Pattern departures and altitude

[Mxsmanic]

If I'm told "maintain at or below 3500 make left downwind departure" for a VFR
departure, do I climb immediately to 3500 (or my intended altitude) or do I
level off at pattern altitude until I leave the downwind leg of the pattern?

[Gig 601XL Builder]

Mxsmanic wrote:
> If I'm told "maintain at or below 3500 make left downwind departure"
> for a VFR departure, do I climb immediately to 3500 (or my intended
> altitude) or do I level off at pattern altitude until I leave the
> downwind leg of the pattern?

You stay at or below 3500 and make a downwind departure. IF you are in an
F16 I'd assume you are going to get to 3500 pretty fast. In a C-150, not so
much.

[El Maximo]

"Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
...
> If I'm told "maintain at or below 3500 make left downwind departure" for a
> VFR
> departure, do I climb immediately to 3500 (or my intended altitude) or do
> I
> level off at pattern altitude until I leave the downwind leg of the
> pattern?

It's only a simulator. It doesn't matter what you do.

An intelligent person would realize that.

[Mxsmanic]

Gig 601XL Builder writes:

> You stay at or below 3500 and make a downwind departure. IF you are in an
> F16 I'd assume you are going to get to 3500 pretty fast. In a C-150, not so
> much.

In a Baron, I can be above 1000' AGL in about 40 seconds, long before I reach
the downwind departure point in the pattern.

In any case, I interpret your answer to mean that I'm not restricted to
pattern altitude in such a case, and I may proceed directly to 3500 or below.

[El Maximo]

"Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
...

> In a Baron, I can be above 1000' AGL in about 40 seconds

No you can't. You can't fly.

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In rec.aviation.piloting Mxsmanic > wrote:
> If I'm told "maintain at or below 3500 make left downwind departure" for a VFR
> departure, do I climb immediately to 3500 (or my intended altitude) or do I
> level off at pattern altitude until I leave the downwind leg of the pattern?

You maintain at or below 3500.

--
Jim Pennino

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[Tina]

This man teaches English but doesn't understand it!!

What is so difficult about "maintain at or below 3500 make left
downwind departure"




On Jul 11, 10:45 am, wrote:
> In rec.aviation.piloting Mxsmanic > wrote:
>
> > If I'm told "maintain at or below 3500 make left downwind departure" for a VFR
> > departure, do I climb immediately to 3500 (or my intended altitude) or do I
> > level off at pattern altitude until I leave the downwind leg of the pattern?
>
> You maintain at or below 3500.
>
> --
> Jim Pennino
>
> Remove .spam.sux to reply.

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In rec.aviation.piloting Tina > wrote:
> This man teaches English but doesn't understand it!!

> What is so difficult about "maintain at or below 3500 make left
> downwind departure"


> On Jul 11, 10:45 am, wrote:
> > In rec.aviation.piloting Mxsmanic > wrote:
> >
> > > If I'm told "maintain at or below 3500 make left downwind departure" for a VFR
> > > departure, do I climb immediately to 3500 (or my intended altitude) or do I
> > > level off at pattern altitude until I leave the downwind leg of the pattern?
> >
> > You maintain at or below 3500.
> >
> > --
> > Jim Pennino
> >
> > Remove .spam.sux to reply.

I guess the lack of a comma between "3500" and "make" has him confused.

--
Jim Pennino

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[Robert M. Gary]

On Jul 11, 7:05 am, Mxsmanic > wrote:
> If I'm told "maintain at or below 3500 make left downwind departure" for a VFR
> departure, do I climb immediately to 3500 (or my intended altitude) or do I
> level off at pattern altitude until I leave the downwind leg of the pattern?

What do you fear will happen if you bust your altitude?

-Robert

[Kloudy via AviationKB.com]

Robert M. Gary wrote:
>> If I'm told "maintain at or below 3500 make left downwind departure" for a VFR
>> departure, do I climb immediately to 3500 (or my intended altitude) or do I
>> level off at pattern altitude until I leave the downwind leg of the pattern?
>
>What do you fear will happen if you bust your altitude?
>
>-Robert

His OS will crash.

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[Dave Doe]

In article >,
says...
> If I'm told "maintain at or below 3500 make left downwind departure" for a VFR
> departure, do I climb immediately to 3500 (or my intended altitude) or do I
> level off at pattern altitude until I leave the downwind leg of the pattern?

Are you wanting to land again? Or dice with the pattern traffic?

--
Duncan

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On Jul 11, 4:32 pm, Mxsmanic > wrote:
> In a Baron, I can be above 1000' AGL

Pretty high appartment building you live in.

-Kees

[Mxsmanic]

Dave Doe writes:

> Are you wanting to land again? Or dice with the pattern traffic?

This would be for departure to another airport.

[El Maximo]

"Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
...
> If I'm told "maintain at or below 3500 make left downwind departure" for a
> VFR
> departure, do I climb immediately to 3500 (or my intended altitude) or do
> I
> level off at pattern altitude until I leave the downwind leg of the
> pattern?

In case you haven't figured it out yet, you haven't given enough information
to answer your question. There are two key pieces of information missing.

Please..... Nobody tell him.

[Doug[_2_]]

On Jul 12, 7:18 am, wrote:
> On Jul 11, 4:32 pm, Mxsmanic > wrote:
>
> > In a Baron, I can be above 1000' AGL
>
> Pretty high appartment building you live in.
>

Pretty fast elevator, too. <g>

[LJ Blodgett]

Why would you make a left downwind?LJ

wrote:

> In rec.aviation.piloting Mxsmanic > wrote:
>
>>If I'm told "maintain at or below 3500 make left downwind departure" for a VFR
>>departure, do I climb immediately to 3500 (or my intended altitude) or do I
>>level off at pattern altitude until I leave the downwind leg of the pattern?
>
>
> You maintain at or below 3500.
>

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In rec.aviation.piloting LJ Blodgett > wrote:
> Why would you make a left downwind?LJ

> wrote:

> > In rec.aviation.piloting Mxsmanic > wrote:
> >
> >>If I'm told "maintain at or below 3500 make left downwind departure" for a VFR
> >>departure, do I climb immediately to 3500 (or my intended altitude) or do I
> >>level off at pattern altitude until I leave the downwind leg of the pattern?
> >
> >
> > You maintain at or below 3500.
> >

Because the tower told you to?

I can think of at least one place where that's common to keep the
climbing traffic away from houses.


--
Jim Pennino

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[Tom L.]

On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:05:27 +0200, Mxsmanic >
wrote:

>If I'm told "maintain at or below 3500 make left downwind departure" for a VFR
>departure, do I climb immediately to 3500 (or my intended altitude) or do I
>level off at pattern altitude until I leave the downwind leg of the pattern?

Climb to your altitude.
"Downwind" indicates direction of the departure, not altitude.
"Left" means make left turns.
Pattern and its altitude are for landing aircraft.

- Tom

[Tina]

That's a nice point, Tom. We enter landing patterns, not take off
ones.

[Dave Doe]

In article >,
says...
> Dave Doe writes:
>
> > Are you wanting to land again? Or dice with the pattern traffic?
>
> This would be for departure to another airport.

You've answered your own question then.

--
Duncan

[Mxsmanic]

Tom L. writes:

> Climb to your altitude.
> "Downwind" indicates direction of the departure, not altitude.
> "Left" means make left turns.
> Pattern and its altitude are for landing aircraft.

OK, thanks!

[JB]

On Jul 13, 12:48 am, Mxsmanic > wrote:
> Tom L. writes:
> > Climb to your altitude.
> > "Downwind" indicates direction of the departure, not altitude.
> > "Left" means make left turns.
> > Pattern and its altitude are for landing aircraft.
>
> OK, thanks!

WOW! He actually said "OK" (no more endless arguing back and forth
ad nauseum) and "thanks" (an acknowledgement of appreciation to the
pilot that took the time to answer his question).

I don't know if this is a "first" but it sure is a refreshing change.
Maybe Anthony has turned over a new leaf. On 2nd thought......nah.

--Jeff

[DougS]

"JB" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> On Jul 13, 12:48 am, Mxsmanic > wrote:
>> Tom L. writes:
>> > Climb to your altitude.
>> > "Downwind" indicates direction of the departure, not altitude.
>> > "Left" means make left turns.
>> > Pattern and its altitude are for landing aircraft.
>>
>> OK, thanks!
>
> WOW! He actually said "OK" (no more endless arguing back and forth
> ad nauseum) and "thanks" (an acknowledgement of appreciation to the
> pilot that took the time to answer his question).
>
> I don't know if this is a "first" but it sure is a refreshing change.
> Maybe Anthony has turned over a new leaf. On 2nd thought......nah.
>
> --Jeff
>


Of course, *ALL* of this information could be gleaned from the AIM, right?

[Tina]

There may be low time or no time pilots reading these posts, and the
final exchange with MX would be a useful reminder to them.



On Jul 13, 10:32 am, "DougS" >
wrote:
> "JB" > wrote in message
>
> oups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 13, 12:48 am, Mxsmanic > wrote:
> >> Tom L. writes:
> >> > Climb to your altitude.
> >> > "Downwind" indicates direction of the departure, not altitude.
> >> > "Left" means make left turns.
> >> > Pattern and its altitude are for landing aircraft.
>
> >> OK, thanks!
>
> > WOW! He actually said "OK" (no more endless arguing back and forth
> > ad nauseum) and "thanks" (an acknowledgement of appreciation to the
> > pilot that took the time to answer his question).
>
> > I don't know if this is a "first" but it sure is a refreshing change.
> > Maybe Anthony has turned over a new leaf. On 2nd thought......nah.
>
> > --Jeff
>
> Of course, *ALL* of this information could be gleaned from the AIM, right?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Tina" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> There may be low time or no time pilots reading these posts, and the
> final exchange with MX would be a useful reminder to them.

"MX has no redeeming quality or value to the good of this group."

Rinse. Repeat.

Believe it.
--
Jim in NC

[Mxsmanic]

JB writes:

> I don't know if this is a "first" but it sure is a refreshing change.

It is neither a first nor a refreshing change, as anyone who actually read my
posts carefully before replying would already know.

[Viperdoc]

We know that you write a lot, but actually say little, and that you don't
fly at all.

[Tina]

There are some places where those departure instructions would be very
interesting -- Jackson Hole, or Denver comes to mind.

l.

[george]

On Jul 12, 2:51 am, Tina > wrote:
> This man teaches English but doesn't understand it!!
>
> What is so difficult about "maintain at or below 3500 make left
> downwind departure"

Well if you only 'fly' a simulator you probably have difficulty with
shoe laces

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Dave Doe writes:
>
>> Are you wanting to land again? Or dice with the pattern traffic?
>
> This would be for departure to another airport.
>

whosh


Fjukktard


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> If I'm told "maintain at or below 3500 make left downwind departure"
> for a VFR departure, do I climb immediately to 3500 (or my intended
> altitude) or do I level off at pattern altitude until I leave the
> downwind leg of the pattern?
>



Nobody is ever going to tell you that.

You don't fly

Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Gig 601XL Builder writes:
>
>> You stay at or below 3500 and make a downwind departure. IF you are
>> in an F16 I'd assume you are going to get to 3500 pretty fast. In a
>> C-150, not so much.
>
> In a Baron, I can be above 1000' AGL in about 40 seconds, long before
> I reach the downwind departure point in the pattern.


You'll never, ever fly a baron or anything else, Fjukkwit


>
> In any case, I interpret your answer to mean that I'm not restricted
> to pattern altitude in such a case, and I may proceed directly to 3500
> or below.


You're restricet to your bedroom , Anthony



Bertie
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