Re: Pilot Parachute Rig For Sale

[Ron Natalie]

"Splat!" > wrote in message . ca...
> Why not ?
>
Because many servers segregate groups based on whether they allow
images or other binaries to be posted there. This is a text-only group
and does not want to be relegated to the shorter retentions and other
handling issues it would have if it were designated as a binary group.

[Hard to Believe]

> Ron Natalie > wrote:

> Because many servers segregate groups based on whether they allow
> images or other binaries to be posted there. This is a text-only group
> and does not want to be relegated to the shorter retentions and other
> handling issues it would have if it were designated as a binary group.


Now that's rich........

Funny Ron but I've never seen you chastise Mr. Phillips for
posting binaries to this group whenever he felt like it.

But then I don't recall you or your wife ever chasting
Mr. Phillips for any of his off topic, or boorish behaviour
in this group.

POT KETTLE AND VERY BLACK

[Ron Natalie]

"Hard to Believe" > wrote in message ...

> Funny Ron but I've never seen you chastise Mr. Phillips for
> posting binaries to this group whenever he felt like it.

Only because I haven't noticed him doing it.

> But then I don't recall you or your wife ever chasting
> Mr. Phillips for any of his off topic, or boorish behaviour
> in this group.

That's not my concern.

> POT KETTLE AND VERY BLACK

What the hell do you mean by this. If you have some specific
complaints about my behavior rather than the other misbehaved
children in this group, I'll be glad to discuss them. Otherwise,
avoid insulting me. I was just trying to inform the user, politely,
of a rule that he was probably not aware of.

[Ron Natalie]

> wrote in message ...

> Would chastising Mr. Phillips for posting binaries to the group would get him to
> stop? Or would he just post more binaries?

I never noticed Mr. Phillips posting binaries (mostly because I tend to ignore
his postings). As for off-topic posts, they don't bother me because they will
not cause the group to migrate to a binary server.

>
> >
> >But then I don't recall you or your wife ever chasting
> >Mr. Phillips for any of his off topic, or boorish behaviour
> >in this group.

Margy doesn't even read this group. If you see posts from her, they are replies
to x-posted messages in other rec.av groups.

This whole thing seems little other than a random personal attack at me and
my wife with no grounding in fact.

[Lee Willcox]

But then again, no one forced anyone to download a binary on their slow
modem.
They made the choice all by themselves. Seems to me that takes away their
right to complain.

He thinks he is the keeper of the flame.
You must bow to his demands.
Or he will run home and tell his mother.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

"Splat!" > wrote in message
. ca...
>
> "Ron Natalie" > wrote in message
>
> > This whole thing seems little other than a random personal attack at me
> and
> > my wife with no grounding in fact.
> >
> >
> >
>
> Not wanting to annoy anybody,
> and not understanding what you were talking about.
> I contacted a few computer Guru's who helped to explain your previous
> message :
>
> " Because many servers segregate groups based on whether they allow
> images or other binaries to be posted there. This is a text-only group
> and does not want to be relegated to the shorter retentions and other
> handling issues it would have if it were designated as a binary group. "
>
> They all found it somewhat amusing,
> but like me, were not sure if you were trying to be a smart ass, or just
> anal.
>
> My friends were much more helpful,
> and explained your concerns to me as such :
>
> A lot of people who read newsgroups messages,
> do it over a slow modem.
> These people find pictures and other ' binaries ',
> frustrating when downloading messages from a newsgroup,
> because it makes the downloading time much longer.
> Although there is no rule against posting messages with ' binaries ',
> it is a courtesy to these people if you post the picture, or such, on a
> website,
> and then post the URL to the website in your message on the newsgroup.
>
> HEY !
> I can understand that !
> and genuinely sympathize with the slow modem problem.
> If posting the picture on a website, instead of the newsgroup,
> helps a lot of people out.
> No problem !
>
> But you E-mailing me at home, and asking me not to post picture on the
> newsgroup,
> with no explanation, ( like your the webmaster or something ),
> and then when I did ask why, to posted what you did.
> Expect a ' non - random ' negative response, or two.
>
> Enough said on the subject,
> the skies are blue,
> I'm outta here,
> Phil.
>
>

[Kevin Horton]

On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 10:26:46 +0000, Splat! wrote:

> Not wanting to annoy anybody,
> and not understanding what you were talking about. I contacted a few
> computer Guru's who helped to explain your previous message :
>
> " Because many servers segregate groups based on whether they allow
> images or other binaries to be posted there. This is a text-only group
> and does not want to be relegated to the shorter retentions and other
> handling issues it would have if it were designated as a binary group. "
>
> They all found it somewhat amusing,
> but like me, were not sure if you were trying to be a smart ass, or just
> anal.
>
> My friends were much more helpful,
> and explained your concerns to me as such :
>
> A lot of people who read newsgroups messages, do it over a slow modem.
> These people find pictures and other ' binaries ', frustrating when
> downloading messages from a newsgroup, because it makes the downloading
> time much longer. Although there is no rule against posting messages with
> ' binaries ', it is a courtesy to these people if you post the picture, or
> such, on a website,
> and then post the URL to the website in your message on the newsgroup.
>
> HEY !
> I can understand that !
> and genuinely sympathize with the slow modem problem. If posting the
> picture on a website, instead of the newsgroup, helps a lot of people out.
> No problem !
>
> But you E-mailing me at home, and asking me not to post picture on the
> newsgroup,
> with no explanation, ( like your the webmaster or something ), and then
> when I did ask why, to posted what you did. Expect a ' non - random '
> negative response, or two.
>
> Enough said on the subject,
> the skies are blue,
> I'm outta here,
> Phil.

In simpler terms, Ron said that postings from newsgroups that typically
have binaries aren't archived very long on news servers. Take a look at how
far back your news server has postings from rec.aviation.homebuilt vs how
far back it has postings from alt.binaries.pictures.aviation. My news
server has rec.aviation.homebuilt messages going back into July.
alt.binaries.pictures.aviation only goes back to August 18th.

I expect that most people prefer that their server has RAH messages that
go back as long as possible. If people make a habit of posting binaries
we risk having our servers start only keeping a few days of messages.
--
Kevin Horton
Ottawa

[Ron Natalie]

"Splat!" > wrote in message . ca...


> They all found it somewhat amusing,
> but like me, were not sure if you were trying to be a smart ass, or just
> anal.

Gee, now there's a friendly thought. You won't give me any reasonable
benefit of the doubt.

The truth of the matter is as I explained it. The charter of big-8 groups
such as this spells out whether binaries are permissable or not. Many
of the big news server outlets (including the one I am using) make a distinction
between the binary and non-binary newsgroups.

> But you E-mailing me at home, and asking me not to post picture on the
> newsgroup,

I just replied to the sender of the message. Would you rather i
publically insulted you and ridiculed you in public like you seem
bent on doing to me?

> and then when I did ask why, to posted what you did.

Which was a simple explanation of why I asked you politely not to post
such messages to the group.

> Expect a ' non - random ' negative response, or two.

Welcome to the group, you'll fit in with the rest of the low lifes here.

[Ron Natalie]

"Kevin Horton" > wrote in message ...
> > I expect that most people prefer that their server has RAH messages that
> go back as long as possible. If people make a habit of posting binaries
> we risk having our servers start only keeping a few days of messages.

Not only archiving duration, several companies (including the one I am using now)
have special "text only" servers which either have cheaper or faster access.

[Morgans]

"Lee Willcox" > wrote in message
...
> But then again, no one forced anyone to download a binary on their slow
> modem.
> They made the choice all by themselves. Seems to me that takes away their
> right to complain.
>
> He thinks he is the keeper of the flame.
> You must bow to his demands.
> Or he will run home and tell his mother.
> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>

BZZZZT wrong!

When you have a slow modem, you usually set it to download "all" new
messages and headers. You would expect that to be relatively quick, until
someone puts binaries on a non binaries group.

Oh, by the way,
GROW UP!
--
Jim in NC--

[Bernie the Bunion]

> Kevin Horton > wrote:

> In simpler terms,

Valid post snipped for brevity.

> If people make a habit of posting binaries we risk having
> our servers start only keeping a few days of messages.

Kevin I agree with you one hundred percent.

But without trying to prolong this thread or sound totally
argumentative I will presume that the next time Bill Phillips
posts a binary here that you and Ron Natalie will lead the pack
in publicly pointing out his transgression from acceptible netiquette.

[Bernie the Bunion]

> Ron Natalie > wrote:

> I just replied to the sender of the message. Would you rather i
> publically insulted you and ridiculed you in public like you seem
> bent on doing to me?

You already have.

> Welcome to the group, you'll fit in with the rest of the low lifes here.

Ron stop being so hard on yourself

[Barnyard BOb --]

>In simpler terms, Ron said that postings from newsgroups that typically
>have binaries aren't archived very long on news servers. Take a look at how
>far back your news server has postings from rec.aviation.homebuilt vs how
>far back it has postings from alt.binaries.pictures.aviation. My news
>server has rec.aviation.homebuilt messages going back into July.
>alt.binaries.pictures.aviation only goes back to August 18th.

>Kevin Horton
>Ottawa
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Depends on YOUR particular news server.

Giganews currently has RAH messages back at least to January 2003.
https://secure.giganews.com/signup/cgi-bin/service.cgi?a=newzbot


Barnyard BOb -- not affiliated with Giganews

[Warren & Nancy]

Bill has been chastised by several folks.

Bernie the Bunion wrote:

> > Splat! > wrote:
>
> > But you E-mailing me at home, and asking me not to post picture
> > on the newsgroup, with no explanation, ( like your the webmaster
> > or something )
>
> HEY SENT YOU AN E-MAIL - AS WELL !!!!!!!!!!
>
> Ron............Tch, Tch, Tch.!!!!!!!!
>
> Well Phill.... YES - posting binaries to a non binary group
> is considered a netiquette NO NO and like it or not you
> got your fingers gently rapped and learned a netiquette
> lesson in the process.
>
> It's not a big deal so don't sweat it.
>
> But sending an unsolicited E-mail as Mr. Natilie did is also considered
> by many to be a breach of netiquette.
>
> That aside.
>
> IN THIS GROUP there is one individual named Bill Phillips who posts
> binaries whenever he feels like it. And he is a well known regular.
>
> And I don't recall anybody ever chastising him for doing so.
>
> TO THE GROUP - Correct me if I am wrong.
>
> Ron Natalie and his wife Margy are very well known regulars in this
> group and when Ron chastised you the other day I decided to stick
> my tongue on the post and point out to Mr. Natalie that I had never
> seen him chastise Bill Phillips for doing the same thing.
>
> Mr. Natalie's response was to claim that he doesn't follow the
> postings or transgresions of Bill Phillips. Personally I find that
> incredibly hard to believe.
>
> I point out that yesterday someone else posted a binary to
> this group and Mr Natalie was conspicuous by his silence.
>
> But then maybe he chastised him by E-mail instead.
>
> That's why I never, ever, ever use a valid e-mail addy in this
> or any other group.
>
> Sincerely,
> This group's favourite Bunion - Bernie

[Bernie the Bunion]

Recently..... Bernie the Bunion wrote the following.

> > IN THIS GROUP there is one individual named Bill Phillips who posts
> > binaries whenever he feels like it. And he is a well known regular.
> >
> > And I don't recall anybody ever chastising him for doing so.
> >
> > TO THE GROUP - Correct me if I am wrong.

And then > Warren & Nancy > wrote:

> Bill has been chastised by several folks.

I said I didn't recall and obviously you do - so I defer to your
recollection of the facts.

I stand corrected and thank you Warren for setting the record straight.

[Bernie the Bunion]

> pac plyer > wrote:

> I don't think you a sock puppet any more at all. I think your a crip
> in a chair

Well Pacy.... That's the difference between you and me.

I just think your Bill's sock puppet, and if the best way you can think
of trying to denigrate me is to refer to me as a cripple when virtually
everyone in this group is well aware by now that I am physically
handicapped.... then have at it

Comments like that are more a reflection on you than me.

The more you post the more you sound just like Bill.

[Kevin Horton]

On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 16:03:51 +0000, Bernie the Bunion wrote:

>> Kevin Horton > wrote:
>
>> In simpler terms,
>
> Valid post snipped for brevity.
>
>> If people make a habit of posting binaries we risk having
>> our servers start only keeping a few days of messages.
>
> Kevin I agree with you one hundred percent.
>
> But without trying to prolong this thread or sound totally argumentative
> I will presume that the next time Bill Phillips posts a binary here that
> you and Ron Natalie will lead the pack in publicly pointing out his
> transgression from acceptible netiquette.

That is not likely to happen, as I don't see anything that Bill Phillips
posts. I used to enjoy reading his stuff many years ago, when he was in
the habit of posting some great aviation related stuff. But then his
signal to noise ratio plummeted, and his postings became too venomous for
my liking, so he was the second RAHer to hit my kill file.

--
Kevin Horton
Ottawa

[Bernie the Bunion]

> Kevin Horton > wrote:

> so he was the second RAHer to hit my kill file.

Well considering you can read MY posts I will presume
that I wasn't number one.

And with any luck I won't be number three also.

How's the power grid down in that neck of the woods,
back to normal or still a little dodgey....?????

[pac plyer]

Bernie the Bunion > wrote in message >...
> > pac plyer > wrote:
>
> > I don't think you a sock puppet any more at all. I think your a crip
> > in a chair
>
> Well Pacy.... That's the difference between you and me.
>
> I just think your Bill's sock puppet, and if the best way you can think
> of trying to denigrate me is to refer to me as a cripple when virtually
> everyone in this group is well aware by now that I am physically
> handicapped.... then have at it
>
> Comments like that are more a reflection on you than me.
>
> The more you post the more you sound just like Bill.

Pac sezs:

I had no intention of denigrating (sp?) you at all Bernie. Sometimes
it's just hard to out-troll the troll that's all. Just had to figure
a way to get under your skin. And now you know what its like someone
taking unfair shots about your language, your past posts, etc,etc.

Bernie, I did not know that you are indeed disabled. From your
reaction, I do now believe you are not just trolling for once, and are
telling the truth. I filtered you out for years so, I must have
missed that part. Maybe I mixed you up with Bertie the Bunion, I
don't know (its hard to keep track of nemisis marauders that like a
bad penny, keep turning up, stirring up hard feelings between
posters.)

Now that I have your attention consider this:

I am sincerely sorry for making fun of your disability. It was a low
shot, but the only way I could think of to verify what your saying.
Now, I regret it. But as a fellow cripple, I felt I could indeed go
that far. I am indeed sorry. Now ask yourself, would BWB appologize
like this? Either way you loose Bernie. If your answer is no, then
I'm not his sock puppet. If your answer is yes, then you were most
certainly wrong about the man.

pacplyer

[Barnyard BOb --]

>> >Welcome to the group, you'll fit in with the rest of the low lifes here.
>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
>> WoW.
>> Speaking for yourself, Ron, or just slumming
>> out of curiosity and amusement?
>>
>> I'd hate to think this is a bit of despicable contempt
>> from a self appointed/annointed higher life form.
>>
>> Barnyard BOb --
>
>C'mon BOb, you know he is right!!!!!!
>
>Warren
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Ever hear of...
the 'right' way to say it.

Don't ax how I know.


Barnyard BOb - Goody Goodies Suck

[Bernie the Bunion]

> pac plyer > wrote:

> Bernie, I did not know that you are indeed disabled.
>
> I am sincerely sorry for making fun of your disability.

Well Pacplyer I can tell you in all honesty that having
anyone make fun of someone's disability is never fun
when your on the receiving end.

But for those on the giving end it always seems like
fun at the time.

> It was a low shot, but the only way I could think of to verify
> what your saying. Now, I regret it.

Don't sweat it, your not the first to make fun of my disability
in this newsgroup and in all likliehood you won't be the last.

> But as a fellow cripple, I felt I could indeed go
> that far.

Pacplyer..... I'm physically handicapped as a result of a surgeons
decision to sacrifice nerve roots to my lower limbs in order to save
my life. I've never considered myself to be a cripple.

And I have never felt the urge to "go that far" based on a
person's physical or mental abilities.

> I am indeed sorry.

I'm sorry that you also suffer from a disability.

Hopefully it does not stop you from enjoying some semblance
of a quality life especially as it pertains to aviation.

My disability unfortunately stopped me from becoming a pilot
dead in my tracks, but it has not stopped me from time to time
sitting in the right seat and getting some stick time.

[Michael Pilla]

"pac plyer" > wrote in message
om...
> >
> > My disability unfortunately stopped me from becoming a pilot
> > dead in my tracks, but it has not stopped me from time to time
> > sitting in the right seat and getting some stick time.
>
> Way to go Bernie. If it's your dream to fly, you'll find a way. I
> have a neighbor down the street who is wheelchair bound. He owns a
> C-150 and flys. He had it converted for no-leg operation. He has a
> wavier on his medical. If you want I'll get his name for you. Not
> sure what the regs are for you in Canada, maybe you could become a
> Canadian wetback every now and then, just for flying purposes.
> (sorry, there's another strike against my character :-) But nothing
> on this earth comes close to soloing an airplane. Not even sex (yes,
> I know, I know, I must be doing it wrong ;-)
>
> My thing is primarily a back thing, and I am facing some very dicey
> surgery with uncertain outcome. I'm in bad pain every day, but that's
> what wiskey is for right? So I'm stalling until I learn more. Doesn't
> sound like my probs are comparible with yours. But keep your chin up.
> Chris Reves is pushing hard for funding for regenerative (if that
> helps.)
>
> Best of luck to you Bernie,
>
> pac "sorta cripple" plyer

I used to instruct for Freedom Wings - group of disabled folks who wanted to
learn to fly gliders.

We had a specially modified glider with a left-hand control that connected
to the left rudder pedal. The pedals were already inter-connected so that
pushing on the control initiated left rudder and pulling on the control
initiated right rudder. This control was right below the conventional
spoiler/wheel brake control. We did have to modify the spoiler control to
provide a detent block to lock in 1/4, 1/2, and 3/4 spoilers.

The students got the hang of it and we were able to get many folks through
the PPL check ride. One of the enterprising chaps received his CFI-G
rating. The student would select the proper amount of spoiler and then fly
the rudder with the left hand. Only when finally on the ground would they
shift their hand to the spoiler to pull full spoiler/brake.

The oddest part was that I could instruct disabled pilots how to fly using
hand controls for rudders, but I was not allowed to fly that way myself.
The FAA insisted on that and used to check our operation from time to time.
I always thought that was a curious way to look at instructing, flying, etc.

I have to admit that these glider folks made better approaches since they
basically had to determine the proper spoiler amount and not pump the handle
as so many able-bodied pilots tend to do. Very smooth, good sight picture
reading, etc. Always a pleasure to fly with them.

Michael Pilla