Garmin 596 at OSH?

[Dan Luke[_2_]]

"Nope. Absolutely not. Guaranteed. No new Garmin aviation portable at Oshkosh.
That ship will not sail."

From one of the Cessna Pilots Ass'n forums. Apparently, Garmin dealers have
been given the word.

--
Dan
T-182T at BFM

[Jon Woellhaf]

Now I'm SURE there will be a new one. <g>

"Dan Luke" > wrote in message
...
> "Nope. Absolutely not. Guaranteed. No new Garmin aviation portable at
> Oshkosh. That ship will not sail."
>
> From one of the Cessna Pilots Ass'n forums. Apparently, Garmin dealers
> have been given the word.
>
> --
> Dan
> T-182T at BFM

[Kobra[_3_]]

I was at S'nF and asked this question. The Garmin rep said, "Nope! No new
596 in '07. "

He left it at that.

Here's my wish list for the 596:

Touch Screen
IAP's
Airways
MEA's
MAP's
Holding tracks
RAIM prediction
Satellite overlay screen (for night engine out safety)



"Dan Luke" > wrote in message
...
> "Nope. Absolutely not. Guaranteed. No new Garmin aviation portable at
> Oshkosh. That ship will not sail."
>
> From one of the Cessna Pilots Ass'n forums. Apparently, Garmin dealers
> have been given the word.
>
> --
> Dan
> T-182T at BFM
>
>

[Doug Vetter]

Kobra wrote:
> I was at S'nF and asked this question. The Garmin rep said, "Nope! No new
> 596 in '07. "
>
> He left it at that.
>
> Here's my wish list for the 596:
>
> Touch Screen
> IAP's
> Airways
> MEA's
> MAP's
> Holding tracks
> RAIM prediction
> Satellite overlay screen (for night engine out safety)

Have to admit my 396 gives me everything (and more) than I need so I
don't see myself ever *NEEDING* to upgrade. But this is coming from
someone who used to fly a C150 with nothing more than a single loc-only
nav comm (no flip-flop) and a transponder under legal IFR. "Equipment
appropriate to the ground facilities used" indeed. Single VOR
intersection holding patterns. Ahhhh...good times.

It will take a list like the one you've mentioned to get me to upgrade.
I suppose the most important to me is airways, as I tire of entering
the entire route on both the 430 and the 396 separately. Airways would
definitely speed up data entry.

The one thing I'm confident Garmin will NOT provide on the portables is
full approaches with holding patterns, etc. They fear the liability
that would result from idiots using the thing to shoot approaches as
primary reference. Stupid, I know...but that's their legal counsel
talking. I seem to recall one moron in a Baron did this a few years ago
(with a 296) and became mountain pizza in the process, so as much as I
disagree with their opinion, their concern is not unjustified.

Not sure what you mean by Satellite overlay screen, but the one feature
I'd definitely like to see with regard to engine out operations is
implementation of the same "cone of safety" feature the Chelton screens
have -- where the terrain data is combined with air data and the area
within your glide path is outlined. Of course the x96's won't have
access to air data for real-time winds aloft calculations, but they
could estimate it based on XM wind data.

-Doug

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Doug Vetter, ATP/CFI

http://www.dvatp.com
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[Robert M. Gary]

On Jul 18, 9:10 pm, "Kobra" > wrote:
> I was at S'nF and asked this question. The Garmin rep said, "Nope! No new
> 596 in '07. "
>
> He left it at that.
>
> Here's my wish list for the 596:
>
> Touch Screen
> IAP's
> Airways
> MEA's
> MAP's

That would be nice but considering that the G1000 and 430 don't have
these I'm not sure if they would be first released in a handheld.

-Robert

[Gig 601XL Builder]

Robert M. Gary wrote:
> On Jul 18, 9:10 pm, "Kobra" > wrote:
>> I was at S'nF and asked this question. The Garmin rep said, "Nope!
>> No new 596 in '07. "
>>
>> He left it at that.
>>
>> Here's my wish list for the 596:
>>
>> Touch Screen
>> IAP's
>> Airways
>> MEA's
>> MAP's
>
> That would be nice but considering that the G1000 and 430 don't have
> these I'm not sure if they would be first released in a handheld.
>
> -Robert

Not a reason at all. To add those features to the G1000 and the 430 you have
to get them certified. To add them to a 596 you just have to tell the
software folks to do it.

There are lots of features on the 496 and even the 396 that aren't on the
430 and G1000.

[Robert M. Gary]

On Jul 19, 1:20 pm, "Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net>
wrote:
> Robert M. Gary wrote:
> > On Jul 18, 9:10 pm, "Kobra" > wrote:
> >> I was at S'nF and asked this question. The Garmin rep said, "Nope!
> >> No new 596 in '07. "
>
> >> He left it at that.
>
> >> Here's my wish list for the 596:
>
> >> Touch Screen
> >> IAP's
> >> Airways
> >> MEA's
> >> MAP's
>
> > That would be nice but considering that the G1000 and 430 don't have
> > these I'm not sure if they would be first released in a handheld.
>
> > -Robert
>
> Not a reason at all. To add those features to the G1000 and the 430 you have
> to get them certified. To add them to a 596 you just have to tell the
> software folks to do it.
>
> There are lots of features on the 496 and even the 396 that aren't on the
> 430 and G1000.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

For generic features I would agree with you, but the features listed
were mostly IFR specific features. I'm not sure that the market for
things like IAPs are very good for handhelds, vs. the 430 where pilots
would pay big bucks to put their approach charts in the back seat and
fly from digital charts.

-robert

[Kobra]

> Not sure what you mean by Satellite overlay screen, but ...

IOW, you could overlay a real satellite image of the terrain around you.
That way at night with an engine out you could bring up the display of the
satellite image below and around you and see that the black area out the
window is a farmer's field and not a bed of granite or unforgiving trees.

> I'd definitely like to see with regard to engine out operations is
> implementation of the same "cone of safety" feature the Chelton screens

If you mean it shows a cone of the ship's best glide range, then YES I will
add that also to my wish list!!

Kobra

[Gig 601XL Builder]

Robert M. Gary wrote:

>> - Show quoted text -
>
> For generic features I would agree with you, but the features listed
> were mostly IFR specific features. I'm not sure that the market for
> things like IAPs are very good for handhelds, vs. the 430 where pilots
> would pay big bucks to put their approach charts in the back seat and
> fly from digital charts.
>
> -robert

You don't think people are out there using 3/496s for IFR situational
awareness now? I know of several pilots that have them and either no other
GPS in the aircraft. They have Nav/Coms, ADFs and DME. But the -96 is there
and they refer to it for SA.

[Gig 601XL Builder]

Kobra wrote:
>> Not sure what you mean by Satellite overlay screen, but ...
>
> IOW, you could overlay a real satellite image of the terrain around
> you. That way at night with an engine out you could bring up the
> display of the satellite image below and around you and see that the
> black area out the window is a farmer's field and not a bed of
> granite or unforgiving trees.
>> I'd definitely like to see with regard to engine out operations is
>> implementation of the same "cone of safety" feature the Chelton
>> screens
>
> If you mean it shows a cone of the ship's best glide range, then YES
> I will add that also to my wish list!!
>
> Kobra

You do know that some of the satellite images available are fairly old?
There is one thing about big empty fields. They get stuff built in them from
time to time.

[Robert M. Gary]

On Jul 20, 6:16 am, "Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net>
wrote:
> Robert M. Gary wrote:
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > For generic features I would agree with you, but the features listed
> > were mostly IFR specific features. I'm not sure that the market for
> > things like IAPs are very good for handhelds, vs. the 430 where pilots
> > would pay big bucks to put their approach charts in the back seat and
> > fly from digital charts.
>
> > -robert
>
> You don't think people are out there using 3/496s for IFR situational
> awareness now? I know of several pilots that have them and either no other
> GPS in the aircraft. They have Nav/Coms, ADFs and DME. But the -96 is there
> and they refer to it for SA.

But would handheld users be willing to pay an extra $1000 or so for
all that stuff. I know in the G1000 and the 430 I fly I certainly
would (just for the IAP alone), but I couldn't imaging paying $1000
for that in my 296.

-Robret

[Gig 601XL Builder]

Robert M. Gary wrote:
> On Jul 20, 6:16 am, "Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net>
> wrote:
>> Robert M. Gary wrote:
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>>> For generic features I would agree with you, but the features listed
>>> were mostly IFR specific features. I'm not sure that the market for
>>> things like IAPs are very good for handhelds, vs. the 430 where
>>> pilots would pay big bucks to put their approach charts in the back
>>> seat and fly from digital charts.
>>
>>> -robert
>>
>> You don't think people are out there using 3/496s for IFR situational
>> awareness now? I know of several pilots that have them and either no
>> other GPS in the aircraft. They have Nav/Coms, ADFs and DME. But the
>> -96 is there and they refer to it for SA.
>
> But would handheld users be willing to pay an extra $1000 or so for
> all that stuff. I know in the G1000 and the 430 I fly I certainly
> would (just for the IAP alone), but I couldn't imaging paying $1000
> for that in my 296.
>
> -Robret

Some would, some wouldn't. There are people right this second choosing to
pay $1000 more for 496 over 396 and the only difference according to the
comparison on the Garmin website are:
3 4
AOPA Airport Directory: no yes
Custom POIs (ability to add additional points of interest): no yes

Jeppesen database coverage areas: Americas
Americas or Atlantic International

Preloaded maps: no yes

Smart Airspace Feature (generates and displays altitude-sensitive
alerts): no yes
SafeTaxiT airport diagrams: no yes


Why they don't mention the 5 times faster refresh rate on the 496 I don't
know. But other than that the above is the only differnece in the two that I
know of.


I don't know that there is any reason that the addition of those items would
cost $1000. Hardware wise it would just be a matter of needing more memory
and probably a faster processor. Though I'd be willing to bet that the
memory and processor needed for the added features would cost less today
than the current processors did when the 496 first released. With the way
chip costs drop over time I'd bet that Garmin makes a not insignificant more
on a 496 now than it did when it first came out.

[Jerry]

The 496 airport database includes private airports which is
great if you like grass strips.

Jerry in NC

"Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net> wrote in
message ...
> Robert M. Gary wrote:
>> On Jul 20, 6:16 am, "Gig 601XL Builder"
>> <wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>> Robert M. Gary wrote:
>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>
>>>> For generic features I would agree with you, but the
>>>> features listed
>>>> were mostly IFR specific features. I'm not sure that
>>>> the market for
>>>> things like IAPs are very good for handhelds, vs. the
>>>> 430 where
>>>> pilots would pay big bucks to put their approach charts
>>>> in the back
>>>> seat and fly from digital charts.
>>>
>>>> -robert
>>>
>>> You don't think people are out there using 3/496s for
>>> IFR situational
>>> awareness now? I know of several pilots that have them
>>> and either no
>>> other GPS in the aircraft. They have Nav/Coms, ADFs and
>>> DME. But the
>>> -96 is there and they refer to it for SA.
>>
>> But would handheld users be willing to pay an extra $1000
>> or so for
>> all that stuff. I know in the G1000 and the 430 I fly I
>> certainly
>> would (just for the IAP alone), but I couldn't imaging
>> paying $1000
>> for that in my 296.
>>
>> -Robret
>
> Some would, some wouldn't. There are people right this
> second choosing to pay $1000 more for 496 over 396 and the
> only difference according to the comparison on the Garmin
> website are:
>
> 3 4
> AOPA Airport Directory: no yes
> Custom POIs (ability to add additional points of
> interest): no yes
>
> Jeppesen database coverage areas:
> Americas Americas or Atlantic International
>
> Preloaded maps:
> no yes
>
> Smart Airspace Feature (generates and displays
> altitude-sensitive alerts): no yes
> SafeTaxiT airport diagrams: no yes
>
>
> Why they don't mention the 5 times faster refresh rate on
> the 496 I don't know. But other than that the above is the
> only differnece in the two that I know of.
>
>
> I don't know that there is any reason that the addition of
> those items would cost $1000. Hardware wise it would just
> be a matter of needing more memory and probably a faster
> processor. Though I'd be willing to bet that the memory
> and processor needed for the added features would cost
> less today than the current processors did when the 496
> first released. With the way chip costs drop over time I'd
> bet that Garmin makes a not insignificant more on a 496
> now than it did when it first came out.
>

[Andrew Gideon]

On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:14:43 -0500, Gig 601XL Builder wrote:

> Why they don't mention the 5 times faster refresh rate on the 496 I don't
> know.

That is odd. That refresh rate - and its impact upon the pseudo-panel -
would be worth the $1000 to me (whereas the other "extra" features aren't).

But I'm still hoping to hear/read of people comparing the 496 to the
Cheetah FL 190. I'm trying to decide which to buy, and I'm stuck not
being able to compare them myself.

Perhaps some friendly OSH visitor?

Otherwise, perhaps I'll visit the AOPA Expo floor...but that's months away.

- Andrew