Houston, You Have a Problem

[Danny Deger]

You can download a draft of my book, "Houston, You Have a Problem" from
www.dannydeger.net. You can also get a copy of my shuttle entry simulation,
Deger Dots from the site. Enjoy.

--
Danny Deger

[Danny Deger]

"Danny Deger" > wrote in message
...
> You can download a draft of my book, "Houston, You Have a Problem" from
> www.dannydeger.net. You can also get a copy of my shuttle entry
> simulation, Deger Dots from the site. Enjoy.

I just got feedback I should pull my book because I tell such a good tale,
the government might do something nasty to me. I don't think so, but I
found it an indication my book struck a coard with at least one person.

Danny Deger

[Derek Lyons]

"Danny Deger" > wrote:

>"Danny Deger" > wrote in message
...
>> You can download a draft of my book, "Houston, You Have a Problem" from
>> www.dannydeger.net. You can also get a copy of my shuttle entry
>> simulation, Deger Dots from the site. Enjoy.
>
>I just got feedback I should pull my book because I tell such a good tale,
>the government might do something nasty to me.

ROTFLMAO.

>I don't think so, but I found it an indication my book struck a coard with
>at least one person.

Yah. But the tinfoil hat and black helicopter crowd is hardly one I'd
look to for validation.

Oh, wait - you _want_ that kind of validation, because it supports
your "persecuted steely eyed Hero" self image.

D.
--
Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh.

-Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings.
Oct 5th, 2004 JDL

[Danny Deger]

snip

>
> Yah. But the tinfoil hat and black helicopter crowd is hardly one I'd
> look to for validation.
>

I missed the tinfoil hat belief. What is it?

Danny Deger

[Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)]

"Danny Deger" > wrote in message
...
> snip
>
>>
>> Yah. But the tinfoil hat and black helicopter crowd is hardly one I'd
>> look to for validation.
>>
>
> I missed the tinfoil hat belief. What is it?
>

You mean you don't wear a tinfoil hat to keep the government mind control
rays away from you?


> Danny Deger



--
Greg Moore
SQL Server DBA Consulting Remote and Onsite available!
Email: sql (at) greenms.com http://www.greenms.com/sqlserver.html

[Danny Deger]

"Greg D. Moore (Strider)" > wrote in message
nk.net...
> "Danny Deger" > wrote in message
> ...
>> snip
>>
>>>
>>> Yah. But the tinfoil hat and black helicopter crowd is hardly one I'd
>>> look to for validation.
>>>
>>
>> I missed the tinfoil hat belief. What is it?
>>
>
> You mean you don't wear a tinfoil hat to keep the government mind control
> rays away from you?
>

Oh that. I bought a special hat off the internet that counters the
government mind rays with its own gamma rays. It cost a lot, but well worth
it :-)

Danny Deger

[Brian Thorn[_2_]]

On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:14:08 -0500, "Danny Deger"
> wrote:

>I just got feedback I should pull my book because I tell such a good tale,
>the government might do something nasty to me.

With all due respect, NASA simply isn't that prominent on the
"government's" radar. Therefore, your war stories are almost certainly
unimportant to the Cheney Administration.

>I don't think so, but I
>found it an indication my book struck a coard with at least one person.

Be advised that we do attract quite a few kooks here.

First, due to "space" being the medium "Unidentified Flying Objects"
must transit from their home planet in order to attack (almost always
sleepy or tipsy) people and probe their rectums on lonely country
roads in the middle of the night, we get the crowd for whom "The X
Files" is hopelessly confused with real life.

And then there is the "If only government would get out of the way,
we'd have cities on Mars by now" crowd, for whom anything negative
written about NASA is instantly praised, regardless of the quality or
authenticity of its claims.

Next, there are the "it's all one big conspiracy, going all the way
back to the Kennedy assasination" twits lurking in the corners, for
whom anything written negative about the government (no matter which
part of the government) is greeted by warnings like, "uh oh, you've
done it now... their gonna be paying you a visit to silence you."
These people paying the visits seem to wear black a lot and
occasionally arrive in black helicopters (that this makes them stand
out in a crowd - the opposite of what you'd do trying to keep things
quiet - has not been adequately explained by the True Believers.)

Lastly, there are the knowledgable but delusional disbelievers, who
write clearly and passionately about their very strange notions of the
truth behind major space events. The most notable of this subset of
kooks is the man (whose name I shall not invoke) who insists
Challenger was destroyed not by a leaky o-ring but due to cold-soaking
from a leaky ET, as if this is better than the "cover story" of the
field joint failure. We have also seen the son of a deceased astronaut
who swears his father was killed deliberately by NASA, and not in an
accident. (I think I can hear your jaw dropping about that one.)

So, be careful when trumpeting that someone online thinks your book is
great. I haven't read it, it might be great. But online you're certain
to find someone who thinks Mariah Carey's "Glitter" was a great movie,
too.

Brian

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Danny Deger" > wrote in message
...
>
> I just got feedback I should pull my book because I tell such a good tale,
> the government might do something nasty to me. I don't think so, but I
> found it an indication my book struck a coard with at least one person.
>

What's a coard?

[Anopheles]

"Steven P. McNicoll" > wrote in message
link.net...
>
> "Danny Deger" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> I just got feedback I should pull my book because I tell such a good
>> tale,
>> the government might do something nasty to me. I don't think so, but I
>> found it an indication my book struck a coard with at least one person.
>>
>
> What's a coard?
>

General agreement

[Tina]

On Jul 21, 7:45 am, "Steven P. McNicoll" >
wrote:
> "Danny Deger" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
> > I just got feedback I should pull my book because I tell such a good tale,
> > the government might do something nasty to me. I don't think so, but I
> > found it an indication my book struck a coard with at least one person.
>
> What's a coard?

Being in agreement with?

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, "Steven P. McNicoll" > said:
>"Danny Deger" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> I just got feedback I should pull my book because I tell such a good tale,
>> the government might do something nasty to me. I don't think so, but I
>> found it an indication my book struck a coard with at least one person.
>>
>
>What's a coard?

It's how a writer tells you he really, really, really needs an editor.



--
Paul Tomblin > http://blog.xcski.com/
<<<You've got to love a newsreader with a menu option named "Kill this Author".
<<Does it work? And if so, is the death traceable?
<Nah, but Dave the Resurrector will just bring 'em back again.

[Tina]

By implication Anopheles, you, and I are in a coard on the editor
observation, although I would not like my own postings scanned two
carefully for korrect spelling and usage.

Tina.

On Jul 21, 9:16 am, (Paul Tomblin) wrote:
> In a previous article, "Steven P. McNicoll" > said:
>
> >"Danny Deger" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> >> I just got feedback I should pull my book because I tell such a good tale,
> >> the government might do something nasty to me. I don't think so, but I
> >> found it an indication my book struck a coard with at least one person.
>
> >What's a coard?
>
> It's how a writer tells you he really, really, really needs an editor.
>
> --
> Paul Tomblin /
> <<<You've got to love a newsreader with a menu option named "Kill this Author".
> <<Does it work? And if so, is the death traceable?
> <Nah, but Dave the Resurrector will just bring 'em back again.

[[email protected]]

>From Paul Tomblin:
> In a previous article, "Steven P. McNicoll" > said:
>
> >"Danny Deger" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> >> I just got feedback I should pull my book because I tell such a good tale,
> >> the government might do something nasty to me. I don't think so, but I
> >> found it an indication my book struck a coard with at least one person.
>
> >What's a coard?
>
> It's how a writer tells you he really, really, really needs an editor.

Finding many of these types of errors in the given text does make a
definite statement about credibility, particularly when presenting
oneself as a straight-A student.


~ CT

[Danny Deger]

"Steven P. McNicoll" > wrote in message
link.net...
>
> "Danny Deger" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> I just got feedback I should pull my book because I tell such a good
>> tale,
>> the government might do something nasty to me. I don't think so, but I
>> found it an indication my book struck a coard with at least one person.
>>
>
> What's a coard?
>
>

It should have been chord and it is "an individual emotion or disposition
<struck a responsive chord>"

Danny Deger
>

[Danny Deger]

> wrote in message
ups.com...
snip

> Finding many of these types of errors in the given text does make a
> definite statement about credibility, particularly when presenting
> oneself as a straight-A student.
>

Give me a brake. I was a straight-A engineering student, not a straight-A
English student :-)

Don't you know that engineering ability is inversly proportional to spelling
ability?

Danny Deger
www.dannydeger.net

[Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)]

"Danny Deger" > wrote in message
...
> > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> snip
>
>> Finding many of these types of errors in the given text does make a
>> definite statement about credibility, particularly when presenting
>> oneself as a straight-A student.
>>
>
> Give me a brake.

Why is one of the ones on your car broken?

> I was a straight-A engineering student, not a straight-A English student
> :-)
>
> Don't you know that engineering ability is inversly proportional to
> spelling ability?

Actually no. I've typically found that the better engineers are also the
most literate.


>
> Danny Deger
> www.dannydeger.net
>

--
Greg Moore
SQL Server DBA Consulting Remote and Onsite available!
Email: sql (at) greenms.com http://www.greenms.com/sqlserver.html

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Greg D. Moore (Strider)" > wrote
>
> Why is one of the ones on your car broken?

You would think an engineer would know what the mechanical system of a car
is called, wouldn't you? <g>
--
Jim in NC

[Danny Deger]

"Greg D. Moore (Strider)" > wrote in message
link.net...
> "Danny Deger" > wrote in message
> ...
>> > wrote in message
>> ups.com...
>> snip
>>
>>> Finding many of these types of errors in the given text does make a
>>> definite statement about credibility, particularly when presenting
>>> oneself as a straight-A student.
>>>
>>
>> Give me a brake.
>
> Why is one of the ones on your car broken?

Good one.

Like I said. I am an engineer. Fortunetely I don't have to earn a living
by remembering the difference between brake and break. If I did, I would
starve to death :-)

Danny Deger

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Danny Deger" > wrote in message
...
>
> Don't you know that engineering ability is inversly proportional to
> spelling ability?
>

Actually, it's just the opposite.

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Danny Deger" > wrote in message
...
>
> Like I said. I am an engineer. Fortunetely I don't have to earn a living
> by remembering the difference between brake and break. If I did, I would
> starve to death :-)
>

Are you able to earn a living as an engineer?

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Danny Deger" > wrote in message
...
>
> It should have been chord and it is "an individual emotion or disposition
> <struck a responsive chord>"
>

Why wasn't it chord?

[Danny Deger]

"Steven P. McNicoll" > wrote in message
link.net...
>
> "Danny Deger" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> Like I said. I am an engineer. Fortunetely I don't have to earn a
>> living by remembering the difference between brake and break. If I did,
>> I would starve to death :-)
>>
>
> Are you able to earn a living as an engineer?

I am starting a new career teaching pysics at a local college.

Danny Deger

[Danny Deger]

"Steven P. McNicoll" > wrote in message
link.net...
>
> "Danny Deger" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> Don't you know that engineering ability is inversly proportional to
>> spelling ability?
>>
>
> Actually, it's just the opposite.

Lighten up guys. This is just an old joke. Do I need to post copies of the
transcripts??

Danny Deger
>
>

[Pensandpad]

On Jul 21, 1:57 pm, "Steven P. McNicoll" >
wrote:
> "Danny Deger" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
> > It should have been chord and it is "an individual emotion or disposition
> > <struck a responsive chord>"
>
> Why wasn't it chord?

Yep, Danny, you got something here. You can tell by the ones who
don't. You already have followers. Can't call you a liar, you have
the docs.

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Danny Deger" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> Are you able to earn a living as an engineer?
>>
>
> I am starting a new career teaching pysics at a local college.
>

I'll take that as a "No."

What's pysics?

[Danny Deger]

"Steven P. McNicoll" > wrote in message
link.net...
>
> "Danny Deger" > wrote in message
> ...
>>>
>>> Are you able to earn a living as an engineer?
>>>
>>
>> I am starting a new career teaching pysics at a local college.
>>
>
> I'll take that as a "No."

So OK -- I can teach college physics and that is a sign I can not do
engineering work ??? As my 12 daughter says -- WHATEVER!!! (Image eyes
rolling up as this is spoken :-)

>
> What's pysics?

Eye really due need to get my spel cheker fixxed :-)

Danny Deger

P.S. You can find a copy of my transcripts at
http://www.dannydeger.net/Documents/Transcripts.pdf

I will wait for you to post yours for comparison :-) Take care. Life is
too short to not enjoy it to its fullest.

[[email protected]]

>From Danny Dot:
> Eye really due need to get my spel cheker fixxed :-)

GoogleGroups on Firefox is one excellent solution.


~ CT

[Danny Deger]

> wrote in message
ups.com...
> >From Danny Dot:
>> Eye really due need to get my spel cheker fixxed :-)
>
> GoogleGroups on Firefox is one excellent solution.
>

Thanks. I may just try that. I am thinking about moving to a web based
newsgroup client anyway. This way I can work from any computer. I have
currently using hotmail for email for this reason.

Danny Deger

[B A R R Y]

I don't know why some feel the need to pick on spelling and grammar.

I've known brilliant programmers and engineers who typed like crap,
making many spelling errors in a conversational email. I've also met
superior managers who could barely retrieve email, and needed printed
reports delivered to their desks. All of these examples could do
what they really needed to do, very, very well.

If you want to nitpick the guy's message, fine... But he qualified to
fly F-4's, did serious work for an important defense contractor, and
worked as a NASA engineer. I work with a guy who commanded two
nuclear ICBM subs, has undergraduate and graduate degrees in physics,
nuclear engineering (Naval Academy), and math, and designed towed
arrays as a civilian. I need a "decoder ring" to read his email!

Lots of really fine engineering types dreamed of far more interesting
things through English class...

[Danny Deger]

"Pensandpad" > wrote in message
oups.com...
snip

> Yep, Danny, you got something here. You can tell by the ones who
> don't. You already have followers. Can't call you a liar, you have
> the docs.
>

Do you mean these two that document NASA officials lied to have me locked up
and worked with a local judge to deny me my hearing?

http://dannydeger.net/Documents/Reese%20Lying%20to%20Doctors.pdf
http://dannydeger.net/Documents/Reese%20Lying%20to%20Doctors.pdf

People on this site are more concerned if you make typing errors in your
posts :-)

Danny Deger

[[email protected]]

On Jul 21, 6:29 pm, B A R R Y > wrote:
> I don't know why some feel the need to pick on spelling and grammar.
>

I take this as a sign my story, complete with documentation is
strong. They can't pick on the story, so they pick on the typos and
such.

Danny Deger
www.dannydeger.net

[Danny Deger]

"Danny Deger" > wrote in message
...
> > wrote in message
> ups.com...
>> >From Danny Dot:
>>> Eye really due need to get my spel cheker fixxed :-)
>>
>> GoogleGroups on Firefox is one excellent solution.
>>
>
> Thanks. I may just try that. I am thinking about moving to a web based
> newsgroup client anyway. This way I can work from any computer. I have
> currently using hotmail for email for this reason.
>
> Danny Deger
>

I better correct my typo before I am flamed again. Please change to phrase
"I have..." to "I am..."

I must admit I don't proof read as much as I used to. I have been posting
some at nasaspaceflight.com -- and there you can edit your posts. Very nice
to fix the small mistakes us brilliant engineers tend to make :-)

Danny Deger

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Danny Deger" > wrote in message
...
>
> So OK -- I can teach college physics and that is a sign I can not do
> engineering work ??? As my 12 daughter says -- WHATEVER!!! (Image eyes
> rolling up as this is spoken :-)
>

We don't know that you can teach college physics.

[Steven P. McNicoll]

> wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> I take this as a sign my story, complete with documentation is
> strong. They can't pick on the story, so they pick on the typos and
> such.
>

I read some of your story. I concluded you were wacko.

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Danny Deger" > wrote
>
> So OK -- I can teach college physics and that is a sign I can not do
> engineering work ??? As my 12 daughter says -- WHATEVER!!! (Image eyes
> rolling up as this is spoken :-)

So why are you not doing engineering? You can make a hell of a lot more
money, and I will assure you, that you will get to HATE the attitudes of the
kids and the system (of education) REAL quickly.

Mark my words, you will get sick of teaching. Don't put too many years in,
and have too much wrapped up in the pension program, so that you are trapped
and can't leave.
--
Jim in NC

[Morgans[_2_]]

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> On Jul 21, 6:29 pm, B A R R Y > wrote:
>> I don't know why some feel the need to pick on spelling and grammar.
>>
>
> I take this as a sign my story, complete with documentation is
> strong. They can't pick on the story, so they pick on the typos and
> such.

Kid yourself as you feel you need to. I say bull****.

Yea, everyone will make a few mistakes that they do not catch. No problem,
with me.

To continually butcher every post shows a lack of attention to detail, or
that you do not take the postings seriously-at all.

Either way, it shows me that what you have *to say* may be just as lacking
in accuracy, or correct to the details as what you posted, OR what you are
saying is not important to you- so why should it be important to me? As far
as that goes, why should I take the time to read it, if you consider what
you have to say to be so unimportant? If you don't consider it important,
who will? You might as well not post.
--
Jim in NC

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Danny Deger" > wrote

> People on this site are more concerned if you make typing errors in your
> posts :-)

Keep on joking about it.

Nobody will take you seriously, no mater what you post.
--
Jim in NC

[Danny Deger]

On Jul 21, 6:56 pm, "Steven P. McNicoll" >
wrote:
> > wrote in message
>
> oups.com...
>
>
>
> > I take this as a sign my story, complete with documentation is
> > strong. They can't pick on the story, so they pick on the typos and
> > such.
>
> I read some of your story. I concluded you were wacko.

And the best you can do is pick on my spelling and my typos? You can
do better than that.

Why don't you attempt to pick on my documents that confirm gross
misconduct on the part of NASA management? They are posted for you to
look at.

Danny Deger
www.dannydeger.net

[Danny Deger]

On Jul 21, 6:54 pm, "Steven P. McNicoll" >
wrote:
> "Danny Deger" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
> > So OK -- I can teach college physics and that is a sign I can not do
> > engineering work ??? As my 12 daughter says -- WHATEVER!!! (Image eyes
> > rolling up as this is spoken :-)
>
> We don't know that you can teach college physics.

Have you looked at my transcript yet? I am waiting for you to post
yours.

Danny Deger
www.dannydeger.net

[[email protected]]

>From Danny Dot:
> On Jul 21, 6:29 pm, B A R R Y > wrote:
>
> > I don't know why some feel the need to pick on spelling and grammar.
>
> I take this as a sign my story, complete with documentation is
> strong. They can't pick on the story, so they pick on the typos and
> such.

My very first response gave specific feedback about failure to take
accountability for personal decisions. There was a lot that I held
back on (including spelling and grammar feedback), hoping that one
clear cut example would serve as a touchstone for not only the rest of
the paper, but your very attitude toward life.

But since that feedback has been ram dumped within a matter of hours,
it appears that my time and effort that I invested toward helping
there has had a negligible return.


~ CT

[Jim Logajan]

"Danny Deger" > wrote:
> P.S. You can find a copy of my transcripts at
> http://www.dannydeger.net/Documents/Transcripts.pdf

I can see how taking "History of Witchcraft" would come in handy for
engineering work. :-)

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Danny Deger" > wrote

> Have you looked at my transcript yet? I am waiting for you to post
> yours.

You can not tell ONE SINGLE THING about your ability to teach from a
transcript.

Do you understand that? Do you agree with that?

If you did not answer yes to both of those questions, you will most likely
be a ****ty (very ****ty) teacher.

I've seen too many people come in to education as very well educated and
experienced in their fields, thinking that teaching will not be a problem,
and will be easy, and fall flat on their ass.

Humility would go a long way, here.

I predict you have none.
--
Jim in NC

[Danny Deger]

On Jul 21, 7:20 pm, wrote:
> >From Danny Dot:
> > On Jul 21, 6:29 pm, B A R R Y > wrote:
>
> > > I don't know why some feel the need to pick on spelling and grammar.
>
> > I take this as a sign my story, complete with documentation is
> > strong. They can't pick on the story, so they pick on the typos and
> > such.
>
> My very first response gave specific feedback about failure to take
> accountability for personal decisions. There was a lot that I held
> back on (including spelling and grammar feedback), hoping that one
> clear cut example would serve as a touchstone for not only the rest of
> the paper, but your very attitude toward life.
>

Last I checked, it was NASA officials that lied to the local officials
to have me locked up. Please explain how I am accountable for them
lying? Are you saying I decided to have them lie?

Take a stab at them working with a local judge to deny me my due
process for a hearing or an attorney. I missed the part where you
explained my part in this was. Please refresh my memory.

Don't forget the recent abuse of NASA sick leave policy I have
provided documentation of. Please explain how I am accountable for
that.

Danny Deger
www.dannydeger.net

[Danny Deger]

On Jul 21, 7:24 pm, Jim Logajan > wrote:
> "Danny Deger" > wrote:
> > P.S. You can find a copy of my transcripts at
> >http://www.dannydeger.net/Documents/Transcripts.pdf
>
> I can see how taking "History of Witchcraft" would come in handy for
> engineering work. :-)

It really was a good class. Great instructor. I learned the correct
answer to this question, "How many accused witches were burned at the
Salem witch trails?" Anybody know how many?

Danny Deger

[Danny Deger]

On Jul 21, 7:28 pm, "Morgans" > wrote:
snip

> Humility would go a long way, here.
>
> I predict you have none.
> --

But I am the humblest person I have ever met.

Danny Deger

I was an astronaut instructor for 5 years and got rave performance
evaluations. Maybe I will scan them and post them for you.

[B A R R Y]

On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 20:07:02 -0400, "Morgans"
> wrote:


> So why are you not doing engineering? You can make a hell of a lot more
>money,

It's funny you say that. My co-owner's wife (acft content) works for
the fundraising foundation of a large university, and teaching
engineering pays rather well these days. The US seems to be in a
business mode of "hire engineer, develop product, fire engineer,
repeat..." that makes teaching lucrative.

I was shocked at what some engineering professors make!

[Danny Deger]

On Jul 21, 7:15 pm, "Morgans" > wrote:
snip

>You might as well not post.
> --
> Jim in NC

You might as well not read. Tell me what newsgroup reader you are
using and will tell you how to use killfile.

Danny Deger

P.S. I am waiting for a single statement on the fact NASA abused
their power in 1999 in having me locked up and abused their power last
year in me just getting a little sick leave. Isn't this more
important to post on than the using "brake" instead of "break" or
leaving the "h" out of the word "physics". I am making some strong
accusations here folks and have the documentation to back up my
claims. How about someone disputing the documents I present with some
factual basis of their own?

[Jim Logajan]

"Morgans" > wrote:
> Humility would go a long way, here.

That statement in conjunction with the remainder of your post appears to me
to be an amazing (and amusing) self-referential indictment. You write a
series of unqualified statements dripping with certainty and hubris and
follow them with a direction to another to practice humility. That is so...
so... typical of Usenet. :-)

Frankly, I think the world would be better if everyone engaged in humble
hubris. Or is it hubric humility? Drat - it's so humilating to be unable to
articulate my meaning.

[Danny Deger]

On Jul 21, 7:28 pm, "Morgans" > wrote:
> "Danny Deger" > wrote
>
> > Have you looked at my transcript yet? I am waiting for you to post
> > yours.
>
> You can not tell ONE SINGLE THING about your ability to teach from a
> transcript.
>
snip

Not one single thing can be told from a transcript? I will grant you
the whole story is not in a transcript, but not ONE SINGLE THING.
Give me a break. I am getting sick.

Danny Deger
www.dannydeger.net

[Derek Lyons]

"Danny Deger" > wrote:

> wrote in message
ups.com...
>> >From Danny Dot:
>>> Eye really due need to get my spel cheker fixxed :-)
>>
>> GoogleGroups on Firefox is one excellent solution.
>>
>
>Thanks. I may just try that. I am thinking about moving to a web based
>newsgroup client anyway. This way I can work from any computer. I have
>currently using hotmail for email for this reason.

Hell, I'm using a version of Agent that's a decade old, and it has a
spell checker. I suspect the problem isn't the tool, but the
operator.

D.
--
Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh.

-Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings.
Oct 5th, 2004 JDL

[Derek Lyons]

Danny Deger > wrote:

>On Jul 21, 7:28 pm, "Morgans" > wrote:
>> "Danny Deger" > wrote
>>
>> > Have you looked at my transcript yet? I am waiting for you to post
>> > yours.
>>
>> You can not tell ONE SINGLE THING about your ability to teach from a
>> transcript.
>>
>snip
>
>Not one single thing can be told from a transcript? I will grant you
>the whole story is not in a transcript, but not ONE SINGLE THING.
>Give me a break. I am getting sick.

Learn to ****ing read.

He didn't say "nothing can be told" he said "nothing can be told about
your ability to teach".

As I said a moment ago, the problem here is operator error - failure
to engage the brain.

D.
--
Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh.

-Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings.
Oct 5th, 2004 JDL

[Derek Lyons]

B A R R Y > wrote:

>
>I don't know why some feel the need to pick on spelling and grammar.
>
>I've known brilliant programmers and engineers who typed like crap,
>making many spelling errors in a conversational email. I've also met
>superior managers who could barely retrieve email, and needed printed
>reports delivered to their desks. All of these examples could do
>what they really needed to do, very, very well.
>
>If you want to nitpick the guy's message, fine... But he qualified to
>fly F-4's, did serious work for an important defense contractor, and
>worked as a NASA engineer. I work with a guy who commanded two
>nuclear ICBM subs, has undergraduate and graduate degrees in physics,
>nuclear engineering (Naval Academy), and math, and designed towed
>arrays as a civilian. I need a "decoder ring" to read his email!

One can always find exceptions that prove the rule.

We nitpick his message because his failures in communication here to
point out the failures in the larger message he's trying to sell.
It's all part of the same pattern.

D.
--
Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh.

-Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings.
Oct 5th, 2004 JDL

[Derek Lyons]

wrote:

>On Jul 21, 6:29 pm, B A R R Y > wrote:
>> I don't know why some feel the need to pick on spelling and grammar.
>>
>
>I take this as a sign my story, complete with documentation is
>strong. They can't pick on the story, so they pick on the typos and
>such.

ROTFLMAO.
--
Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh.

-Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings.
Oct 5th, 2004 JDL

[Derek Lyons]

Danny Deger > wrote:

>On Jul 21, 7:15 pm, "Morgans" > wrote:
>snip
>
>>You might as well not post.
>> --
>> Jim in NC
>
>You might as well not read. Tell me what newsgroup reader you are
>using and will tell you how to use killfile.
>
>Danny Deger
>
>P.S. I am waiting for a single statement on the fact NASA abused
>their power in 1999 in having me locked up and abused their power last
>year in me just getting a little sick leave.

Mostly because the documents you've posted don't support a claim of
'abuse of power'.

For example, letters 1-3 show them requesting that you document your
need for sick leave... Hardly abusive. They also show you as
continually failing to provide such documentation and failing to make
yourself available to discuss the issue.

That same pattern is repeated again and again, "those documents do not
seem to mean what you think they do".

D.
--
Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh.

-Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings.
Oct 5th, 2004 JDL

[Danny Deger]

On Jul 21, 8:42 pm, (Derek Lyons) wrote:
> "Danny Deger" > wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> >> >From Danny Dot:
> >>> Eye really due need to get my spel cheker fixxed :-)
>
> >> GoogleGroups on Firefox is one excellent solution.
>
> >Thanks. I may just try that. I am thinking about moving to a web based
> >newsgroup client anyway. This way I can work from any computer. I have
> >currently using hotmail for email for this reason.
>
> Hell, I'm using a version of Agent that's a decade old, and it has a
> spell checker. I suspect the problem isn't the tool, but the
> operator.
>
> D.

I was using the replacement to Outlook Express that comes with Vista.
Microsoft calls it simply "mail". I can type a post with bad spelling
and do a spell check and it does find the mistake. Thank you
Microsoft for improving on Outlook Express :-) I am switching to
Google Groups at this time. It has been years since I tried it the
first time and didn't like. So far I like the new version.

Danny Deger

[Danny Deger]

On Jul 21, 8:58 pm, (Derek Lyons) wrote:
> Danny Deger > wrote:
> >On Jul 21, 7:15 pm, "Morgans" > wrote:
> >snip
>
> >>You might as well not post.
> >> --
> >> Jim in NC
>
> >You might as well not read. Tell me what newsgroup reader you are
> >using and will tell you how to use killfile.
>
> >Danny Deger
>
> >P.S. I am waiting for a single statement on the fact NASA abused
> >their power in 1999 in having me locked up and abused their power last
> >year in me just getting a little sick leave.
>
> Mostly because the documents you've posted don't support a claim of
> 'abuse of power'.

Lying to local officials to have a person illegally locked up and
working with a local judge to have the person denied due process is
not an claim of 'abuse of power'. What in the heck is a claim of an
abuse to you then. I will grant you what I went through to get sick
leave is not as big a deal in comparison, but the these two
allegations are without a doubt claims of abuse of power. Please make
a comment on the how the documents I present support or don't support
these two allegations. Do I not have one document that proves NASA
officials claimed I had "terrorized all of NASA by threatening to come
to their home and injure them and their families if they don't all
resign" -- followed by a detailed description by my management of my
actual behavior that covers the time period in question -- with NO
mention of these horrible threats. Please explain the discrepancy
between these two documents?

>
> For example, letters 1-3 show them requesting that you document your
> need for sick leave... Hardly abusive. They also show you as
> continually failing to provide such documentation and failing to make
> yourself available to discuss the issue.
>

Finally a matter of fact on the documents. Thank you.

Can you explain the difference between the simple written sick leave
policy that I posted on my website and the contents of letters 1-3?

And the reason I missed the first phone in meeting is because she sent
me an email about 2 hours before the meeting and I didn't check my
mail in that time period? After that, I did not miss any phone in
meetings. I also find it unusual that a person on sick leave is
required to have a phone in meeting once a week to maintain sick leave
status. My doctor was also late on sending a fax in.

On letter 1-3, what do you suppose the answer to the question, "Are
you stable?" needs to be to get sick leave? Are only unstable people
given sick leave? If I am stable is this an indication I am not sick
enough to warrant sick leave? Obviously the question has nothing to
do with getting or not getting sick leave. The actual answer is a
moot point. Unstable people get sick leave and unstable people get
sick leave. It was and is a ridiculous question. I will grant you
though, asking the question is not clearly an abuse of power. It is,
however, a violation of my right to privacy.

How about being required to sign a general release between HR and my
doctor to get sick leave. Then, an the HR representative telling my
doctor she is a health professional, and stating to my doctor her
opinion of my medical condition? What the heck does this have to with
my sick leave? Is it OK for HR reps to tell an employee's doctor
they are a medical professional? Again maybe not an abuse of power,
but certainly not an ethical practice.

But I do thank you for bringing up a matter of fact on my
documentation. I hope I don't have a typo in this note which will
result in thread drift to my not very good typing skills :-) I even
vote we drop the subject of my recent sick leave policy actions. Lets
keep the thread on the topic of lying to local officials and working
with judges to deny due process. Any takers on these two subjects?
Are there holes in my documents?

Danny Deger
www.dannydeger.net

[Danny Deger]

On Jul 21, 8:51 pm, (Derek Lyons) wrote:
snip

> We nitpick his message because his failures in communication here to
> point out the failures in the larger message he's trying to sell.
> It's all part of the same pattern.

OK. I used the word "brake" instead of "break" and left the "h" out
of "physics" and this points out a failure in the larger message of
NASA lying to local officials to have me locked up and working with a
local judge to have my due process denied??? I can't believe I just
read this.

I will repeat my earlier response -- WHATEVER!!! (picture 12 year old
daughter rolling her eyes into her head.)

Danny Deger
www.dannydeger.net

[Danny Deger]

On Jul 21, 8:46 pm, (Derek Lyons) wrote:
> Danny Deger > wrote:
> >On Jul 21, 7:28 pm, "Morgans" > wrote:
> >> "Danny Deger" > wrote
>
> >> > Have you looked at my transcript yet? I am waiting for you to post
> >> > yours.
>
> >> You can not tell ONE SINGLE THING about your ability to teach from a
> >> transcript.
>
> >snip
>
> >Not one single thing can be told from a transcript? I will grant you
> >the whole story is not in a transcript, but not ONE SINGLE THING.
> >Give me a break. I am getting sick.
>
> Learn to ****ing read.
>
> He didn't say "nothing can be told" he said "nothing can be told about
> your ability to teach".
>
> As I said a moment ago, the problem here is operator error - failure
> to engage the brain.
>
> D.
> --
> Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh.
>
> -Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings.
> Oct 5th, 2004 JDL

I did read the post, and I stand by the statement it is ridiculous to
state a single thing about teaching ability can not be gleaned from a
transcript. Intelligence and education are necessary to be a teacher
and those traits show up on a transcript.

Danny Deger

[Danny Deger]

On Jul 21, 10:00 pm, Danny Deger > wrote:
snip
> doctor to get sick leave. Then, an the HR representative telling my

I better fix this before we get thread drift to my bad typing skills.
The above should read,
"> doctor to get sick leave. Then, the HR representative telling my"

Sorry for the mistake. Let's keep the thread on topic.

Danny Deger

[Alan Walkington]

On Jul 21, 5:48 am, "Anopheles" > wrote:
> "Steven P. McNicoll" > wrote in s.earthlink.net...
>
>
>
> > "Danny Deger" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> >> I just got feedback I should pull my book because I tell such a good
> >> tale,
> >> the government might do something nasty to me. I don't think so, but I
> >> found it an indication my book struck a coard with at least one person.
>
> > What's a coard?
>
> General agreement

Does it matter? Aren't they hanging him in the morning?
Alan

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Danny Deger" > wrote in message
ps.com...
>
> And the best you can do is pick on my spelling and my typos? You can
> do better than that.
>

For what purpose?


>
> Why don't you attempt to pick on my documents that confirm gross
> misconduct on the part of NASA management? They are posted for you to
> look at.
>

You posted no documents that confirm gross misconduct on the part of NASA
management.

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Danny Deger" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> Have you looked at my transcript yet?
>

I don't recall.


>
> I am waiting for you to post yours.
>

Why would I post my transcript?

[Jim Logajan]

(Derek Lyons) wrote:
> He didn't say "nothing can be told" he said "nothing can be told about
> your ability to teach".

This is all so pointlessly confrontational and typical Usenet arguing
wherein rigor is applied when it serves a personal end and tossed aside
when it doesn't. You know that rigorous logic says that nothing can be
foretold about the sun rising tomorrow from the fact that the sun rose this
morning. But so what? Humans have been applying heuristic rules for ages to
try to predict the future - and still are.

So somebody who gets great grades is a reasonable heuristic for predicting
their success at teaching. Of course it's not perfect - but it sure beats
hiring dopes to teach who flunked all their courses.

As it stands, you and Morgans are fundamentally claiming that the following
three numbers are identical:

A) The grade point average of students taught by instructors who passed
their own courses with very high grade point averages.

B) The grade point average of students taught by instructors who passed
their own courses with average grade point averages.

C) The grade point average of students taught by instructors who passed
their own courses with zero grade point averages.

Anyone care to put real money behind their silly Usenet bravado and
needless confrontational style of "debate"? If so I'm willing to bet money
the above three numbers will be very different.

[Danny Deger]

On Jul 21, 11:14 pm, "Steven P. McNicoll" >
wrote:
> "Danny Deger" > wrote in message
>
> ps.com...
>
>
>
> > And the best you can do is pick on my spelling and my typos? You can
> > do better than that.
>
> For what purpose?
>
>
>
> > Why don't you attempt to pick on my documents that confirm gross
> > misconduct on the part of NASA management? They are posted for you to
> > look at.
>
> You posted no documents that confirm gross misconduct on the part of NASA
> management.

Here is the one proving NASA (Jackie Reese) lied to my doctors to have
me locked up
http://dannydeger.net/Documents/Reese%20Lying%20to%20Doctors.pdf

Here is the documenting my actual behavior in this time period.
http://dannydeger.net/Documents/Jeff%20Bertsch's%20Comments%20on%20Danny%20Deger.h tm

Here is the one documenting NASA acted with a local judge to have my
due process denied.
http://dannydeger.net/Documents/Reese%20Change%20of%20Venue.pdf

Here is the one proving Vanessa Bowen, a Human Resources
Representative, presented herself as a medical professional to my
doctor
http://dannydeger.net/Documents/Stone%20Bowen.pdf

Hope this helps. Is this enough, or do you need more? I have
complete sets of these documents.

Danny Deger

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Danny Deger" > wrote
>
> I did read the post, and I stand by the statement it is ridiculous to
> state a single thing about teaching ability can not be gleaned from a
> transcript. Intelligence and education are necessary to be a teacher
> and those traits show up on a transcript.

Do some research.

Some of the most intelligent people in the world have NO ability to teach.
None.

Seems that everything is so natural to them, they can not understand why
their students don't understand what is being shown to them.

This is FACT.

I'm done here. Amuse yourself as you see fit.
--
Jim in NC

[Danny Deger]

On Jul 21, 11:28 pm, Jim Logajan > wrote:
> (Derek Lyons) wrote:
> > He didn't say "nothing can be told" he said "nothing can be told about
> > your ability to teach".
>
> This is all so pointlessly confrontational and typical Usenet arguing
> wherein rigor is applied when it serves a personal end and tossed aside
> when it doesn't. You know that rigorous logic says that nothing can be
> foretold about the sun rising tomorrow from the fact that the sun rose this
> morning. But so what? Humans have been applying heuristic rules for ages to
> try to predict the future - and still are.
>
> So somebody who gets great grades is a reasonable heuristic for predicting
> their success at teaching. Of course it's not perfect - but it sure beats
> hiring dopes to teach who flunked all their courses.
>
> As it stands, you and Morgans are fundamentally claiming that the following
> three numbers are identical:
>
> A) The grade point average of students taught by instructors who passed
> their own courses with very high grade point averages.
>
> B) The grade point average of students taught by instructors who passed
> their own courses with average grade point averages.
>
> C) The grade point average of students taught by instructors who passed
> their own courses with zero grade point averages.
>
> Anyone care to put real money behind their silly Usenet bravado and
> needless confrontational style of "debate"? If so I'm willing to bet money
> the above three numbers will be very different.

Thank you, I agree. This arguing about grade point averages and
ability to teach is simply thread divergence from the topic on hand.
Does my documentation support my allegations of NASA management
misconduct?

Danny Deger
www.dannydeger.net

[Danny Deger]

On Jul 21, 11:40 pm, "Morgans" > wrote:
> "Danny Deger" > wrote
>
>
>
> > I did read the post, and I stand by the statement it is ridiculous to
> > state a single thing about teaching ability can not be gleaned from a
> > transcript. Intelligence and education are necessary to be a teacher
> > and those traits show up on a transcript.
>
> Do some research.
>
> Some of the most intelligent people in the world have NO ability to teach.
> None.
>
> Seems that everything is so natural to them, they can not understand why
> their students don't understand what is being shown to them.
>
> This is FACT.
>
> I'm done here. Amuse yourself as you see fit.
> --
> Jim in NC

I agree. Talking about grade point averages and ability to teach gets
away from the topic of this thread. We can all agree some very smart
teachers are lousy instructors, but we can also agree you need some
intelligence and some education to teach a technical subject.

Danny Deger

[Jim Logajan]

Danny Deger > wrote:
> Does my documentation support my allegations of NASA management
> misconduct?

I don't know as I haven't read through it all. You also have to realize
that to do a proper judgement I'd have to see what material the other
parties present to support their sides. But even if I did read it all and
agreed with you, I'm not sure what that would accomplish.

I'm just someone who reads rec.aviation.piloting because I have an interest
in the subject (side note: I do not normally read any of the other groups
this is being crossposted to.) Reading through your material sounds like a
lot of work - more than I care to do I'm afraid. As I get older I've
learned that it isn't possible to join in every cause.

I will say that the documentation you've provided supports the contention
that you are obviously very bright and technically astute. Sorry you've had
such a tough run of it.

[Danny Deger]

On Jul 22, 12:05 am, Jim Logajan > wrote:
> Danny Deger > wrote:
> > Does my documentation support my allegations of NASA management
> > misconduct?
>
> I don't know as I haven't read through it all. You also have to realize
> that to do a proper judgement I'd have to see what material the other
> parties present to support their sides. But even if I did read it all and
> agreed with you, I'm not sure what that would accomplish.
>
> I'm just someone who reads rec.aviation.piloting because I have an interest
> in the subject (side note: I do not normally read any of the other groups
> this is being crossposted to.) Reading through your material sounds like a
> lot of work - more than I care to do I'm afraid. As I get older I've
> learned that it isn't possible to join in every cause.
>
> I will say that the documentation you've provided supports the contention
> that you are obviously very bright and technically astute. Sorry you've had
> such a tough run of it.

If you like to read good flying stories, download and read my book --
or at least the first half of it. I did my best to make it read like
a techno-thriller about modern fighter combat. I also have good
stories about flying light aircraft.

Thanks for taking the time to post a message.

Danny Deger
www.dannydeger.net

[Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)]

"Danny Deger" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> On Jul 21, 7:24 pm, Jim Logajan > wrote:
>> "Danny Deger" > wrote:
>> > P.S. You can find a copy of my transcripts at
>> >http://www.dannydeger.net/Documents/Transcripts.pdf
>>
>> I can see how taking "History of Witchcraft" would come in handy for
>> engineering work. :-)
>
> It really was a good class. Great instructor. I learned the correct
> answer to this question, "How many accused witches were burned at the
> Salem witch trails?" Anybody know how many?

Yes. Geesh, you took a class to learn it was zero?

And why did Giles Corey allow himself to be pressed to death rather than
hanged? Did they teach you that?


>
> Danny Deger
>

--
Greg Moore
SQL Server DBA Consulting Remote and Onsite available!
Email: sql (at) greenms.com http://www.greenms.com/sqlserver.html

[Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)]

"Derek Lyons" > wrote in message
...
> wrote:
>
>>On Jul 21, 6:29 pm, B A R R Y > wrote:
>>> I don't know why some feel the need to pick on spelling and grammar.
>>>
>>
>>I take this as a sign my story, complete with documentation is
>>strong. They can't pick on the story, so they pick on the typos and
>>such.
>
> ROTFLMAO.

Don't worry Derek, I'm sure all the lurkers support him. :-)


Seriously, Danny, I have not read your book. When I get a chance I may.
However, the problem is, based on your other comments here, I, like others
have already formed opinions in regards to you and your credibility.
Whether your book can chance that remains to be seen.

As for nitpicking the spelling, some of it is certainly in good humor.
Especially my comment about you wanting to be given a brake (sic). There's
a general rule on usenet that as soon as you critique someone's spelling or
grammar a similar mistake will be found in your own post. I think you've
created a corrallary of that rule that as soon as you try to defend a
spelling or grammar mistake of your own, you'll make another.

Also, whether you like it or not, there is nothing you can post that proves
your story. For the completely cynical, all the documentation you're
posting could be made up. That's the worse case scenario in a sense. I'm
not accusing you of that, but simply pointing out that your documentation
can't by itself prove anything since it can't be independently corrobarated.
It can only suggest and imply.

Again, I repeat my suggestion, if you really truly believe you have a case,
get an investigative writer to help you and to do some of their own
research.

In addition, unfortunately for your case, the excerpts you've posted
previously do seem to indicate a "I TOLD THEM and no one listened." (and
no, I'm not referring to the meetings and lock you're referring to.) Which
may be completely true, or may be your intepretation of events.

Hell, I have an ex-employee that I'm sure believes that I think he's
incompetent and didn't appreciate his work. The reality, I think he was
capable of great work and did appreciate much of his effort. But his
approach wasn't mind and he never could fully understand why we butted
heads. So, the reality is, the 'truth' is probably somewhere between what
he thinks and what I think. So it the case in your story.




> --
> Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh.
>
> -Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings.
> Oct 5th, 2004 JDL

[[email protected]]

Wow, Greg. For a person who typically does a decent job with post
structure, there were enough glaring mistakes in your reply to make me
wonder whether you did it intentionally. Ha!

chance = change
corrallary = corollary
corrobarated = corroborated
worse = worst
intepretation = interpretation
mind = mine


~ CT


>From Greg Moore:
> "Derek Lyons" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > wrote:
>
> >>On Jul 21, 6:29 pm, B A R R Y > wrote:
> >>> I don't know why some feel the need to pick on spelling and grammar.
>
> >>I take this as a sign my story, complete with documentation is
> >>strong. They can't pick on the story, so they pick on the typos and
> >>such.
>
> > ROTFLMAO.
>
> Don't worry Derek, I'm sure all the lurkers support him. :-)
>
> Seriously, Danny, I have not read your book. When I get a chance I may.
> However, the problem is, based on your other comments here, I, like others
> have already formed opinions in regards to you and your credibility.
> Whether your book can chance that remains to be seen.
>
> As for nitpicking the spelling, some of it is certainly in good humor.
> Especially my comment about you wanting to be given a brake (sic). There's
> a general rule on usenet that as soon as you critique someone's spelling or
> grammar a similar mistake will be found in your own post. I think you've
> created a corrallary of that rule that as soon as you try to defend a
> spelling or grammar mistake of your own, you'll make another.
>
> Also, whether you like it or not, there is nothing you can post that proves
> your story. For the completely cynical, all the documentation you're
> posting could be made up. That's the worse case scenario in a sense. I'm
> not accusing you of that, but simply pointing out that your documentation
> can't by itself prove anything since it can't be independently corrobarated.
> It can only suggest and imply.
>
> Again, I repeat my suggestion, if you really truly believe you have a case,
> get an investigative writer to help you and to do some of their own
> research.
>
> In addition, unfortunately for your case, the excerpts you've posted
> previously do seem to indicate a "I TOLD THEM and no one listened." (and
> no, I'm not referring to the meetings and lock you're referring to.) Which
> may be completely true, or may be your intepretation of events.
>
> Hell, I have an ex-employee that I'm sure believes that I think he's
> incompetent and didn't appreciate his work. The reality, I think he was
> capable of great work and did appreciate much of his effort. But his
> approach wasn't mind and he never could fully understand why we butted
> heads. So, the reality is, the 'truth' is probably somewhere between what
> he thinks and what I think. So it the case in your story.
>
> > --
> > Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh.
>
> > -Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings.
> > Oct 5th, 2004 JDL

[Danny Deger]

On Jul 22, 8:38 am, "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)"
> wrote:
> "Danny Deger" > wrote in message
>
> oups.com...
>
> > On Jul 21, 7:24 pm, Jim Logajan > wrote:
> >> "Danny Deger" > wrote:
> >> > P.S. You can find a copy of my transcripts at
> >> >http://www.dannydeger.net/Documents/Transcripts.pdf
>
> >> I can see how taking "History of Witchcraft" would come in handy for
> >> engineering work. :-)
>
> > It really was a good class. Great instructor. I learned the correct
> > answer to this question, "How many accused witches were burned at the
> > Salem witch trails?" Anybody know how many?
>
> Yes. Geesh, you took a class to learn it was zero?
>

Congratulations, you win the prize!!!

Danny Deger

[[email protected]]

>From Danny Dot:
> On Jul 21, 7:20 pm, wrote:
>
> > >From Danny Dot:
> > > On Jul 21, 6:29 pm, B A R R Y > wrote:
>
> > > > I don't know why some feel the need to pick on spelling and grammar.
>
> > > I take this as a sign my story, complete with documentation is
> > > strong. They can't pick on the story, so they pick on the typos and
> > > such.
>
> > My very first response gave specific feedback about failure to take
> > accountability for personal decisions. There was a lot that I held
> > back on (including spelling and grammar feedback), hoping that one
> > clear cut example would serve as a touchstone for not only the rest of
> > the paper, but your very attitude toward life.
>
> Last I checked, it was NASA officials that lied to the local officials
> to have me locked up. Please explain how I am accountable for them
> lying? Are you saying I decided to have them lie?
>
> Take a stab at them working with a local judge to deny me my due
> process for a hearing or an attorney. I missed the part where you
> explained my part in this was. Please refresh my memory.
>
> Don't forget the recent abuse of NASA sick leave policy I have
> provided documentation of. Please explain how I am accountable for
> that.

Here's a direct quote from your text: "I made it a point to insult
management at every opportunity I could. I knew this put me at risk."

You declared war against the enemy you perceived, and now you are
crying because they crushed you. My feedback to you was a plug to
strive to recognize that which is beyond your control and to do your
best to avoid those obstacles. I told you specific options you had
available in following your flight lead on a base turn. Weeks before
that I told you options available for energy management in landing the
shuttle. In dealing with office problems at NASA, you had options
there too. One excellent option that many people do in situations
like your is to transfer to a different work group.

You chose to fight the storm, and appear surprised to find that NASA
is stronger than you. I am not addressing the right or wrong of your
situation. Justice is a human concept. It relies on humans to uphold
it. If those in authority and power do not share your perspective on
justice, then there can be no expectation for it to be upheld. Your
efforts toward justice will be wasted.

I won't say that it was wrong of your flight lead to fly an aggressive
final turn. Good pilots can get away with that. I won't say that it
was wrong of you to follow your lead through that turn. A good
wingman can get away with that too. My suggestion to you was to
rethink your view that your flight lead was wrong. That your flight
lead tried to kill you. And that you had no had no responsibility for
your near-death experience.

Ditto for everything that happened at NASA. Perhaps the saddest part
of your story is that with a different attitude, NASA might have been
happy to have taken you into their astronaut corps.


~ CT

[Danny Deger]

On Jul 22, 8:50 am, "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)"
> wrote:
snip
> As for nitpicking the spelling, some of it is certainly in good humor.
> Especially my comment about you wanting to be given a brake (sic). There's
> a general rule on usenet that as soon as you critique someone's spelling or
> grammar a similar mistake will be found in your own post. I think you've
> created a corrallary of that rule that as soon as you try to defend a
> spelling or grammar mistake of your own, you'll make another.
>

Yes, I did find my "Give me a break" post ironic.
snip

> Hell, I have an ex-employee that I'm sure believes that I think he's
> incompetent and didn't appreciate his work. The reality, I think he was
> capable of great work and did appreciate much of his effort. But his
> approach wasn't mind and he never could fully understand why we butted
> heads. So, the reality is, the 'truth' is probably somewhere between what
> he thinks and what I think. So it the case in your story.
>

Making a statement to local authorities I was "terrorizing all of NASA
by threatening to come to their home and injure them if they don't all
resign". Then being part of a local judge refusing to give me a
hearing is hardly in the same category you are talking about here.
There was no misunderstanding on my part. NASA officials performed
these acts and they left a document trail.

I do understand your concern that I might be in the middle of a big
misunderstanding and I thank you for not throwing insults in my
direction as you point this fact out. A great deal of what I write
about in my book could be in this category, but not the abuse of power
I describe above.

Danny Deger

[Bill Penrose]

On Jul 20, 7:34 pm, Brian Thorn > wrote:
> First, due to "space" being the medium "Unidentified Flying Objects"
> must transit from their home planet in order to attack (almost always
> sleepy or tipsy) people and probe their rectums on lonely country
> roads in the middle of the night,

Not true, eh? I say it is, and I've got the hemorrhoids to prove it.
Anyway, my microchip implant itches whenever I discuss the subject.

Having worked in the government myself for a little while, the thought
of govt people keeping a conspiracy secret for periods over, say, a
month, is entirely absurd. Civil service life is dominated by the kind
of lowbrow snottiness and vindictiveness that Danny documents so
thoroughly. Any tidbit that can be used in the internecine wars will
be used, no matter how important it might be to the nation as a
whole.

Dangerous Bill

[Derek Lyons]

Jim Logajan > wrote:

(Derek Lyons) wrote:
>> He didn't say "nothing can be told" he said "nothing can be told about
>> your ability to teach".
>
>This is all so pointlessly confrontational and typical Usenet arguing
>wherein rigor is applied when it serves a personal end and tossed aside
>when it doesn't.

ROTFL.

It's very amusing when you accuse me of that, and then turn around and
indulge in it yourself.

D.
--
Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh.

-Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings.
Oct 5th, 2004 JDL

[Danny Deger]

On Jul 22, 11:10 am, wrote:
snip

> Here's a direct quote from your text: "I made it a point to insult
> management at every opportunity I could. I knew this put me at risk."
>
> You declared war against the enemy you perceived, and now you are
> crying because they crushed you.

You understand the situation exactly. They did crush me but violated
many laws to do it. Lying to local officials and being part of
denying due process is not something a government agency should do. I
am now in the process of fighting back by exposing their gross
misconduct.

snip

> You chose to fight the storm, and appear surprised to find that NASA
> is stronger than you.

Surprise is not one of my emotions. Anger yes, surprise no. When I
was locked up in 1999, I knew I had declared open warfare with the
Johnson Space Center Director, George Abbey. Part of me was quite
impressed that he could silence me by having me locked up. I knew my
lockup was illegal, and I knew the local authorities would tend to
support Abbey over me. I was afraid I could not even trust the local
judges. I was right. Documentation now proves a local judge was
behaving improperly. No, I am not surprised NASA is stronger than
me. BUT I AM MAD AS HELL AND I AM NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE :-)

> I am not addressing the right or wrong of your
> situation. Justice is a human concept. It relies on humans to uphold
> it. If those in authority and power do not share your perspective on
> justice, then there can be no expectation for it to be upheld. Your
> efforts toward justice will be wasted.

You may be right. In fact you are probably right. My only hope for
justice is to get my story, complete with documentation, exposed in
the press. I have found that the people in power support the other
people in power.

>
> I won't say that it was wrong of your flight lead to fly an aggressive
> final turn. Good pilots can get away with that. I won't say that it
> was wrong of you to follow your lead through that turn. A good
> wingman can get away with that too. My suggestion to you was to
> rethink your view that your flight lead was wrong. That your flight
> lead tried to kill you.

Where in the heck did I say he wanted to kill me? Please don't put
words in my mouth. I only said he wanted to embarrass me by flying a
turn tighter than I could. He did not know, and I did not know the
consequences of flying into his jet wash. If I had known, I certainly
would not have. If he had known, he certainly would not have flown
such a tight turn that I had to follow.

But I thank you for not throwing random insults at me in your posts.
I enjoyed reading actually. You have good insight on the situation,

Danny Deger

[Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)]

> wrote in message
ups.com...
> Wow, Greg. For a person who typically does a decent job with post
> structure, there were enough glaring mistakes in your reply to make me
> wonder whether you did it intentionally. Ha!
>
> chance = change
> corrallary = corollary
> corrobarated = corroborated
> worse = worst
> intepretation = interpretation
> mind = mine
>

Wow, yeah that is bad. I guess it proves the rule. :-)


>
> ~ CT
>
>
>>From Greg Moore:
>> "Derek Lyons" > wrote in message
>>
>> ...
>>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >>On Jul 21, 6:29 pm, B A R R Y > wrote:
>> >>> I don't know why some feel the need to pick on spelling and grammar.
>>
>> >>I take this as a sign my story, complete with documentation is
>> >>strong. They can't pick on the story, so they pick on the typos and
>> >>such.
>>
>> > ROTFLMAO.
>>
>> Don't worry Derek, I'm sure all the lurkers support him. :-)
>>
>> Seriously, Danny, I have not read your book. When I get a chance I may.
>> However, the problem is, based on your other comments here, I, like
>> others
>> have already formed opinions in regards to you and your credibility.
>> Whether your book can chance that remains to be seen.
>>
>> As for nitpicking the spelling, some of it is certainly in good humor.
>> Especially my comment about you wanting to be given a brake (sic).
>> There's
>> a general rule on usenet that as soon as you critique someone's spelling
>> or
>> grammar a similar mistake will be found in your own post. I think you've
>> created a corrallary of that rule that as soon as you try to defend a
>> spelling or grammar mistake of your own, you'll make another.
>>
>> Also, whether you like it or not, there is nothing you can post that
>> proves
>> your story. For the completely cynical, all the documentation you're
>> posting could be made up. That's the worse case scenario in a sense.
>> I'm
>> not accusing you of that, but simply pointing out that your documentation
>> can't by itself prove anything since it can't be independently
>> corrobarated.
>> It can only suggest and imply.
>>
>> Again, I repeat my suggestion, if you really truly believe you have a
>> case,
>> get an investigative writer to help you and to do some of their own
>> research.
>>
>> In addition, unfortunately for your case, the excerpts you've posted
>> previously do seem to indicate a "I TOLD THEM and no one listened." (and
>> no, I'm not referring to the meetings and lock you're referring to.)
>> Which
>> may be completely true, or may be your intepretation of events.
>>
>> Hell, I have an ex-employee that I'm sure believes that I think he's
>> incompetent and didn't appreciate his work. The reality, I think he was
>> capable of great work and did appreciate much of his effort. But his
>> approach wasn't mind and he never could fully understand why we butted
>> heads. So, the reality is, the 'truth' is probably somewhere between
>> what
>> he thinks and what I think. So it the case in your story.
>>
>> > --
>> > Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh.
>>
>> > -Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings.
>> > Oct 5th, 2004 JDL
>
>

[Derek Lyons]

Danny Deger > wrote:
>> You posted no documents that confirm gross misconduct on the part of NASA
>> management.
>
>Here is the one proving NASA (Jackie Reese) lied to my doctors to have
>me locked up
>http://dannydeger.net/Documents/Reese%20Lying%20to%20Doctors.pdf

No, that is your _claim_ that she lied. It is however very
interesting documentation of your bullying her.

>Here is the documenting my actual behavior in this time period.
>http://dannydeger.net/Documents/Jeff%20Bertsch's%20Comments%20on%20Danny%20Deger.h tm

If I accept is as gospel truth (as you wish me to) it doesn't place
you in a very positive light. Uncontrolled outbursts? Ongoing
displays of anger?

It's all in there.

>Here is the one documenting NASA acted with a local judge to have my
>due process denied.
>http://dannydeger.net/Documents/Reese%20Change%20of%20Venue.pdf

It's fascinating that the same spelling errors you make such light of
here on Usenet occur right in the opening of this legal document. I
smell a pattern.

At any rate - you seem to have failed to note that (as I interpret the
document) the facility you were being treated at is _in_ Galveston
County.

>Here is the one proving Vanessa Bowen, a Human Resources
>Representative, presented herself as a medical professional to my
>doctor
>http://dannydeger.net/Documents/Stone%20Bowen.pdf

I see no evidence whatsoever that she claimed to be a medical
professional.

D.
--
Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh.

-Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings.
Oct 5th, 2004 JDL

[Danny Deger]

On Jul 22, 12:03 pm, (Derek Lyons) wrote:
> Danny Deger > wrote:
> >> You posted no documents that confirm gross misconduct on the part of NASA
> >> management.
>
> >Here is the one proving NASA (Jackie Reese) lied to my doctors to have
> >me locked up
> >http://dannydeger.net/Documents/Reese%20Lying%20to%20Doctors.pdf
>
> No, that is your _claim_ that she lied. It is however very
> interesting documentation of your bullying her.

The claim of a lie is proven by the there being no mention of making
homicidal threats in the documentation generated by my management.
The two documents go hand in hand to prove the lie to local officials.
>
> >Here is the documenting my actual behavior in this time period.
> >http://dannydeger.net/Documents/Jeff%20Bertsch's%20Comments%20on%20Da...
>
> If I accept is as gospel truth (as you wish me to) it doesn't place
> you in a very positive light. Uncontrolled outbursts? Ongoing
> displays of anger?

I will plea guilty to being angry and showing it. But where is the
statements I had made threats to come to people's home and injure them
if they don't resign. This document is obviously a very detailed
account of my actions the summer of 1999, If I did make homicidal
threats to my coworkers, as claimed by Jackie Reese in the first
document, these threats would be documented here.

>
> It's all in there.
>
> >Here is the one documenting NASA acted with a local judge to have my
> >due process denied.
> >http://dannydeger.net/Documents/Reese%20Change%20of%20Venue.pdf
>
> It's fascinating that the same spelling errors you make such light of
> here on Usenet occur right in the opening of this legal document. I
> smell a pattern.

You smell a pattern that I am a bad typist? I plead guilty of that
charge.
>
> At any rate - you seem to have failed to note that (as I interpret the
> document) the facility you were being treated at is _in_ Galveston
> County.
>
> >Here is the one proving Vanessa Bowen, a Human Resources
> >Representative, presented herself as a medical professional to my
> >doctor
> >http://dannydeger.net/Documents/Stone%20Bowen.pdf
>
> I see no evidence whatsoever that she claimed to be a medical
> professional.

It is the opening statement that Ms. Bowen claimed to be part of EAP,
the Employee Assistance Program.

But I do thank for keeping the thread on track. Just one small
divergence to my poor typing skills. Not bad overall.

Danny Deger

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Danny Deger" > wrote

BUT I AM MAD AS HELL AND I AM NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE :-)

Ha Ha HA - you can't do a damn thing about it! :-)))
--
Jim in NC

[[email protected]]

>From Danny Dot:
> On Jul 22, 11:10 am, wrote:
> snip
>
> > Here's a direct quote from your text: "I made it a point to insult
> > management at every opportunity I could. I knew this put me at risk."
>
> > You declared war against the enemy you perceived, and now you are
> > crying because they crushed you.
>
> You understand the situation exactly. They did crush me but violated
> many laws to do it. Lying to local officials and being part of
> denying due process is not something a government agency should do. I
> am now in the process of fighting back by exposing their gross
> misconduct.
>
> snip
>
> > You chose to fight the storm, and appear surprised to find that NASA
> > is stronger than you.
>
> Surprise is not one of my emotions. Anger yes, surprise no. When I
> was locked up in 1999, I knew I had declared open warfare with the
> Johnson Space Center Director, George Abbey. Part of me was quite
> impressed that he could silence me by having me locked up. I knew my
> lockup was illegal, and I knew the local authorities would tend to
> support Abbey over me. I was afraid I could not even trust the local
> judges. I was right. Documentation now proves a local judge was
> behaving improperly. No, I am not surprised NASA is stronger than
> me. BUT I AM MAD AS HELL AND I AM NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE :-)
>
> > I am not addressing the right or wrong of your
> > situation. Justice is a human concept. It relies on humans to uphold
> > it. If those in authority and power do not share your perspective on
> > justice, then there can be no expectation for it to be upheld. Your
> > efforts toward justice will be wasted.
>
> You may be right. In fact you are probably right. My only hope for
> justice is to get my story, complete with documentation, exposed in
> the press. I have found that the people in power support the other
> people in power.
>
>
>
> > I won't say that it was wrong of your flight lead to fly an aggressive
> > final turn. Good pilots can get away with that. I won't say that it
> > was wrong of you to follow your lead through that turn. A good
> > wingman can get away with that too. My suggestion to you was to
> > rethink your view that your flight lead was wrong. That your flight
> > lead tried to kill you.
>
> Where in the heck did I say he wanted to kill me? Please don't put
> words in my mouth. I only said he wanted to embarrass me by flying a
> turn tighter than I could. He did not know, and I did not know the
> consequences of flying into his jet wash. If I had known, I certainly
> would not have. If he had known, he certainly would not have flown
> such a tight turn that I had to follow.
>
> But I thank you for not throwing random insults at me in your posts.
> I enjoyed reading actually. You have good insight on the situation,

My bad about that part of your final turn story. I remember reading
somewhere in your story about someone trying to kill you and I must
have gotten that crossed.

I jumped in on this thread in hopes that I could add something that
helps. I'm sure that there are lots of people who are faced with
problems of this type. Not much fun.


~ CT

[Danny Deger]

On Jul 22, 11:47 am, Danny Deger > wrote:
> On Jul 22, 11:10 am, wrote:
> snip
>
> > I won't say that it was wrong of your flight lead to fly an aggressive
> > final turn. Good pilots can get away with that. I won't say that it
> > was wrong of you to follow your lead through that turn. A good
> > wingman can get away with that too. My suggestion to you was to
> > rethink your view that your flight lead was wrong. That your flight
> > lead tried to kill you.
>
> Where in the heck did I say he wanted to kill me? Please don't put
> words in my mouth. I only said he wanted to embarrass me by flying a
> turn tighter than I could. He did not know, and I did not know the
> consequences of flying into his jet wash. If I had known, I certainly
> would not have. If he had known, he certainly would not have flown
> such a tight turn that I had to follow.

Here is the section of my book in question. I clearly say I think
lead may have been trying to embarass me. There is no mention of him
attempting to kill me.

The normal way to land is what is called the overhead break. The
number 2 plane is put on the side opposite of the break and the
formation flies down the runway at about 1,500 feet altitude. As the
formation passes over the runway lead breaks and number 2 stays level
for a few seconds. After the delay, number 2 breaks.
One of the rules was number 2 can not fly a pattern further from the
runway than lead. One day this almost killed me. Lead did a very
aggressive break. By this I mean he makes a small/tight turn. I
followed. If you are too close to the runway, you can't make the
turn and you overshoot. I knew I was closer than I ever had been in
my life, and I was going to have to make a maximum performance turn to
final. At the proper time, I started a turn at the optimum Angle Of
Attack, AOA. The F-4 had an audio feed back on AOA and had a nice
solid tone in the head set when on the optimum AOA. I was inside
lead's turn to start off with, so I am out of his wake turbulence.
But, I must go right into the center of his wake turbulence to line up
on the runway. Wake turbulence is like small horizontal tornadoes
that can cause huge roll rates if you get into one. Normally, a
fighter can fly into another fighter's wake turbulence without any big
problems. But lead was doing a more aggressive turn than usual which
made his wake stronger. Then I was at a higher than normal angle of
attack with decreased my aileron effectiveness. The end result was
when I hit his wake turbulence, I rolled instantly about 120 degrees
to the left. I knew I was in big trouble. Fortunately my training
and instincts kicked in. At a high angle of attack, the F-4 does not
roll well. I needed to get the AOA down. To do this I pushed the
stick full forward until it hit its stop. At the same time I gave the
plane full right rudder. About the time my controls become effective,
I left my lead's wake turbulence and rolled quickly back to the
right. I overshot the roll a lot and ended up in about 90 degrees of
roll to the right. The AOA was down by now, so the ailerons start to
work. With left aileron and left rudder I brought the plane back to
level flight and actually made a good landing without having to go
around. The roll excursions lasted a second or two at the most and I
was still on glide slope and on the centerline of the runway. My WSO
told me after landing he was reaching for the ejection handle as I was
fighting for control. Before he could pull the handle, I had the
plane back under control. I am glad he didn't have time. At our
altitude and roll angles, we probably would not have had time for the
chutes could open before we hit the ground.
What was strange for me at the time was the lack of interest in what
happened. We were well trained to avoid the wake of heavy airplanes,
but the general thought was the wake turbulence of another F-4 was not
dangerous. I asked that the Tactical Air Command safety organization
be brought in to get the word out that if the pattern is flown too
aggressively, lead's wake turbulence could be deadly. My request was
denied. I requested the topic be brought up at the next wing safety
briefing. Again my request was denied. I didn't at the time
understand why loosing control in the traffic pattern would not be of
interest to the F-4 safety community. Now I think I know why. Leads
are not supposed to fly such a tight pattern. He was very likely
attempting to embarrass me by flying a pattern tighter than he thought
I could. Even if his overly aggressive pattern was not meant to
embarrass me, he was at fault for the near miss. It wasn't my
favorite lead, John "Lips" Fraley, but it was a respected flight lead
of the squadron. If you are part of the in crowd, you can screw up
and not be called on the mistake. If you are not in the in crowd,
every tiny issue is blown out of proportion and used to further damage
your reputation. Being in a fighter squadron was just like being back
in junior high.

Danny Deger

[Danny Deger]

On Jul 22, 1:27 pm, wrote:
> >From Danny Dot:
> > On Jul 22, 11:10 am, wrote:
> > snip
>
> > > Here's a direct quote from your text: "I made it a point to insult
> > > management at every opportunity I could. I knew this put me at risk."
>
> > > You declared war against the enemy you perceived, and now you are
> > > crying because they crushed you.
>
> > You understand the situation exactly. They did crush me but violated
> > many laws to do it. Lying to local officials and being part of
> > denying due process is not something a government agency should do. I
> > am now in the process of fighting back by exposing their gross
> > misconduct.
>
> > snip
>
> > > You chose to fight the storm, and appear surprised to find that NASA
> > > is stronger than you.
>
> > Surprise is not one of my emotions. Anger yes, surprise no. When I
> > was locked up in 1999, I knew I had declared open warfare with the
> > Johnson Space Center Director, George Abbey. Part of me was quite
> > impressed that he could silence me by having me locked up. I knew my
> > lockup was illegal, and I knew the local authorities would tend to
> > support Abbey over me. I was afraid I could not even trust the local
> > judges. I was right. Documentation now proves a local judge was
> > behaving improperly. No, I am not surprised NASA is stronger than
> > me. BUT I AM MAD AS HELL AND I AM NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE :-)
>
> > > I am not addressing the right or wrong of your
> > > situation. Justice is a human concept. It relies on humans to uphold
> > > it. If those in authority and power do not share your perspective on
> > > justice, then there can be no expectation for it to be upheld. Your
> > > efforts toward justice will be wasted.
>
> > You may be right. In fact you are probably right. My only hope for
> > justice is to get my story, complete with documentation, exposed in
> > the press. I have found that the people in power support the other
> > people in power.
>
> > > I won't say that it was wrong of your flight lead to fly an aggressive
> > > final turn. Good pilots can get away with that. I won't say that it
> > > was wrong of you to follow your lead through that turn. A good
> > > wingman can get away with that too. My suggestion to you was to
> > > rethink your view that your flight lead was wrong. That your flight
> > > lead tried to kill you.
>
> > Where in the heck did I say he wanted to kill me? Please don't put
> > words in my mouth. I only said he wanted to embarrass me by flying a
> > turn tighter than I could. He did not know, and I did not know the
> > consequences of flying into his jet wash. If I had known, I certainly
> > would not have. If he had known, he certainly would not have flown
> > such a tight turn that I had to follow.
>
> > But I thank you for not throwing random insults at me in your posts.
> > I enjoyed reading actually. You have good insight on the situation,
>
> My bad about that part of your final turn story. I remember reading
> somewhere in your story about someone trying to kill you and I must
> have gotten that crossed.
>

No one has ever tried to kill me. I never thought that and I never
said it in my book. Maybe you thought based on what has happened to
me my life is at risk :-) I don't think so. I think NASA draws the
line at lying to local officials and working with a judge to stop due
process under the law. I really would be surprise if NASA has a hit
squad :-)

> I jumped in on this thread in hopes that I could add something that
> helps. I'm sure that there are lots of people who are faced with
> problems of this type. Not much fun.

Thanks -- it is not much fun. And being bullied at work is very
common. It happens all the time. Europe is much further along than
the US in stopping it. Maybe if my story get out, something will
happen in this country.
>
> ~ CT

[Maxwell]

"B A R R Y" > wrote in message
...
>
> I don't know why some feel the need to pick on spelling and grammar.
>
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phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde
Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer inwaht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the
olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be in the rghit
pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a
porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by
istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Amzanig huh? yaeh and I awlyas thought
slpeling was ipmorantt!

[Jim Logajan]

"Maxwell" > wrote:
> "B A R R Y" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> I don't know why some feel the need to pick on spelling and grammar.
>>
> I cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdgnieg The
> phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde
> Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer inwaht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the
> olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be in the rghit
> pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a
> porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by
> istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Amzanig huh? yaeh and I awlyas thought
> slpeling was ipmorantt!

And yet spelling errors are often (it seems) immediately recognizd when
they are read, so there appears to be something more involved.

(So _was_ my spelling error immediately obvious?)

[Anopheles[_2_]]

"Jim Logajan" wrote:.
> "Maxwell" > wrote:
>> "B A R R Y" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> I don't know why some feel the need to pick on spelling and grammar.
>>>
>> I cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdgnieg The
>> phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde
>> Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer inwaht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the
>> olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be in the rghit
>> pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a
>> porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by
>> istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Amzanig huh? yaeh and I awlyas thought
>> slpeling was ipmorantt!
>
> And yet spelling errors are often (it seems) immediately recognizd when
> they are read, so there appears to be something more involved.
>
> (So _was_ my spelling error immediately obvious?)

Would all you posters taking Deger on please remove alt.fiction.original
from the header. We are being swamped by the feeding frenzy.

Thank you.

Anopheles

[Maxwell]

"Jim Logajan" > wrote in message
.. .

>
> (So _was_ my spelling error immediately obvious?)

I missed it, until I read again while looking for it.

I think we all just read and proof read too fast. Seems petty to me to bitch
about it. But we do have some world class nit pickers when it suits their
needs and adds their desired flavor of confusion to the thread.

[Danny Deger]

On Jul 22, 5:49 pm, "Maxwell" > wrote:
> "Jim Logajan" > wrote in message
>
> .. .
>
>
>
> > (So _was_ my spelling error immediately obvious?)
>
> I missed it, until I read again while looking for it.
>
> I think we all just read and proof read too fast. Seems petty to me to bitch
> about it. But we do have some world class nit pickers when it suits their
> needs and adds their desired flavor of confusion to the thread.

Well said. If you can't disagree with the facts -- attack a typing
error instead :-)

I really to like the feature at nasaspaceflight.com that lets me edit
my own posts.

Danny Deger

[Danny Deger]

On Jul 22, 5:32 pm, "Anopheles" > wrote:
> "Jim Logajan" wrote:.
> > "Maxwell" > wrote:
> >> "B A R R Y" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> >>> I don't know why some feel the need to pick on spelling and grammar.
>
> >> I cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdgnieg The
> >> phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde
> >> Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer inwaht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the
> >> olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be in the rghit
> >> pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a
> >> porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by
> >> istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Amzanig huh? yaeh and I awlyas thought
> >> slpeling was ipmorantt!
>
> > And yet spelling errors are often (it seems) immediately recognizd when
> > they are read, so there appears to be something more involved.
>
> > (So _was_ my spelling error immediately obvious?)
>
> Would all you posters taking Deger on please remove alt.fiction.original
> from the header. We are being swamped by the feeding frenzy.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Anopheles

My apologies for dragging alt.fiction.original into this flaming war.
I thought I was posting a simple announcement the draft of my book is
available for download. Do you know how to remove a group in Google
Groups? I hope at least one person in the group likes the book.

Danny Deger

[Danny Deger]

On Jul 22, 6:11 pm, Danny Deger > wrote:
> On Jul 22, 5:32 pm, "Anopheles" > wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Jim Logajan" wrote:.
> > > "Maxwell" > wrote:
> > >> "B A R R Y" > wrote in message
> > ...
>
> > >>> I don't know why some feel the need to pick on spelling and grammar.
>
> > >> I cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdgnieg The
> > >> phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde
> > >> Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer inwaht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the
> > >> olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be in the rghit
> > >> pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a
> > >> porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by
> > >> istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Amzanig huh? yaeh and I awlyas thought
> > >> slpeling was ipmorantt!
>
> > > And yet spelling errors are often (it seems) immediately recognizd when
> > > they are read, so there appears to be something more involved.
>
> > > (So _was_ my spelling error immediately obvious?)
>
> > Would all you posters taking Deger on please remove alt.fiction.original
> > from the header. We are being swamped by the feeding frenzy.
>
> > Thank you.
>
> > Anopheles
>
> My apologies for dragging alt.fiction.original into this flaming war.
> I thought I was posting a simple announcement the draft of my book is
> available for download. Do you know how to remove a group in Google
> Groups? I hope at least one person in the group likes the book.
>
> Danny Deger

[[email protected]]

>From Danny Dot:
> > > > My suggestion to you was to
> > > > rethink your view that your flight lead was wrong. That your flight
> > > > lead tried to kill you.
>
> > > Where in the heck did I say he wanted to kill me? Please don't put
> > > words in my mouth. I only said he wanted to embarrass me by flying a
> > > turn tighter than I could. He did not know, and I did not know the
> > > consequences of flying into his jet wash. If I had known, I certainly
> > > would not have. If he had known, he certainly would not have flown
> > > such a tight turn that I had to follow.
>
> > > But I thank you for not throwing random insults at me in your posts.
> > > I enjoyed reading actually. You have good insight on the situation,
>
> > My bad about that part of your final turn story. I remember reading
> > somewhere in your story about someone trying to kill you and I must
> > have gotten that crossed.
>
> No one has ever tried to kill me. I never thought that and I never
> said it in my book. Maybe you thought based on what has happened to
> me my life is at risk :-) I don't think so. I think NASA draws the
> line at lying to local officials and working with a judge to stop due
> process under the law. I really would be surprise if NASA has a hit
> squad :-)

"One day this almost killed me."
It must have been this statement that I mistook as your perception of
a willful act.

Once again, my mistake for taking the out-to-get-me message too far
here.

> > I jumped in on this thread in hopes that I could add something that
> > helps. I'm sure that there are lots of people who are faced with
> > problems of this type. Not much fun.
>
> Thanks -- it is not much fun. And being bullied at work is very
> common. It happens all the time. Europe is much further along than
> the US in stopping it. Maybe if my story get out, something will
> happen in this country.

It would certainly be great if people treat each other with respect in
the workplace. If you could write a book toward that end that didn't
express hostility, vindictiveness or pity then I would support that.

As it is, one possible effect of your book is that no one will want to
take a management position in fear of having to deal with situations
of this type.


~ CT

[Gig 601XL Builder]

>
> You mean you don't wear a tinfoil hat to keep the government mind
> control rays away from you?


I was going to get one but the one that had an STC for inflight use was God
awful expensive.

[El Maximo]

"Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net> wrote in message
...
> I was going to get one but the one that had an STC for inflight use was
> God awful expensive.

Only if you permanently attach it to your skull using screws or rivets.

I used velcro.

[Gig 601XL Builder]

El Maximo wrote:
> "Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net> wrote in message
> ...
>> I was going to get one but the one that had an STC for inflight use
>> was God awful expensive.
>
> Only if you permanently attach it to your skull using screws or
> rivets.
> I used velcro.

HA!, That's just what they want you to do.

[Jim Stewart]

Danny Deger wrote:
> "Steven P. McNicoll" > wrote in message
> link.net...
>>
>> "Danny Deger" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> Like I said. I am an engineer. Fortunetely I don't have to earn a
>>> living by remembering the difference between brake and break. If I
>>> did, I would starve to death :-)
>>>
>>
>> Are you able to earn a living as an engineer?
>
> I am starting a new career teaching pysics at a local college.

Strike three.

[Richard D. Latham]

"Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net> writes:

>>
>> You mean you don't wear a tinfoil hat to keep the government mind
>> control rays away from you?
>
>
> I was going to get one but the one that had an STC for inflight use was God
> awful expensive.
>
>

Cheap compared to the TSOed one, however :-)

--
#include <disclaimer.std> /* I don't speak for IBM ... */
/* Heck, I don't even speak for myself */
/* Don't believe me ? Ask my wife :-) */
Richard D. Latham

[Derek Lyons]

Danny Deger > wrote:

<snippage handwaving and evasion>

I can see it's pointless to discuss the issue with you. You aren't
actually interested in either discussion or feedback. Worse yet,
you've so convinced yourself that your version is correct - you can't
even see where the documents and your version diverge.

WWHG.

D.
--
Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh.

-Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings.
Oct 5th, 2004 JDL

[Danny Deger]

On Jul 24, 1:52 am, (Derek Lyons) wrote:
> Danny Deger > wrote:
>
> <snippage handwaving and evasion>
>
> I can see it's pointless to discuss the issue with you. You aren't
> actually interested in either discussion or feedback. Worse yet,
> you've so convinced yourself that your version is correct - you can't
> even see where the documents and your version diverge.
>

Good idea to just throw random insult at me if you can't discuss the
facts of the matter.

Danny Deger

[Derek Lyons]

Danny Deger > wrote:

>On Jul 24, 1:52 am, (Derek Lyons) wrote:
>> Danny Deger > wrote:
>>
>> <snippage handwaving and evasion>
>>
>> I can see it's pointless to discuss the issue with you. You aren't
>> actually interested in either discussion or feedback. Worse yet,
>> you've so convinced yourself that your version is correct - you can't
>> even see where the documents and your version diverge.
>>
>
>Good idea to just throw random insult at me if you can't discuss the
>facts of the matter.

I did attempt to discuss the facts Danny, however you refused to
acknowledge their existence. Nor was my comment an 'insult' or
'random' - it's a simple description of your replies to me when I
attempted to discuss the facts.

D.
--
Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh.

-Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings.
Oct 5th, 2004 JDL

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Steven P. McNicoll" > wrote

> I read some of your story. I concluded you were wacko.

HOLD THE PRESSES ! ! !

Steven and I agree completely on something.

There is nearly always an aggravating factor (personality, behavior) in a
strained employer/employee relationship. I can see one here.
--
Jim in NC