

Linearity and lack of baclash are words not found in MS dictionary. It
reminds me how stupid they can be. About the same mentality that
alloewed FS to fly into (through) buildings. 9-11 resulted, IMHO.

> Now, I fly the Cessna 172 (I didn't mention this was done in C-172) in
> real life I the plane does not react that way. I turned P factor, gyro
> and all that other fun stuff off but I still see the problem. I even
> tried to lower the rudder pedals sensitivity but that did not help
> either.

I always find my (real) flying is a lot smoother after a few FS
sessions. My landngs are also much better!

> If anyone knows what the problem is or has any idea on a direction, I
> would appreciate the help.

Learn to ive with it.

Be alert for (non-MS) fixes.

Angelo Campanella

[Crash Lander[_1_]]

"angelo Campanella" > wrote in message
...
> Linearity and lack of baclash are words not found in MS dictionary. It
> reminds me how stupid they can be. About the same mentality that alloewed
> FS to fly into (through) buildings. 9-11 resulted, IMHO.
> Angelo Campanella

So you believe that Microsoft is responsible for 9-11?
Hope you got your flame proof jocks on mate.
Crash Lander
--
http://straightandlevel1973.spaces.live.com/
I'm not always right,
But I'm never wrong!

[SilkB]

Guys,
Thanks for all you comments.
The solution lies in the CH control manager. At first, I didn't fiddle
with it because I thought MS knew what they were doing but I guess CH
knew better. What did the trick for me was not only the sensitivity
but also being able to control the curves. It took a lot of iterations
until I got to something I can use - I am sure I will have to play
with it more in the future.

Silk

[SilkB]

On Jul 17, 8:07 pm, angelo Campanella > wrote:
> SilkB wrote:
> > FSX is great but I have a problem (and in a way I think happened in
> > older versions of MSFS): when I use the rudder to maintain runway
> > alignment, it seems like the plane is jerking left and right a few
> > times until its settles back.
>
> I have noticed that with all of the MS products. I think it has to do
> with the pot and digitizing algorithm to read that all pots. I have yet
> to seea smooth algoritm in this regard. I suspect that MS is just plain
> lazy in not polishing up this facet. A LOT better can be done.
>
> > As I am in short final I try to use the
> > rudder to keep myself aligned. If I apply right rudder, as soon as I
> > let it go the plane jerks left then right and left until the yaw
> > dampens.
>
> Linearity and lack of baclash are words not found in MS dictionary. It
> reminds me how stupid they can be. About the same mentality that
> alloewed FS to fly into (through) buildings. 9-11 resulted, IMHO.
>
> > Now, I fly the Cessna 172 (I didn't mention this was done in C-172) in
> > real life I the plane does not react that way. I turned P factor, gyro
> > and all that other fun stuff off but I still see the problem. I even
> > tried to lower the rudder pedals sensitivity but that did not help
> > either.
>
> I always find my (real) flying is a lot smoother after a few FS
> sessions. My landngs are also much better!
>
> > If anyone knows what the problem is or has any idea on a direction, I
> > would appreciate the help.
>
> Learn to ive with it.
>
> Be alert for (non-MS) fixes.
>
> Angelo Campanella


Guys,
Thanks for all you comments.
The solution lies in the CH control manager. At first, I didn't fiddle
with it because I thought MS knew what they were doing but I guess CH
knew better. What did the trick for me was not only the sensitivity
but also being able to control the curves. It took a lot of iterations
until I got to something I can use - I am sure I will have to play
with it more in the future.

Silk

[Angelo Campanella]

Crash Lander wrote:
> "angelo Campanella" > wrote in message
> ..
>>Linearity and lack of backlash are words not found in MS dictionary. It
>>reminds me how stupid they can be. About the same mentality that alloewed
>>FS to fly into (through) buildings. 9-11 resulted, IMHO.
>>Angelo Campanella
> So you believe that Microsoft is responsible for 9-11?
> Hope you got your flame proof jocks on mate.

Agreed...

I have another:

Mayor Daley's decision to trash Meigs Field (for general aviation use)
might have been inspired by FS's use of Meigs Field as home base, noting
that the capability to fly to the Sears Tower as noted..

Just musing....one never knows what permeates the minds of politicians,
paranoid as they may be.


Angelo campanella

[ManhattanMan]

angelo Campanella wrote:
> politicians, paranoid as they may be.
>
>


Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean you aren't being followed... :)

BTW - I'd go to a different brand of glue......

[Jay B]

On Jul 20, 6:43 am, "ManhattanMan" > wrote:
> angelo Campanella wrote:
> > politicians, paranoid as they may be.
>
> Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean you aren't being followed... :)
>
> BTW - I'd go to a different brand of glue......

"Paranoid? Paranoid!?! WHO Told You I Was Paranoid!!!???!!!"

;O)

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
Chandler, AZ
www.pbase.com/flyingphotog

[Crash Lander[_1_]]

"Jay B" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> On Jul 20, 6:43 am, "ManhattanMan" > wrote:
>> angelo Campanella wrote:
>> > politicians, paranoid as they may be.
>>
>> Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean you aren't being followed... :)
>>
>> BTW - I'd go to a different brand of glue......
>
> "Paranoid? Paranoid!?! WHO Told You I Was Paranoid!!!???!!!"
>
> ;O)
>
> Jay Beckman

The guy in the black suit that's standing behind you!
Oh, and the little green Martian that's standing next to him.
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